Guild Wars 2

azizul.8469:

KeeZee.7312:

Actinotus.6410:

KeeZee.7312:

Actinotus.6410:

Maybe if you work with these people rather than be hostile towards them you might encourage them to follow whatever commander is out there, get on server teamspeak, with the promise that it will contribute towards their achievement? Long-term rewards will be more WvW players already on your server rather than having to buy more guilds from elsewhere

WvW has been in the game for a year.

Many s pve’r didn’t play it.

Anet added easy achievements.

Now there is a massive influx into WvW.

Obviously they are there for the achievements, not the WvW.

Logical….I know.

WvW achievements. You can’t take SMC five times without doing some WvW.

Been watching the pve noobs repairing WC wall while its being trebbed from SM. No matter how many times you tell them to not drain the supply they ignore you and keep working on that achievement…../sigh

Even running it from the camp 30s away is not an option for them.

Got to get that achievement no matter what.

well, it was being trebbed. bound to fall anytime soon, might as well drain the supply smartly.

now who’s the noob….

Why would it fall, just take a wall down in SM, get to the outer wall under the treb and have the ranged take it out.

Or just give up like you.

Kiff.8157:

KeeZee.7312:

Kiff.8157:

KeeZee.7312:

gebrechen.5643:

That’s the way how it works. If SoR can’t get SBI they take BG. And as I said last matchup, BG and their fairweather guys weren’t online the whole week.
And SoR knows they will beat BG in their matchup because of their EU and OCX force.
BG will understand it some day.

As long as SoR takes first and JQ helps make it happen its all good.

You really are trying hard to suggest SOR to 2v1 BG so that JQ won’t get third.

Its obvious the BG/SoR aren’t gonna do anything but 2v1 JQ over some perceived rigging of the league.

If we are not gonna take first may as well decide who will get it. And since BG is the loudest QQ….gratz on the win SoR.

If SoR was smart they would be focussing on BG now.

Do you realize that you are the loudest QQer about JQ being 2v1 in this thread? (shhh….every home bl is getting 2v1 everyday, don’t tell others)

I think I forgot to mention I don’t care whether SOR or BG who gets first this week. I would love to see JQ come in third. Both SOR and BG will fight for the first anyways and so far this matchup has been so close and epic and I am having fun every night. I hope you do feel the same.
Perhaps when you are lecturing SOR on what they should be doing and that JQ is the result maker, the other servers might think they are the result maker as well.

cheers

I thought SoR was only in it for the fights?

I thought BG only wanted fair fights?

Perceived easy time for JQ and both SoR and BG give up what they constantly try to make everyone believe on the forums.

Cheers

Watching the new players repairing walls while still being trebbed is good for WvW. Then there will be no supply making it easier to flip and get more achievements.

Most of the transfers happened 2-3 weeks ago. There was not this mega queue like we have now.

They added easy to get achievements.

Now there is a queue like we never had before.

Being that the only change was the easy achievements that couldn’t be the reason.

I know I am making sense but don’t hold it against me.

Actinotus.6410:

KeeZee.7312:

Actinotus.6410:

Maybe if you work with these people rather than be hostile towards them you might encourage them to follow whatever commander is out there, get on server teamspeak, with the promise that it will contribute towards their achievement? Long-term rewards will be more WvW players already on your server rather than having to buy more guilds from elsewhere

WvW has been in the game for a year.

Many s pve’r didn’t play it.

Anet added easy achievements.

Now there is a massive influx into WvW.

Obviously they are there for the achievements, not the WvW.

Logical….I know.

WvW achievements. You can’t take SMC five times without doing some WvW.

Been watching the pve noobs repairing WC wall while its being trebbed from SM. No matter how many times you tell them to not drain the supply they ignore you and keep working on that achievement…../sigh

Even running it from the camp 30s away is not an option for them.

Got to get that achievement no matter what.

Actinotus.6410:

Maybe if you work with these people rather than be hostile towards them you might encourage them to follow whatever commander is out there, get on server teamspeak, with the promise that it will contribute towards their achievement? Long-term rewards will be more WvW players already on your server rather than having to buy more guilds from elsewhere

WvW has been in the game for a year.

Many s pve’r didn’t play it.

Anet added easy achievements.

Now there is a massive influx into WvW.

Obviously they are there for the achievements, not the WvW.

Logical….I know.

Cuddlepie.8109:

KeeZee.7312:

Cuddlepie.8109:

KeeZee.7312:

The only ones who think taking first would be tarnished are the sore losers….BG (ICOA).

If you think that a 30% easier draw in a competitive season is a good thing then I take it you’re WvWing for chests, finishers and AP?

The match-ups were decided by Anet. Not JQ. JQ shouldn’t feel their effort was tarnished because of something beyond their control.

Don’t expect you to understand that.

I don’t remember BG or SoR complaining when they threw matches to get a better match-up the last time Anet made changes to WvW.

But this is the forums where everyone plays the victim.

Take off the tinfoil hats, it doesn’t suit you.

Of course, you don’t expect me to “understand that”. But lets put your expectations and comprehension of my argument up against what I’ve posted in this thread:

Cuddlepie.8109:

In this season, BG and SOR play other top-half servers 6 times, JQ 4 times. That’s a 30% easier draw for the top server. JQ could split games against BG/SoR and still come out on top by dint of their assured wins against the lower half.

Of course, this isn’t JQ’s fault. It’s the hand they were dealt.

I’ve bolded the relevant bit to aid your reading.

This ties into what I’ve actually argued for and you’ve argued against. That JQ should be arguing on this forum for a redraw to make an even playing field. So, I think you’re wrong in your saying that “JQ shouldn’t feel their effort was tarnished because of something beyond their control.”

Of course they should. If you win a competition in which your competitors were starting 2 wins behind you then you should have the honesty and insight to admit that the win was not a pure one.

And I’d argue that the draw isn’t “out of their control”. If JQ posters, such as yourself, cared about competitive WvW then you’d be on here asking for a redraw, asking for the win to be put back into your control. Regardless of the result, you then can claim that you tried.

I’ve said in this thread that JQ can win S1 on its merits, I find it puzzling that JQ posters don’t appear to believe the same.

Sorry but if either BG or SoR had some perceived advantage they wouldn’t be posting that Anet needs to redo the new league.

They would be saying suck it up and deal with it.

There is a foul smell coming from your soap box.

Kiff.8157:

KeeZee.7312:

gebrechen.5643:

That’s the way how it works. If SoR can’t get SBI they take BG. And as I said last matchup, BG and their fairweather guys weren’t online the whole week.
And SoR knows they will beat BG in their matchup because of their EU and OCX force.
BG will understand it some day.

As long as SoR takes first and JQ helps make it happen its all good.

You really are trying hard to suggest SOR to 2v1 BG so that JQ won’t get third.

Its obvious the BG/SoR aren’t gonna do anything but 2v1 JQ over some perceived rigging of the league.

If we are not gonna take first may as well decide who will get it. And since BG is the loudest QQ….gratz on the win SoR.

If SoR was smart they would be focussing on BG now.

Keiel.7489:

A week or two of suffering to get potentially more WvWers depending on how your server treat these “newbies” is definitely worth it in the long run. So if you trash talk them and yell at them, when the ques are no longer there and you wonder why your server WvW Population sucks so bad compared to the other servers. you just have to look in the mirror.

WvW has been around since launch.

Please tell me why all of a sudden they are gonna like WvW.

Wishful thinking….they are their for the new rewards, not because they like WvW.

The ones who like WvW were already playing around in WvW before the new rewards.

gebrechen.5643:

That’s the way how it works. If SoR can’t get SBI they take BG. And as I said last matchup, BG and their fairweather guys weren’t online the whole week.
And SoR knows they will beat BG in their matchup because of their EU and OCX force.
BG will understand it some day.

As long as SoR takes first and JQ helps make it happen its all good.

phys.7689:

heres the problem with all these threads,

you guys want WvW to fail.

The truth is the more people who get involved with and who enjoy WvW, the better it really will get, the better it will be supported.

you guys are just mad because you had your own little corner and no one cared, so you had it to yourself, now, its being improved, and has become more rewarding so others are getting involved.

Why would Anet put time and effort into solving things like lag with many players and skill delay, if there is never a lot of people fighting? Why would they dedicate large amounts of resources to new maps, if they are doing it for a mode only 5% of the playerbase plays? Why would they continue if players who used to WvW 2 hours are slowly cutting their time to 10 minutes, and maybe an hour on weekends?

the truth is the more people who play and are interested in WvW, the better it will be, and the stronger future it has.

You guys want your apartment to be crappy and in a crime infested neighborhood so that no one comes there and rent is cheap, that type of thinking leads to you getting evicted when they close the building.

Instead of telling Anet to make WvW less appealing, tell them to make more maps, and new content. If anet sees that all servers generally can support more people, they are going to build in more new areas/expand etc. Try to think about more than just how long your queue was for the opening weekend of the biggest deal in Wvw since launch, and more about how to get even more players so that you will have a better game

WvW has been in the game for a year.

Many s pve’r didn’t play it.

Anet added easy achievements.

Now there is a massive influx into WvW.

Obviously they are there for the achievements, not the WvW.

Logical….I know.

Seigfried.5938:

Jet.4795:

And the 2v1 continues in JQBL…

on sorbl against bg too

Both BG and SoR have a wp in their Garrison. More coverage and focussing JQ……never.

Cuddlepie.8109:

KeeZee.7312:

The only ones who think taking first would be tarnished are the sore losers….BG (ICOA).

If you think that a 30% easier draw in a competitive season is a good thing then I take it you’re WvWing for chests, finishers and AP?

The match-ups were decided by Anet. Not JQ. JQ shouldn’t feel their effort was tarnished because of something beyond their control.

Don’t expect you to understand that.

I don’t remember BG or SoR complaining when they threw matches to get a better match-up the last time Anet made changes to WvW.

But this is the forums where everyone plays the victim.

Take off the tinfoil hats, it doesn’t suit you.

Andrew Clear.1750:

Luiz Swordbreaker.6547:

Chicho Gosho.6507:

Also this is the biggest WvW patch in what, 6 months? More? Of course people are going to play it. But it’s only the second day of the patch and you’re overreacting a lot.
I think after a couple of days it’ll get better. What do you think?

This is not the biggest WvW patch in 6 months, not in 1 month either, simply because it didn’t change WvW at all except for adding achievements and changing the matchup system

The wvw season is a great step in the right direction. You have an incentive to finish 1st and second now. None of this “Oh lets just focus on fights,” mentality.

I honestly can’t tell if you’re trolling, but I hope you are. “We gotta switch focus from playing because it’s fun to playing to get a reward”… really?

No trolling here. You are in a league, this is competition. 5 points, 3 points, 1 point. There is a big difference between 3 points and 1 point, during the course of a season.

If you are going to just run around and focus on fights, then you are gonna lose, plain and simple. You have to have ppt, and points to win.

You might want to focus on fights and cost your server victory, but not everybody does.

And, if 2v1 is done right, upsets can happen.

Cant take anyone serious who just stated they are in WvW for the rewards.

Hoots.9564:

Aurust.8961:

I just had to put this in here, cuz I was saving it for just this moment.

From AGG leader:

PredatoR.5247

The rumors upset our friends and I just wanted to verify that Aggression is going to stay on Jade Quarry possibly up to our last day on Gw2.

Guess this means AGG has officially stopped playing GW, shame they left GW so soon after seasons begun.

Methinks more WvW players are gonna look else where for PvP instead of dealing with queues. And it wont be transferring down servers.

Cuddlepie.8109:

NightShadow.1429:

I love how many are saying JQ should be in here kittening about the schedule, and I have to say I think we would be if we hadn’t been double fisted this entire week- If you guys had put on an actual fight instead of 2v1 the whole time, JQ probably wouldn’t be irked half as much at the current match up, and be more willing to come in and say hey, let’s change this. As it stands, I think we just want to watch you bash heads against one another for a bit.

In any 3 sided battle, 2 are going to focus 1 for a considerable portion of the contest. WvW is designed that way, drawing on the lessons of WAR and DAoC. It’s math and strategy.

Bear in mind that JQ comfortably won the last BG/SOR/JQ match and blew out their game against BG. JQ also has welfare run in S1 from the draw. It makes historical and strategic sense to focus JQ where possible. It might also help in JQ stopped paying its competition’s guilds to transfer over.

Regardless, JQ should be here in numbers asking for the season to be redone. Not necessarily because it would be a true test of everyone’s coverage, resilience and organisation. Not necessarily because it will result in the best fights. Not necessarily because it will reduce the ‘boring WvW blowouts that were complained about last week. But – if nothing else – to avoid tarnishing the S1 title they’re more than capable of winning on their own merits.

The only ones who think taking first would be tarnished are the sore losers….BG (ICOA).

Nuzt.7894:

TyPin.9860:

Vol.5241:

TyPin.9860:

1st: That’s an easy one. The game could simply record the time a player spends in PvE and WvW. Spawn and Cities are excluded from this. Maybe it could also count how many events are done in PvE and WvW. It then calculates how much percentage of your time you spend doing what. Some1 like me would get almost 100% WvW time. A PvE achievment hunter might get like 90% PvE time and 10% WvW time (just an example), giving him a low WvW queue priority.
2nd: You have to actually spend time playing WvW. Each time you spend playing PvE it lowers your percentage of WvW time.
3rd: It simply doesn’t. That’s not the aim. The aim is to give the WvW players their game mode back. I already admited the problem with players, who want to transition from PvE to WvW. But a completely new player, who didn’t spend time in any game mode, would have an equal percentage of PvE, PvP and WvW time by default. Please note that the whole queue problem should be solved with the Edge of the Mist map. Until then this system could help to get the WvW dedicated players back into WvW.

1.) That would result in players who want to WvW get discouraged from playing PvE. Why would Anet want to do that? People would then start to track the time spent per activity, which isn’t really the spirit of the game.
2.) Same as above
3.) I understand that’s the aim of queue priority but that interferes with the WvW game mode. WvW isn’t exclusive to a certain number of players.

The thing is right now I simply can’t play the game. As many others of my guild. You guys speek of encouraging and discouraging. You simply speak of a luxary, when the basics are not even down.

There are many ways how to track WvW activity. Why shouldn’t a player, who is dedicated to WvW, be able to play that game mode? A PvE achievment hunter just simply queues for WvW while he can play the other game mode (PvE) he enjoys. Me as a exclusive WvW player, I can not enjoy the game. It’s as simple as that.

It is not about making it exclusive. If designed right a not so much WvW dedicated player can enter WvW eventually, after he has done his PvE. You could implement a counter while queuing. Meaning the game will, after you queued for WvW, temporarily lower your PvE percentage over time in the statisitcs, so your WvW priority rises. After you have entered WvW, the statistics are back to the normal game time destribution.

That would simply give PvE players a longer queue.

After the new map has been introduced, the queue priority could still exist, so bringing PvE players to the new map. While the WvW dedicated players can enjoy what they like about the game. A now transitioning player from PvE to WvW can spend his time in the overflow map, until he reaches a high priority to be queued with a high priority for the real WvW maps.

So what about the brand new player that just went out and purchased the game after the free weekend for the sole purpose of playing WvW. Your argument is flawed, as I said a couple posts up, your time is no more important than anyone else’s time … the option to transfer is there.

Since he is a new player and he will start with 0 WvW and 0 PVE. Does WvW once and magically he now has a higher ratio of WvW to Pve. And gets in the priority list.

Simple.

Smokee.1754:

Vash.9183:

Avenge.1478:

Welcome to our new Italian friends [WIC]! Having fun running with you guys in BG BL.

Who? What? When? Why?

Prolly SoR – They need more EU

I am really hoping its JQ.

I hope its SoR. JQ has no hope at this point. JQ needs to support one of the two, may as well be SoR.

Cod on Cod.3694:

KeeZee.7312:

scootshoot.6583:

NICKEZ.3671:

There’s no question as to whether or not BG and SoR are working together against JQ, we can take it as a compliment though.

Sucks when you can’t pvdoor to victory like you been doin the last few weeks, eh?

Don’t blame us you guys didn’t play.

According to BG/SoR JQ is stacked and has better coverage but the present situation in WvW would say otherwise.

Hi KeeZee, and Welcome to WWW.

On the left you have history and meta. On the right you have statistics and graphs. Please feel free to nibble at all of it before engaging in PvF. Your disillusions will come of more convincing, if you add just a hint of knowing what the kitten is going on.

Thanks!

This is the BG/JQ/SoR thread. There is no such thing as fact. Only baseless accusations and tinfoil hats.

You should know that by now. Get with the program skippy.

Avenge.1478:

assasin of warr.9517:

srry to JQ for the dudes that runned inside woodhaven on jqbl they glitched through the door we said to jump out think most did

Watch out dude, JQ will likely say you were hacking and proceed to bring about 3 pages of crying over it.

Only if they glitch 5 times in 30 minutes and clear siege before leaving.

Only 200 more points before SoR takes the lead over BG. Come on JQ, keep the pressure on BG.

BG already said they were gonna lose so lets make their prediction come true.

scootshoot.6583:

NICKEZ.3671:

There’s no question as to whether or not BG and SoR are working together against JQ, we can take it as a compliment though.

Sucks when you can’t pvdoor to victory like you been doin the last few weeks, eh?

Don’t blame us you guys didn’t play.

According to BG/SoR JQ is stacked and has better coverage but the present situation in WvW would say otherwise.

eithinan.9841:

NICKEZ.3671:

There’s no question as to whether or not BG and SoR are working together against JQ, we can take it as a compliment though.

Don’t bother taking it as a compliment. Any effort by BG and SOR to put JQ into 3rd is a direct result of Anet making the Gold league schedule what it is. If anything JQ should be a little bit put off that the ease of their schedule is going to taint any gold league victory, if/when they win.

Not JQ’s fault that both BG and SoR decided to not show up for the last week or so and ended up where they did.

But that’s ok, BG wont be taking first or second.

JQ keeps taking points away from BG and let SoR have it. Since we have this amazingly easy schedule we will get our points in the other match-ups.

TyPin.9860:

Vol.5241:

OK well..

1.) How do we establish the difference between a WvW player and a PvE player?
2.) What is stopping a PvE player from masquerading as a WvW player to get priority?
3.) How exactly is this system going to encourage new players to get involved in WvW?

1st: That’s an easy one. The game could simply record the time a player spends in PvE and WvW. Spawn and Cities are excluded from this. Maybe it could also count how many events are done in PvE and WvW. It then calculates how much percentage of your time you spend doing what. Some1 like me would get almost 100% WvW time. A PvE achievment hunter might get like 90% PvE time and 10% WvW time (just an example), giving him a low WvW queue priority.
2nd: You have to actually spend time playing WvW. Each time you spend playing PvE it lowers your percentage of WvW time.
3rd: It simply doesn’t. That’s not the aim. The aim is to give the WvW players their game mode back. I already admited the problem with players, who want to transition from PvE to WvW. But a completely new player, who didn’t spend time in any game mode, would have an equal percentage of PvE, PvP and WvW time by default. Please note that the whole queue problem should be solved with the Edge of the Mist map. Until then this system could help to get the WvW dedicated players back into WvW.

Why would anyone who has been doing WvW want to all of a sudden have to play in the test server. The test server is not WvW, has no bearing on WvW at all.

I’ll log out before playing on the test server.

Smokee.1754:

KeeZee.7312:

JQ, just focus BG for the rest of the match-up. If SoR attacks our keeps let them have the points. If BG attacks SoR attack BG and stop them.

JQ may not take fisrt but BG will get third.

Congratz on SoR for being the winners.

Since BG is all kitten because they didn’t want to play the weeks before and ended up with what they think is the short end of the stick make their QQ come true.

Give SoR the win, give BG 3rd.

You mad?

Slightly. But since BG/SoR have made it clear that they intend to 2v1 us may as well make the most of it and pick which one of those 2 take first.

And since your spokesman from Icoa Kin Rage was so quick to QQ, let it be SoR.

JQ, just focus BG for the rest of the match-up. If SoR attacks our keeps let them have the points. If BG attacks SoR attack BG and stop them.

JQ may not take fisrt but BG will get third.

Since BG is all kitten because they didn’t want to play the weeks before and ended up with what they think is the short end of the stick make their QQ come true.

Give SoR the win, give BG 3rd.

styx.7294:

If you don’t like WvW on your server (or can’t play on it), maybe try another server. That’s been the advice since launch.

Who wants to pvdoor? The reason why many flock to T1 is for the 24/7 coverage. Others have tried and when they came back to T1 they said it was fun until everyone went to bed and they spent the rest of the evening beating on doors.

Or when they went to bed there was no coverage so everything they fought for was flipped thus diminishing their effort.

Tongku.5326:

KeeZee.7312:

And they will leave once said achievements are done. Like I said earlier, they have had a year already to try it and like it. Adding achievements isn’t going to change this.

Wrong. It is changing it. Perhaps on your server it does not but do not generalize because it is changing on mine.

You have to realize that it will not be all of them of course, but a certain percentage and focus on that.

What steps have you taken to be a part of that positive change ? Has your WvW guild leader contacted any of the PvE guild leaders and are you guys hanging out in your VOIP ? Are you giving pointers and training the new people ? Are you showing them how to have a blast in WvW ? Or are you just spewing crap at them in map chat ?

How will it change? Do you think all the new people flooding into WvW are new players period? No, most are the same players that enjoyed doing pve for the last year and obviously didn’t want to do WvW.

The only change to WvW is the new achievements. How you cannot see the link between this is beyond me.

The new achievements has created a situation where the regular players of WvW that have been in there over the last year find themselves unable to enjoy the part of the game they enjoy.

All I keep seeing is we have the right to be there to so screw you. I find it unacceptable that the new players feel they have a right to be there at the expense of the players that have been in there for the last year.

But none of the new players will care, they just want their achievements.

Nothing sarcastic about WvW has been in the game since launch comment.

No one can deny that since the addition of the new achievements the Queues have increased many times more than what they were before.

The new achievements is the only thing that changed with the newly renamed League system.

WvW is the temp test server for Anet’s expansion into China.

Enjoy your new achievements as a thank-you.

Doing the jumping puzzle is not getting into WvW to actually participate in WvW.

The fact that you don’t know the difference proves my point.

And the fact that the reason you have to visit it more often is the new achievements again proves my point.

I agree, you should stop posting.

The new influ of people had a full year to try and like WvW. Guess what, they didn’t want to.

They are only there for the achievements at the expense of the players who have been doing WvW for the last year.

Oliver.4017:

What I don’t understand, is that WvWers won’t allow new people come into WvW. I mean talk about being a little selfish? Just because you haven’t done WvW before doesn’t mean you suck. There is nothing wrong with PvE or PvP players to come in and play WvW.

Now to the achievements. There have already been achievements before hand for WvW. So thats really not the issue. Sure, the achievements prolly attracted a lot of player but is that the underlying cause?

I believe WvW Season 1 is a great addition becuase it is encouraging more players to play WvW. I can’t think of a single thing wrong with that. WvW is fun. Just becuase there are more experienced WvWers doesnt mean only they can play WvW and screw anyone else who wants to try. Believe it or not EVERYONE was a new player at WvW at one time or another. Would you like it if all these people cam e yelling at you and saying “Your new! Get out of here! You came from PvE! You don’t know what you are doing!” In all honesty, its kinda rude. And thats an understatement.

All in all, relax. Queues are not the end of the world. A-net saw the problem with WvW queues and that’s why they are making the “Edge of the Mists” Map. I’m in silver Tier and I have not had any problems getting into ANY of the maps, but it might be me. Maybe I’m ooober lucky.

Thank you for letting me voice my opinion. I hope those new to WvW will become more experienced and help assist your server. I also hope those older to WvW will become more accepting to new players to WvW, maybe help them out. MAKE THEM BETTER PLAYERS. Because in the end, your server will do better. So, PvE or achievers, it doesnt matter. They are still new to WvW and they still have to become a part of WvW. Welcome them, and appreciate them, don’t push them away. Hope everyone has fun! Enjoy the game! And see you ingame!

Side note: The Ruins actualy help in WvW and they are not the only achievement btw
Side note 2: I haven’t had a problem on my server with 20+ people ignoring a garrison to obtain ruins…
Side note 3: You guys complain about the ruins a lot. Do you realize that ruins give you bonuses? Commanders, tell groups of 5-10 to constantly be flipping ruins. DO you want your rivals to have that bonus? Honestly Id prefer to have a bonus than my rival, but that might be just me o.O

WvW with achievements has been in the game since launch. The influx of people in WvW didn’t participate in WvW for a full year. Do you really think they are there for the pvp.

You really cant be that stupid to believe that……..could you?

JQ should just focus BG to help give SoR the win.

AvengerCap.7983:

“It was the hacking of our bay back in T2 on a repeated basis by a certain BG guild which started the BG/SoR rivalry. Since then BG has become a server which not only manages its members well but is quite apologetic for any type of hacking or exploiting. I have a lot of respect for that server to be quite frank. What is happening now with certain guilds is disheartening from a competitors viewpoint. Doing certain shady moves and using the rivalry between BG and SoR in the hopes the historic bias of our server will not change. But as far as I’m concerned, there is no more BG/SoR rivalry, let it officially be put to bed. And let the games begin fresh with the new season”

- Indo

SoR knows about guilds that hack. Can you say Fear and HL.

HL…Ya, it was an accident that we hacked into NW tower on JQBL 5 times in less than an hour.

Nanyetah Elohi.4852:

Noobix.3958:

This is to all the people kittening and whining about long queue times and those kitten ed achievement whorin’ PvEers taking up valuable spots for more pro, more deserving, more elite hardcore WvWers.

Please take a second to think for a minute about the opportunity that has been presented to the WvW gamemode and community here. Arenanet have provided us with an unprecedented influx of new players. This will rejuvinate WvW on lower tier servers like nothing before. It is now up to YOU, yes, YOU to mentor these players and ‘convert’ them into WvW players. Help them see the beauty of the finest part of the game. Teach them. ‘This is why we dont take supply from towers, these are fire fields and these are the skills you need to use to ’blast’ them.’ Dont berate them in mapchat for grinding camp guards doing JPs etc etc.

Suffer the lag for now. Suffer the huge queues for now. Once everything dies down in a week or two it will all be worth it. I guarantee every server will have a noticably larger WvW playerbase after this league. The key will be which servers that gain the most.

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Many of the new players want to learn just like we did when we started. People are afraid to ask questions so we should volunteer basic info in chat more. Spell it out. Not just shout angry “Don’t take supply!!” say “Don’t take supply from an objective that is being upgraded.” Not shout “DO NOT PV DOOR THIS TIME!” say “Wait for the commander to tell us when to attack the gate so orange swords only show on the map when we are ready for the enemy to know we are here.” etc

No the new players do not want to learn. They have had a year to get into WvW and give it a go. They are there for the easy achievements/rewards. The only thing different in WvW is the addition of the easy rewards/achievements.
They all didn’t just wake up and decide they like WvW.

Agricola.2817:

KeeZee.7312:

Agricola.2817:

Bunnehboo.6025:

Draygo.9473:

I have no sympathy for you. SoR encouraged guilds to transfer to them. You get what you ask for.

You stack your server you suffer the consequences.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/recruitment/T1-SOR-Looking-For-Late-NA-OCN-SEA-WvWers

Sicne your in a guild Apath Inc shouldnt you be minding your own business in game and not caring what other ppl do or complain about?

I saw your post before you edited it, you seem really upset about your server stacking.

You’re in tier 1, its going to happen, but I thought you guys would of expected and accepted this along time ago with your constant calls for more numbers. There are plenty of servers that need people if you want lower queues.

The players in T1 do not want to transfer to a server where you fight sometimes and spend most of the time doing pvdoor. If that’s what they wanted they have transferred long ago.

The mega-queues are not due to transfers as the majority of the transfers were done weeks ago.

The mega-queues on t1 servers is largely a result of adding easily obtainable achievements into WvW causing people who had a year to play WvW and didn’t flocking in to get the easy achievements. They couldn’t care about WvW.

Well if you want to blob then accept it. Just think of all those PVEers getting to have their first taste of pressing 1 constantly, you never know they might become regulars and you’ll have even more people.

WvW has been in game since launch. If the were interested in WvW they would have tried and enjoyed it by now.

The mass influx of people in WvW since reset are not there for WvW. They want the rewards from the achievements.

The people who enjoy WvW have been doing so since launch and there never was an issue of mega-queues like there is now.

The only change was the achievements/rewards. The new players are there for the achievements/rewards. They didn’t all wake up Friday and decide that all of a sudden they want to WvW.

rhapsody.3615:

KeeZee.7312:

WvW has been in the game since launch. If they didn’t want to do it by now adding achievements is not going to change that.

All they are going to do is as little as possible to get the achievements and then get out.

I’ve always dabbled in wvw, though I’m not a “regular” there, and I do the JP’s about once per week anyway. With the new achievements, I’m going in daily and following a commander around while trying to learn more about strategies used as well as work out a build that I’m comfortable with. So yes, the achievements have made me, personally, more interested in wvw, especially with the karma flowing in, and I certainly want to pull my weight. Don’t be quick to discount players going in for achievements. You’ve got to spend a while in wvw to get them all and that will help players get a feel for whether or not they enjoy wvw.

And yes, plenty of players will be in to get their achievements and get out… Im just don’t like the attitude of the OP. If jp’s are really causing the queue, you should see it get better after a few days, but I suspect the queue is from the other achievements, like claiming sentry points, killing dokyaks, capping supply camps, etc mixed with the fun of seeing so many other players on the map.

The only change is the addition of easy obtainable achievements with rewards.

You have had a year to get in WvW and learn the ins and out. You chose to only enter when you needed to do the jump puzzle.

Don’t hold it against me if I don’t believe you when you say all of a sudden you are into WvW.

Agricola.2817:

Bunnehboo.6025:

Draygo.9473:

I have no sympathy for you. SoR encouraged guilds to transfer to them. You get what you ask for.

You stack your server you suffer the consequences.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/recruitment/T1-SOR-Looking-For-Late-NA-OCN-SEA-WvWers

Sicne your in a guild Apath Inc shouldnt you be minding your own business in game and not caring what other ppl do or complain about?

I saw your post before you edited it, you seem really upset about your server stacking.

You’re in tier 1, its going to happen, but I thought you guys would of expected and accepted this along time ago with your constant calls for more numbers. There are plenty of servers that need people if you want lower queues.

The players in T1 do not want to transfer to a server where you fight sometimes and spend most of the time doing pvdoor. If that’s what they wanted they have transferred long ago.

The mega-queues are not due to transfers as the majority of the transfers were done weeks ago.

The mega-queues on t1 servers is largely a result of adding easily obtainable achievements into WvW causing people who had a year to play WvW and didn’t flocking in to get the easy achievements. They couldn’t care about WvW.

Nappy.4735:

I feel it is significantly more meaningful. I’ve always been a wvw player, but now with improved rank rewards and objective (achievement) rewards, I don’t feel like I have to pve as much for my wvw gear. This was one of our biggest complaints, it was rightfully addressed, and now we kitten?

Still, I’m not a fan of the ruins or the skill lag, but the influx of people to wvw is a good thing for the longevity of the game format. I think the dev team did a good job with this one.

You are assuming the influx of people are their for WvW.

Facts
Achievements have been in WvW since launch.
WvW has been in the game since launch.
All these new players have had a year to try WvW.

Anet introduced easy achievements and all of a sudden there is a mass influx of people.

Are they there because they like WvW or because they want the achievements?

Ricky.4706:

@vince – a zerg of 20 in ascended gear ( which legendaries share same higher attributes ) does make a difference. 1 item isn’t much, but – 2 ascended earrings, 2 rings, an amulet and a weapon on 20-30 people in a zerg is a lot.

Coming up against a pve zerg with pve stats and pve builds begets me a whole lot of bags.

Its the dawn of the rally bots.

UrbanMonarch.1028:

The achievements in WvW when Gw2 came out are pretty large and hard to get. These are more reasonable (maybe even to easy). But I do like it because it gets PVE people to try it.

Its been a year, if they didn’t want to try WvW during the year do you think adding easy achievements are magically going to make them like it?

They are going to get in, join the biggest zerg possible to get the achievements as quick as possible then get out.

The WvW players who have been playing for the last year…….who cares how they now are finding it hard to enjoy the part of the game they have enjoyed for the last year.

Super Kruegs.8967:

Lag is what it always was too many in one area it’s going to happen that’s not PVE players fault. I said it before in another thread, but as guild leader there are tons of new recruits out there, and from i’m seeing a lot of these people are loving W3. They never tried it before, and we’re getting more player overall playing W3 than before and to me that’s a good thing. How the T1 kittens didn’t see this coming is beyond me. I’m on FA and i was worried about potential ques. T1 broke the match ups against any other server and hopefully this will force a de-stack though i doubt it.

Achievements have been in WvW since launch.

Why weren’t they in WvW for the last year getting them?

Only change was they made the achievements easy to get and added rewards.

Are the people in WvW now because they like WvW or they want the achievements.

The answer is obvious.

Banzie.5248:

nerovergil.5408:

lordkrall.7241:

I think you misunderstood my post.
What I said was that there are more than a few guilds that have 30+ active members in WvW.

Then add more maps.

Maps take a long time to create, code and bug fix. Let alone adding in npc code etc. Unless you want just simple copy paste maps so each server has 2 bls, or maybe 2 Ebs. That doesnt work. Many low pop servers can only have presence on eb and their borderlands. The solution is to destack, stacked servers. Or wait til 2014 sometime for the overflow map./

The test server isn’t going to help. It has no impact on the WvW game. Its a test server for their launch into China, which has much larger guilds.

Anet needed to get as many people into WvW now to start the stress testing so they came up with the idea of adding easy achievements into WvW to get as many pve players into WvW as possible.

WvW already had achievements (many the same as the new easy ones). There was no mass influx of pve players going for them.

The mega-queue times were not created by WvW players moving to BG/JQ/SoR. Those guilds moved weeks ago and there was no mad influx the night before.

The queues/skill lag were present before the leagues and adding the achievement hunters just made the problem worse 10 fold. But this is “working as intended” as Anet needs to stress test the servers now b4 launching into China.

Caroline.4987:

You knew what queues WERE like. There’s your problem. You assumed queues are going to be the same forever. A little forward thinking would have told you that WvW Season 1 was going to ratchet up the queues.

Oh c’mon. You guys up in T1 country were even WARNED. Devon himself posted it, and you guys were like “Oh, queues aren’t like that. Don’t overstate it. You don’t know your own game. Your numbers are wrong. Come, keep stacking our server! The queues are a myth!”

Did nobody up there actually stop to calculate that for the few hundred, to maybe couple thousand WvW players a server has, even the most WvW loaded server in NA like SoR, they have four to six times as many PvErs, and realized the T1 queue times would be made four to six times worse because of that?

Maybe next time a dev says something on the forums, actually listen instead of just bashing him.

So what you are saying is the people in T1 who have been playing WvW since it went live a year ago are getting what they deserve for playing WvW all this time?

Ya, they should all move down to the empty servers so they can PvDoor to their hearts content. Maybe every once in awhile they will actually be able to fight someone.

ykyk.2740:

Does Anet force people at gunpoint to transfer? Doubt it. Nobody who transferred for the leagues can legitimately complain about queues – you are just dumb if you didn’t expect something like this to happen. As for the original residents – tough luck.

Transfers didn’t happen just on the Thursday before. The majority of the guilds who moved up did so weeks ago and we knew what queues were like. No one was complaining.

The mega-queues are 100% due to the amount of achievement hunters flocking into WvW atm.

UrbanMonarch.1028:

The fact that many guilds before the leagues moved to the overpopulated servers. The overpopulated servers even paid for many guilds to go up there. I know its a pain with so many people but maybe consider moving to other servers instead of the top servers?

I know its wrong of me to say this but this might force people to spread out now. I played on reset night with no problems to get into any map and no lag. My fights are fairly small and even if they get large I have no problems. You might want to consider this.

There are guilds that logout so they bring down the population so they can get more people in to their server to me you are causing your own problems.

Also Anet is doing the overflow WvW maps so that might help you all out.

The length of the queues is not due to ppl moving up to T1. They moved weeks before, they didn’t all just move the Thursday before.

The mega-queues are due to the influx of achievement hunters. And this will not force the people who have been doing WvW for the last year to lower pop servers where they can pvdoor.

This will force them to look outside of GW2 for another pvp game.

style.6173:

That’s like saying I shouldn’t be allowed to do a PvE event because I spend most of my time in WvW. The OP’s comment is elitest and just wrong.

Everyone should have known that queues would be long for this league. It wasn’t hard to figure out. So many people instead bandwagoned to higher tier servers. They get what they deserve. The queues are not bad at all on the lower tiers.

The long queues are not caused just by people moving to the servers in Gold league. Everyone knew days before it went live what the queues were. People didn’t all move there just on Thursday the day before.

They queues have doubled/tripled due to the influx of PvE players looking for achievements.

sostronk.8167:

In all honesty, Ive moved around a fair bit. Some of the most enjoyable fights I have had in game are on low tier servers. The fights in T1 are lame 99% of the time. If I wasn’t committed to the guild I was in, I would consider moving. But I am and they aint moving. It certainly seems like a good option though and Im surprised more guilds dont do it.

More guilds don’t move because once they go down they realize the good fights are too far apart and they spend most of the time pvdoor.

If people wanted to do the small scale fights they would be in SPvp/TPvp and that’s what you find most once you leave T1.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

They should really just randomly reassign half the players in the gold league to bronze servers and permanently lock all transfers.

magically, all latency and queue issues disappear overnight!

This would result in a lot of the WvW player base leaving the game.

If someone hasn’t joined WvW in the year its been live adding achievements isn’t going to make them like it.

Its just going to make them kitten ed off that they need to do something they don’t want to do.