Guild Wars 2

Geoski.1407:

Bad idea, SUCH a bad idea, i mean come on..

I spent almost 100g xferring servers to find the perfect wvw setting for me.

I’ve been to T1, its too much lag because of the overpopulation. If i get stuck in that again then I will say goodbye to wvw for a long time.

People spend hard earned gold to xfer for a reason, we don’t want random matchups, especially when servers differ in population to such degrees.

This is unneeded and such a bad idea, all the top guilds i’m in cahoots with agree.

Come on A-net… read our comments, don’t make a drastic mistake after all your improvements. This will do way more damage to the player base then it will to see if its worth seeing “Is this T1 server better than this T8 server hmmmmmMMMmmmmMMMMMMMMmmm!!!??”

First off, T1 vs. T8 can’t happen. In a perfect storm (rarely) a T1 server will face a T3 server.

Second, it IS needed and your transfers are evidence of that. There aren’t that many GOOD matchups out there. T1 NA is apparently a good fight based on all the posts of people who are not wanting to give that up. T6 NA seems like it’s getting pretty close, even though the same server wins every week. But what about:
- T5 where 2 servers are giving up because they don’t stand a chance after 3 months of the same match while the top server is slowly dying of boredom?
-T4 where one server wins by 100k each week but the point spread is such that the ratings only move by less than 2 points for all servers involved?
- T1 EU where two servers spent over a month getting beaten by 200k every week so that they could finally get a chance at moving out of the tier to face someone new?

The sample set is not limited to that either. This ratings system has the natural tendency to even ratings between opponents and not allow for movement. The artificial point gaps between tiers don’t reflect the actual abilities of the servers involved in many cases.

I would also argue that by abandoning tiered matchups that we will see people move around and settle in more evenly. Many of the T1 and T2 NA servers have had a steady influx of players looking for specific match conditions. They aren’t there to be loyal to a server. If those match conditions cease to exist on a weekly basis, they have already demonstrated their willingness to move on. I don’t see any reason to doubt they will do so again.

I strongly believe that this idea fixes a lot of things for the players who were affected the most by the deficiencies of the previous system. It will transfer some similar effects to other servers in the short term, but if that’s what it takes to get a more exciting matchup then I don’t see why some servers shouldn’t be willing to sit through a few blowouts in either direction in order to help out the rest of the servers that have been suffering for so long. Contrary to popular belief at the top of the ladder, there are a lot of very dedicated WvW players below T2. We deserve a chance at good fights as much as you do.

Dovgan.8605:

Drett.7564:

Dovgan.8605:

I can only hope EBay players somehow improve. What do you do when you outman and outnumber your opponent 2 to 1? Simple answer, run like a terrified schoolgirl back to siege, because you know how lacking your players are in skill. However it IS fun to pick you smart and skilled EBayers off. Honestly I see more skilled players on BP, many more. I see an Ebay player, and the first thing I have to do is wait to see how many are running in tow.

P.S. I enjoyed the ## vs 3 in Panglos earlier, I say ## because I stopped counting at 10. You really showed that three people can easily last quite a while on 4+ to 1 odds as long as the opponents have no clue what they are doing.

Everything in this is LOL, you should write childrens stories too. What a great imagination.

There isn’t a joke in that post, well, there IS one. It’s a server I mention 3 times. But head on out to Eternal, I could use your badges too.

In your words

Bay hugging skills are still skills.

I’m glad that beating on puggles in EBG gives you so much pleasure. But on the ‘I stopped counting at 10’ story I feel compelled to play the “pics or it didn’t happen” card… even pugs rarely lose that kind of matchup.

Evilzara.6378:

Tier 4 = Ebay/Yaks bend/Stormbluff Isle = Winner Ebay
Tier 5 =AR/Darkhaven/Crystal Desert = Winner CD
Tier 6 = BP/Sorrows Furnace/ Northern Shiverpeaks = Winner BP

That’s how it’ll look like if the scores stay like they currently are. I’m excited we might vs NSP and SF again.

Edit: The winners are just in my opinion, I don’t mean to offend anyone.

I think that those were just an example of what could happen under the new system, although that would be my dream matchup right now for T4.

I wouldn’t fear CD in T5 if I was either BP or AR. CD has reportedly lost a fair number of oceanic players, and their NA presence is not that strong… as in lower than or even with AR normal weekday numbers.

Unfortunately it only goes live for the matches of the 31st, so the 3 of us get to dance one last time before we hopefully go our separate ways. Lets make next week a week to remember!

Timewarp.3819:

Khayoss.2019:

Why would you complain about this?!?! This is great! Some matchups will be roflstomps, fine…

While I agree being locked into the same match-ups gets stale, at least there is some amount of give and take. A chance. “Roflstomp” matches are not fine however. In fact, they certainly will cause people to stop WvWing for the remainder of the week, or completely altogether.

A.Net wanting to shake things up, and collect better data is a great thing. I just hope they are able to strike an acceptable balance between variety and actual competition.

I don’t know what stroke of luck you have had to not have faced Roflstomp matches yet, but these matches very much already exist in combination with our presently stagnant matchups. This won’t be a new problem introduced by match variation.

My tier is a prime example where EBay dropped to T5 10 weeks ago. The first week we lost due to some of our major guilds taking a break. Since then it’s been 9 wins in a row, and there has been absolutely zero chance involved in that for either server we have faced. In fact, last week BP and AR formed an alliance to bring some new flavor to the matchup, and while it made reset weekend more challenging we still ended up winning by 80k and 100k respectively. And what you say is true already about people giving up. AR especially has been completely demoralized, and a once promising opponent has essentially been pounded into submission with weeks upon weeks of lopsided losses without any hope for a better matchup.

Darkhaven below us wants nothing to do with the matchup either, despite our best attempts to move one of our opponents out of the tier to infuse new life to the match… and while we would have to make a concentrated effort to lose, there’s pretty much nothing we can do to win by a large enough margin to bring us out of the tier because T4 is locked into a holding pattern where SoS wins every week by a large margin, but not large enough to actually change any ratings. Best case scenario under the current system, we have another month of winning by 100-150k per week while our opponents bleed players to demoralization and maybe T4 lets us in.

I know everyone’s all abuzz about what will happen when a T1 server faces a T3 server, but you have to look outside of that bubble. There are a lot of stagnant matchups that are bleeding WvW players because there is literally no hope, ever. The ratings that are locking these tiers are not accurate representations of those servers, as the dev response said, and we need the variation to establish exactly where we all should be before we can tighten up the variation and settle things down. If it takes some people getting their kitten handed to them on the way that is no different to what happens now. The only difference is that it might be servers who aren’t use to it, and pardon me while I don’t feel sorry for their temporary discomfort.

Why would you complain about this?!?! This is great! Some matchups will be roflstomps, fine. That’s better than facing the same two servers for 3 months. Especially when that 3 month matchup has the exact same outcome every week! I’d love to get my kitten kicked by someone.

Locked tiers were terrible, we need the variation to get some true ratings. They can fine tune the variation as we go along, but this is an excellent way to start. Two HUGE thumbs up from myself, and judging by the reaction on our server forum that goes for all of EBay’s WvW community too. I’m fairly sure AR and BP share our sentiments as well.

Can we worry about riding dolyaks first? Then once they give us that then we can ask for mounted weaponry.

I must be missing something. I don’t understand why having a ton of ranks now before they are rewarded is a bad thing… ranks take the same amount of WXP to complete right? So whether you gain them all on one character or spread them across multiple characters you will still have about the same number of ranks. If you gain them on a secondary character instead, then you have to gain the same number of ranks total, but spread across multiple characters, in order to harvest all of the double rewards.

Being higher rank on one character just means you get double rewards for longer as you play that character, does it not? In the end, isn’t it the same thing?

The extent of my PvE experience is basically limited to solo capping supply camps in WvW, but I don’t find them useless at all there. I don’t pay a lot of attention to the passives, although they do help some. Stone giving pet and myself invuln to direct damage buys time between heals when time is of the essence and I have to try to drop 3-4 veterans all at once.

Stability for entering keeps under siege coupled with the active from stone is great as well as very useful in the open field. If I’m defending from a structure I will try to take the time to swap my slot skills to be more appropriate, but even from a wall sometimes popping 3 signers so that you can get to the edge and unload on a target while under heavy fire is nothing to scoff at.

WvW-wise I really love signets.

For the OP, I could be wrong because I have never really looked closely at the damage at this part of the effect. Signet of the Wild is kind of a “power” signet when active, isn’t it?

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

On that topic, Back items?

Oooh, yes please! Hadn’t even thought about that, but ascended back items in WvW would make me so happy! Still rocking exotic because FoTM never really did it for me…

Do we have any info on what, if anything, will be changing about the ranger in the next patch yet? Is our longbow getting any love?

I’m sitting on nearly 90 laurels and I’m kind of holding off on spending them to see if any changes to our class would affect how I would spend them.

Guardians have been very hard for me to kill in the past. Since I have been experimenting with the axe they have gotten a bit easier though. Chill on axe 3 plus chill on one of my pets I have found gives me a couple of windows to bring them down when timed right. I still find them very difficult, but I’ve won more fights lately than I had in the past. Chill is one of my favorite weapons at the moment…

That’s about all I can give ya, hope that plus what everyone else above says helps.

Aphix.9846:

So how will I get my chests, my main’s rank 155 and now I’ve decided to level up another char for wvw. Will I get 2 chests per rank on my new warrior ? Or the only way to get my chests is to play my main untill rank 300+…

I’m fairly sure that the character who is rank 155 will be getting 2 chests per level for his next 154 wxp levels, and the other character who has however many ranks will receive 2 chests for however many ranks he has gained up until this point independently from the first character. The wxp totals and rewards are character-bound, so it would make most sense that any retroactive rewards would follow suit.

OliverLogan.7145

Kicking myself for spending most of my badges before this announcement. /facepalm

There’s always more badges! I bought just over 40 golems and a new set of armor after the last patch brought nothing too exciting, but I have another ~1000 badges waiting for this patch already… hoping that’ll be enough for a piece or two!

Just wanted to say that our thoughts and prayers are with the people being affected by those tornados. We have a couple of members we are waiting to hear from and I’m sure others know IRL or via game/TS people who may have been in that area.

We hope to hear from you all soon!

You guys see the scores in euro T9? We think our tier is stuck but Blacktide has already put up about 100k points to the other two servers 15k and 10k, and they are still not moving into the next tier. As bad as we need a change, there’s others who have it even worse… Glicko patch can’t come soon enough.

Jinks.2057:

raenen.5807:

Here’s a video of Kalkz finding out the alliance with AR is over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55IejTl4so8

Is it over? Is AR going to play for themselves this week????

Dunno we’ll see

Not that my opinion counts for anything, this alliance has me somewhat undecided as to how I see it. I think we can all agree that EBay felt challenged by it over the weekend , which is really good for us, and we got our kitten together because of it…. No more half assing reset weekend especially

On the other hand, the outcome was basically the same in the end. We lost nothing and gained nothing, you two swapped places as is tradition, and the scores reflect past weeks almost to a letter. If it gains nothing, and as many AR have say that they don’t play for score or rank and that they dislike our overwhelming numbered zergball, then they are sacrificing the opportunity to fight a more evenly numbered enemy for no gain.

In the end, i guess it doesn’t really make a difference to us what you do. Either way, can you guys at least kind of do a repeat of last Saturday before going your separate ways? Was really fun playing defense like that.

Maybe instead of giving any kind of buff, orbs of power can be used to upgrade the keep lord that holds it to legendary dragons…? :O

multivira.7925:

The problem is, you get punished for having good strategies as you’ll end up in higher tiers.

Glicko does a pretty good job of preventing that…

Dio.2394:

nothing.7941:

Ralathar.7236:

Also, I do believe you managed to rustle your own jimmies.

Is this some British thing or what? Never heard it before viewing tier 5 match threads.

verb (used with object)
4.
to move or stir so as to cause a rustling sound: The wind rustled the leaves.
5.
to move, bring, or get by energetic action: I’ll go rustle some supper.
6.
to steal (livestock, especially cattle).

Jimmies: slang for a man’s equipment.

I think somewhere along the lines firing up people in the “This is SPARTA” style went off in a bold, but not entirely unexpected, direction.

The complete history of jimmy rustling

Rashagal.5867:

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I tried to type it out so that I’d answer each part of your post, but between you quoting me and me quoting you it got messy, so I’ll just type my answer. Sorry.

I’m in PST, and it’s habit to communicate everything in server time in my guild because we span so many time zones. Server time is also PST, so that’s what we use as our reference. You are obviously EST, which is why you see the world so differently to me. It’s something I’ve pointed out previously in this matchup too, BP is heavier in EST while EBay’s primetime is a bit offset to yours because we are CST/PST heavy.

I will say that your post had me doubting my sanity for about 15 minutes. But to be honest I didn’t reference MOS when writing it, I’m just going off of memory. I went back and found this picture of 100% on reset night that shows it from my point of view… It was actually before 2am for us when we finished it off, not 2:20 as I posted. I think I actually might have gone to bed at 2:20, which is what I was mixing up.

For the second part, I apologize because I messed up my am’s and pm’s, and the timeline I was explaining wasn’t very clear beyond that so let me fix:
We took AR hills on Tuesday night at some point – I believe it was around 11:30pm/2:30am but I can’t find the post on our forum at the moment with the timestamp so that’s give or take. I know we had the WP set at around 8am PST Wednesday morning because that’s when I got up and started helping with the rest of AR’s BL. By roughly noon Wednesday we owned the whole BL. At around 4pm we started the WP upgrade in AR garrison, and by the time I got home from work we owned all of BP as well with a waypoint in their Bay from that 3 guild golem rush. That was held until around 2am when BP took back the majority of their BL, however we held AR for the rest of the night and all the way up to roughly noon of Thursday.

That makes a long stretch of capture and hold in enemy borderlands that spans from late night Tuesday all the way to midday Thursday during which time we also captured EBG and held everything of importance at home. So that’s my whole point. The 80-100k lead we currently hold isn’t possible simply by holding big leads for small 4 hour windows when your crew isn’t online, and then drawing even for the rest of the time. Those windows are part of the story, but it’s not fair to say that they are THE reason why we are leading.

I understand that what I said could have been misconstrued as insulting, but coverage =/= skill. And by no means was I intending to state that your abundance of coverage resulted in a lack of skill. Had that been the case, you would have the same score as us.

Not insulting at all. And I hope you understand that this isn’t bragging. I’m just not on board with the idea that we gain our lead only when the other two servers are defenseless. Those timeframes pad the lead for sure, but without them there would still be a lead.

I like more maps moreso than larger maps, although I’d take the larger maps too… Making maps bigger would not stop the zergs, they would just have to cover more ground. It would give some more advantage to the servers that are more willing to space themselves out though. More maps, if the overall population caps didn’t increase too much as well, would do more to force a zerg to split to cover the possibilities.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

You exist in a tier where a vast number of dedicated WvW players have caved and moved from BP and AR to EB.

That’s news to me… which of the dedicated guilds/members of BP and AR joined EBay?

Dio.2394

It’s not a new zone, it has been around for awhile. But it is a level 80 zone with no hearts and lots of events and lots of tough mobs.

Interesting, thanks nothing and Dio for the answers. Maybe I’ll go find a PvE group sometime and check it out.

I did map completion while leveling my ranger before discovering WvW, I haven’t gone back since October really. I’m FoTM lvl 5 and when we had that dungeon monthly back at the beginning of the year I actually didn’t complete it because I put it off till the last day and then got kicked out of 2 dungeon groups for not knowing wtf was going on. :|

There is also a hot blonde woman in a bikini mini available as drop.

lol

Kalkz.5297:

If you’re going to leave this tier soon i know you will miss me …….
Also Evilzara is terrible at commanding and she order zergs to jump off cliffs

I’ll miss the forum antics. But let’s be real, you aren’t truly a commander until you’ve led a zerg off a cliff to it’s death…

Dio.2394:

last night Southsun Cove was queued the entire time I was there from 6pm server time until I logged at 11pm.

Serious question, what’s Southsun Cove? I saw it mentioned after the patch a few times but I have no idea what it’s supposed to be. New zone? New dungeon? Do I have to go there to get ascended gear now?

Rashagal.5867:

Yes, Ego Bay is still winning. I would posit its due to more large guilds in WvW and coverage, especially considering the majority of your points come from 2-6AM. Please note I’m not discounting your coordination. But the fact that you haven’t used these coordinated 3 keep assaults before now tells me the alliance has been making you change and adapt your tactics to exploit the inter server communication barrier by attacking 3 keeps in one server’s BL instead of previously dividing your forces to face us both at the same time.

That’s not entirely true… Yes, we have been getting big ticks during those hours, but that’s not because we cap stuff during those hours and then give them away. Reset night is a prime example. A bunch of people posted full map domination at around 2:20am, but we already had 500+ before midnight. Saturday and Sunday, even when you guys were ticking 200 points more than us, we minimized the impact of the point ticks to our lead by employing precisely timed small group tactics that never let you get the full benefit of what you were taking and letting us walk away without losing our lead.

Fast forward to Tuesday when we took AR Hills. We held it all day. We also capped all of AR by around 11:30am/2:30pm. We took BP BL with that epic 3 guild strike during a heavy playtime period – as you can tell by the last shot in the video of the “late” BP zerg. It wasn’t that it was nightcapped, it was because no one was left to scout, and BP wasn’t quick enough to respond. We held that BL until something like 2AM when BP took it back, all the while we continued to hold AR’s keeps right up until some point today.

That’s a far cry from a 4 hour window of nightcapping to quickly build a lead on ARBP. I’m not the kind of guy that needs to brag or needs recognition for accomplishments, but I believe that credit is due where credit is due. These points span something like a 36-40 hour period… so exclaiming ‘numbers, coverage’ isn’t really fair to us, and is denying yourself the opportunity to learn and better yourself from what you saw.

I sincerely hope you try those 3 keep assaults if you do move back up, because I’m very interested on its effectiveness against larger numbers.

We have, although that was the best I’ve seen it done. We have many strategies that you guys haven’t really seen. For all of our forum warriors complaining, we spent a good 5-6 weeks fielding some pretty tired tactics ourselves. We’re not blameless in this match being stale and boring.

Aeros.2046:

Relevant to this thread

Beyond the trolling, if anyone actually wants to know the answer to that question:
1) Read this: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/news/884-the-math-behind-wvw-ratings/
2) Then read Akaji.1296’s post near the top of this: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Remove-the-Score-Make-WvW-Interesting-Again/first#post1819994
3) Then, assuming you understand the concept, apply what you’ve learned here: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sin%28%28%28196860+%2F+%28196860+%2B+205080%29+%E2%80%93+0.5%29+*+Pi%29+%2B+1%29+*+0.5

Then you can use #3 to kind of see the point spread is required in our ratings hell to make any kind of impact when all that you can do is steal points from a much lower rated opponent and never have an opportunity to pair with a higher rated or evenly rated opponent.

Or, TL;DR – 1 word: Glicko

RyuDragnier.9476:

testpig.5018:

based on spvp… Anvil Rock has the most skilled players from this match up.

AR skill > Ebay skill.

However, ebay is a zerg server with 4 zerg guilds holding it together. Ebay is just winning due to population. No skill required.

You’re correct that AR’s skill may be greater than EBay’s skill.

I take issue with this notion. sPvP does not equal WvW. Skilled sPvP players are excellent at running good small encounter builds and downing other players under the ruleset and confines of the sPvP format. WvW is a totally different breed of PvP, and the goal of WvW is not simply to fight 1v1, 2v2 and 5v5. The goals include but are not limited to capturing and holding structures and facing both small groups and armies under a variety of uneven conditions. It requires different builds to be good at and a completely different mentality.

For example, dying in WvW to accomplish an objective like destroying a piece of siege or killing a dolyak would be considered a major victory in WvW. In sPvP, not dying is the win. Sacrificing a camp to a group of 5 people on 1 side of the map is also not a loss if it nets you the ability to capture a tower on the other.

The two are similar in some aspects, but are not equal and cannot be taken as a gage of skill in the same way that a mathematician is not equal to or greater than an NFL QB. Both jobs require a very high level of intelligence and the ability to learn complex concepts, but skills in either field are not directly interchangeable and being good at one does not mean that you are automatically good at the other. Being good at killing players in small encounters doesn’t automatically make you a tactician.

Guys, can DH come out to play?

Evilzara.6378:

Being a pug server, we really can’t keep up with your coordination.
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I wish myself I was apart of a big WvW guild similar to your big 3 and do things I haven’t done before but unfortunately I can’t unless I transfer.
…

Sorry to snip up your post, just wanted to point 1 thing out. I have mentioned this in another post already, but you are a prime example of what BP can do to change it’s WvW identity. You can be part of more than one guild in this game. Why not grab a few likeminded players – even from within BURN to begin with – and start something that is specifically WvW focused? Why would you transfer to get what you want when you could be the catalyst to bring it home to your server?

- Run with BURN when they WvW, run under your own tag when BURN isn’t around.
- Recruit everywhere you go. Spam “Guild Name Here [GNH] is recruiting for WvW” in /s every time you cap a tower or keep with your tag on so that people that are very casual about WvW think about how their limited time in this portion of the game would be so much better if they were doing this every time they logged on instead of not knowing who to follow.
- Round up as many casual WvWers as you can under that tag, ask them to rep you whenever they WvW
- Start sparingly calling on your members when they aren’t repping and are in PvE to help you out in WvW when you are in REAL trouble on a map… no crying wolf.
- In game mail your members and organize a guild training event or raid once a week, show the casuals the more tactical side of the game. Start simple so that success is higher probability, because seeing a new tactic bear fruit against other players makes you want to do it again and learn more.

Over time your pug population turns into your organized well oiled machine, even if they only WvW for a few hours a week and you have your WvW focused guild that can run all kinds of fun stuff.

Kardiamond.6952:

Yesterday we actually had to siege tower in ARBL to get some fights. Yu didn’t even one to get the tower, we just wanted you guys to come out and fight.

So that was you commanding in AR last night hey? When you had your group standing outside of our SE tower at one point not attacking we did figure out what you wanted. Unfortunately we couldn’t accommodate. After taking BP BL earlier in the evening most of our big guilds kind of retired for the evening.

When I logged in, pk was all sitting in our PvE channel doing dungeons. At that point in time we actually only had just over 10 people on your entire map, and our strongest presence while you were trying to goad us to fight north west of garrison was PvEers trying to speed through and do map completion. It picked up when you started re-capping stuff, but it was still more pug warfare than any organized force. I do wish we had more to draw on, it would have been a prime time for some really good GvG/ZvZ type action, we just didn’t have what it took to play at your level at that time.

Expiatus.4210:

How long did it take you all to organize and consistently execute above maneuvers? I imagine there is a core group that is good at this and the pugs just follow them.
Do the guilds accomplish “training” runs for new WvW players?
How do you convince someone to dolyak-sit or stay behind and defend?

In the beginning it took a lot of time, but with practice it comes naturally. I can only speak for my guild, but we run training exercises regularly on all of the above and more.

As far as training pugs, we will to the point that they will join us in TS and/or will follow us on the map and execute with us. The best way to train a pug, honestly, is to recruit them. I said this to one of BP’s members in a PM a while ago: This game supports multiple guild memberships, there’s no reason someone can’t have a WvW guild even on a temporary basis because they don’t lose their other memberships and their other friends. In my mind, BP’s biggest problem isn’t population, it’s that they haven’t organized that population properly. There isn’t a really valid reason that the largest number of players on a map should be unaffiliated to any WvW guild. It’s a problem every server has, including us at times, but we work very hard to solve it instead of letting it perpetuate itself.

Guild structure goes a long way towards organization, especially in larger structures. Our guild is structured as follows:

Blood Squad: all new members go here automatically, but it’s not considered a second class squad, we consider them our backbone, which makes training them extremely important. It has 2 squad commanders that organize and lead, train them in basic tactics and get their feet wet in our execution of WvW. Blood squad is our ‘zerg’ so to speak and could be comprised of a large group of WvW rookies or seasoned vets at any given time.
Shadow Squad: Focused on ‘guerilla warfare’ type smaller group tactics. We run training events, usually multiple times a week but we’ve been slacking lately, focusing on things like siege placement, map control, feign tactics, troop formations etc. We require that our members be able to do things like solo supply camps and understand the most direct routes as well as the best routes to take to stay undiscovered so that we can execute tactics to change the face of a map quickly with very few numbers.
Reaper Squad: Focus on map domination, zerg busting and higher plane large group tactics. They also run weekly class training events to educate both how to run various builds, how they interact with other classes, and gain understanding of the class in order to defeat it, as well as other super useful knowledge transfer type sessions with the other squads.
Magistrates: Our guild leaders and ambassadors who handle all of the administrative work of running a large guild including running our website and keeping us all in line when we get lippy.

As far as escorting dolys and scouting duty, captains won’t ask anyone else to do something they won’t do themselves. I will personally turn my tag off and run dolys for 2 hours if that’s what my team needs and never complain. My team knows that, so when I ask one of them to do it they are willing. I also find the task somewhat exciting if you can stay focused. You never know when people are going to ambush you, and when it happens your preparation for them is very rewarding.

Having said that, we try to cycle duties like this very often to keep people fresh. If someone runs dolys or refreshes siege for 20-30 mins, then they need a break and someone else takes over. Rotation keeps everyone sharp, stay rewarded and stay focused.

Does that help?

This thread is halfway to matching the Arrowcart thread for post count. I believe the AC thread was more civil than this one though. :|

Dio.2394:

Is Pk the guild that has turned your night coverage from a weakness to a strength?

There are some pk in [NITE], but it’s lead by Belle from sekz and made up of members from pretty much all of our major guilds.

Score update for those that can’t be online:

EB: 174,730 +385
BP: 133,893 +200
AR: 125,130 +110

nothing.7941:

Khayoss.2019:

If either of you want to go, the other two servers could assist in that.

There’s not ever gonna be a consensus for that.

Likely not, but that’s really the only way out. All I’m saying is that Borliss Rock makes an old matchup a bit more shiny and new, but Anvil Bay or Ehmry Pass is the only thing that actually holds a hope of changing the tier. That information may be pondered, raged at or discarded as any see fit. Like it or not though, it’s the plain and simple truth of the situation.

Evilzara.6378:

What’s your solution to this tier? You have the same opponents and it doesn’t look like anyone is going anywhere.

We’ve tried 2v1 this week on Ehmry, with 2 days to go it’s looking like the net gain is this:
- the fun factor went up during peak hours
- the results will be roughly the same as other weeks but with a closer score
- Ehmry will lose some points
- BP will gain some points
- AR will stay the same

If we basically agree that the main problem with this matchup is that we have just been fighting each other for too long for it to really be exciting then the logical course of action would be to try to fix the outcome in a way that results in a new opponent.

Right up front I’d take it as a given that any new matchup involving DH or SF is likely not going to be an earth shattering change – as you say their coverage appears to be spotty/spiky based on score updates, but you can never rule out a surge of activity due to jumping a tier. However, new people, new forum trolls, new tactics and new coverage periods to figure out would be a breath of fresh air. Sending EBay up is difficult to actually plan to do (unless you both take a week off of WvW, which is lame) because of the point swapping in the tier above us, sending us down is not realistic… that leaves one of you leaving for a new challenge. If either of you want to go, the other two servers could assist in that. Other than that, the only solution is to just keep banging our heads against the wall until the Glicko system is patched and hope that the change is big enough to allow all of us to move.

We’re stuck in a similar same situation that T8 was in when ANet pumped extra points into the system to fix the stagnant matchup. The difference is there is a tier below us that allows us to help ourselves should we all choose to do so.

Just thinking out loud.

SO excited about axes. Been having fun with them the last couple weeks, they were just a bit too slow.

This is more of a minor patch than a major update, so happy with some attention. Longbow similar speed fix next update maybe? That would make me hella happy!

Kalkz.5297:

before the update i had 30 people ready to come if i called them for help, after the update. 27 of the 30 are in that silly cove

PvE. lol. Feel for ya bud.

Teaming up is a valid strategy and as someone from JQ said above it’s the reason there’s 3 servers – to keep one in check if need be. Kudos to BP and AR for doing it, it made the weekend a lot of fun. I don’t know if it continues into the week, but I hope it does.

Yaks, Mags, CD, we miss you guys. Can you come get us? Glicko invited us over 2 months ago and then padlocked the door. :’(

Noice.8730:

Oh, and teamspeak is required before you can join any of the squads. =)

So that’s 3 of the ‘big 4’. There you go BP and AR, that’s your blueprint for coordination upgrades.

I know there is a lot of insults and trolling in this thread, and there seems to be quite a few ‘wow ebay is so disrespectful’ posts too. But I hope at least the guild leaders of both servers appreciate that we aren’t bad people and over the past few weeks we’ve opened the kimono a fair bit to you two to give you guys the tools you need to survive and best others who take this spot in T5 when we move on.

We have no ill will towards either of your servers, and it would be nice one day to look back at these matchups and know you guys became a more powerful server because of your experience with us, just as we look back to other key opponents that shaped how we play today.

Expiatus.4210:

You all can field +300 people in WvW?! Or is that just the total number of folks on TS at any given time?

I am not sure about our other guilds, but pk at least also makes it mandatory to have TS for guild membership. Our 3 requirements are (1) 100% rep in WvW, (2) Sign up on our forum to track guild event calendar, and check in semi-regularly (3) Be able to download and use TS. No one has to talk if they don’t feel comfortable doing so, but it’s just too difficult to mobilize a large force via in game chat.

Honestly, it’s a process though and you have to be willing to suffer in the short term for the long term gain. After imposing those requirements our guild had to do an inactive and non compliance purge of our roster that trimmed us from 500 members down to about 260. We are back up to about 350 now though and at 350 we can field larger more coordinated forces than we ever could at 500.

It’s not uncommon for us to field 80-90 on a reset night or easily 50-60 on guild missions or other normal weekday raiding parties, and only a small handful won’t be in TS because of whatever reason – playing at work, broken headset, have to be quiet etc. You just can’t coordinate multiple targets and broader strategies over that kind of number without voice.

And I know you guys have people on our /t and /m to relay info. That’s all well and good for you, but honestly it only counters the pugs who dominate EBG. You are kind of wasting your time with that because all of the important stuff is voice.

SixVoltCar.5248:

I’ll join the complaintfest.

I have a problem with rekz in that when they’re on a map and only when they’re on a map do I experience high latency and skill lag, I’ve been watching it 3 weeks, and fought them on many occasions.. 1 on 1, great players. But when I hit their zerg is just feels like they’ve found some way to cause the server to lag. I’ve actually taken to completely leaving maps they’re on because I can’t get skills to activate even at spawn. I don’t mean for this to be slander in any way, but not being able to go into wvw because the server itself won’t let me play is getting annoying.

That isn’t to say I’d be upset if they won, I expect low framerates in large engagements, but only when I get on a map where rekz is fighting does everything just stop interface-wise.

(Maybe they’re just video game gods in that they’ve found a way to warp time and space)

Here’s some hypothesis. ANet has stated in other threads about AoE being limited to 5 targets that it is a “technical limitation”, that their servers can’t handle all of the AoE’s calculating 45 more targets each when large group clashes with large group.

When you mostly notice skill lag are where there are LARGE encounters, meaning multiple arrow carts trying to track more than 5 targets while players are moving and casting AoE’s of their own.

REKZ builds, specs and operates as a single unit, each component amplifying the ones before it. They don’t run around relying on auto attack. Therefore, it is likely that nearly everything they do involves tracking the maximum 5 targets. In this case, 20ish REKZ each hitting skills every second or so that would affect 5 targets would likely equal server stress of a much, much larger zergball playing with auto attack and some random AoE’s. So when added to your zergball of whatever number, server side the product may equal something closer to SM Lord Room 3 way battle lag than 2 average zergs fighting?

I haven’t noticed this myself in the times pk has been fighting around REKZ, but we aren’t partnered up that often to know… It’s just a thought as to possibly why you see what you see. No idea, could be so far wrong that someone tells me to quit life. Or maybe your last statement is actually true…

/shrug

Kalkz.5297:

I love how ebay CARE so much about whos from BP/AR dropping a tier and whos getting 2nd/3rd, instead of focusing on moving up a tier their hatred on BP and most of them are "obsessed " with Focusing BP to make us drop a tier is totally blinding them
The Q is, do u guys think When BP drops a tier it will solve your problems and move up a tier ? Lol
This is the main reason why your still in this tier, believe it or not, your staying here for not less than a month or 2 unless Anet fixes this

- Borlis Rock

I love how you think we are obsessed with BP. Don’t flatter yourself too much though. We are obsessed with Maguuma and nothing BP ever does will ever hold a candle to that flame.We’ve been making steady gains on T4 for 3 weeks now thank you. We don’t have the population to put up a 400k week and do the jump all at once. What we are doing is working just fine.

Fortunately, or unfortunately if you like it the way it is, ANet has said a glicko update is coming this month. So this match will change sooner than later.

I actually do love this alliance. It poses a good challenge, we have to actually break out the defensive playbook, which has been gathering dust for a long time. I also have 3 strike plans that I’ve been sitting on for over a month that we might be able to crack the seal on this week if it makes sense to.

What I want to know is what’s different on BP? You guys had an overnight shift to a completely new set of strategies, and somehow are able to execute them well on the first try. That kind of development with no lead up to it is…. uncommon. Are you being commanded by AR directly? Is there a new guild at play? Or did you receive new commander(s) from somewhere? What I saw yesterday and today when you invade us is similar in pattern to what we saw from Yaks Bend. Its not a pattern you have used in the last 8 weeks so I don’t think its something you’ve been saving for a rainy day.

Zen.1859:

Fun fights in AR BL tonight against the PK group, although i was careful to engage you guys in open field.

AR BL was fun times all day today guys. Thanks for the great fights earlier this evening too. That was some serious dedication and excellent response time you guys showed. Made for a hell of a good way to spend a Saturday!

Faux Sheaux.6179:

No one gives enough credit to the people who hold things down outside of raids. Zerging around as a guild is the smallest part of WvW, and it’s the guys who are working as individuals defending and calling for help during the other 20 hours of the day that really make the difference.

You don’t have to be the greatest skill group in the game to be MVP. The most useful people (at least in my opinion) are those who aren’t being named every other post on the forums. They are the guys who call for help when help is needed.

QFT
It’s all the small jobs that aren’t necessarily rewarded with a flow of WXP that win the day. Our server has an all star cast on that front and they are the ones that allow us to put guilds like REKZ to their best use.

Shout out to BP for this mornings defense of the SE tower in our home BL. You held us off for several waves with the wall down. That was good work.

Dovgan.8605:

Khayoss.2019:

dunnberry.2964:

Congrats on having so many players and having guilds from 1 of those servers transfer to you! You are so skilled!

No guilds from either of those servers have transferred to us. A small number of AR players from various backgrounds have defected to both servers as a result of the 9 week stale matchup – a number that the AR commanders deem insignificant and we do to.

always nice to see how a server really feels about transfers. This should be in a recruitment thread. “Come to Ehmry Bay, be INSIGNIFIGANT!” That’ll get folks rolling in.

/sigh

I don’t know why everything has to be so negative.. I said the “number” was insignificant, as in you have not lost a significantly damaging portion of your population. Nor have we received enough people to measurably change the amount of people we are fielding.

As I said in our matchup thread to all the people bashing their decision to leave their server for other servers in the same tier – only time can tell, and whether they become a core part of our WvW community is really up to them.

I was simply refuting the notion that we had gained one of our opponents core WvW guilds and that was a reason for our ability to put up points.

In any event, I apologize to the community that this thread is still on the top pages. I only felt the need to respond because of the nature of the posts quoted. I’ll leave this to die now and would appreciate if you would do the same Dovgan. We can discuss anything further on our matchup thread where it belongs.

Dovgan.8605:

AR isn’t complaining, and we don’t see it as a problem. We are used to doing more with less. Pretty sure that was proven with the fight we had vs. Kaineng. Anyone remember what happened when EBay met Kaineng? You gave up, collapsed and failed as a server. AR did better against far worse odds than EBay.

You weren’t there, so you don’t remember anything about the history of our server.

That week was a defining moment in both my guild’s and our servers history. It was the culmination of a dysfunctional community relationship resulting in some of our core WvW guilds leaving our server in the days leading up to that week. It was before our server had fully converted to TS (pk was still holding out on Vent, turning it’s nose up at others in the community calling for change). It was before anyone on our server had really learned to work together as a team.

The score can’t tell you how much that week meant to us. It was our “phoenix” moment, when those of us who stayed made a commitment to do this together as a team, when we began actually learning the tactics and intricacies of WvW. Without that week, we wouldn’t be who we are today… which is why I take exception to you kicking dirt on it like you know something about what happened.

You can look back at the official thread for the week if you want, Kaineng doesn’t share your view of our efforts. We never gave up. We left every drop of blood we had on that battlefield.

So if you outscored us against the same server, great, good for you. We found our identity as a server that week, which is worth more to us than anything on a scoreboard. I’m sorry that your server didn’t have the opportunity to gain as much as we did out of that adversity, and I’m sorry that you still aren’t doing so faced with this matchup.

dunnberry.2964:

Congrats on having so many players and having guilds from 1 of those servers transfer to you! You are so skilled!

No guilds from either of those servers have transferred to us. A small number of AR players from various backgrounds have defected to both servers as a result of the 9 week stale matchup – a number that the AR commanders deem insignificant and we do to.

They are all equally effective, but situationally dependant. That’s my rating.

Try taking a tower with an arrow cart, or defend a choke point with just a trebuchet…

This was his first post on the forums, excuse his eagerness. This was meant to go into the official thread.

Good day.

JaeKeun.5680:

Evilzara.6378:

llkoolaid.8204:

Dovgan.8605:

llkoolaid.8204:

Kodiack.2783:

llkoolaid.8204:

Kodiack.2783:

Ebay just reached a new level of low.

Posting a score of 695 ppt @ 3am.

Your the green server. You have the population of a T4 server, in T5. And your bragging about this @ 3am?

one word. Classless.

-K

hahahahaha

“a new level of low”

Just a few weeks ago you said that in t4 they paint another servers bl completely before bragging about it, but in t5 I guess the garri will do.

Now you’re crying about this…

Hypocritical…

@ 3am.

Ebay was in 2nd place PPT for the first 3 hours of reset. Once everyone starting gong to bed 11pm my time, ebay started to catch up.

Of course, did anyone post screenshots of that?

-K

I’m surprised no one from AR or BP posted a screen shot. You guys did a good job double teaming us in our bl. Of course AR forgot about their own bl. But hey, who cares about home when you can attack the number one server in the match up…

I think you are confusing forgot and don’t have the people. ARBL was running outmanned until AR forces moved off EBay BL. You don’t seem to understand, so I will explain. We can queue up one map on reset night, it was EBay BL last night. On rare occasions AR can queue up a BL and Eternal on a reset night. Of the three servers in this matchup AR has the overall lowest WvW population and coverage. That’s just how it is on AR. The tier below AR had an edge in population and coverage and BP had the edge on AR. I’m curious as to how many maps EBay had a queue on last night(the standard answer is “we only had a queue on our BL, we swears it.”)

On reset night. I would like to see AR or BP come close to that, on any night.

If you ask me, this is kinda close.

GJ you can wipe a T7/8 server.

It was closeish, props to them for their first week in this tier with us.

I dunno why people are all offended about EBay posting screenies of domination on reset night. Our two opponents openly tag teamed us, we survived and stormed their BL’s. It’s not like we waited until 2am and then went and PvD’d everything… that was one continuous fight vs players from the opening horn until we handed over to our NITE crew. We controlled all but 2 BP keeps by around midnight server time… well within still populated playtimes for a reset night. The last 2 hours was mop up duty, flipping and re-flipping towers and camps plus a final rush to take BP garrison (which admittedly was extremely lightly defended since it was the last thing to fall).

We even had to deal with a delay due to BP BL crashing and kicking us all out of game. ANet even tried to save you!

Advice for AR: The calling for an alliance from BP does not work out to your favor. Unless you have a reasonable size force to stay home too, it doesn’t make sense to commit your heaviest force to offense. Start at home and work out, that’s how you build your foundation. Unless your goal was specifically to help BP, in which case mission accomplished. Your support allowed them to get higher point tally for a couple hours and they should thank you mightily for your assistance at cost of basically everything.

It’s hilarious that 3 people posted that all back to back haha. Can you tell we were excited? :| Sorry guys, not meaning to brag. This is just the first time we’ve ever done that as far as any of us could remember.