Guild Wars 2

Ninski.5680:

Anet needs to just change the MMR system back to S2\S3, look at how high the legend players are on the leaderboard #1 is 5×. S2 and S3 people were at 10x+. the old MMR system was thriving with much more life.

In season 2/3 the MM allowed for shorter queue times in legendary. Making the conclusion that S4 is less active because of how high people progress through legend division isn’t a good one. Queue times get exponentially longer as you go up in legendary divisions. If I’m not on at a certain time of day my ranked queues are 1hour+ at Legendary x3.

@Trevor Boyer. I often (back before HoT) would use marksmanship in the same way that Nila is, as a power house hitter with zerker. But I would also run a power ranger build with skirmishing instead with maurader that had more utility. They both work, but that small change has significant play-style differences.

Yeah there are some discrepancies between the video and the build posted. Either way, it’s good to see power ranger being run over meta build.

No matter the solution. PvP needs to be more rewarding. Your solution Cynz is to “go farm PvE,” but what about players, like me, who only PvP? I’ve played this game since Beta 99% PvP and the only thing that I have had the opportunity to get worth while was The Ascension, and that doesn’t even have any prestige anymore anyway.

@Cynz the issue you are talking about is not an issue with darres’ suggestion. It is an issue with how things are working right now…. You are discounting this idea because of long queue times for legendary player ATM…. But if what Grouch said about S5 is true, than they are going to fix a lot of those issues and this idea is great imo! How many threads have you posted that complaint on? a lot.

Cynz.9437:

You want to have potatoes with lot of money in legend? You want them on your team?
How about no?

What they should do is to put better carrots for reaching/farming tiers in higher divisions.

Also, the quality of matches needs to be better. Why even continue to queue when you reached legend? Matches are usually very one sided and unfun. Rewards are very poor in comparison to say mindlessly farming fractals.

you lost me at potatoes and carrots…. More brownies and cookies plz

I like it! Gives more incentive to PvP and gives PvP only players the ability to be rewarded monetarily for their success.

It was the same in S1 and S4 is S1 matchmaking. This was to be expected, don’t act like it wasn’t.

Of all of the core builds to run, I would say Core Altruistic Healing Shout support guardian is the most viable.

Obindo.6802:

R O C.6574:

Obindo.6802:

R O C.6574:

Obindo.6802:

R O C.6574:

When the other team’s lowest scoring player has more points then our top scoring player, and we still win the match XD

Then you donno how pvp works

??

It usually happens when we are outmatched in fights but we out-rotate the other team. FYI – you donno how spelling works. Save your hate for posts you actually understand. Are you saying that personal score DOES matter? Because my post is trying to communicate the opposite.

That you suggest to be surprised or find it hilarious/stupid to not be winning despite having higher personal score would indeed mean what I said. Also, how do I not know how to spell?

Oh man…

Donno is not a real word… Or any sort of slang i’m aware of, but your right, your spelling isn’t nearly as bad as your reading comprehension.

I had a couple matches where MY TEAM WON despite having a much lower personal score. I know what happened and why we won. We took points and held them while the other team was zerging us…

Donno is a contracted word meaning don’t know it’s not my problem if you can’t comprehend it. Why don’t you go ahead and tell people they don’t know how to spell because “ok” is not a word, when they say “ok”, or “ye” or “ait”. Btw, it’s “you’re” not “your” There’s nothing wrong with my reading comprehension, you’re free to point it out tho. Sorry, not “tho”, it’s not a real word! Though*

How long did you proof read your reply before submitting? :P

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Furious.1283:

Mel.8495:

its too bad if you dont want the money of us casual players, i bet a lot of people would gladly pay those 8000 (or more) gems to skip this season annoyance

I like working my way to whatever level I belong to. Paying to get to legendary has no merit whatsoever.

I agree. However, you could mount a similar argument for MMR putting you there instead of letting deeds speak of your skills…

If I understand how this is turning to be, the top 100 MMR will be sent directly to legendary without having to lift a finger to get there once the competition starts.

Why can’t it simply be a tournament ppl have to register in with a team and see how far that team goes?

You could look at it another way and the people with higher MMR will have a much harder time getting to legendary because from the get go they are matched with other high MMR people that are on their way to legendary.

For Future Stoof

Hey guys,

I’m going to keep the intro brief because I can never push through those long intros people have on stuff like this and then I end up leaving the page.

I just wanted there to be a productive post that serves to help with all of the complaints on build diversity. I main Mesmer and wanted to share some of the builds that I have been using. I don’t want this to only be a Mesmer topic, so post your alternative builds and I can add them to the top (if worthy).

I would prefer if those that suggest builds compete at high levels because I don’t want this to become a useless page with bunker thief, turret engi like stuff.

I hope competitive players add to this list, because it would increase the diversity of the playerbase and could help be constructive with some of the issues out there.

Remember: the key to alternative builds is to change your play-style along with the build. Play-style is what defines build diversity imo.

Mesmer:

Good ol’ Days Shatter – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAR8encfCNqhlpB2qBEgiFcjqMAWtfpOWr1c9cGehaD-TpBFwAMOCAtPIAEuAAAeAA12foaZAA

• This is my goto non-meta build atm. So strong against DH, but you have to be wary of thieves farming you.
• Spikes just like the old shatter mes, but with condi cleanse which is what it lacked before.
• Alternative is to run Dom over inspiration. In which I would go mauraders.

Traditional Mistrust Chrono – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAseWncfCdohlpB2qBMrhFcjqMAWtXDN3OpdoOWr1cF-TJhHwAAODAB3f4YZgxPCAA

• Mistrust stacks soooo much confusion. It is really fun, but doesn’t have the sustain that the meta build does. Playstyle with this changes so you have to pick and choose 1v1s, use portal like a shatter mesmer, and focus on +1’ing. Save AOE rupts for ideal situations like downed bodies (I’ve stacked 40 confusion on the whole other team this way.)
• Can take ‘Master of Fragmentation’ over ‘Ineptitude’ for another AoE rupt if you so please.

Meta Build – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAW8encfCdohlpB2qBEgilnj6sACgDDdxynHreQP0FF-TZRHwAEOIABeCAILDYe/BAXAAA

• It’s good. you know.

Core Rupt Mesmer – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAR8fl0nha1YZawGNwtGLvGEaAyZTO/RQOe5E6dwB-TpBFABKcQAOvMABXAgP2fAgHAQCHBAA

• This core mesmer build is also really fun. Vipers amulet with the GS is just a really unique, fun combination. This build allows for plenty of condi remove, but lacks utility due to no chronomancer.
• Centaur’s amulet combined with mantra heal helps with the awefully slow feeling of core mesmer after having chronomancer’s speed boost.
• This build has the potential to stack a lot of condis as well as burst dmg.

Necromancer:

Texbi Death Counter – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNBmWD7kGRoyGszGw2GgeTsgLYTjtmQ/C6qFAWAxXxu4YE-TpBHwAn3fQwDAIwBBgwRAIZZAAXAAA

Spectral Poison – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNBmWDbkjGauxebw2G4vxixgFvDDiHRqmQVYWF9zCADAA-TZRHABfXGYgjAQAPAA43fAgLCAA

Elementalist:

Menders Tempest – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJAodn0XCdOg9XCWYCcYilNAjYFkBqADPgAQB0dv+XPsA-TJRIABwXGAgHAAO7PM7JAAA

Engineer:

Paladin Scrapper – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFASnUUBFpiFYBubBEqilJjKc7Smwi+vr7+W8ZKgAA-TJBFAB/XGggLAAAPAga2fAA

Ranger:

Support Druid (Meta) – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAW8YnUqA1CiVsAOsActglZBzZqNnyaw/zC6D9JAUn+WlI9zA-TpBFABEcBAA4BA0fZgGOCALcQAEZ/BA

Thief:

D/P Dash – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoaVn8lCFOhlOBmPB8PhFYCzLNcGaDaJgAQGYOEeCbhA-TpBEABGcCAMvMAAHBgIOEAMt/ABPAAA

Guardian:

Core Altruistic Shout Support – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQNAW5el8AhWhY9QwUIwPEHLEU+F7v/3A8gBgvQFKBA-TJBIABAcRAyZ/BafCAxXGAA

Power Trap DH – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQNAT8en8cCVDhVdCmDB8DhlEi6aZDgEIb/+vAUe5j+sH-TJBFABiXGggLCAAPBga2fAA

DH Support – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQRApd8en8cCVDhFdCeDB8DhlEi6aZDgEQe5j+rHbDygVA-TpBFABAcEAI4gAgz+D9XGA4TAQDPAAA

Warrior:

M/sh GS Condi – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAR5enMdAtkiVhAehAElilqATpHE7yBIFgGQA4d02antA-TphGwAEeAALLDI4gAM4CAke/BAHBAA

Revenant:

Invocation Rev – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vlAQNAsemn3guNSuQ7JRboVlsP0rS4IaWJ4EdsklNFqNAH4B2B8gLkNMlZNA-TpBFABJcEAEvMADHCgS2fAgHAgAnAAA

Retribution Rev – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vlAQNAW8un3guNSuQ7JRboVlsP0rS4IaWJ4EdsklNFqNAH4BqxoG9wOgHchA-TpBFABAcEAaf/hGuAAtdQA+vMADPAAA

Your team has to hit yes too. Dude you are so paranoid! Why would a dev or admin have anything against a random pvper.

ConspiracyKing

It’s probably just that at 2am there is less of a player pool and the MM takes longer…… So paranoid haha.

+1 on thieves getting nerfed to the ground!!

There is more build diversity out there than you think guys… It is still fun to experiment with builds, just keep working with em….. Just yesterday I was playing around with core Mesmer builds and found one that allowed me to 1v2 a decent Mesmer and DH and had a 100% win ratio with that build.

Don’t give up, just make sure to change your playstyle with the new build you make. Don’t expect to make a damage dealing engineer build and then try to face-tank everything like a scrapper.

@BlaqueFyre As a thief you should never engage a scrapper on point, unless to shortly hold the decap for a teammate to arrive. It sounds like you are just trying to 1v1 every class you run into, which is quite dumb as a thief. Despite the fact that you are running staff, i’m sure, because that is the only thing you use in your examples.

If there should be any argument against scrapper it should be the rez power and the INSANE amounts of passives.

Zui.9245:

DeWolfe.2174:

The topic is misleading as you’ll be just as likely to get matched in Conquest with a full premade. Better to leave both Conquest and Stronghold checked and Q at the same time.

Yes, but people actually queue in teams for Conquest. So you’re much more likely to have queue pops that are not from your other team.

Additionally, it’s much faster to win Stronghold than it is Conquest.

If you’re doing this, there is literally no reason to have Conquest checked in your preferences, and every reason not to have Conquest checked.

If all you care about is getting to legend sure. But I hope that some people actually play the game because they like it. If I had to play stronghold to legend I would shoot myself…

If enough people complain about not getting the wings than I’m sure ANET will give you the ability to. Because they are all about that casual equality poop.

Faux Play.6104:

What makes this season bad is the incentive to lose. I had a match with ruby/ sapphire players on temple. I went home, and before I had home capped, all 4 were downed. There is no way anyone is that bad. Either they are intentionally playing bad, or they got carried based on the fact that they had to win matches based on the mm.

Believe it or not, I think people are actually trying. Most likely they all stood on point and died from DH traps, and then I’m sure they rush to forums to complain about OP DH.

Yasi.9065:

Id like to see YOU winning matches with teammates that die > 20 times. Thats NO exaggeration… last match I had a necro dieing 17 times…. match before that it was a DH dieing 21 times. A dh… the profession with most blocks atm.
And thats only the ones with most deaths. The rest dies usually around 10 times at least.

Sounds to me like you are spending too much time counting your teammates deaths rather than focusing on your own gameplay.

Cynz.9437:

FiveGauge.1357:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

I don’t think any other classes have a 2 to 3+ damage coefficient on most of their weapon skills.

Very perceptive, but high power coefficients are translating into what exactly? What if your power coefficient is out of this world but your pressure is unremarkable, should your power coefficients be reduced for being OP?

Scrapper pressure is unremarkable? Are we playing same game?

Scrapper on point pressure is insane… It runs into problems focusing pressure offpoint and on mid point in legacy… But I don’t think pressure is the problem, scrapper is one of the most passive classes with a lot of benefits. I.e. Stab on evade, prot on disable, elixir s proc, condition convert to boons, elixir B proc, heal skill recharge, Bunker Down, health regen with swift/superspeed. Good grief there is more than I realized. Scrapper is by definition a noob friendly profession to play. The problem is that they have all of these passives and make them a very random class to fight.

Would be interesting. It seems that people would just pick the settings that would give them a better chance to win, then people would qq about how they are being carried up the divisions by that…. Seems like a lot of programming to accomplish it too.

NICENIKESHOE.7128:

Seyiwaji.4082:

But it seems, I think ; This is what they have been doing for years. To nerf class based on complain and cry from the majority.

I will never forget “Mirror Blade” which is a perfect example.

Yet power mesmer is still not a thing in current meta. Wouldn’t be surprise if D/D ele is still weak even when they bring back celestial, most likely will indirectly buff D/F healbot instead lol.

I believe they balance around PvE rather than PvP though, that’s where majority of player base lies. But if they do balance around PvP based on popular opinions, then DH is most likely their next target and they would inevitably double nerf and kill other DH builds……and beating rev while they’re at it.

Try it out, it isn’t meta but definitely competitive in ranked.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAR8encfC1qhlpBOqBEgiFcjqMAWtf5cGeharOWr1cF-TpBFwAMOIA12foaZABHBAAPAACXAAA

coming from a decent to good competitive Mesmer.

kdaddy.5431:

You say balance principle and i say huh? I am on Crystal Desert borderlands for WvW and HOT classes are incredibly broken in small groups. Engy/warriors/mesmer literally walking into 2 vs 7-8 fights and able to run away and survive after a 2 minute fight. Then PvP has had these terrible balance issues since HOT arrived.

To be fair. The people in WvW are absolutely horrendous players and have no clue what they are doing.

I’m curious as to how long you have to wait? Queue times are not near as bad as they have been in the past. Are 5-10 minute queues making this game unplayable? If so, that is your problem.

TheFamster.7806:

seriously anet if you’re gonna give me 5 min + queue then at least make even match ups instead of forcing me to lose every single game. I know i already lost in the first mid fight when I down 3 people and im the only one cleaving while rest of my team is doing their own thing and not even bother stomping or cleaving with me. Seriously what more can I do to salvage this matchmaking? If you’re gonna give me bad match ups at least reduce my queue time from 5 min+ to 30 sec by putting random people in the match with me.

That way at least I know I can play the game and still lose instead of waiting forever for the matchmaking to screw me over

You’re asking too much. 5 min queue times is not bad. Ask all the people in the past seasons that move their way up quickly, they would have 30 min to 2 hour queue times. AND you don’t have to sit in the mists anymore. Queue times are not the issue. And ANET is not forcing you to lose, that is just an excuse you people throw out because you lose a lot. Matchmaking isn’t good atm, but if you belong in a certain division, you will make it if you play good enough. So work on getting better.

JTGuevara.9018:

Light Of The Abyss.5927:

Frostball.9108:

I think this is technically the old system we had, some things were exclusive to pvp and wvw and pve but again i think they decided to merge them more at some point. Dont quote me on this, im not sure. Wasnt there something mentioned about this though by them? Some sort of improvement, i forgot what it was.

Skills used to be split between the gamemodes. Then at some point (I think the big balance update before HoT) they merged all of the skills between the three gamemodes in order to “simplify” things for the new HoT stuff. Now I think they are realizing it isn’t a great idea and are splitting the skills again.

Is that right? If so, it’s no wonder why pvp is in this terrible state. I assume you’re referring about the June 2015 patch and the new trait system?

Yeah, that is what I was talking about. I just looked through them and found there were cases where they merged, but I think there were still some split skills at that point. I may be remembering wrong.

Biklen.5490:

Malediktus.3740:

Shovel Face.4512:

Season started last week and you already played 240+ games. Jesus.

Thats easy. I am also at 234 games already. Only 5 pips in diamond though.

I know people with 390++ games still in Ruby

Huh. Sounds like they made it to the division that they belong in.

Frostball.9108:

I think this is technically the old system we had, some things were exclusive to pvp and wvw and pve but again i think they decided to merge them more at some point. Dont quote me on this, im not sure. Wasnt there something mentioned about this though by them? Some sort of improvement, i forgot what it was.

Skills used to be split between the gamemodes. Then at some point (I think the big balance update before HoT) they merged all of the skills between the three gamemodes in order to “simplify” things for the new HoT stuff. Now I think they are realizing it isn’t a great idea and are splitting the skills again.

Light Of The Abyss.5927:

Skittledness.5106:

Dragon hunter is probably one it not easiest class ingame to outplay and or counter. If you struggle vs them is probably a l2p issue. I would suggest trying the meta build for a hour or so to get a feel for how they work

That’s a huge exaggeration, Jeff. I’m pretty sure y’all are just trying to keep DH from getting nerfed before worlds, cause M@0bs can’t do anything else… I tried to be on the L2P side, but it is flat out true that DH is overpowered atm.

Seems fair to me, that those less invested in PvP don’t get the chance to get it… But that’s just me

xKratos.4758:

Topher.5631:

HoT pets / Moa / Adrenal Health allowed?

Seems legit

You cannot use HoT pet without druids spec-in and as I said VANILLA mean Not HoT related specs. I can’t ban addrenal Because it a minor trait banning it mean banning the whole traitline that is mandatory for warrior And Moa mes is ban thanks for reminding me It just so natatural to assume Moa is ban in 1v1 I forgot to add it

HoT pets are available for everyone, not just HoT owners……..

Some of these bans are excessive. They were part of core gw2 and you are banning them. Not like ranger taunt is OP by any means now that it isn’t unblocker/unevadable… that’s just one example…… And for mesmer are you saying that you can only play condi mesmer if you are wielding a scepter? how dumb is that?

Half the player base is playing DH… Get mad at the people that just bandwagon on to the OP class of the season.

Moa isn’t OP… especially with all of the random/passive blocks out there. It was nerfed to be short enough that if you don’t instantly spike they will survive.

I don’t think y’all should be getting onto ANET for not allowing players to progress through the achievements or get the wings after the seasons. If they didn’t play a couple seasons, then that is their fault, not ANET’s.

Y’all are just Entitled, and shouldn’t be

A DH of equal skill level vs. Mesmer will always win. Not many DH have any skill at all, tbh. I’ve ran into one DH that I couldn’t 1v1 on mes, but even then I don’t have experience 1v1’ing good Dragonhunters.

I will make sure to rage quit everytime i’m in your team…. I needs da money

^ Not claiming they are OP. Just that people need to learn to fight them for long fights to occur.

Skittledness.5106:

Dh is very effective in the low tiers of pvp.
But in reality its effectiveness goes down the more people around him.
The meta longbow build beats,
Thief/invo rev/Mesmer/Necro
But it loses to
Paladin scrapper/menders Druid/retri rev.
This is assuming both people are playing optimally and are around similar skill range.

Dh can be easily focused and its defenses have high CDs leaving it vulnerable the bigger and longer the fights last.

It is not in God tier atm but is a solid pick over another bruiser.

True! Unfortunately, fights do not last a long time when most players are 1 shot by DH in first 10 seconds of fight.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Not going to lie matchmaking is pretty grindy at the moment.
But I would play with the most terrible matchmaking if they could somehow implement no class stacking in the ranked matchup.
I would deal with perma downstate all day knowing that there is no stacking.

If you implement such a rule for your highest level of play and do not carry it down to your “casual/lower levels” how do you expect players to enjoy the game the same way?

+1

I play all classes.

The balance after this last patch is much better imo… DH needs a bit of a nerf but it isn’t as bad as the forums imply.

I’m in. I’ll rek all core power ranger

Lez go bois

Shadow.1345:

Then given that only a few of the upper tier players seemed to notice this being a problem, enough to vocalize it, that caused a not fun experience I do find a certain lack of empathy for those now complaining about having to carry bads on their team. Particularly after watching pro players scout HotM for really low MMR players in order to lower their MMR via averaging the two for the party.

The only reason higher MMR players were doing that was to play games…. Without lower MMR in their party, the queue time would be up to 4 hours long. You are misinterpreting intentions and it seems pretty clear you have a strong bias against skilled players lol.

@Zelulose We get it. You hate DH. Stop posting it in every thread.

Zelulose.8695:

Then why didn’t we see much of every class in the qualifiers. 3 classes dominated aka were a must have.

First people complain about not every class being viable…. Now you are making the argument about not seeing enough of every class??!?!?!? Seriously???? The game will never get to a point where you people will stop complaining.