Guild Wars 2

BabelFish.7234:

I don’t entirely agree but I do notice that your pug should consist of mostly lvl 80s and at least 1 guardian otherwise you’re asking for a auto-disaster.

I’m a guardian, and i approve of this statement

Barricade.3210:

Ever been to a dungeon where u play hard as ever to finish a dungeon efficiently just to see a random player who joined your party and simply press autoattack the rest of the fight? How I wish this game would make a meter to see dps, heals, etc. to measure workrate of players.

I do not agree with this at all. You can judge how players are doing based on whether or not they go down or not. If they are autoattacking. They are contributing. What if they have glass cannon build and they believe thier auto attacks are far more efficient than using thier abilities? using abilities does not mean an increase in DPS.

Take the sword 2 ability for guardian. Does 50 base damage at lv 80 for a 3/4 cast time, while the auto attack does about 450. Maybe this person feels s/he is being more effective by just autoattacking.

Instead of giving elite players another way to descriminate against casual players, why not just ask the person why he/she is autoattacking. Instead of adding a feature which will cause further descrimination.

seithan.4823:

very nice post OP, good job!

Thank you. I’ve put alot of time and effort into thinking of that build. And while it may not be the best, or even MY build, It is what has allowed me to play the game how I like it to be played. It fits my playstyle 100%.

And although i didnt say you need tanky, I did say we had 2 guardians and a warrior, i know my math is a little rusty, but thats 3 tanky/ bulky people…

truebluecm.4692:

The people who have posted about beating it say they have used at least 3 “tanky” individuals to “zerg” through. I just don’t consider it acceptable. The trinity is no longer supposed to exist yet people are suggesting you need at least 3 “tanky/bulky” individuals.
Zerging is just foul. Its failing repeatedly until the game just lets you pass. I should be able to beat a dungeon with NO Zerg elements.

^^^^ I 200% agree with this statement. Me and my guild personally like to take our time doing dungeons/ not zerging. Zerging should never be an option for completing. If you have to utilize your skills to keep the enemy at bay. THAT i can understand, and adds for an interesting element for gameplay. However, when it comes to the point that you have to rush past mobs in order to be victorious, thats when it becomes a no brainer easy win dungeon.

Yes gorge, but commiting suicide to get a quest completion should not be the answer.

Even path 2 CoF in the aptly named “room of sacrifice” our guild can do it no problem without leaving the room and “sacrificing” members.

Yep. I dont know what else to do, we have tried many different combinations. We need mesmer for time warp. That is an absolute neccessity. Its a DPS race. I mean, we could not afford to lose any of our party.

Without thief we would have no invis
Without mesmer we would have no time warp
without both guardians we wouldnt have enough CC to keep them AWAY. not slow down. The whole point is the keep them AWAY. OUT OF RANGE.
Without the warrior we would be lacking considerable DPS. So, the question remains, Are you going to fix this anet? Or are we going to have to create Specific LFM’s now?

I think the elitists just need to calm down, and take thier ridilin. They will probably incorporate harder dungeons/ dungeon modes soon enough. Just take a chill pill, the games only been out for 4 months and your already min/maxing it. Too much of a good thing becomes a bad thing soon enough.

Yeah, Add me in game if you ever want to do dungeons. I’m always up for any dungeon.

This is a Promoted Thread. Please keep all bashing and negative comments to yourself. Any questions/comments/concerns you can PM me. Keep trashtalking to a minimal. IF you have anything to add, or anything that would make it better, suggestions are always welcome.

Weapons/Stats Used
Runes and Armor Sets

Draconic Cleric Gear 6/6
Toughness/Power/Healing Power
Rune of the Water 6/6

Ascalonian Catacombs Gear 6/6
Vitality/Precision/Healing Power

• Rune of the monk 2/6
• Rune of the water 2/6
• Rune of Dwayna 2/6

Weapon Sets/ Sigils

• Staff (Of Superior Energy)
• Mace(Of Superior Energy)
• Shield(Of Superior Life)

Exotic Glyphic Mace

• Healing Power
• Vitality
• Precision

Exotic Ascalonian Shield

• Healing Power
• Precision
• Toughness

Exotic Ascalonian Staff

• Healing Power
• Precision
• Toughness

JEWLERY

Exotic Oricalchum Sapphire Ring of The shaman

• Toughness
• Power
• Healing Power
  Secondary Stats
• Vitality
• Healing Power
• Condition Damage

Ancient Karka Shell

• +25 Power
• +25 Precision
• +25 Toughness
• +25 Vitality
• +3% Critical Damage
• +25 Healing Power
• +25 Condition Damage
• +3% Magic Find

Oricalchum Sapphire Earrings of The Shaman

• Toughness
• Power
• Healing Power
  Secondary Stats
• Vitality
• Healing Power
• Condition Damage

[Back Piece]
Back Peice of the Magi w/ Crest of the Shaman

• Healing Power
• Precision
• Vitality
  Secondary Stats
• Vitality
• Condition Damage
• Healing Power

For my weapon sets, I use runes of superior energy on both sets of weapons because that is an additional heal every weapon swap. Every dodge roll is healing being done.

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You should read the SE Path 1.

Guide to doing SE Path 1

@OP. Please put this on your first page, so people know where to go on how to flawlessly beat the dungeon. Thanks.

UPDATED – 11-20-2012
The Legendary Defender
Traits 0/0/30/30/10
Race : Charr

The Legendary Defender is just that. A legendary defender, If you are a DPS fanatic, this build is not for you. Neither is it useless, nor is it boring. It’s a very active member of the group. Contributing to DPS / Survivability via Buffs, and Keeping everyone up and alive without much effort on their part.

My Gear Set-Up
Regeneration Formula This gives you the ratio for healing power to regeneration
Mace/Shield Vs. Mace/Focus
Trait Bonuses/Breakdown
Utility Skills
Sources of Damage/Heals/Mitigation
Boon Durations, How to effecively Increase W/o Spending 10+ Points in Virtues
30 Valor vs 30 Virtue
Elite Skills
Why Use A Staff?

THE REASON:
The reason i like this build is because it grants massive amounts of buffs, while at the same time provding an adequate damage source, by granting you and your team stacks of might as well as fury.

Zogyark.4597:

On the PUG group I was we just smashed him down as soon as we started the dungeon, ignoring the adds. We did die afterwards but then rezzed and ran to the gate for 2nd boss.

But how did you get past all the minion waves that followed you all the way to the second boss? Did you mass invis with mesmer? Did you go invisible with thief? The only way to lose aggro is to go invisible, So unless you were a whole team of norn with snow leopard form, i dont see how you all just made it past the adds. we went through at least 10-12 waves of adds getting to the second boss, all the while destroying the gates that prevent us from going any further.

I have to pull out my book for that part, because its just rediculous how much damage they do, and how much healing I have to do in order to keep the party up during this part of the dungeon.

And yes, we have thought out this part of the dungeon extremely well, we feel that any dungeon is do-able, but it has to be the right party make-up. Which really shouldnt be the case.

truebluecm.4692:

That is extremely impressive and well thought out!

I was under the impression(I can tell that you are too) that Dungeons should be doable by any group of individuals, as long as they can use teamwork. Your strategy is the epitome of said teamwork, but limited to those builds of those characters.

I love the dungeons so much. My guild works very well together, we all team constantly and run everything, and we cannot make it past the deluge of mobs on this particular path. I feel like something is being missed in the execution of this first part and I am just not seeing it.

You are absolutely correct. This was the only way we have been able to get through it without wiping the party. We have tried this dungeon time and time again to see if we can do it, and we’ve done it with several other group combinations. But more often than not, we have to have at least 1 guardian in order to hold the mobs back. There is just no other way of keeping the minions away.

You should be able to do any dungeon, any path, without a specific group makeup, and this is the only way our guild has managed to beat path 1 consecutively. We have to get on our alts to do the other paths, and then get on our mains for path 1. Its rediculous.

Reserved for Path 1: Boss 3

Reserved for Path 1 : Boss 2

SE Path 1
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I call the devs to judge this forum post AND the freakin dungeon, because it needs to be done and adressed on how many people bug path 1 in order to complete it.

Our guild. The Republic [SPQR] on Sanctum of Raal, Got together for what is considered the impossible dungeon.

Here was our group makeup.

+2 Guardians
-1 Guardian was PURE DPS specced, a Norn Guardian
-The other guardian, was me. A heal-specced guardian, found Here
+1 Warrior
-Toughness/power/Vitality build
+1 Thief
-Power/Precision/Crit damage
+1 mesmer
-Power/Precision/Crit damage

Boss #2 spawns constant mobs which comes through boss #1’s domain. Which makes boss #1 harder, because of the constant spawns that occur.

Here is how we beat Boss #1.
We waited until a minion wave came, and we killed it as fast as we could. Then we just got right on the boss and DPS’d him down. Sounds easy, right? No. The constant spawn of mobs/ Engineers that lob grenades make this boss fight extremely harder and more difficult, especially since the boss can pull your and do a AOE spin attack, on top of the grenadiers throwing grenades on you.

A : Kill the minion wave before the boss. There will be 3 total minion waves before you reach the boss, maybe 4 if your DPS is sub-par.

B: After the third minion wave, the entire group walks in and begins to wail on the boss after the mesmer throws down a time warp

C: Both guardians pull out staff and use empower might/throw swiftness on the ground. This grants the entire party 24 stacks of might, as well as some mediocre damage.

D: 1 guardian keeps his staff out and the other picks up his greatsword and begins wailing on the boss.

E: the 1 Staff guardian throws down a line of warding 900(F) away to prevent the mobs from coming into the boss right room. After which the 1 guardian will throw his Santuary at almost the same spot, about 800(f) away. Preventing enemies from passing for another 8 seconds, due to traits. The 1 guardian will then throw an empower before switching weapons.

F: The mesmser will throw his illusionary wall that cripples the minions, at about 700(f) so they run at a slower speed for 5 seconds.

G: The 2 guardian will then pull out his staff while the other one switches to a mace/focus spec and #2 guardian then throws a line of warding 600(f) away since the minions have now broken free of sanctuary and are crippled.
The #2 guardian, because of his spec, cannot throw a sanctuary ,and instead will stand at the gate and activate it when the minions begin piling up. (By now there are 15 minions waiting to come in)

All together you have about 30-45 seconds to burn down the boss before the minion waves become unmanageable. We have tried every other method. From everyone DPS’ing the boss, from trying to take out all the minions first. There are just too many, and they hit way too hard, so the best way to get through this boss fight is to have Guardian CC’s.

After the boss is dead, We have the thief do a invisibility circle, and we all stand in it while the massive minion wave passes us by.

And that is how you defeat/ DO path 1 first boss, the only boss that forces people to quit the dungeon. If you have any other ways of doing this dungeon without exploiting. Please post it here and our guild would love to try out the different methods.

Ash Legion Names
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Kaar Ghostclaw
Jathra backbiter
Multhar twotails

The engineer clones just stand there. I forgot to mention. They do not attack. They just stand there and do nothing.

Merciful intervention is not bugged for me. When i use it, it always targets my party member with the lowest ammount of health. Even when i use it in WvWvW surrounded by 20 people. It always goes after the lowest hp% party member in my party.

Yeah, I rolled my guardian as a charr for the complete kittenery, as well as the ability to significantly increase my teams DPS, even if its just for 10 seconds.

The reason this is in the mesmer thread is so this can get adressed more quickly.

When a engineer throws up a wall of reflection, and a mesmer is using the auto attack feature with the scepter. The engineer can create clones of himself that he cannot either control or shatter. The mesmser doesnt even control these clones. This needs to be adressed/fixed, the engineers clone uses the 1 pistol slot, and it does 0 damage, but still causes the target to bleed for damage if it hits. It is completely situational, but I think that this needs to be fixed and adressed shortly

It is the same thing with the guardian, except the guardians clones do not attack, and are not in control of either the guardian, or the mesmer. I’ve added it to the bugs, but maybe if I mention it to the community the solution will be expodited. I’m creating a secondary post in the guardian thread very similar to this one.

The reason this is in the mesmer thread is so this can get adressed more quickly.

When a guardian throws up a wall of reflection, and a mesmer is using the auto attack feature with the scepter. The guardian can create clones of himself that he cannot either control or shatter. The mesmser doesnt even control these clones. This needs to be adressed/fixed.

It is the same thing with the engineer, except the engineers clone uses the 1 pistol slot, and it does 0 damage, but still causes the target to bleed for damage if it hits. It is completely situational, but I think that this needs to be fixed and adressed shortly, I’ve added it to the bugs, but maybe if I mention it to the community the solution will be expodited. I’m creating a secondary post in the guardian thread very similar to this one.

Mesmers with a scepter using auto attacks on a guardians/engineers wall of reflection will create a clone of the guardian/engineer instead of the mesmer.

These clones cannot be shattered by the mesmer, and cannot be controlled by the guardian/engineer in question.

Here let me put this into better terms…

A mesmer with a scepter is running at me using auto attacks. I throw up a wall of reflection. By the time wall of reflection is down. I now have 2 clones of myself that are counted as “allies”. Since they have my guild tag and thier names are in blue. They are not in control of the mesmer, and cannot be shattered, but the guardian in question cannot do anything with them either.

Dont know if this is a bug or not. But a guardian can create clones of himself by using wall of reflection when a mesmer with a scepter is using the auto attack. The mesmers third auto attack creates a clone of the guardian which cannot be controlled by the guardian, and cannot be shattered by the mesmer.

I thought about making an asura just for the Golem series elites. And the radiation field.

When I first created my guardian Maulkior. I created it to be a sylvarri healer, for the massive regeneration buffs that I was able to give. But since i found out that healing seed ability was targetable/destroyable, that viable option made me delete the guardian at lv 54 just to recreate it as a Charr Guardian. I just want to get everyones reasons why they made thier guardian the race they are now. And If they could change thier race, why?

Why I like the CHARR Guardian.
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Battle Roar – 2 stacks of might
20% crit chance
This goes really well with the staff ability Empower and Virtue of Justice

Charr Landmine
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Great Bleed, Great cripple, Something which guardians really dont have much of.

If I could change my race, I’d be a Norn for the Snow leapord form, for invisibility /Dash during WvWvW. Another thing which guardians really dont have without sacrificing utility spells.

Yes, I have tried this build. And use it 100% of the time.

Could it be better? Of course.

But for now, IT works for me. My build enabled us to do SE Path 1 without using any exploits.

BTW. My In-game name is Maulkior, and I am on the server Sactum of Raal. If you ever want to do dungeons “Cross-Server” let me know and invite me. I’ll gladly join you if you’d like to see it in action and how much healing it does.

I agree with all of this I had no idea it was a 1:1 ratio on dodge rolling. I knew it was a major factor in my healing, but had no idea it was a 1:1

Yeah, the might stacks are really good. They come from the Staff, its about 10 seconds of might with a 7 second downtime for cooldowns. Plus sometimes i use the charr shout.

Here is how I grant might for when we need it during dungeons.

Empower Staff
Activating Virtue of Justice
Charr Battle Roar (Also gives +20% crit) for 7 1/2 seconds.
Crits apply 1 stack of might for 5 seconds. I use auto attacks in conjunction with symbols.

The damage is there, its just hidden in the capabilities of my teamates.

On a game thats built for playstyles, you really cant judge others like he did and expect a “yes sir” response. lol.

andybmcc.8751:

Kashien.6278:

SKuDDer. You just proved my point. Your only on here to say that you are the best. That you know best. And that you are just here to troll and prove others wrong. My bad for being wrong. But at least I dont troll the forums.

Don’t bash on him, he was replying to your rude post and gave you a concise correction.

Besides, the only thing we have that scales decently with healing power is Selfless Daring. Toughness is great to indirectly scale healing and provide other benefits. I think you’re missing out on a lot of damage / crit procs from not having precision. Vigorous Precision + Selfless Daring are a great way to get in some well-scaled heals if you have the precision to have a good uptime on vigor.

On the bashing. He came on with the KNOW IT ALL attitude.

Secondly, Selfless Daring is a really good healing skill, thats why i have a rune of energy on my weapon. For 50% more endurance gain. I’m not built for damage either. Even though I have alot of power through my gear set up, I’m built for supporting. I do more damage handing out stacks of might, then i do when i swing my weapon. why not spend my time buffing allies that are built for damage?

Empowering Might is for the times I do crit, and i use it primarily for WvWvW when we fight zergs. Hitting with a staff makes me hit ALOT of people, and if some of those crit, well ,that just more might for my allies.

I use writ of persistence more than anything.

Thats not a bad idea draeka. And i see what your saying with the 5 from power. I use it for tanking. I will intentionally let my hp fall and bring it up back just so the symbol gets on the ground.

It grants extra damage and retaliation. I do agree with what you said about smite condition though. Definitely worth checking out when i get home tonight.

And you hit like a truck because of all the power. and all the symbols on the ground that hit AoE and heals AoE. You should join me for a CoE someday, add me and ill show you just how good it is.

Each player has thier own playstyle. I’m just explaining mine.

“Well this is what will happen with this build, you will survive for minute, use up all your CDS, not have enough damage to kill the enemy, and die once you are on CD because you gave up valuable stats such as vitality or toughness for healing.

My first build I tried was something along these lines with full healing gear and it was horrible in WvWvW”

Not true. Not true at all. You have to time the cooldowns and weapon swaps… like a good player should.

My guardian has full set of exotic healing gear.

Including 25 Stacks of Healing Buff, I sit at

1001 Equipment Bonus
300 Trait Bonus
250 Healing from Weapon Stacks
50 Chocolate Chip Cookie
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1551 Healing Power

Here is the current build i use for “Healing”/“Tanking”

5/0/30/30/5

Automatic Bonuses/Abilities at <%HP
25% HP- Creates Symbol of Wrath on Ground ( Grants 283 Healing Per Tick from “Writ of the Merciful”, As well as granting retaliation.

50% HP- Gain Aegis

Bonuses for Symbols
Writ of the Merciful – at 1551 Healing Power, Heals 283 Per Tick for Each Symbol, Meaning for a 7 Second Symbol (Because of Writ of Persistence), it heals for 1281 Healing over the duration for a single symbol.

Sigil of the Water (Weapon)- Heals for a base 800 every 10 seconds
6/6 Water Rune(Armor) – Heals for a base 1250 Every 10 seconds.
These are not affected by healing power. They do not share the same cooldown. They are only activated by direct healing abilities such as “Symbol of Faith” and “Signet of Resolve”, “Merciful Intervention”, “Healing Breeze” and “Faithful Strike”.
These Runes/Sigils are only on cooldown for THAT person it healed. Meaning it can proc on ALL Allies within the 10 seconds, each ally has a seperate cooldown. Including yourself.

Faithful Strike heals for 483 Base healing. Does not appear to be affected by healing power.

Weapon Sets:
Mace/Focus [Superior Sigil of Energy]/ [Superior Sigil of Life]
Staff [Superior Sigil of Water]
Utility skills :
[Signet of Resolve]
[Hold The Line]
[Stand your ground]
[Merciful Intervention]

Traits Chosen

Valor : Meditation Master—20% meditation cooldown reduction
Purity – Lose a condition every 10 seconds
Altruistic healing. – Heals for 83 For each boon applied to allies. This includes multiple stack of boons, such as 12 stacks of might from “Empower” for Staff. Provides 166 Healing Per pulse, Per ally nearby.

Honor: Superior Aria – Shouts recharge 20% faster
Empowering Might- Allies gain might for 5 seconds on crit/ persistent symbols —50% increase in symbol duration

Writ of the merciful- Allies healed by symbols (283 per tick)

Healing Situation.

Healing in this game doesnt work. To be a “Pure” healer, just doesnt work. Guild wars 2 did extremely well in getting rid of the holy trinity (healing, dps, tank). So The healing in this game has to be taken to a slightly different approach.

Regneration gains the most from healing power.
The formula is as follows

5 + (1.5625 * Level) + (0.125 * Healing Power) per second.
So a lv 80 with 1551 healing power would heal
5 + (1.5625*80) +(o.125*1551) = 325.846 healing per second with REGEN

For DIRECT healing. Such as from EMPOWER staff. The formula is almost discovered, but what i have come up with is this.

10+ (5.65* level) + 1.5* (Healingpower) 462+2328= 2790 healing

I’m still trying to discover how traits are done, but it will take some time.

THE REASON:
The reason i like this build is because it grants massive ammounts of regeneration
Regeneration Sources
“Hold the Line”
“Symbol of Faith”
Activating “Virtue of Resolve”

Massive ammounts of retaliation
“Hold your Ground”
Activating “Shield of Wraith” In Combo Field “light”

Massive ammounts of Protection
“Hold The Line”
Activating “Virtueue of Courage”

Grants Aegis
Activating “Virtue of Courage”

Grants Burning/Might
Activating “Vitrue of Justice”

Grants massive ammounts of might
Activating “Empower” On staff

The tankability of this build is amazing. Because of the “Cleric” gear set up, you have massive ammounts of healing power and toughness. And with the water runes, you have a superior healing cabaility, which only increases your own survivability.

The damage on this build is not too shabby. AS the cleric gear is Power/Toughness/Healing power. You still hit like a truck, ESPECIALLY with symbols on the ground that increases the healing done to allies, as well as damage done to foes.

I’m only a week new to this guild. But I am thouroughly impressed. Not with thier World vs World cababilities. Not thier dungeon capabilities. Not thier PVP capabilities.

I am impressed with the Guilds ability to remain mature. There is absolutely 0 guild drama. And that to me, is important. We all play this game for fun, and you want to be surrounded by like-minded individuals when you play a game. If there is any drama, it is always adressed immediately, there is no stay of execution.

I love this guild. Despite the fact that this is my first Online computer game, they took me in, they helped me understand my guardian better and help me understand traits and the stats, helped me become an all around better player.

There is something in this guild that you cant find anywhere else. These people do not want to just be your guildmates or dungeon runners. They want to be your friend. They make you feel welcome and needed, especially during event nights. The community in this guild is absolutely amazing and deserves recognition as the single best guild. In all of Guildwars.

The only way for this guild to go is UP. So, during the Morning is the time where our server population is lowest, Transfer over to us and give our officers a shout out whenever they are on. I garuntee you, coming from a new persons perspective, that you wont regret your choice.

We have people that come from all walks of life, from competitive players, to collectors, to completionists, to casual players. This guild is diverse, having people from all corners of the world.

We are unique and diverse,
Very friendly and mature,.
We are [SPQR].

We are WvW.

Maulkior