Guild Wars 2

I’m a Necro and I always target the Necro’s first. Easiest kill on the field.

Can use it to your advantage and go completely defensive to allow you to survive long enough for your comrads to kill them.

Time to rename WvW to GVG and cap guilds at 30 and all ppt is earned for the guild.

Last week out of each month the top 3 guilds from each server go to the WvW Olympics and duke it out for server pride.

If we use BG’s logic and only look at the last match with BG/SoR/JQ together, this would be unfair to JQ since BG/SoR did a 2v1 in the last match.

13and1

SlothBear.9846:

thefreezingvoid.8516:

What happened to the TC roleplayers I once knew? Spent the past few hours walking around in dolyak tonic and every TC I ran across killed me with extreme prejudice.

At one time they would have joined me in my RP fun.

I wish you could see enemy speech. I found a TC disguised as a Dolyak and acted like I was escorting him to the tower. He played along just short of the point of walking into our guards. He will never know that I was lecturing him on how he should put away the balloon and concentrate on hard work like his dolyak brothers.

You must be new to WvW.

TC and Doylaks are one of the best things that happen in WvW.

When in a zerg the class you play just needs to be able to do enough aoe damage to get bags and enough defensive skills to survive. You solo dps isn’t as important since most ppl will be taking damage from multiple sources. But if you cannot survive then no getting the bags that drop.

When solo the class needs enough dps to kill someone before they can kill you.

Reslinal.2359:

Jaxs.5830:

Reslinal.2359:

Jaxs.5830:

Reslinal.2359:

But it is only one guild and it is only 2 hours, really no reason just for whole server giving up trying all together.

The impact of losing all upgrades every day while you have no one to defend is pretty significant.

It’s not like they don’t have the people to hold stuff in this time zone at all. They used to actually winning this brief time zone with IRON and stay-up late SEA. The coming of ZDs only really just tip the scale towards BG, not completely dominates like right now. The problem is ever since SoR lose week 2 to a dramatic come back, they are completely demoralized and people just stop trying to put in effort to cover this brief time zone. And now it becomes a vicious cycle, no one tries so you lose everything, which discourage more people from trying….

Bottom line is you got bigger to ‘tip the scales’. You are now suggesting your competition just work harder because you want good match-ups. So you want a good match as long as the scales are tipped in your favor, because if they were tipped in someone else’s favor you could have just worked harder right?

Maybe instead of playing in a decided match they are spending all their time recruiting and raising money for a warchest, it is the GW2 way.

This is how Tier 1 has always been. Server’s strength fluctuate as servers gain or lose guilds. However Tier 1 servers usually don’t give up fighting just because you are now suddenly weaker in some small time zones. BG fought hard when JQ outmanned us tremendously when we entered T1 and when SoR just got IRON that allowed them to get on a winning streak, JQ did not give up fighting when they lost guilds and was the weakest T1 server for a while. SoR used to keep fighting hard and give close matches when they had weaker coverages.

So this is the T1 way, you are expected to keep fighting hard even when you know your opponent has temporary better coverage than you and you may not able to win. You keep your server’s morale high through fighting and also work on recruitment to even out the time zones.

I give this piece of creating writing a 13/14.

Zikory.6871:

Hi Charak,

You have a interesting complaint. If you would use your link and take a look at the SoR/BG/Mag match, as you can tell BG is winning, at times ticking 300-400+ most the match. While mag doesn’t have the population to win, Mags guilds and players are out there fighting hard. Just a few moments before this post, Mag had BG pushed back to Vally in EBG (while our map is queued)

Your problem is expecting you can win the PPT game, with out coverage, you can not. You bring up balance? Both Anet and any WvW player will tell you, WvW is not balanced and won’t be any time soon. It’s up to you to make it fun, you say you’re a commander? Rally 20-30 regular people, train them, get better together. Get out there and fight, drop the “we can win the match” mentality because its (As SpehssMehreen said) a defeatist attitude.

Good luck

To whom it may concern,

Please show up and entertain us.

Your friend and mine;
The Stacked Servers.

So, are the Merc members that came to JQ all excited to be fighting their friends on BG?

And who is on the list that you want to fight?

DKNS.2135:

Jaxs.5830:

Reslinal.2359:

Jaxs.5830:

Reslinal.2359:

But it is only one guild and it is only 2 hours, really no reason just for whole server giving up trying all together.

The impact of losing all upgrades every day while you have no one to defend is pretty significant.

It’s not like they don’t have the people to hold stuff in this time zone at all. They used to actually winning this brief time zone with IRON and stay-up late SEA. The coming of ZDs only really just tip the scale towards BG, not completely dominates like right now. The problem is ever since SoR lose week 2 to a dramatic come back, they are completely demoralized and people just stop trying to put in effort to cover this brief time zone. And now it becomes a vicious cycle, no one tries so you lose everything, which discourage more people from trying….

Bottom line is you got bigger to ‘tip the scales’. You are now suggesting your competition just work harder because you want good match-ups. So you want a good match as long as the scales are tipped in your favor, because if they were tipped in someone else’s favor you could have just worked harder right?

Maybe instead of playing in a decided match they are spending all their time recruiting and raising money for a warchest, it is the GW2 way.

BG worked their kitten off when you got IRON.

BG also never gave up when our SEA/OCX was having issues when MERC left.

BG also worked overtime to bring down JQ the first time it happened because if you recall we came from behind back then as well while being weaker than JQ back in those days.

I can go on and on but what’s the use….

Didn’t only some of Merc leave….I guess now its all Merc left.

13and1

I think Mag has a lot of roamers because that’s where all the socially challenged end up.

Just copy this thread and change the title to show the upcoming weeks for Mag/Sor, Mag/BG.

The only thing all those bottle necks will do is create areas where either side blobs and pew pews each other from range.

HolyMolla.6582:

What guilds did BG bought?
Can i get their names?
All the time I heard BG bought guilds
but nobody can’t give their names.

“JaredKincade.9761:

All the posts about “buying” guilds has got me thinking.

Before I start let me clarify something that people like to forget. I can’t speak for all servers, but I know enough about what’s going on BG to know that BG has never ever given more than the cost of a guild to move. "

I will let you find the post this is in and read the rest of it. Basically its trying to be a clever post saying when BG does it its not buying guilds its supporting them but when others do it its buying them.

Seigfried.5938:

KeeZee.7312:

Bash.7291:

Zikory.6871:

KeeZee.7312:

BG has placed first in all their matches so far as well as winning 13 out of 14 matches with SoR. Still waiting to see where BG was in such dire straits.

Oh ya, SoR had higher ppt for a few ticks one day out of the week.

I do find it funny that BG keeps using the match before Leagues as proof that they had it so hard when most servers took it easy to get ready for League. Even some of the BG forum warriors even commented as such.

Why do you keep bring up the match before seasons? Yes we took it easy that week but to be honest JQ would have probably won even if we didn’t. We understand you think BG is the bestest but you should really stop discrediting SoR and JQ. All the trolls and chest thumpers aside, there are still a lot of people on BG that have huge respect for JQ and SoR and know how good they can be.

Side question for ya, what does 13 of 14 matches prove when SoR is well known to play for fights and that PPT is just a subset of why they are out there? From my understanding a lot of SoR guilds feel as if they won by having a exciting match rather than seeing a higher score at the end of the week….

Zik don’t bother with him, he seriously will not listen to anything outside of his one single argument which doesn’t even take every factor into effect.

With every factor considered how does this change that BG has won 92.8% of their match history with SoR………it doesn’t.

So you got tired of saying 13/14? It is more accurate than a non terminating decimal, you know.

13 out of 14
13/14

Nope, not tired at all.

Chaotic Storm.2815:

its got its up and downs. its nice to see wvw get its own achievements. tho for someone like me who sucks at pvp I’m forced to follow mindless zergs who seem to rarely do anything I actually need and the min I go out on my own blam I’m steam rolled by an enemy zerg group.

Would of been nice to see some achievements added that wasn’t basically the norm of the game tho.

dub v dub already had its own achievements before leagues. Only change that happened was Anet called it Leagues.

Zikory.6871:

KeeZee.7312:

Only someone in denial would look at all those wins and try to say they mean nothing.

I guess if everyone in BG transferred over the week before Leagues started you would be correct. Is that what you are trying to say? BG imploded in 1 week and got 100% new WvW players.

How many times has BG beat SoR since leagues started……ya…so different from the previous matches.

Denial isn’t quite the right word for it, You pointing to things that Blackgate players can’t answer with out sounding kitteny. As someone that fought SoR in all those matches, SoR has never looked like they do now, not by a long shot. Maybe you’re right and the “we play for fights” was just a excuse to cover losses but I would like to think other wise based off the many fights I’v had with them.

Even with that record you are continually posting, SoR was never considered a “easy match” because we know better. Even IF we were guaranteed to win base off past data, I’m not going to sit here a brush off SoR as if they had no chance. That said, we will still treat next week as a new week and come ready, we may have confidence from these past matches but will not be complacent due to past data that no precedence on how SoR can perform next week.

Well written post.

Only someone in denial would look at all those wins and try to say they mean nothing.

I guess if everyone in BG transferred over the week before Leagues started you would be correct. Is that what you are trying to say? BG imploded in 1 week and got 100% new WvW players.

How many times has BG beat SoR since leagues started……ya…so different from the previous matches.

Zikory.6871:

KeeZee.7312:

Zikory.6871:

KeeZee.7312:

BG has placed first in all their matches so far as well as winning 13 out of 14 matches with SoR. Still waiting to see where BG was in such dire straits.

Oh ya, SoR had higher ppt for a few ticks one day out of the week.

I do find it funny that BG keeps using the match before Leagues as proof that they had it so hard when most servers took it easy to get ready for League. Even some of the BG forum warriors even commented as such.

Why do you keep bring up the match before seasons? Yes we took it easy that week but to be honest JQ would have probably won even if we didn’t. We understand you think BG is the bestest but you should really stop discrediting SoR and JQ. All the trolls and chest thumpers aside, there are still a lot of people on BG that have huge respect for JQ and SoR and know how good they can be.

Side question for ya, what does 13 of 14 matches prove when SoR is well known to play for fights and that PPT is just a subset of why they are out there? From my understanding a lot of SoR guilds feel as if they won by having a exciting match rather than seeing a higher score at the end of the week….

Funny how the only counter BG can come up with is the only part of their match history that is relevant is that time where SoR beat them once. Lets ignore everything else.

I find it funny that you bring up SoR only fights for ppt and you believe this when there is many posts of BG telling them its an excuse.

“SoR only fights for ppt” That’s not what I said, I’ll assume its a typo instead of insulting your reading skills. Your right about it being a excuse but in SoRs defense, they seemed to do a lot better when they had that mind set, The recent push for playing PPT seemed to do more harm then doing what they are good at. I sure you probably see a lot of whats posted here as straight laced fact but you need to understand that its about perspective. Blackgate plays PPT (for the most part) so anything discrediting that would be seen as a excuse (see “playing for fights”). On the other side, Blackgate running from a fight to maintain PPT would be considered a excuse.

As for match history, how many weeks was this 13 of 14 matches over? Assuming a minimum of 3.5 months? (I know I can math good) Do you know how many guilds have moved around since then? How many times the meta has changed? Are you looking at anything other than “lawl bro scores” You say only as if we only have 1 counter yet all you’re doing is repeating 13 of 14…

Here I’ll help you out so you don’t have to waste time posting….

KeeZee.7312:

13 out of 14

KeeZee.7312:

13 out of 14

KeeZee.7312:

13 out of 14

Got your next 3 covered

The 13/14 is taken from a 58 week history. And despite all these so called moves and changes BG still ended up with a commanding win vs losses over SoR.

Still waiting for you all to post something with substance.

Or you can keep denying that a 92.8% win rate over another team doesn’t mean you are better.

I guess if 2 teams won 50% of the time against each other it doesn’t mean they are equal.

Bash.7291:

KeeZee.7312:

Bash.7291:

Zikory.6871:

KeeZee.7312:

BG has placed first in all their matches so far as well as winning 13 out of 14 matches with SoR. Still waiting to see where BG was in such dire straits.

Oh ya, SoR had higher ppt for a few ticks one day out of the week.

I do find it funny that BG keeps using the match before Leagues as proof that they had it so hard when most servers took it easy to get ready for League. Even some of the BG forum warriors even commented as such.

Why do you keep bring up the match before seasons? Yes we took it easy that week but to be honest JQ would have probably won even if we didn’t. We understand you think BG is the bestest but you should really stop discrediting SoR and JQ. All the trolls and chest thumpers aside, there are still a lot of people on BG that have huge respect for JQ and SoR and know how good they can be.

Side question for ya, what does 13 of 14 matches prove when SoR is well known to play for fights and that PPT is just a subset of why they are out there? From my understanding a lot of SoR guilds feel as if they won by having a exciting match rather than seeing a higher score at the end of the week….

Zik don’t bother with him, he seriously will not listen to anything outside of his one single argument which doesn’t even take every factor into effect.

With every factor considered how does this change that BG has won 92.8% of their match history with SoR………it doesn’t.

/sigh Fine ill feed you. You know what 92.8% win ratio shows? That BG is better than SoR. I mean, if SoR can only win once out of 14 times, that is what it led to assume right? /endtroll

That BG ended up with more “easy matches” than they want to admit to.

And yes, if someone beats you 92.8% of the time in competition it means that they are better than you.

Bash.7291:

Zikory.6871:

KeeZee.7312:

BG has placed first in all their matches so far as well as winning 13 out of 14 matches with SoR. Still waiting to see where BG was in such dire straits.

Oh ya, SoR had higher ppt for a few ticks one day out of the week.

I do find it funny that BG keeps using the match before Leagues as proof that they had it so hard when most servers took it easy to get ready for League. Even some of the BG forum warriors even commented as such.

Why do you keep bring up the match before seasons? Yes we took it easy that week but to be honest JQ would have probably won even if we didn’t. We understand you think BG is the bestest but you should really stop discrediting SoR and JQ. All the trolls and chest thumpers aside, there are still a lot of people on BG that have huge respect for JQ and SoR and know how good they can be.

Side question for ya, what does 13 of 14 matches prove when SoR is well known to play for fights and that PPT is just a subset of why they are out there? From my understanding a lot of SoR guilds feel as if they won by having a exciting match rather than seeing a higher score at the end of the week….

Zik don’t bother with him, he seriously will not listen to anything outside of his one single argument which doesn’t even take every factor into effect.

With every factor considered how does this change that BG has won 92.8% of their match history with SoR………it doesn’t.

Zikory.6871:

KeeZee.7312:

BG has placed first in all their matches so far as well as winning 13 out of 14 matches with SoR. Still waiting to see where BG was in such dire straits.

Oh ya, SoR had higher ppt for a few ticks one day out of the week.

I do find it funny that BG keeps using the match before Leagues as proof that they had it so hard when most servers took it easy to get ready for League. Even some of the BG forum warriors even commented as such.

Why do you keep bring up the match before seasons? Yes we took it easy that week but to be honest JQ would have probably won even if we didn’t. We understand you think BG is the bestest but you should really stop discrediting SoR and JQ. All the trolls and chest thumpers aside, there are still a lot of people on BG that have huge respect for JQ and SoR and know how good they can be.

Side question for ya, what does 13 of 14 matches prove when SoR is well known to play for fights and that PPT is just a subset of why they are out there? From my understanding a lot of SoR guilds feel as if they won by having a exciting match rather than seeing a higher score at the end of the week….

Funny how the only counter BG can come up with is the only part of their match history that is relevant is that time where SoR beat them once. Lets ignore everything else.

I find it funny that you bring up SoR only fights for ppt and you believe this when there is many posts of BG telling them its an excuse.

BG has placed first in all their matches so far as well as winning 13 out of 14 matches with SoR. Still waiting to see where BG was in such dire straits.

Oh ya, SoR had higher ppt for a few ticks one day out of the week.

I do find it funny that BG keeps using the match before Leagues as proof that they had it so hard when most servers took it easy to get ready for League. Even some of the BG forum warriors even commented as such.

Cod on Cod.3694:

KeeZee.7312:

Still waiting for BG to produce some facts on how SoR was dominating them going into league.

Basicaly what BG and ZD is saying is SoR had greater ppt than them for an hour 1 day out of the week and that made them under dogs.

Funny how BG keeps on ignoring the numbers that clearly show BG was the dominant server going into leagues. Sorry ZD, you went to the stacked server who was already in a good position to win….you will forever be tainted by this move.

This kid, really….

I guess when BG’s own match history doesn’t support anything they have said since leagues began all there is left is to come up with quick one liners.

Force.2841:

KeeZee.7312:

Still waiting for BG to produce some facts on how SoR was dominating them going into league.

Basicaly what BG and ZD is saying is SoR had greater ppt than them for an hour 1 day out of the week and that made them under dogs.

Funny how BG keeps on ignoring the numbers that clearly show BG was the dominant server going into leagues. Sorry ZD, you went to the stacked server who was already in a good position to win….you will forever be tainted by this move.

LOL love how you keep saying “tainted” as if they are now being rejected by everyone when it fact its just 3-5 of you trolls from SoR. Any server would happily accept ZDS I guarantee you that and would lol at you if you said they were "tainted"as if that would damage their reputation. Too bad they won’t transfer to SoR as they have seen you as the example of the usual SoR player. That should be a thing , “oh daaam they transferred to another server, deey tainted!” lmao…trolls try to hard these days.

Not on SoR….keep trying to make excuses though. Facts would be nice but BG has none and their own match history contradicts everything they keep saying.

Still waiting for BG to produce some facts on how SoR was dominating them going into league.

Basicaly what BG and ZD is saying is SoR had greater ppt than them for an hour 1 day out of the week and that made them under dogs.

Funny how BG keeps on ignoring the numbers that clearly show BG was the dominant server going into leagues. Sorry ZD, you went to the stacked server who was already in a good position to win….you will forever be tainted by this move.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

KeeZee.7312:

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

KeeZee.7312:

OMG….SoR won 1 match….stop the presses…what is the world coming to.

I guess the fact that BG has won 13 out of the last 14 matches means nothing….lol

Yes, and the populations have not fluctuated at all since BG entered T1. And they certainly didn’t change significantly the weeks leading into Leagues. No, sir.

BG lost the last 1v1’s before Leagues by a larger margin than the last BGvSoRvJQ. It was clear going in to Week 1 that we were the weakest server. A combination of OT and the 2v1 of JQ left us in first place. Something that, prior to the transfer of ZDs, SoR admitted to not caring about because your server mates agreed that BG would lose all 1v1’s with BG.

Btw, did SoR not win the two weeks right after IRON transferred?

No, the 13 out of 14 wins BG had over SoR didn’t change. BG was still clearly the dominant server.

Sorry but SoR winning 1 match out of 14 and having higher ppt for 3 ticks on one day does not make them the dominant server.

BG did not have a mass exodus of players that one week. They just didn’t show up because they didn’t care about the last match. It had no bearing on anything.

Sorry ZD, but your excuses are lame and easily countered by facts.

Okay, considering you’re obviously ignorant of a lot of the going-ons regarding guild movements, and you’re incapable of reading MOS… I’ll leave you alone with your facts.

Please post the last 14 matches where BG and SoR went heads up. If you are correct it should show SoR with the majority of the wins.

Oh ya, you are trying to argue that the final score and win means nothing and SoR having ppt lead for one hour out of 24 showed BG in need of help….lol

And for guild movements, ZD moved to BG that did not need more players. What else do I need to know. I am sure I know all that there is needed to know.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

KeeZee.7312:

OMG….SoR won 1 match….stop the presses…what is the world coming to.

I guess the fact that BG has won 13 out of the last 14 matches means nothing….lol

Yes, and the populations have not fluctuated at all since BG entered T1. And they certainly didn’t change significantly the weeks leading into Leagues. No, sir.

BG lost the last 1v1’s before Leagues by a larger margin than the last BGvSoRvJQ. It was clear going in to Week 1 that we were the weakest server. A combination of OT and the 2v1 of JQ left us in first place. Something that, prior to the transfer of ZDs, SoR admitted to not caring about because your server mates agreed that BG would lose all 1v1’s with BG.

Btw, did SoR not win the two weeks right after IRON transferred?

No, the 13 out of 14 wins BG had over SoR didn’t change. BG was still clearly the dominant server.

Sorry but SoR winning 1 match out of 14 and having higher ppt for 3 ticks on one day does not make them the dominant server.

BG did not have a mass exodus of players that one week. They just didn’t show up because they didn’t care about the last match. It had no bearing on anything.

Sorry ZD, but your excuses are lame and easily countered by facts.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

KeeZee.7312:

BG always says they are undermanned and need more players….doesn’t make it true.

Sorry ZD, but you tainted yourselves when you moved to the already stacked server who was winning against both SoR and JQ in their heads up matches before leagues started.

I do enjoy BG telling SoR that they aren’t showing up to cover that BG stacked themselves to the point where there is no competition. Even though they already had a very dominant winning record vs SoR when heads up.

SoR won the 1v1 with BG before Leagues. And if BG winning Week 1 was indicative of their superior coverage, then weeks ago when JQ won T1 after returning from T2 should’ve indicated that they were then, even before MERC, the strongest server.

As for BG telling SoR that they aren’t showing up. Look at the MOS scores for the weekend.

OMG….SoR won 1 match….stop the presses…what is the world coming to.

I guess the fact that BG has won 13 out of the last 14 matches means nothing….lol

Same thing happens in Aion during the large scale battles. Its more of a NCSoft issue.
Anet can only use what NCSoft provides.

Demannu.2805:

I cannot resist not to post.

Guys guys. There is no need for lame excuses, simply no need for those. We do understand the frustration within some individuals and groups of individual with our arrival to the NA.

We don’t think we flipped balance in NA Golden league, i was scouting the SoR and BG servers with my 2 other accounts for over a week, and i saw higher pressure in EU prime from SoR side so our idea was to support the weak ones. The SoR community leader said that they have no need in other 30-40 EU prime guild raid as they are happy with what they have and we should approach other servers. BG confirmed they are in need.

The issue with some guilds and individuals who choose not to fight us and to run / log off is their respectful choice. We notice that just yesterday upon our arrival to defend T3 Lord Room in bay BG border, enemies were in solid 40-50 man raid, after getting faces uninstalled they start running without bothering to fight. This clearly was a decision to ‘’not let ZDs have fun’’. After that we scouted the map and figured the enemies are gone, so we chased them to their home border and with a friendly Omega rush uninstalled all T3 objects on the map.

In ZDs we play to have fun and to fight, our players will log in to fight no matter if we have a commander available or not. Just so that you all realize ZDs main commander is away for 6 weeks now and we dont know when he will be back. But you know you can go and lead yourself you just need 1) microphone 2) brain 3) sexy voice 4) balls

Yes we feel sad that some decided not to fight us after several individuals stated on forums that they are looking for a good fight, but that is reality people always lie. No that tactic will not force us to leave we stand behind our Word and will stay up for whole 8 weeks period claimed before.

Like i said this is holidays for us and we did it for free, but kitten thanks for the idea next time we will ask for cash $_$

We are really sorry if some of you believe that we came here to ruin your fun, we had no intention to do so, but I confirm that the level of kitten, drama and tears pleases the Dark Gods

Cheers

Champion of Khorne

BG always says they are undermanned and need more players….doesn’t make it true.

Sorry ZD, but you tainted yourselves when you moved to the already stacked server who was winning against both SoR and JQ in their heads up matches before leagues started.

I do enjoy BG telling SoR that they aren’t showing up to cover that BG stacked themselves to the point where there is no competition. Even though they already had a very dominant winning record vs SoR when heads up.

Ferris Bewler.9706:

Lol its funny to even see SOR and JQ posters in this thread, the rest of you I can understand your opinion and respect it. But especially from the JQ and SOR people, you do realize the 2 weeks prior to seasons both of your servers obliterated us and had very open conversations in the match threads about how BG had zero chance of taking anything more than 3rd in leagues.

And now were over stacked and poised to take T1 championship….. lol yall make me laugh. My opinion is as such: BG may be threatening to take 1st but right now JQ is a massive force to take on in week 5 and we still have to get past SOR this next week. So I would say in an all honest opinion, that its a toss up between JQ and BG to the end.

The 2 weeks where SoR and BG decided to do a no show and rest up for leagues?
Lets also not forget that BG had beat SoR 13 out of their 14 matches with SoR and also has a winning record vs JQ.

Sorry but BG is favored to win this.

Execrable.1064:

It’s about 7:30 pm in London right now. Where are your Euro forces (Iron?)?

BG has already won, SoR is out having a few beers.

Or they are in Eve due to the 2500+ ships fighting for the last 3 days.

1 Necro’s ask for discussion with devs.
2 Devs make a post.
3 Necro’s calm down.
4 Necro’s get nerfed.
5 Return to 1.

Ah, another BG post stating they are winning because SoR didn’t show up.

Nothing to do with BG stacking their server.

And BG’s low turn out has nothing to do with low morale. Its because BG has the win in the bag this week and next and people are relaxing.

Round 4 11/8 thru 11/15
League Red Blue Green
Gold Maguuma Blackgate Sanctum of Rall

So, we gonna call it now……..Winner————-> BG

4 easy weeks so far….dang BG has it so hard.

BG will rise up and win even though they are under manned compared to JQ and SoR and even had Anet rigging the schedule against them.

Even though their match history shows that out of the last 14 fights where they went up against SoR with a server other than JQ they won 13. But BG still posted that SoR wasn’t gonna be easy weeks for them.

And then they made that post on when they buy guilds its ok to justify stacking against SoR who they already won 13 out of the last 14 matches.

Um, SoR hasn’t been a tough fight for BG at all. The BG/SoR are easy matches for BG.

So BG has beat SoR in 13 out of the 14 matches where it was BG/SoR/Server x and now they make a big post on how giving a guild gold to come over is not buying because it justifies them stacking when they didn’t need to stack.

This is just another BG is the victim post like the one about how they had such a hard schedule.

Gilgamesh.7364:

KeeZee.7312:

Gilgamesh.7364:

KeeZee.7312:

So BG who has beat SoR 6 out of the last 7 times the 2 faced each other is still trying to say they are the underdogs after they stacked their server again.

SoR beat Blackgate 14 times

showing only what he wants to see

You must have forgotten the first 2 weeks prior to league starting where SoR beat BG.

Week 41 12-19 October
BG 242 380
TC 152 372
JQ 323 892

Week 40 05-12 October
JQ 262 402
BG 238 154
SoR 247 939

BG only fought SoR in one of those matches and JQ took first in both due to BG and SoR taking a break before leagues started.

Gilgamesh.7364:

KeeZee.7312:

So BG who has beat SoR 6 out of the last 7 times the 2 faced each other is still trying to say they are the underdogs after they stacked their server again.

SoR beat Blackgate 14 times

BG/SoR have faced off against each other 7 times this year without JQ and BG has won 6 out of those 7 matches.

Mos shows weeks 39-52 of the previous year. Of those 7 matches without JQ BG won all of them.

Week 52 29-05 January
BG 285 618
SoR 172 525

Week 51 22-29 December
BG 231 010
SoR 206 862

Week 50 15-22 December
BG 254 459
SoR 221 466

Week 49 08-15 December
BG 227 356
SoR 202 113

Week 48 01-08 December
BG 257 339
SoR 189 990

Week 47 24-01 December
BG 219 961
SoR 198 251

Week 46 17-24 November
BG 251 795
SoR 195 171

BG has won 13 out of the last 14 times BG and SoR fought without JQ.

Cod on Cod.3694:

KeeZee.7312:

Cod on Cod.3694:

KeeZee.7312:

Cod on Cod.3694:

KeeZee.7312:

BG won 6 out of the last 7 matches where it was BG/SoR/server x. 85.7% win percentage against SoR.

Why did BG feel they wouldn’t win?

Oh ya, that’s what they want everyone to believe.

I give up on your kid, simply dont know why you are dodging this simple question….

Anyway, happy trolling you broken record you.

Give up on facts……the BG way.

The fact that you will not answer the question, no matter how much I poke you for it, is actually all the answer i need.
The number you would have to pull out of your kitten to cover for all the claimed purchases BG have done, would have to be so ridiculously big, that noone would believe it anyway. In so making 50% of your troll attempts completely void.

Can’t have that now can we.

Now, regarding the other 50% of your trolling agenda….. How many times did BG beat SoR? Seriously….

It was answered, as you said…..you didn’t like it.

You are making no sense kid. Opie, is that you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyG6_VQDl_U

I guess you couldn’t come up with any facts to show BG had a coverage gap so let the insults begin.

Breathe…..getting mad isn’t healthy.

Cod on Cod.3694:

KeeZee.7312:

Cod on Cod.3694:

KeeZee.7312:

BG won 6 out of the last 7 matches where it was BG/SoR/server x. 85.7% win percentage against SoR.

Why did BG feel they wouldn’t win?

Oh ya, that’s what they want everyone to believe.

I give up on your kid, simply dont know why you are dodging this simple question….

Anyway, happy trolling you broken record you.

Give up on facts……the BG way.

The fact that you will not answer the question, no matter how much I poke you for it, is actually all the answer i need.
The number you would have to pull out of your kitten to cover for all the claimed purchases BG have done, would have to be so ridiculously big, that noone would believe it anyway. In so making 50% of your troll attempts completely void.

Can’t have that now can we.

Now, regarding the other 50% of your trolling agenda….. How many times did BG beat SoR? Seriously….

It was answered, as you said…..you didn’t like it.

Bash.7291:

KeeZee.7312:

Bash.7291:

KeeZee.7312:

BG won 6 out of the last 7 matches where it was BG/SoR/server x. 85.7% win percentage against SoR.

Why did BG feel they wouldn’t win?

Oh ya, that’s what they want everyone to believe.

I dont know, maybe because our SEA coverage got gutted by guilds leaving, which left us vulnerable in that timezone. Or maybe the fact that before the start of the league, we hadn’t won a match since we lost that coverage?(including an SoR/BG/TC match, and also a JQ/BG/TC match) You can look at those win numbers all you want, but WAY to much changed between those matches to even use them as viable data.

SoR has beat BG once this year (in a heads up match) in week 39 which was 3 weeks before leagues started.

Do you really want everyone to believe that that one win shows BG as lacking coverage?

Please provide all the losses BG suffered against SoR due to BG not having coverage.
I expect that will come when BG posts how their easy schedule is unfair to everyone.

Lets see… 3 weeks before leagues started… hmm, that seems to be about the same time we lost a bunch of people to transfers. Wow isn’t that a fluke! It is funny how you can’t seem to accept that over a multiple month period something like WvW status can change very quickly, yet that is exactly what happened from Sun -> Mon last match up. Hell, the same thing happened when got Iron, or are we selectively forgetting that? By your logic, ZD coming over shouldn’t have effected anything, since nothing can change unless its been over the course of years or something.

KeeZee.7312:

Cod on Cod.3694:

KeeZee.7312:

BG won 6 out of the last 7 matches where it was BG/SoR/server x. 85.7% win percentage against SoR.

Why did BG feel they wouldn’t win?

Oh ya, that’s what they want everyone to believe.

I give up on your kid, simply dont know why you are dodging this simple question….

Anyway, happy trolling you broken record you.

Give up on facts……the BG way.

Yep, he gave up on trying to show you facts, I guess you just said it yourself ^.^

Still waiting to see the facts showing BG with a losing match history vs SoR.

So far all I see is “We feel we needed more coverage.” Your match history (fact) shows what you felt couldn’t be further from the truth.

Bash.7291:

KeeZee.7312:

Bash.7291:

KeeZee.7312:

BG won 6 out of the last 7 matches where it was BG/SoR/server x. 85.7% win percentage against SoR.

Why did BG feel they wouldn’t win?

Oh ya, that’s what they want everyone to believe.

I dont know, maybe because our SEA coverage got gutted by guilds leaving, which left us vulnerable in that timezone. Or maybe the fact that before the start of the league, we hadn’t won a match since we lost that coverage?(including an SoR/BG/TC match, and also a JQ/BG/TC match) You can look at those win numbers all you want, but WAY to much changed between those matches to even use them as viable data.

SoR has beat BG once this year (in a heads up match) in week 39 which was 3 weeks before leagues started.

Do you really want everyone to believe that that one win shows BG as lacking coverage?

Please provide all the losses BG suffered against SoR due to BG not having coverage.
I expect that will come when BG posts how their easy schedule is unfair to everyone.

Lets see… 3 weeks before leagues started… hmm, that seems to be about the same time we lost a bunch of people to transfers. Wow isn’t that a fluke! It is funny how you can’t seem to accept that over a multiple month period something like WvW status can change very quickly, yet that is exactly what happened from Sun -> Mon last match up. Hell, the same thing happened when got Iron, or are we selectively forgetting that? By your logic, ZD coming over shouldn’t have effected anything, since nothing can change unless its been over the course of years or something.

In the first league match-up on Monday and Tuesday when JQ and SoR were focussing BG, BG managed to make up the ppt and take the lead on both days after NA went to bed.

Another fact, I know.

But hey, BG obviously needed ZD even though the facts prove otherwise.

Cod on Cod.3694:

KeeZee.7312:

BG won 6 out of the last 7 matches where it was BG/SoR/server x. 85.7% win percentage against SoR.

Why did BG feel they wouldn’t win?

Oh ya, that’s what they want everyone to believe.

I give up on your kid, simply dont know why you are dodging this simple question….

Anyway, happy trolling you broken record you.

Give up on facts……the BG way.

omniomi.7351:

KeeZee.7312:

Exactly, BG already had beat SoR 6 out of ther last 7 matches together and still proceeded to add another guild to stack even further.

Fair enough and I don’t disagree but the start of the swing from an SoR victory to a BG victory last week happened during NA primetime when BG and SoR are pretty evenly matched. Outside of the NA timezone BG also recently lost a number of large guilds, with ZD Blackgate is at or even below previous extra-na coverage levels.

Tier 1 fluctuates a lot. Guilds come and go, fair weather players surge and recede, and the politics and game meta are constantly evolving. For SoR to blame their loss on any one factor is disingenuous at best.

Any shoe you try to put on one Tier 1 server will fit on the other two it’s how we all became Tier 1. When a server loses they need to own up to it, identify the real problem, and fix it. Creating a scapegoat helps no one.

If you read the match-up threads going back to when BG first started to consistently place in Tier 1 SoR forum patrollers have always had it out for BG; they dislike BG passionately and it’s not surprising they would look to place blame on BG and not themselves.

BG and SoR have always hated each other. Started way back when……….guess what……BG was constantly winning against SoR and SoR was stuck fighting them for about 2-3 months back to back.

Bash.7291:

KeeZee.7312:

BG won 6 out of the last 7 matches where it was BG/SoR/server x. 85.7% win percentage against SoR.

Why did BG feel they wouldn’t win?

Oh ya, that’s what they want everyone to believe.

I dont know, maybe because our SEA coverage got gutted by guilds leaving, which left us vulnerable in that timezone. Or maybe the fact that before the start of the league, we hadn’t won a match since we lost that coverage?(including an SoR/BG/TC match, and also a JQ/BG/TC match) You can look at those win numbers all you want, but WAY to much changed between those matches to even use them as viable data.

SoR has beat BG once this year (in a heads up match) in week 39 which was 3 weeks before leagues started.

Do you really want everyone to believe that that one win shows BG as lacking coverage?

Please provide all the losses BG suffered against SoR due to BG not having coverage.
I expect that will come when BG posts how their easy schedule is unfair to everyone.

omniomi.7351:

Hobbitz.5831:

I’ll do you one better, I’ll describe the situation.

SoR dominated BG through the first 3 days of its match up last week. Sunday night going into Monday morning Blackgate paid a Russian guild an extremely large sum of gold to transfer to their server just for the league. The guild has already stated that they have no intentions of staying on BG and are only be paid to help them win league. As SoR has no players in their particular time slot (9aPST/12pEST) the guild continues to flip all borderlands uncontested.

Now SoR players are quitting the game left and right. The league was viewed as the savior of WvW for a large section of the base but now that one server has gone to the extreme to literally ‘pay-to-win’ a lot of the player base has lost faith in leagues and ArenaNet.

The most offensive part of this propaganda is it’s a giant middle-finger to the BG guilds who converted your entire BL to paper and swung the match in BG’s favour BEFORE ZD transferred. It’s absolute nonsense that a single guild tipped the balance and everyone knows it.

Exactly, BG already had beat SoR 6 out of ther last 7 matches together and still proceeded to add another guild to stack even further.

Liquid.9672:

Keep in mind a couple of things. ZDs was approached a good while ago from what I understand (I wasn’t involved). It was Season 1 and heavy EU queues that got them considering alternatives. They took a look, remembered their dialog with BG, saw that they would likely get to face off against IRON for 3 weeks, and decided playing (short or no queues) is better than not playing (long queues).

At the time they were approached, and I would argue even leading into Season 1, BG had a coverage hole it felt it needed to fill, which was SEA to EU. MERC had been covering the hole admirably for months, but overextending will wear on anyone, and ultimately it led to their decision to transfer to JQ where they could get the SEA support going into Season 1.

Also about morale. While BG had a bit of a morale boost after the first week win, many of us were very aware that Season 1 politics played a good sized part in that win. To be frank, while we maintained a very positive outlook on our chances, I think deep down there was a good chunk of us that really questioned whether we could beat SoR 1v1 or not. However, as of about midnight server time on Sunday night (turning into Monday) we started to surge and hit 400 PPT at 1am. Then the next morning the news broke that ZDs was going to begin transferring. Even though ZDs hadn’t even moved over yet, our surge plus that news lit a morale fire, and by midnight on Monday we had closed SoR’s lead to 2k. The mentality changed from “hmm I’m not sure” to “hell yeah we got this”. The next morning ZDs transferred and the rest is history. SoR’s morale fell while BG’s surged, and participation and effort moved in opposite directions for each server. BG played more and longer, while SoR played less and shorter (generalizing here).

My point is, all of us in T1 are “stacked”. Particularly when compared to other servers. People that play on those servers must look at our use of the word and think we’re all on crack. Winning at this point is determined who cares about it the most for the longest stretch of time.

BG won 6 out of the last 7 matches where it was BG/SoR/server x. 85.7% win percentage against SoR.

Why did BG feel they wouldn’t win?

Oh ya, that’s what they want everyone to believe.

Zikory.6871:

KeeZee.7312:

Still waiting for the BG post on how leagues aren’t fair because they ended up with the easiest schedule.

How does BG have the easiest schedule? Are you saying SoR has worse coverage then the 2 T2 servers JQ has to fight?

How does BG have the hardest schedule? Are you saying BG has worse coverage compared to SoR and JQ?