Guild Wars 2

Draco Aurum.7520:

Amen.2630:

ive beaten the clock tower and in the end i think it was frustrating and not worth any of my nerves and time, it was not fun and i hate my own pride which forced me to do it

I agree, the reward was craptastic and wasn’t worth the effort, now if the reward would have been the endless halloween tonic or one of the halloween weapons then I would have been happy about it.

The main reward is the satisfaction of actually completing it.

Would be nice. And make title’s show up more while they’re at it ^^

@ Myrdreth

You’re welcome The fact that the tower doesn’t kill you and give repair costs is pretty nice too. It took me about 5 hours to beat it and as a bonus the other puzzles seem a lot easier after all the tower practice!

@ Midi

Gratz!

^ Umm, human guardian?

The pies makes me think of a fat cleric :P

@ Esorono Nope! Norn ranger.

Coo! Quaggan means WhooOOOOooo!

Love that one! The pirate is also awesome.

Myrdreth.6829:

I will give up this year. But I really hope I can try that jumping puzzle next year! The clocktower is really awesome! My skill is just too bad and I have no patience and time this year.

I hope the clocktower will be there every halloween

Wish more people had your attitude dude Hope you get it next time! If you want to practice before next Halloween I recommend this one since it’s also timed and requires fast jumping:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Spekks%27_Laboratory

Best to do it naked though, I got quite a repair bill from that one when I did it :P

Please no. MMO’s are the PC gamer’s last refuge from the kitten awful console ports, I don’t want to see GW2 being mangled to suit the consoles. Not to mention the development time that would be wasted on it when they could be making new content.

Plus your “pro” about opening an entirely new community is actually a con. I absolutely do not want to play GW2 with the Xbox Live community thanks.

I feel very strongly against this idea, for multiple reasons.

They do tend to keep their seasonal mini games seasonal, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if a permanent game that’s at least similar turns up.

Done everything but the Black Lion Chests.

Elunarie.9283:

This is not life, this is a game. A game is fun. Meaning you don’t spend hours on it. This puzzle completely turns the GW2 philosophy upside down. Instead of you putting in a few hours and receiving the satisfaction of being able to still reach everything that the road runners can reach in 1 minute, now you must grind and pray to the 5 gods for your shiny title. This is WoW philosophy, not GW2.

A game is fun therefore you do spend hours on it, because it’s fun.

This clock tower is the exact opposite of WoW’s philosophy actually. Blizzard lower everything to the lowest denominator now.

The clock tower is not grinding, it’s skill based.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

It isn’t bad. It’s good. It’s almost perfect. But a lot of people are spoiled, and want every achievement handed to them on a silver plate. The fact that they’ll pay gold to get an achievement for something they were not-good-enough to complete says more about the character of a lot of players than about the challenge itself.

And be real for just a second, this is one of the most forgiving of all the platforming challenges. There are harder jumping puzzles in the game, and some of them will give you a lot of armor repairs and force you to climb back up after each attempt. The Clocktower has no armor repair costs and instantly teleports you back for a new try. That is as fair as it gets… and still people want to cheat their way to the achievement? Those people are sad and deserve pity. But don’t dumb down the challenge for those sad folks.

Indeed. I really don’t understand the purpose of paying someone to do an achievement for you. Where is the achievement in that? In that case all you have sitting in your achievement pane is a reminder that you cheated because you couldn’t do something.

Funset.7893:

It is a content I would never be able to do, cuz it is extremly frustrating for me and I dont have the nerves to do it. So yeah, I am a bit mad.

I can see how the puzzle could be frustrating, but why are you mad at Anet because you can’t do it?

If you think you’ll never able to do it why not just move on to a different Halloween activity?

Funset.7893:

I fully support the OP, most frustrating and dumb thing ive ever seen in my life. If they continue to pull a content kitteny as this so called jumping “puzzle”, i will simply quit this game. And I was thinking of buyin coins lol. No, not gona support Anet if they pull such frustrating crap. It is my own opinion tho, some may like spending several hours on this mindless stuff, but no thanks

Just don’t do it if you don’t like it! Why must optional content others really enjoy be removed because you don’t like it? No-one is forcing you to do it.

Elunarie.9283:

Make it too easy and the more seasoned players find it too easy, and therefore not fun. There’s plenty of accessible content (like the Mad King as you mentioned) for everyone else. Let the vets have their fun with some challenging content.

Then remove the achievement for it. Let the vets have fun with their chest that I honestly could care less about.

I couldn’t care less about the chest. I earned that achievement though. Removing achievements because it’s actually an achievement to get them is insane. If you can’t do it either practice more or accept the fact that you can’t do it and go do something else.

What is people’s obsession nowadays with demanding games be changed every time they can’t do something? You can’t do everything in the world perfectly, no-one can.

I probably can’t do a PhD in astrophysics, shall I go complain that the PhD letters should be removed because I can’t put them after my name?

After seeing the way the prices are going I’m very unhappy that I spent almost all of my money getting the recipe on the first day. Should have kept it and bought the item.

I think people should just grow up (referring to the abusive players, not the OP). There’s no need to change the game because some people can’t manage to do a jumping puzzle without verbally abusing other players.

If they get very offensive they should simply be banned for harrassment / verbal abuse.

Changing the game because some people can’t act in a civilised, mature way and show their fellow players some basic manners is wrong.

GiftoftheMagi.3470:

After 6+ hours of buggy cameras and overlapping character, yeah I had to put a stop to this. I know what the rewards are for making this, but any event…especially a JUMPING PUZZLE, that seems to average at least 6-14 hours to beat ONCE, really isn’t worth my time.

This is a challenging puzzle, and so be it. I would gladly put the work in to master it. However, making it part of a limited event AND making it a group event makes no sense. The only thing groups do as add to the difficulty and frustration, but not the fun. The camera is bad enough but workable IF I could just get the 5+ other people standing in the same spot to move and see where “I” am.

I have a job, a wife and a 6-month old. I want to take part in this, but I simply canot justify spending a third of a day…on a jumping puzzle. If it was a massive dungeon or major boss…or some kind of huge interactive event, then yes I could. A jumping puzzle simply is not worth it. Even if I was to beat it, at this point it would lead to me taking a long break from the game because instead of being entertaining, I am now bored and angry at it.

So yes, this is NOT fun. Maybe for you lucky few that can spend 12+ hours a day on it…but if you can, maybe you should think about WHY you can?

Getting a bit sick of this kind of thing. A job, a wife and a 6 month old are really quite irrelevant to the topic. And that “think about WHY you can spend 12+ hours a day on it”. is just rude and unnecessary. You can’t seriously claim that only only unemployed, single people are capable of finishing the puzzle. Those things have nothing to do with jumping ability.

And you don’t need to spend 12+ hours a day on it. I finished it after around 5 hours, split over 2 days.

If you think the jumping puzzle isn’t worth it then don’t do it.

Icecat.4528:

the point of complaining about it – its not a fun event, its just a grind and a bore. Don’t sit there and tell me you had fun carving 150 of these suckers.

I am looking for fun events, not boring mindless time sinks. GW2 was supposed to be above all that mindless drek.

Go do the scavenger hunts, or the event chains to open the doors, or the labyrinth events, or the 2 new pvp modes with unique maps, or the new dungeon, or the new jumping puzzle, or play costume brawl while the cauldron is there…

Pumpkin carving isn’t an event, it’s just an achievement for a title. That’s it. It doesn’t even count towards the Emissary of The Mad King title.

Grim.6415:

Is the reward just the achievement, and a title? Any items?

Pumpkins just give the Master Carver title.

Icecat.4528:

you want the achievement? Yes – you gotta carve em. I would hope for better events than grind 100 tort bags, grind 150 pumkins, etc

I finished all of those on the first day. If you want the achievement then do it, if you don’t want to do it then don’t. What’s the point of complaining about it?

There are plenty of other things to do if you don’t like carving pumpkins.

Don’t carve them then?

@ Fearys Why on Earth should they remove an achievement because not every one can do it? If everyone can do something then it isn’t an achievement to do it.

@ Juno “Would that diminish your experience in any way?” Yes, because I wouldn’t have been able to do it with my guild any more.

Me exploring the Mad King’s realm.

juno.1840:

I find it amazing that people defend the puzzle being a multi-player event. As if this lessens the puzzle if the other players are removed… it sounds very artificial to me.

This is a solo achievement, not a group achievement. It’s not a dungeon requiring multiple players working as a team to complete.

I did it in a group with a few guildies. It was fun and we were encouraging each other. 1 guy got the hang of it faster than the rest us, so we waited in the starting area cheering him on after we fell. Things don’t have to require others present to complete the task in order to be a multiplayer event.

juno.1840:

Serbaayuu.3051:

So what if you WANTED it? You have to earn it. It doesn’t matter to me or the game how much you want it. You don’t deserve it until you can win.

I agree with your statement, but throughout this post I talk about how MMOs do not support twitchy mechanics well — especially those dealing with player position in the world.

This puzzle is not achievable for some players based upon factors outside their control. With that in mind the event should not be an achievement – OR – the event should have been designed differently to begin with.

Example: If the clock tower was a stand-alone instance that ran completly on your PC without server side position calcualtions… wouldn’t that be sweet. Essentially a GW2 mini-game hosted by your client, and not the server.

Now latency and the internet are out of the picture. It’s just you and the puzzle. That would be bliss…

Online games don’t do that sort of thing because it’s easier to cheat with hacks if there’s no server communication.

Best in the game so far.

Gz! I did it in 1hr 30mins last night with my 47 mesmer & a friend on his 18 elementalist. It’s a lot more epic that way than with a full group of real 80’s ^^

Sentinel VX.1392:

Reihert.1509:

Except he gets to 80 when he zones in

Impressive regardless.

Your traits don’t get “scaled up”.

You also still miss out on utilities / elites.

juno.1840:

You can progress on HoM achievements incrementally. Some of the HoM achievements are very very time consuming (I know — I have all of them). But here’s the rub — you can still progress. With sufficient time and effort (and a few other things) you can surmount those challenges. Need 10000 drinks, well you can hit 500 on Monday, and shoot for another 500 on tuesday. It’s “achievable” — latency isn’t going to screw me out of my 10000 drinks.

This achievement is all-or-none and has dependence on factors outside your control (i.e. latency). That makes it a bad candidate for an achievement in my book. There are other jumping puzzles in the game which have achievement, but these are fundamentally different.

Most of the HoM achievements aren’t really achievements though. They aren’t difficult, they’re just hours and hours of grinding.

juno.1840:

Achievements should be something that are achievable by your complete player base (and yes some with significant effort).

Achievements should be…. an achievement. Finishing the clock tower is one of the biggest achievements in the game right now.

The clock tower has actually been one of my favourite things on GW2 so far, because it was hard. When I finished it my hands were sweaty and my heart was racing and the sense of accomplishment was great.

This has been the most difficult thing in the game for me so far and that’s why I love it.

It’s the best jumping puzzle in the game. Absolutely love it. One of my guildies was so happy when he finished it he refused to leave the top of the tower for about half an hour because he was basking in the fact that he’d done it!

I was talking about this with my guild on the weekend. We all agreed that Anet have put a huge amount effort into this Halloween and that it thoroughly beats any other MMO seasonal event we’ve seen.

We spent hours on the clock tower and loved it (we’re already wondering if Christmas will bring jumping from bauble to bauble on a giant rotating Christmas tree!), the scavenger hunt was a lot of fun – it’s nice to have to solve clues rather than have the locations handed to you.

One guy said the Lunatic Inquisition is the best pvp mode ever, he really loved it. The labyrinth map looks awesome. The haunted doors are cool. I love that the Mad King is trying to climb out of the statue every now and then.

The dungeon is really good too. We were happy to see that the Mad King had a few % phases and a numerous mechanics – this bodes well for future dungeon design! The dungeon itself looks great (love the space) and it was fun chasing him around it. The little bit of jumping puzzle in there was a nice extra.

I finished the dungeon on my 80 and then went back with a friend and we 2 manned it on our alts (lvl 47 mesmer & lvl 18 elementalist) just to see if we could. Took an hour and a half but that was a pretty epic fight.

The decorations everywhere look awesome.

I think my favourite bit has to be the clock tower. It was so satisfying to beat it.

All in all, I feel like you earned my gem store purchases, Anet. (2 costumes & the mini’s.) There’s so much more unique content than I was expecting.

I can’t wait to see what you do for Christmas!

Norn Ranger, no speed boosts.

Took me ages but it was really satisfying to finally finish it! Great job Anet, that was difficult but a lot of fun. Some guildies were doing it with me and we really enjoyed it. There was much celebrating when people managed to finish it!

Someone who’s able to play now (not at work etc) could quickly make a new alt and chuck in the town clothes then delete the alt?

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

They could also just have made Chainsaw the Skeleton a reward for completing enough Halloween achievements. That way everyone would get to enjoy one, regardless of how rich they are.

Oh yes! Make it be awarded along with the Emissary of the Mad King title. That I would like.

Thadren Calder.1397:

I’m curious as well. Anyone willing to try?

Not with a real money costume, no.

@Acidic Vision

I tend to look more at the realistic cost of things by default, but think I see your point about how other people might look at it now.

It must be quite tricky for them to estimate reactions to this kind of thing, some people (like me) will just look at the actual cost, some people might see it as throwing things away as you described and some people like to play with the forge.

Maybe it would have been better to make a Chainsaw recipe that uses candy corn and 500 gems worth of mystic stones? Or just straight in the store, I don’t know.

I just hope to see more in game boss drop / achievement pets as well as the store pets. I’m not used to buying them, I always refused to buy a thing from the Blizzard store because I was already paying a sub.

They’ve done a beautiful job on them (especially the ghost) but I just have a feeling that I haven’t earned the pets somehow. Which is silly of course since they cost money!

I would like to see this, simply as a safeguard against accidental deletion of items.

AcidicVision.5498:

If that mini was put up for sale individually from the pack as a “limited time GW2 inaugural Halloween event miniature”, and made gold or orange while dropping the pack minis rarity one level below it…it would have sold like hot-cakes and not been another blemish on the gem-shops record.

That’s basically what it is though, with an intermediary stage involving converting the second pack of the basic 3 into Chainsaw. Chainsaw is a gold already, the other 3 are greens.

You pay the same price for Chainsaw as for the 3 greens and people get to discover the recipe (some people enjoy trying to work out the fixed recipes).

The green trio costs 500 gems, the rare indivdual mini costs 500 gems and some candy corn.

I don’t understand how the current system is a gimmick to make money, but putting Chainsaw straight in the shop at 500 gems isn’t?

Hughs.6549:

The mystic forge and how arenanet uses it is the one to blame, MF is all about gambling or making players lose money.

In some cases yes, but not this minipet. You put in fixed ingredients and you’re 100% guaranteed to get the Chainsaw minipet.

You’re just paying 500 gems & some candy corn to get Chainsaw. There’s no RNG and no unexpected loss of money.

It’s at noon PDT. If they put it on earlier a lot of people in the US are probably going to complain about having to get up too early on the weekend. It’s already on at 7pm or later for European’s, if they make it a few hours later it starts getting too close to midnight for us.

Without meaning to be rude, outside the US most people aren’t at all interested in American football.

They can’t start scheduling international mmo events around sports matches in every country, that would just get ridiculous.

@ Dark Saviour

You can get the devil horns as soon as you log on, the scavenger hunt doesn’t take long and gives a unique backpack skin. So that’s 2 event specific permanent items in under an hour.

See it that you’re just paying the 500 gems to get Chainsaw, rather than destroying anything.

I would like to see more mini’s obtainable via in game event chains or something though. I love the ghost pet, it’s brilliant – but I do enjoy collecting them through in game activites more than by buying them.

I didn’t like buying other people’s birthday pets on GW1 as much as collecting them on WoW through achievements etc either.

Elodyn.9756:

I bought the witch´s outfit with my female asura. At the moment it is not possible to dress any of my other characters with that outfit. No matter if they are male or female. I hope this is just a bug, otherwise I won´t eber buy a special event outfit again.

That must be a bug. I’ve used mine on my female Norn and female Asura.

Just to check – you mean you can’t equip the pieces or are you looking for another costume item in their inventory? You only get the one set and you have to put it in the bank and then equip it on the other characters. You don’t get an item on every character like you do with for example, the Hall of Monuments stone.

I think it would be nice if they added a Hall of Monuments style way to generate costume copies. Like the festival hat guy on GW1.

I really hope this isn’t true, I loved Factions and I’m eagerly awaiting a GW2 Canthan expansion.

I found her incredibly annoying, especially that voice.

@ Fellyn, on that page, yes. But there have been others where they don’t give both times.

Also, there was huge confusion in map chat LA over the start of the entire event as well, since for quite a while they had that big banner saying it started on the 22nd October. Rummaging on Twitter while waiting for the event to start then revealed that it was only starting on 23rd October in the EU.

They need to be clearer on the dates as well, right from the initial advertising. There were a lot of very disappointed people waiting for the event.

fellyn.5083:

Kana.6793:

If they’re only giving the times in one format it should be GMT.

Except for Anet is an American company. Why would they display times for a country that they aren’t in?

Because Anet are a company that caters to a global customer base. We purchase and use a variety of services from American companies on a daily basis, they localise. They don’t give us prices in dollars and tell us to use a currency converter, and they give up times and dates relevant to us.

GMT is the universally recognised international timezone. Even the US military use GMT.

Mistress Elemental.3750:

Its is rather sickening to open so many chests (at least $50 worth of keys) to get nothing but things I have no use for or have too much of already.

I don’t have 25-50 gold to spend in the TP to get a single skin unlike the super players who don’t have jobs and spend hours running the dungeons.

Why didn’t you convert your $50 into gold and buy the skin from the TP?

And is it really necessary to bring people’s employment status into the conversation? It’s perfectly possible to have a job and have 25-50g by now.

And to answer the OP, no I don’t think the Halloween skins should stay in the chests after Halloween. And yes, the chainsaw is a Halloween themed item. If this were a Warhammer game it wouldn’t be. Since it’s Guild Wars, it is indeed a Halloween item.