Guild Wars 2

No I do not, and like you I have looked for them, and would absolutely love to know the actual odds.

I can only gueestimate, and to me what I see is pretty grim.

All depends on the motives for driving up the prices tbh lures, and how long term they are playing.. to throw a obvious conspiracy theory out there:

You and your group are sitting on a large quantity of precursors from the MF bug or from karka event mass purchases, you would want to slowly push the price up while stringing along the various bidders, off loading a few precursors on bidders now and then to fuel the boat.

By doing it slowly, you would steadily increase the average price of the precursor, which would slowly but steadily increase the value of your stock.

Obviously It would be a risky move, but I has the potential to pay of BIG, especially since other stuff is influenced by precursors, such as rares and ores etcetc.

This is something I could see a gold selling site possibly doing.

But like I said conspiracy theory, my point however is that it is possible to make a profit of manipulating up the precursors, without making a profit of the actual sales we see.

However if this was the case, it could easily be stopped/discovered by adding a bidding tax on precursors.

Not that I suggest that happens.

Ursan.7846:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

In theory I guees I can agree it is “possible”, however with the odds of getting a precursor you would in my opinion have to go a much higher up then 2000g for it to be smarter, even with the current price of materials..

Do you have the odds? If you do, you don’t have to have an opinion on it, you can actually calculate the break-even point.

If you do have data/a website, show me, I’d love to calculate it myself actually =). I just looked at the wiki and it’s not there.

Ursan, I can only go of the assumptions based on what I’ve seen other people throw in the mystic forge, and the “fact” that everytime you roll that dice you have the same chance of getting it.

Also the amount of precursors availible considering the amount of worlds connected to the tp, for me is a pretty ugly clue.

Iures.2894:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

I doubt anyone is expecting people to people to sell them at a lower value then what they are worth.

However when the average price if manipulated up by a group of people it becomes a problem, especially considering the general rarity of the item in question.

And your evidence that the changing prices are a result of market manipulation is ???

I never claimed it was a fact that manipulation was going on, It is however my belief based on what I’ve seen time after time.

Though I could have been clearer about that in my reply i agree.

last time It got upped there were a few dusks on the ah, with somewhat steady sales, then bam the rest of them goes in a single day, only to see several more listed a few hours later at considerably higher price.

The exact same thing happened yesterday to dusk, bam went to 0, then a few hours later 5+ went up at a 70g higher price.

Like I said, I can’t prove there is manipulation going on, as such I am not claiming it is a fact, I am just saying that based on what Ive seen it surely looks like it, so my opinion is that precursors are being manipulated.

Ursan.7846:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Exactly, precursors are not the only thing they are connected to, the fact that they are also impacted by ecto prices is not a positive thing.

So…you’re agreeing with me?

1. Precursors aren’t the only use for rares
2. Precursor/rare price increase/decrease don’t happen in 1:1 ratio
3. Therefore it’s possible in some situations where the MF with rares is a “smarter choice” (situations where the percentage increase in precursor price is larger than the percentage increase in prices of rares)
4. Therefore your statement that it’s “never” smarter is false.

In theory I guees I can agree it is “possible”, however with the odds of getting a precursor you would in my opinion have to go a much higher up then 2000g for it to be smarter, even with the current price of materials..

Like I said I throw rares in the mystic forge every day, and every day I feel like a idiot for doing it, because I know chances are I can keep doing it for the rest of my natural born life without getting it.

Asura – Male – Warrior
Charr – Male – Guardian

I doubt anyone is expecting people to people to sell them at a lower value then what they are worth.

However when the average price seems like its being manipulated up by a group of people it becomes a problem, especially considering the general rarity of the item in question.

Exactly, precursors are not the only thing they are connected to, the fact that they are also impacted by ecto prices is not a positive thing.

You do of course realise that rare weapons rise in tandem with precursors? and so do the materials to make them.

Infact It would seem the precursor price sets the price for rare weapons and the materials to make them..

O god yes plz! the asura male hairstyles are absolutely horrible, and most of them don’t even stick on the head..

Also beards would make perfect sense, as asuras in various concept arts etc has it, but for some reason not ingame.

ColinJohanson.2394:

Iehova.9518:

There’s still no reason to kill champs, Colin. Blue does not good reward make.

Just a reminder, blue is the absolute minimum champs can drop, they have much better odds of dropping good loot than regular mobs, and once you’re properly getting kill credit for them hopefully this becomes more visible.

Gosh I hope so.

Kinda have to agree with that salty, my main problem with the precursors price, isnt the price in it self, its how unstabile it is.. It keeps shooting up large amounts every 2 weeks, and it feels like you can’t keep up..

I wouldn’t call it meatless if they follow up on it, 1 guaranteed blue up item, means you always have 1 item that will be blue-exo, overall it should improve drop rates a considerable amount.

All of us who were complaining about the drop rates, were also supposedly on bad luck streaks

On a diffrent note, It really bothers me that It’s decided based on your damage if you tag a mob or not, especially since the dps diffrence between classes is HUGE!

It also explains why my guardian was getting even worse loot then my warrior, and why my fractal teams warriors were always flashing a crapload of rares and exos..

1 guardian 1 thief 2 warriors and a mesmer, basicly my dream party.

If you were a good tank in WoW I would definatly recommend the guardian, you will never have trouble getting a group, It is very easy to learn, and pays of big if you master it.

And you can definatly tank to some degree, even in higher level fractals.

Hes talking about the treatment people who claimed that there was a issue recived.

I for one feel that those of us who stood up against this issue and got bashed for it should get a ingame tinfoil hat skin, to protect us from future bashing when speaking up

Pustulio.8207:

Kumu Honua.2751:

Pustulio.8207:

Kumu Honua.2751:

Pustulio.8207:

what the NEED to do is put a cap on what precursors can be SOLD for. people can’t put a 600g price-tag on something, if they aren’t allowed to.

I don’t have my legendary yet. But this is a terrible idea.

It’s only terrible in the eyes of someone that stands to lose something….how many do you have on the TP????

I already said. I don’t have my legendary. I Only have 70g to my name since head start. It’s STILL a terrible idea to limit players arbitrarily.

I’ve already said I don’t like the current precursor method, but your idea is TERRIBLE.

I’m suspicious of your lies…..i’ll assume you have 4 precursors on the TP, and move on

Grow up, I have been fighting against the current precursor system for weeks, and I am also completly against your idea, it would only encourage a grey market, which would cause of the lack of a trading feature end up in a crapload of scam reports etc.

Your idea is bad, accept it!

Just want to point out, they didn’t just keep working on it after nothing jumped up, theyr post clearly sais they went back to check it again because the community wouldn’t let it go.

That is completly diffrent from them continuing to look for it after saying it was fine.

If this teaches us anything, Its to not let them shut us up if we see something that is clearly off, and don’t let the fanboy part of the community censor us, trough insults or other means.

Or you might not, I have been trying 5 times a day for weeks.

It never becomes smarter, but yes it has become the only feasible option, especially after dusks once again gotten pushed up 100g

Yeah just go gamble like everyone else, slackers.. tsktsk. rollseyes

Nemisis.4690:

for making me feel all warm and fuzzy inside about the loot fix!

I would gladly “hail” them if they didn’t for a long time deny it completly, not to mention they let people freely bash people for being conspiracy theorists for simply bringing up the subject of bad rng.

Arena net deserves no “props” in this case, they did theyr job, and they took theyr sweet time doing so.

After catching so much kitten from parts of the community, and claims from devs that everything was fine, It is wonderful to see that so many of us were right about the loot, and that the piece of kitten system can finally get fixed.

I can only hope that people think twice before they yell conspiracy theorist next time.

I definatly think precursors should become a little more common, but I do not feel laurels is the way to do it…

mm, the last dusk just got taken of the market, something bad is definatly coming..

12% crit damage

However I feel the big factor is if you intend to go for 100% crit chance fully buffed, which from what I can see either requires you to go for rubies + accuracy sigil

or going for scholars + force buffed by perception sigil

that however means no access to bloodlust

Not to even mention the price diffrence 4g per vs 14s per

2/20 assuming the odds for precursors are same as any other exotic, which i highly doubt.

You are also gonna most likely lose 3/4’s of your investment everytime, not to mention you.

If it was anywhere near as predictable as you seem to think it is lures, the prices of dusk and dawn would be no where what they are today, because the market would be overflooded with them.

Iures.2894:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Mystic clovers rng should not be compared to precursor rng.. the only similarity is that both have a RNG elements, the amount of rng differs so much however, that this is where the similarities stop.

Wait, so an RNG element that is ~33% chance and you have to complete 77 times is better than the RNG element that you only have to complete once? You sure about that?

When the one you have to complete once is in a pool of 40ish rares, and 20ish exotics, and only has about a 1/5 of even being an exotic, then yes, the mystic clovers arn’t nearly as rng as the precursor..

Not even considering that exo most likely have a lower general chance compared to other exotics

Its almost like comparing a coin flip to playing the lottery.

I dunno, as far as numbers goes, that dosnt make much sense to me..

120 power 12% crit 80 precision vs 170 power + 5 all and 10% crit damage.

sure you gain 50 power, but to me those are easily lost to the 2% crit damage and 75 precision.. not to even get into the price diffrences..

I feel if you are gonna go for scholar at all, the 6th is a must, but even then its sketchy as you will prob go below 100% alot of the time, unless you are ranged focused.

Also I see very few people here opting for empowered, am I missing something here? anytime you are in a group, you should benefit more from 10% boon dur mixed with 2% x 3++++ then you would from 10% crit damage, not to mention the vitality which is alot more useful then % burst dmg.

That said I am mostly into axes atm, so I could be wrong.

Appriciate the links guys, but really looking for more of a hardcore guild, also not that intrested in joining multi gaming communities.

Charismatic Harm.9683:

Oglaf.1074:

Everyone can get 99% of the materials required for a Legendary.

Are you seriously telling me Anet are stupid enough to let the exclusiveness of a Legendary all rest on the Precursor? Really? REALLY?!

You still don’t get it. “Everyone” can’t get 99% of the materials required for a Legendary.

Gift of Exploration? Really? EVERYONE can get that?
Gift of Battle? Really? EVERYONE can get 500 Badges of Honor?

If you’re truly going to make broad accusations about the ENTIRE player base, you should really think about what the entire player base is actually capable of doing.

Stop thinking only of yourself and start thinking about the game as a whole.

These arguments you’re making are ridiculous and very short sighted.

As for making the exclusivity of a Legendary rely solely on the shoulders of the Precursor weapon…..maybe that was EXACTLY their intent. It’s actually a great way to do it if you really think about it. It would allow the ENTIRE player base to strive toward something….slowly, as intended….then when players get a precursor…they can either use it, or sell it to make money if it wasn’t the precursor they needed for THEIR Legendary.

Can everyone explore every part of the map? give me one reason why they wouldn’t be able to?

500 Honor badges, are you saying that everyone can’t do the jumping puzzles?

You are not making sense, sir.

Also I would like to note that you cannot compare the mystic clovers rng to precursor rng.

Mystic clovers rng should not be compared to precursor rng.. the only similarity is that both have a RNG elements, the amount of rng differs so much however, that this is where the similarities stop.

Would provide them, but saving for the exact same thing

I would say it is more correct to say dungeons are designed for everyone, however who you wish to group with should be entirely up to yourself.

There are enough people who enjoy 80 only groups, and mixed groups to cater to both communities, tbh.

I have yet to see a current test, until one is provided, how greatly it changed cannot be quantified.

Based on what I see ingame however, you greatly overestimate how much diffrence it made.

On a diffrent note, I group with lower levels from time to time however I am under no obligation to do so, and complaining that other 80’s are elitist because they don’t is completly unjust, and just plain whining.

80 is something anyone can reach, it is not some exclusive club that only a select few ever get to join.

SynfulChaot.3169:

Again, there is this thing called Dynamic Level Adjustment. It was tested months ago here and they found little to no difference between a fully geared 80 and decently geared (greens) 35. With armor, they only found a 10-30 point gain for each stat. Since then, downscaling has been updated and level 80s are further reduced in stats compared to before. Please stop bringing up the gear argument. It has been debunked many times now.

The only arguable point is the difference in traits. A 80 will have access to more traits than a sub-80. Now a skilled player can work with the traits they do have, but there are still some builds that cannot be done well due to the missing trait points. This does not mean that no builds can be done well, just some.

Yes, a skilled 80 will be faster. That is not being argued. But the difference will be small.

Did you miss the little part in the test were it clearly said the 80 was using rares?

Edit: GabGar, I would love to know what kinda logic you follow that makes you think that having 5 80’s proves anything..

I am not argueing that low levels CAN’T do AC, I am not even argueing that they can’t do it in a timely fashion.

I am however argueing that a full 80 group has a far high sucsess potential, and a full 80 group with skilled players will be considerably quicker then a non 80 group with skilled players.

Like It or not this mmo like most other rpg games are about numbers, and the numbers simply are not in favour of your logic.

GabGar.4962:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

GabGar.4962:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

And a skilled level 80 will always trump a equally skilled level 35, whats your point?

Fact is it is much more likely that a 80 knows what hes doing then a 35.

I really don’t get all this whining about 80s not wanting to group with you when you are on lower level chars, you keep argueing that low levels are just as good, so why not group with people your own level? instead of getting upset that higher levels wont group with you?

And its not the abilities or gear that makes the biggest diffrence 35-80 its the traits.

We are not whining we just say that people who wants a only 80 group dont know how to play and they need to be carry by others, they have the illusion that a group of only 80 will have success, and thats not always the case, a group of skilled players will have success and can do it at the same speed at any level.

The illusion and arguments to want an only lvl 80 group is causing bad attitude between some players and its against the spirit of this game.

Yeah, you are pretty much whining… people who want a 80 only grp, wants as much to the table as they themselves bring, and no they are under the “illusion” that a all 80 group has a higher chance of sucsess not to mention it is likely to go considerably faster. A “illusion” that is spot on i might add.

Whats causes a “bad” attitude between players is people with en entitlement issues, who for some insane reason belive they are entitled to join what ever group they wish to join.

I finished AC with only 40s at the same speed than a lvl 80 group, thats false, an illusion caused by the experience in other games.

And for me I dont group with “only 80s” even with my chars lvl 80, that means the run will be not fun and full of resets and wipes.

Yes, and I sneezed so hard that zhaitan got knocked out of the sky..

As for who you choose to group with, that is entirely up to you, do how ever not judge other people for making the opposite choice, and stop coming up with these bs arguements that have absolutely no basis in reality, It makes you look rather silly tbh.

GabGar.4962:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

And a skilled level 80 will always trump a equally skilled level 35, whats your point?

Fact is it is much more likely that a 80 knows what hes doing then a 35.

I really don’t get all this whining about 80s not wanting to group with you when you are on lower level chars, you keep argueing that low levels are just as good, so why not group with people your own level? instead of getting upset that higher levels wont group with you?

And its not the abilities or gear that makes the biggest diffrence 35-80 its the traits.

We are not whining we just say that people who wants a only 80 group dont know how to play and they need to be carry by others, they have the illusion that a group of only 80 will have success, and thats not always the case, a group of skilled players will have success and can do it at the same speed at any level.

The illusion and arguments to want an only lvl 80 group is causing bad attitude between some players and its against the spirit of this game.

Yeah, you are pretty much whining… people who want a 80 only grp, wants as much to the table as they themselves bring, and no they are under the “illusion” that a all 80 group has a higher chance of sucsess not to mention it is likely to go considerably faster. A “illusion” that is spot on i might add.

Whats causes a “bad” attitude between players is people with en entitlement issues, who for some insane reason belive they are entitled to join what ever group they wish to join.

Edit: Sure I will explain how a 80 with Exotic’s gear is more efficient then a lvl 35 with the best lvl 35 gear.

It should be pretty obvious, the exotic tier is not availible at 35, as such a 35 can never reach the stats a 80 wearing exotics is at.

At 80 you get scaled down to 35 version of you gear yes, but that gear is still EXOTIC.

Its like saying a 35 in masterwork has the same stats as a 35 in rares.

Not to mention triple stat items are not availible at 35, another big diffrence.

Oh, and stop acting like traits arn’t a big deal, infact in many/most cases traits have a bigger impact on performance then stats do..

And what the hell does AC being easy have to do with anything? the point is you are not at optimal performance pulling along a 35.

The arguement is not that a 35 can’t get trough AC, its that a 35 does not have the same potential as a level 80 in AC.

And a skilled level 80 will always trump a equally skilled level 35, whats your point?

Fact is it is much more likely that a 80 knows what hes doing then a 35.

I really don’t get all this whining about 80s not wanting to group with you when you are on lower level chars, you keep argueing that low levels are just as good, so why not group with people your own level? instead of getting upset that higher levels wont group with you?

And its not the abilities or gear that makes the biggest diffrence 35-80 its the traits.

I am looking for a rather sizeable EU guild to join, The guild needs to be active dungeon runners, in specific I am currently running CoF p1 daily, trying to save up for precursor etc, as such It is important to me that the guild have very active and serious CoF runners.

To be blunt, I am tired of running CoF p1 with pugs, I take my grinding rather seriously, and the last few days It feels like I have more downtime then playtime.

Even though my current soul focus is to run CoF1 war/mes/thief for gold, I will be looking to do other endgame content in near future.

As such its also important that the guild has experience with dungeons such as Arah and 20+ fractals.

I currently play a Asura warrior (Berserk’s set and Boon Dur Knights set), and a Charr Guardian (25AR) (Cleric’s set), I am have over 200 hours on each played in a span of 46 days.

Both are wearing full Exotic/Ascended

Also important to me that the guild is somewhat mature, I am not a fan of 10 min rage episodes etc.

I am not a huge fan of voice over, but will be willing to use it for harder content etc when/if required.

who are you to “feel” they should not insist on 80s only? its theyr right to do so.

Avoiding them, fine, whining that they exist? childish and most definatly not fine.

The basic Gs Zerk build is 20-25-0-10-15 or 20-30-0-10-10 depending on if you swap weapons alot.

Strength sigil seems to be popular.

I completly Agree that they should put 80 in the box asking for level, but most tend to already do that if they are looking for 80s.

If you join a group however that is listed as 80, and get kicked, then there is nothing to complain about

Beyond that they shouldn’t need to add anything else, the level already sais 80

That said, I do wish gw2lfg would make the level box a requirement, no reason not to really.

See I mixed c and p again :P

SynfulChaot.3169:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

So, if you don’t carry low levels trough a dungeon when your 80, you are a elitist? wow I must have been a elitist since the early days of eq1.

Honestly, you want to do dungeons at low level, do them with other low levels, don’t expect lvl 80s to carry you.

If you think that all sub-80s need to be carried, then yes, you are an elitist.

I never said sub-80’s needed to be carried, that was your words, I said you shouldn’t EXPECT to be carried by 80’s, crying that its elitist for 80’s not to group with lower level is basicly crying that they wont carry you, like it or not a sub 80 has less raw potential, and there is absolutely nothing stopping him from grouping with other sub 80’s

When you get to 80 there is absolutely nothing wrong with choosing teams of your own level, and calling that elitist is wrong on so many levels.

Like it or not any time you are a lower level in a higher level group, you are being carried to some extent, why? because you have less stats, and less traits, as such you are not operating at full capacity, unlike 80s.

And no thats not the same as saying that you need to be carried.

I’m not saying 80’s shouldn’t group with lower level players, I am saying you kitten well better accept that they are under no obligation to do so

So, if you don’t carry low levels trough a dungeon when your 80, you are a elitist? wow I must have been a elitist since the early days of eq1.

Honestly, you want to do dungeons at low level, do them with other low levels, don’t expect lvl 80s to carry you.

Must say i completly encourage using this, with enough people doing it, it might drive down t6 prices :p

But yeah, you are far better of saving for amulet

Syeria.4812:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Syeria.4812:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Edit: Syeria, that is why I said “Most experienced players only need Ar for JADE MAW, etcetcetc”

Pays to read the replies you quote.

So what you’re saying is they need ascended items to do fractals 20+ then. Gotcha.

Pays to think your logic through before trying to attack others with it.

So cute to see someone grasping desperatly after straws.

I said most experienced players only need Ar for Jade maw etcetcetc, I never said It couldn’t be done without AR, Im curious how do you think people reached 50+ in fractal level pre-patch.

Pays to only get involved in discussions you actually have some knowledge about, buddy

Looks like you’re the sad one just making up things to try cover your mistakes. Too bad for you no one with any experience will buy it. Nice attempt to try paint others as “just not knowing enough” though.

You dun kittened up. Get over it and let it go.

Speaking of paint, you are doing a great job at painting yourself into a corner here Syeria..

As for “experienced” players beliving it, experienced fractal players don’t need to belive it, they already KNOW it from experience.

Seems I let myself get a bit to derailed into this fractal debate, My point however is that no item is truely essential, as such saying that the current legendary/precursor prices are fine because they arnt “essential” is pretty much incorrect.

Goldi, you have made no arguement that would in any way show that I am infact wrong, If you want to ignore me because you don’t agree with my point of view, that is perfectly fine with me, will prob keep this thread from derailing further.

However I would love to know why you consider jeans and a shirt to be essential.

Syeria.4812:

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Edit: Syeria, that is why I said “Most experienced players only need Ar for JADE MAW, etcetcetc”

Pays to read the replies you quote.

So what you’re saying is they need ascended items to do fractals 20+ then. Gotcha.

Pays to think your logic through before trying to attack others with it.

So cute to see someone grasping desperatly after straws.

I said most experienced players only need Ar for Jade maw etcetcetc, I never said It couldn’t be done without AR, Im curious how do you think people reached 50+ in fractal level pre-patch.

Pays to only get involved in discussions you actually have some knowledge about, buddy

Edit: Exactly goldi, you CAN go to work dressed in a potato sack, and a suit by a famous designer is no less essential then a suit made in mass at a factory.

“Try doing fractals level 20+ in blues.”

you were being a smartass, and then get upset when you don’t get a “polite” discussion?

Also you seem to get insulted by the smallest things, quite often:

“I also will refrain from now on to answer posts that are just based around insults and emotions and completely lacking arguments.”

Infact, you even brought up lacking arguements in that one, which is ironic since you seem to be quite guilty of doing that yourself

Honestly if you act like a jerk in your replies, don’t expect me to handle you with silk gloves,

Edit: Syeria, that is why I said “Most experienced players only need Ar for JADE MAW, etcetcetc”

Pays to read the replies you quote.

/does fractals in groups who purposly gimp themselves to get more challenge out of the content
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Most experienced players only need AR for Jade Maw, Mossman and Shaman, big woop if he forgot to equip his AR gear.

What makes you think I havnt already? there is absolutely no reason why you wouldnt be able to, you highly overrestimate the diffrence blue – exotic makes.

Hell even been in runs that did ac with only a weapon equipped..

The only items that are even semi essential are agony resistant, and even then it ONLY applies to jade maw, and even then 1 person with the required AR is enough to pull you trough.

If your whole reasoning for keeping legendarys at a absurd gold price is that it isnt essential, I seriously suggest you come up with a hell of a lot better arguement then that non-sense.

Goldi, no item is essential in beating the game, hell not even AR is

goldi.3129:

LordByron.8369:

goldi.3129:

Legendaries are a luxury object. And thus prized as a luxury is to be expected.

legendary is a tier

That tier will be unavailable to other players for some time every tier jump we will have.

See what happened with triforge and amulets?

Well imagine having a better armor of any other player for about a month every time a tier get release or lvl cap upgraded.

I never wanted a legendary before november 15 as many other players that doesn t like those skin…

Wrong game. Legendary is mainly cosmetic. Check the stat difference between the legendary weapons and exotics in the same slot.

And what you mention is the gear spiral- again wrong game.

Wrong, legendary evolves as new tiers are added, as such it is not just A tier, it is THE tier.

As for it being a luxury item, what a hillarious comment, so we should have a cast system like real life? rich v poor? I don’t know about you, but I play games to escape from real life stress and economical nightmares.

The Legendary’s should be a symbol of experience and dedication, not a symbol of wealth.

I find the thought that precursors will eventually become stabile naturally to be incredibly naive tbh… its a one of a kind item (By that i basicly mean that precursor is a bottle neck to get legendary, as such it might as well be one of a kind), no mather how high people will always be willing to buy it if they have the currency to do so.. a real world example would be collectibles going for several millions, or art in general,there will always be someone willing and capable of paying just about anything for that item, and the vast majority will never have a chance in hell of obtaining that item.

Personally I am determined as hell to get my precursor now, and have decided to go for 100g farm in one day, but lets be reasonable a NORMAL person can’t devote this kinda time to farming, nor would he want to for 10+ hours in the same spot.

Hell, even I who am used to harsh grinds from games like Eq1 might very well become burnt out from it.

I can afford the grind for precursor because I am basicly a no lifer, but I can honestly say the average player does not have a fair chance at it, especially if they are new players.. gold inflation hurts new players MUCH harder then it hits those of you who have been around, and have already built up a minor fortune.