Guild Wars 2

I dont think a time based assumption for damage is accurate. You should do raw number data and work in the damage for each combination. Because if somebody stuns and 100b or just presses 1 the time will be different on the kill, if that makes any sense. Its a good over view guess but not that accurate. Maybe you could figure out how much health the medium thing has and divide that by the seconds it took, but still, not that accurate because its most likely an average of multiple tests.

Im not being disrespectful, just honest. Im glad you are crunchin numbers though more people should, myself included. Or maybe I’m wrong and misread something. Either way good luck.

Players like that are rare indeed, but they do exsist, i think there are more than a handful but not alot on each tier matchup. So we are spread between matchups on our servers so its hard to run into each other. I wish we could would make WvW more fun for everybody trying to find good fights.

You could go Axe/x shortbow with traps, rabid armor with apothecary jewelry for some healing power as a start. Maybe run spirits if you dont want to run traps, it really depends. Ive been wanting to try spirits with condi/healing i think it could be really interesting.

But if you want to run traps you could run 2 traps with signet of the wild for some regen and run healing spring for your friends. Possibly dwayna runes if you want.

I agree but doubtful ranger will get much love and it will be mostly about necros

undead runes and the bleed on crit sigil with traps is a fantastic build

and yes jcbroe axe and or shortbow with sword is good, with any offhand you want pretty much. i prefer torch or dagger myself.

I can agree with this, keeping it within 600 range and maybe make it not last as long since you can throw it in a radius of 600. I dont think it would be OP and would give off-hand axe alot more utility without alot of change.

Ryan.8367:

You’re on Jade Quarry, the servers you’re up against usually are jus full of bads. I wouldn’t be surprised if a ranger can pull off duos there. Any class could probably do fine on one of the biggest zerg ball servers there is. I don’t get how that means the ranger doesn’t have issues though. Try that kitten against Maguuma roamers , haha.

When im killing the duos i myself am not standing inside of a zerg ball and either are they so what you are saying is kind of irrelevant. Sure the players are not good, hell i beat a 4 man once completely solo. My point which is the reason im here and you are reading is that rangers are fine 1v1. in 2v2s. and 5v5s. Are we the best? no. are we second best? probably not. But are we fine? yes. Should people complain for 4 solid week? probably not. If your only defense now is that rangers arent good because i play on JQ and other people zerg there, then we are in bad shape brother.

nice dps, always like seeing people do different stuff on rangers. keep it up

Rangers can kill duos, solo, pretty well in WvW if played right, to me that means they are fine, and we shouldn’t kitten about stuff that wont change until anet wants to change them.

Its not an overstatement to say that rangers are fine. Which is what I said in my first post. Rangers are fine, even you agree.

I think you are taking what I said too personally. I mean the community is crying, not you. Post something about fixing a problem instead of stating what it is. Everyone has read the same posts about how bad rangers are and why for the last 3 weeks. All I’m saying is you the COMMUNITY quit crying and throwing your tears in the air. It solves nothing, as you know and still cry. Make new builds and share them or talk about new ideas to make ranger better. But making a post saying “i cant play ranger and this is why so ill quit but not really”. Its not helpful or insightful for new players or new rangers.

you are agreeing with the community that is crying, how did i misread?

SynfulChaot.3169:

Miiro.3124:

so tired of reading posts about how bad rangers are. I do fine on my ranger. you guys over exaggerate so kittening much its painful. I understood after the patch you guys would cry and cry but its been a couple weeks now… Can you guys grow a pair and move on or get better with the current ranger? kkthx

Sry, Miiro. I can’t entirely agree with you.

Rangers aren’t as terribad as some say. But they are nowhere near where they should be power-wise. There is a reason why the entire community considers them the worst in dungeons and WvW. It’s not because the community is only filled with bad players. It’s because the ranger has serious issues that affect it’s performance. The only reason it’s not at the bottom in PvP is that many of it’s issues are partially mitigated by the point defense style of play in PvP.

We’re not dead, but rangers are in serious need of a revamp. If you can’t see that, then you are one of the many players holding us back by telling ANet that we are fine where we are.

These are the exaggerations I’m talking about. If you said only in Dungeon groups I would agree. But wvw and spvp are completely fine on ranger. No need to cry and throw your tears in the air. If you cant play ranger effectively maybe you should try another class. I cant play every class great but it doesnt mean those classes suck or need buffs. It means I’m not experienced enough to play it well. My feelings arent hurt and either should yours.

swiftpaw.6397:

Miiro.3124:

so tired of reading posts about how bad rangers are. I do fine on my ranger. you guys over exaggerate so kittening much its painful. I understood after the patch you guys would cry and cry but its been a couple weeks now… Can you guys grow a pair and move on or get better with the current ranger? kkthx

I love deluding myself too.

I’m far from fooling myself sir.

so tired of reading posts about how bad rangers are. I do fine on my ranger. you guys over exaggerate so kittening much its painful. I understood after the patch you guys would cry and cry but its been a couple weeks now… Can you guys grow a pair and move on or get better with the current ranger? kkthx

I want my RTL up every 5 seconds a stun breaker and 8sec stability on every utility. I want the highest dps on every ability I have. Any time that I feel slightly in danger I should be able to mist form for 20 seconds to find the nearest gate entrance. Oh and the mist form cooldown should only be 5 seconds but last for 20s. If this doesn’t happen then eles are the worst class ever anet and its all your fault.

solid warrior video

Try 0/10/30/10/20, full dwayna runes. Whatever weapons you want should be okay, at least a good place to start.

turn off auto attack L2P

I rarely lose 1v1’s with my sb/gs ranger in wvw. Its possible to beat duos too. I hear the QQ but when I play ranger I dont feel the gimpness.

“give us something there is nothing much in a ranger nothing our weps are with pure skills maybe sword for evading nothing more ..”

Evades work.

I guess if you just stand there without pushing any buttons its hard to win vs a 100b warrior.

i fight at probably 400-500 range with my shortbow and they are trying to close the gap, as they do i dodge thru them and shoot rinse repeakittens not 6 stacks of bleeds 100% of the time but its decent.

Yeah thats a cool idea, as long as it keeps the same adrenaline pool

So you are saying t1 and t2 should never fight each other because there is simply no way a t2 server can beat a t1. And thats where we disagree.

Hey, I don’t main warrior and only know a little bit really. But I was thinking today it would be cool to designate your F1 ability to an offhand if you wanted to and maybe giving more options with the off hand and different abilities between say axe off-hand and axe mainhand. Would this be too OP? Could it help warriors in diversity? I just wanted to share some thoughts.

Oh and to make it clear you could also keep the mainhand abilities but you would have to choose, somehow to change to offhand or stay mainhand for the F1.

I wouldnt run frenzy and pick up stability spec alright tho.

thief and warrior

Really, I’m not joking. Yes I want to be like Fort Aspenwood this week. Something different is something, but fighting the same guild zergs for 4 months is not appealing. So truly, no joke.

JQ/SoR/BG been fighting each other forever except that one week. Getting pretty boring expecting new matchups. . .

Puandro, you baddie. Longbow zerker with bear pet is literally the only way to go. Go big or go home.

All i want to hear is a non-shady answer on what they want rangers to excell in, and how they want that to be done. I dont want to hear some black and white answer just a general…
“i want rangers to be able to do ______ while also being able to _ and not being too over powered in the sense of _______.”

How do they see rangers and what will they do to project this idea?

Hey guys, been running this build before and after the patch and it still is just fine. Thought I would post my build in case anyone would want to try it out since rangers are “hurting”.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/ranger/?6.0|1.1g.h4|5.1g.h14|1n.71d.1g.71d.1n.71d.1g.71d.1n.71d.1g.71d|21l.0.21l.0.31l.0.1k.67.1k.67.2s.0|0.a5.u18b.a3.k15|1k.8|4j.4q.4r.4w.55|e

I still use shortbow because the range thing didn’t really effect me unless they are running away further than 900 in which case I just swoop 1100 units and hit them or pull out shortbow afterwards and kill them then. The dmg is still there so its fine.

My pets still do decent dmg although I have noticed a lowering in the burst but I can still drop people with my pets. Ive been using a jaguar and owl after the patch but I’m always changing pets to see what feels best for me, I suggest the same approach for your playstyle.

I feel 800 healing power is the sweet spot so I wanted to do more dmg while still remaining tanky on my ranger. Its more a sustainable damage build, for solo roaming for 5manning assisting in WvW.

If you get in trouble in a 2v1 situation or something swoop out, heal, then GS #4 to block and you are at full health again, can swap back to shortbow and get back into the fight, rinse repeat, just like your typical BM build. This just does a little more damage in my opinion and how I like to play. Just thought I would share. I would make a video if I knew more about editing and stuff like that. Enjoy!

turn off auto attack and play better. Learning to play inquires not having the game press 1 for you.

Its an important point that rangers need to get over, rangers doesnt mean ranged only dispite what you guys want to think. If you disagree with this it doesnt matter. Anet believes this and so do most skilled rangers out there. It isnt a hard concept to understand.

I can agree with that Azreell

People want to read things on this forums as one way or the other, I don’t understand why it cannot be both. If somebody cant use lore to express how rangers are not locked into a range only option then what else should they use?

Would you walk up to an Army Ranger and say he is only a sniper? No, because an Army Ranger is somebody who moves over various different terrains and still gets the job done. It has nothing to do with his ability to range something, it means land. So go look that up in your latin books because the class name isn’t arcus.

Ranger doesnt mean ranged only, if that was the case Army Rangers would only be snipers. Idk how many times I’ll have to say that, but prolly alot more.

If you can’t play ranger after “SO” much effort maybe you should quit gw2 or play another class.

My BM ranger runs SB/GS and I haven’t lost a 1v1 in WvW since the patch, sooooo….. I guess I have to make a video or be a anet employee but you know it can be done. Go to the store and buy some kleenex and rework your build again.

BlusterWolf.2103:

Well, after 2 hours in Spvp, I gotta say my sub-par ranger BM build dont really get hit hard, although my bird F2 is no longer that hard hitting, but slash actually get buffed lol, the only changes I made is I replaced my pet move 30% faster with grants might on crit, and forced to replace muddy terran with signet of hunt and change 2 Lacerating Slash into chill slash and blind slash. I run 0/20/30/0/20. Shortbow down to 900 range is acceptable in Spvp since most fight you encountered are within 900 range anyways.

But the point is since other under powered classes get buffed a lot besides warriors(I still think warriors get an slightly overall buff), these rangers changes basically makes us less demanded again.

Do you dislike the muddy terrain change? I wasn’t sure how I felt about it because it gives 2s of cripple now which is pretty cool but the cool down and timer changes made me wonder.

Aden Celeste.3650:

Hey Miiro, no one is saying that a ranger cannot fight, after all, your individual skills make the difference in small battles. The problem is that any class can do it much better now, with half the effort of your skills. When you speak like that, it tells devs that nerfing the class is ok without any reward and the pets should not be improved. Good for you, you can fight in wvw, but do not ignore the rest of us mortals.

I didn’t intend to sound as if I’m above anyone, but maybe give some hope on looking at the patch half full. I’m not happy with the new patch but people don’t have to reroll, just maybe rework something in their build.

i still think cats auto attacks arent that awful, the f2’s took a hit for sure though.

I noticed this aswell.

I still enjoy my ranger and I don’t think the class is broken. Hope some of you rangers can feel the same!

condi thief can stack far more bleeds WITHOUT flanking so your arguement is even more invalid. Do you go on their forums and say the same thing? I doubt it, you just want to stir the pot

you cant stack the bleeds simply if the other player has a brain. you have to flank the enemy.

I wonder if you have every played a ranger. To call them OP is pretty much an overstatement and almost anyone can agree with that.

are they useable? yes.
I dont think that made them OP and if you are RUNNING from a ranger in the first place you deserve to die to bleeds ya baddie. Troll more on your mesmer forums but you are prolly taking a break from your tear circle.

actually at max range with a longbow you do about the same damage as a short bow while flanking still. sooooooo pick your poison.

interesting builds for sure, i actually ran one of them last night in spvp just messing around. Im still unsure what i will do with my ranger in WvW though. I go based on how the class feels more than numbers. But numbers dont lie so they are great too. thanks for posting Faux.

eles lost RTL and the world has to stop while thieves get whatever they want.

if you mean buffed by kept the same while lowering shortbows range yes i guess.

So many free bags from DB so far, keep it up DB keep makin me rich!

That’s the spirit