Guild Wars 2

OMG DH’s are weak they are in a very bad spot atm, if u die to a DH pls learn to dodge…
We got nerfed so many times, bla bla bla…
i did it for you @Kuya, now u dont have to even bother

Oh those rerolls are my favs
- Guys can any of you reroll?
- Sure!
- Rerolls to engineer
- Cant do kitten with it dies in seconds etc….

There is a reason someone qued up witha certain class, why not just make an mm without class stackin?

No sorry we thieves got nerfed so many times its our fetish, like please ahhhhh nerf meee ahhhhh nerf me to make my other weapon sets good, ahhhh give other classes more reveal yeeeeaaaaah im coming……

After 6 matches yeah i know after 10 ill be placed thingy, but lets sum it, i win or lost all my 6 games (3-3) like 100 to 500 i didnt have fun in any of them, eaither i win too easily or lost way too hard none of the matches had less then 3 DHs, one had a troll thief with full evade regen and staff holding mid i was the only one in my team who could time his attacks, i could hit him to 25% hp but others couldnt do anything, how can the mm be this hilarious, and okey after 10 matches mm will place you where u belong, well i dont think so, is it gonna see i was the only one not so stupid to start killing the troll thief at the begining no it isnt….
Another gem:
1 bunker ele 2 dps war 1 druid 1 dh against 3dh 1 bunker ele 1 engineer
Match started engi comes close i kill him, we loose mid okey it happens…
Okey this time we regroup (omg we actually regrouped not just went brainlesly to mid and die and die over again wow see good team) then we start our fight i dodge into mid to trigger traps if there are i trigger only a test of faith but then bamm our ele dies/gets into some traps and 2 guards spike him well its a kittenty situation but we can still win it happens, 2 tries to revive but you cant outheal the dhs damage (this time however no trap interrupts), after ele dies to direct damage we continue fighting, i target they ele because we dont have a chance to kill the dhs with the ele healing them up, but no matter how hard we try we just cant dhs sharing they aegis, sharing they nasty blinds ele doing its support and the engineer vomiting weakness evrywhere…. we all die… we are trying different tactics going far while keeping mid busy a bit, we cap it but if the masterrace goes together no chance….
Also other matches i get against players who barely understands the game, trying to blind me while i have a 12 secs resistance, goes offpoint letting me cap the point, chasing me just to get that kill while his team gets nuked, thief tries to fight our bunker ele at close leaving only after 3 minutes, i mean according to this game im rank 118 atleast pls match up with my rank level not people who dont understand basic concept of the game….
so after my 6th match which was a win 120 to 500 i queued up for the 7th but then i realized why, why would i queu i didnt have fun, i just wasted my night, probably lost some hair too, but when i won i wasnt even happy…..
Also i mostly play wvw but the way you dont introduce the new balance changes to wvw, is plain stupid, but atleast you can find some remains of fun there…..
(Inflitartors strike nerf, then increasing its range to 900 only in pvp, first it should be 1200 with the nerf, and not just only in pvp…)

or you could just simply backstab a guardian, because other classes aint really getting aegis

Aegis still cant be stolen so whats the point of the trait then?

so annyoing tho, why u get the mesage interrupted when it actually aint happens

Kicast.1459:

steelheart.7386:

maxwelgm.4315:

Core guardian virtues were buffed, the DH ones remain the same, with the added bonus that traps do not daze anymore and apply slow instead.

That said, slow is so deadly on this meta that anyone not running diamond skin or mallyx might as well give up on teamfights, the spam is too much to channel anything.

The change from daze to cripple is a huge nerf dont kid yourself.

It is not criplle it is slow. Slow is slowering your casts and not tour movements.

LoL just the usual DH player, defending its broken class yet dont know the dif between cripple and slow…

Why you cant interrupt downed skills?

Keadron.9570:

Thief is in a pretty good spot, ele is mostly just support, mesmer is burst condi, etc. All in all pvp isn’t too bad, you’ll just find new amulets and others have been removed. Not many builds now(two for some classes one for others) so won’t take you long to find what each is gonna bring.

Thief is quite useless in PvP compared to others calsses nowdays, in WvW still fun, but Anet really working on it to lose its fun to play feeling.
ICD on Blackstab & stealth skills, Inflitartors strike nerf etc

You shoudl really allow SA tho, if you really want to ban long fights then bann Shadow rejuventaion, but that would be a bad idea again because of initative regeneration, i really dont see the problem of SA if u have a 3 minute rule, also as someone mentioned + 1 stealth only increases the skills stealth not the combo fields and mostly d/p theives gains stealth thorugh fields.Thief is the only class which aint benefit from Hot since realse thief only got nerves, expect that Lead Attacks trait

Ps: I just want to help you no harm on anything

Btw the poll is a nice Idea too bad not the devs making it sigh

or just useful thieves

A thief defeating a DH

Vanilla Thief:

I try to escape if someone shows me a video where a Vanilla thief defeats average DH pls link me one(no p/p thief)

Specify what is your problem when u fight against a dragonhunter and what is your solution to it.

Problems:
- Shadowstep/steal you still get the damage from traps [no solution]
- Stealth attack ICD [ i usually shadowshoot, one to remove the block, if the dh dodges i just smash my face into the keyboard]
- spear of “justice” [dont teleport just dodge or u will be eaten by test of faith]

I usually win 1v30 fights too but sometimes my backstab only does 19k not 20k any thief tips deceiver?

Thief with no SA how he will cleanse condis then? O.o

I just loled on this post, thief got nerfed so much that theives asking for nerfs now, just wow….
Its like a fetish oh god nerf me pls, im so hard right now…………

As an interupter i had these skills: distraction daggers,/ headshot on 1 weaponset,bandit defense/ + impact strike (dont chain use it) These are kinda effective with an interrupter

It is a good skill i used it on my interrupt build 2.3kpower 1.2k condition damage, you interrupt their heals with distracting, or wars burst etc ^^
Also against noobs u just headshot-disd-headshot-disd-headshot bamm 15 stack torment 5 pulmonary 9/11 they die

We still have the 1 sec cd for stealth skills good job Anet ignore the community…….

I recebtly quit wvw because of boon aids, dont introduce them in pvp please, there arr already problems with it rev starting with 11 might, fury, perma stability and protection oh god protection is extremely strong and classes with high acess to it shouldt do weakness -.- 33% inc damage, enemy doing less by 50% and bamm thats how my thief does 630 critical wildstrike

I got a warn cos using cancer so i changed it to aids hope you appreciate my effort anet

“Is this why there are so many nerf dh threads in the pvp sub forum?”

signets wanted to be symbols but im sure u “didnt” get it

I like how evryone give a kitten about thieves u are like common thieves are not even enemies, i kill them accidentaly when i 1v1

No…..

Shadowshoot nerf stupid, redning shade nerf like for real? -.-,
HS range increase not needed,
Skill 2 Infiltrator strike still good? It is useless now for mobility condi cleanse is hialriously weak on it.
Skill 1 : Trick shot Is fine? It isnt, low damage, slow travel
skill 4 : Dancing Dagger bounce back to thief gain 1 initiative, good idea hwoerver i would add posion to it rather than this 1 initative

Others are meh too i think u write these in a hurry, thief need serious rework not minor cahnges like this, we have basically no hot mechanics expect that crappy +1 evade

If i could ban you from the forums Kuya.
Difference here above average players get rekt by DHs -.-

Newbie Thief: Sa is a must long stealth + healthregen -20% deception skill shorter SR

Advanced thief: Sa is foor noobs I survive without sa and i have more damage with DA. You all stealth spammer SA noobs get gud

Master Thief: SA is a must because only reasonable condi cleanse, teamsupport, Shadow rejuvenation also regens initative…

If u think SA is bad u are right, but its still a must because cleanse, SA thieves can get the fights with cancer builds, full dps cant full dps thief dies against boon cancer druid sa thief can survive can win(rather leace him tho)

Seeing all these YT or twitch guys kitten evryone with trickery daredevil Deadly arts ?
They die to condis in seconds they die in 3vs1 in a second.

U can say ah u are a naab get cleanse on evade u loose pulmonary , pulmonary become an important damage with hot.

Talking about PvP/WvW ( i dont do pve but for solo i would take SA there too)

I use BP + axes = infinite blind

Cynz.9437:

Fav skill: plasma probably – helps vs about any class, since thief generally has relative low access to boons.

Least fav: throw gunk – absolutely useless vs engis, outdated spell that doesn’t help is fighting engis at all, break stealth, applies reveal on the user and is groud targetting skill so extra clunky to use.

Throw gunk needs upgrade so it is actually useful vs engis. E.g. a field that strips boons and applies 1/2 sec daze.

I agree man it is absulutely crap against engineers i use gunk for etheral then projectile finishers but engineers has so many reflections that i just save gunk for the next fight

What is your favourite Stolen skill and why?
What is your least fav and why?
Would you change any of it?

Mine is is Throw gunk because of Etheral field(runing a hybrid build)
My least fav is Mace Head Crack its actually strong but i find it hard to land

I was just thinking about stolen skills because i would have prefer new type of stolen skills in HoT then this + 1 dodge, do you have any ideas pls share it? ^^

Merciful Ambush check it on wiki thats what u were lookin for also there is a funny support build with Superior Rune of Mercy runes

TheDevice.2751:

Kuya.6495:

you killed a beast at least. gg you

One of my teammates ACTUALLY left because of the DH stack.

After DH nerf DHs be like omfg Anet ruined DH it took me more then 2 seconds to kill someone….

Also dont even answer to Kuya he is that l2p dont get into traps if u see a DH u should range dps him guy i think he was the guy once who told me thief always hard countered thieves…

Jana.6831:

Just go for it.
See, even I as a vanilly D/D thief, without food, without boons with SIGNET OF SHADOWS gasp kill stuff in wvw. Is only bad if it’s bunkers but I heard that isn’t really possible in pvp right now, so with some practice you should have a good time.

vanilla thief is unplayable……. -.-

LETS buff condition mesmers moar yeah best idea evah

Oh also i know this is a pvp section but i stopped pvp because Dragonkitteners…(they were the last drop in my cup)

mrauls.6519:

If enemies know not to step into a trap, it can really mess with a Guardian.

I just laughed my kitten off…. u jsut spam your trap below your kitten , if you enemy is a melee he has no chance, zero, how u expect him not to get close to you? and luckily we have symbols evrywhere too and the best aprt 60% of the time in wvw maps they bug under the surface so u cant even see you are tickin 1k in a symbol but back to traps.
They daze with isntant cast -.- your spear of “justice” is basically unevadable 80% of the time it interrupt my evade but im still a noob so i try to evade it, 4 days ago that skill pulled me over sm wall, and a month ago i entered into sm via portal i had spear on me guardian used it and pulled me back through the portal….. and here is my fav combo spear of “justice” —> places Test of Faith --—> pulling you into it —-> bamm 4k —-> knocking you back with trait bamm 3-4k again —> and true shot in your face not even my 12 sec stunbreaker can save my kitten rip…….

Hybrid thief roll rampager or sinister because u are wasting stats with expertise hybrid thief aint needs condi duration because it depends on small condi bursts
Direct+2-4 condi stacks —-→ wainting in stealth (condi ticks) —-→ engaging again and so on

darres.8203:

aww man that really sucks
steal is such an important skill for thieves
I hope they fix this soon

Hehehehehe

Vasdamas Anklast.1607:

Menyus.4610:

(howerver spear of “Justice” which kinda undodgeable so u just can pull in…)

I’ve been wondering why did they fix it, making it dodgeable and then reverted to previous “undodgable” state couple patches later again.

Anet bugfixing, Infiltrator’s Strike was more improtant to fix….

“DENUDED for 5 seconds player can not apply any new boons.”

I like this idea thieves could finally get something like hot mechanic evryone can spam boons, we can make them loose this ability

howerver i woudlc hange this to this:
DENUDED for 5 seconds player can not receive any new boons.

Evilek.5690:

Menyus.4610:

Azure.8926:

Menyus.4610:

Sorry just trying to enjoy the game after hot as a thief -.-

Just do what everyone does and dodge through an area you think traps are in. As a thief you should have an easy time doing this, specially if your running dash and for panic moments you have your Shadow Steps like getting caught in Dragon’s Maw.

Your average Dragon Hunter isnt exactly subtle with their trap placement either…
Half a second is also gone faster than the more damaging traps can activate
Bringing Interrupts can help slightly since Guardian in general doesnt have consistent access to stability most of the time.

Yeah interrupts but u have so many passive blocks which makes interrupts useless, im running a thief interrupter which means im kinda expert at other classes skills which can be interrupted which build gonna use a skill which can be interrupted but these random blocks kills the fun for me but okey-okey lets just say this is your mechanic but u know its really annoying when u finally could win but oh look that DH just placed a trap which ripped your 25%hp nearly instantly + dazed hs, autoattack whatever u tried to use i also play warrior a lot same problem on it too but but double balanced stance helps a lot…… also(thief interrupt if we use headshot we uses 4 Initiative, so rip restealth)

Also telling me to dodge through the problem is not when he sits on it (howerver spear of “Justice” which kinda undodgeable so u just can pull in…) the problem is when he place intant traps while healing or reading an article about how condi mesmers still in-game on his phone and bamm u just got dazed and kitten d…. also major adept trait…..

Guardian was always hard for a thief but i get to the point where i just stealth away not even try to bother, the spawn is far away……

Passive block on guardian right ? Show me your play time on your guardian because write passive block on guardian really need courage.

And let me tell you a secret, Thief hard conter every single guardian in sPvP =)

“Hard counter” after reading this i cant take your seriously…..

Azure.8926:

Menyus.4610:

Azure.8926:

Menyus.4610:

Sorry just trying to enjoy the game after hot as a thief -.-

Just do what everyone does and dodge through an area you think traps are in. As a thief you should have an easy time doing this, specially if your running dash and for panic moments you have your Shadow Steps like getting caught in Dragon’s Maw.

Your average Dragon Hunter isnt exactly subtle with their trap placement either…
Half a second is also gone faster than the more damaging traps can activate
Bringing Interrupts can help slightly since Guardian in general doesnt have consistent access to stability most of the time.

Yeah interrupts but u have so many passive blocks which makes interrupts useless, im running a thief interrupter which means im kinda expert at other classes skills which can be interrupted which build gonna use a skill which can be interrupted but these random blocks kills the fun for me but okey-okey lets just say this is your mechanic but u know its really annoying when u finally could win but oh look that DH just placed a trap which ripped your 25%hp nearly instantly + dazed hs, autoattack whatever u tried to use i also play warrior a lot same problem on it too but but double balanced stance helps a lot…… also(thief interrupt if we use headshot we uses 4 Initiative, so rip restealth)

Also telling me to dodge through the problem is not when he sits on it (howerver spear of “Justice” which kinda undodgeable so u just can pull in…) the problem is when he place intant traps while healing or reading an article about how condi mesmers still in-game on his phone and bamm u just got dazed and kitten d…. also major adept trait…..

Guardian was always hard for a thief but i get to the point where i just stealth away not even try to bother, the spawn is far away……

Wait you have trouble dealing with traps on WARRIOR as well? man this sounds like a pretty heavy Learn 2 Play issue. I dont think ive ever met a warrior whos said they have had trouble with DH Traps.

For the record you can move and DODGE while Dazed.

I have problem with daze u master pro pvper, ultimate trap defender trap damage is lets just say “okey” but psot was about daze

Azure.8926:

Menyus.4610:

Sorry just trying to enjoy the game after hot as a thief -.-

Just do what everyone does and dodge through an area you think traps are in. As a thief you should have an easy time doing this, specially if your running dash and for panic moments you have your Shadow Steps like getting caught in Dragon’s Maw.

Your average Dragon Hunter isnt exactly subtle with their trap placement either…
Half a second is also gone faster than the more damaging traps can activate
Bringing Interrupts can help slightly since Guardian in general doesnt have consistent access to stability most of the time.

Yeah interrupts but u have so many passive blocks which makes interrupts useless, im running a thief interrupter which means im kinda expert at other classes skills which can be interrupted which build gonna use a skill which can be interrupted but these random blocks kills the fun for me but okey-okey lets just say this is your mechanic but u know its really annoying when u finally could win but oh look that DH just placed a trap which ripped your 25%hp nearly instantly + dazed hs, autoattack whatever u tried to use i also play warrior a lot same problem on it too but but double balanced stance helps a lot…… also(thief interrupt if we use headshot we uses 4 Initiative, so rip restealth)

Also telling me to dodge through the problem is not when he sits on it (howerver spear of “Justice” which kinda undodgeable so u just can pull in…) the problem is when he place intant traps while healing or reading an article about how condi mesmers still in-game on his phone and bamm u just got dazed and kitten d…. also major adept trait…..

Guardian was always hard for a thief but i get to the point where i just stealth away not even try to bother, the spawn is far away……

Sorry just trying to enjoy the game after hot as a thief -.-

Do they really need to daze? sigh…..

not a bad idea i would vote for a longer poison or a short cripple

Alex Shatter.7956:

Mesmer is fine. Power shatter still isn’t a thing, all good condition amulets were removed, alacrity was halved, well of precognition was deleted, quickness doesn’t affect res stomp, and Moa was cut 40%. I’m not sure what else there is to nerf. Also thief has the #2 dps…?

And your were the type of guy on forums who said that time too “Mesmer is fine”…..

Its a good build trust me, Chief Warlord Ásnúg here matey, for some reason this build crits quite much high regen and its power in its suprise (people cant decide your opponent is direct or condi damager)

SA is a defensive trait line it doesnt need any more damage traits, sadly this trait is pretty straight forward down mid(maybe up) and mid………
Maybe add more diversity and normal traits that i wont laugh my kitten off…..
Cloaked in Shadow a major grandmaster trait i laugh evrytime i read it
Lookin at major adept traits who would throw up thieves only condi remove……
Maybe add some group supporting traits to Major Adept traits……
And add conri remove to other trait lines like guardians can remove condi when they block -.- they have like condi immunity…..
While thieves if no SA u f**d up…..