Guild Wars 2

Orion Magus.5348:

Was expecting something serious but this will do. At least I can walk away from the forums with a smile today.

You get out what you put in ;D

Didn’t read posts, but I’d say between the two, Asura all the way. All Charr look the same, and Asura has the best dance!

Malefactor.2971:

It is quite good, right up until you hit Orr.

My least favorite zone(s) in 15+ years of MMO gaming, by a long shot.

This is just Poison, honestly.

I LOVE this game, I love running around, and seeing new things. I have an 80 mesmer, and I still haven’t gotten 100% world complete, so I’m still running around seeing what I can find, and I Love It!

Every corner there is something new and breathtaking, something exciting. I have to avoid some events, even though it’s hard, just because I’ll get stuck for too long in an area if I dont’.

I honestly feel sorry for ppl that raced to 80 as fast as they could in order to farm Orr like some Chinese bot. It’s a gear grind WoW mentality that I am happy to be free of.

I’m so glad that I can take my time and truly appreciate the art that as gone into this world, and also I appreciate that I have a real job, and so I never have to farm Orr for mats :X

Primal.9513:

MrMacAndCheese.3907:

I play a support/heals mesmer. I’ve always veered towards tanking or heals. If there’s one thing I’ve learned, there are two types of mmo’ers.

The selfish, rock star dps, who demands the spotlight, and the tanks/heals who really keep the ship afloat. If dps is the lead guitar, then tanks are the drummers, who set the pace, and heals are the bass, who hold down the line and keep it going.

Point being that I highly suspect that all the Traherne haters are rock star dps types, and they so hate sharing the spotlight. They so hate that anyone but them could save the world, and that in fact it takes actual cooperation and unity in order to dominate.

Eat rocks dps, cry me a river. Be ressing you soon.

I played 90% of the time as a healer in other MMOs, yet I still can’t seem to relate even remotely to Traherne. You meet him, your mentor dies, you’re stuck with him without being able to choose anything. I felt like he popped out of nowhere to replace my mentor, who had to die in order to create a dramatic feel.

So yeah, I’d definitely kill him if I could.

I’m still not sure what ppl are so upset about as far as Peronal choices and whatnot. Tre AND You are being swept up in history. You have BOTH been caught up whithin a saga much bigger and older then both of you. I think there is a point being made here about working together though, that Is Prevelant throughout the game.

Let me say that one more time: I think there is a point being made here about working together, that is Prevelant Throughout the game.

So many ppl feel slighted, because in their personal story, they were asked to ONLY be the one being who unified the three factions and all the races to fight the Elder Dragons.

But because your toon is only the advisor, i.e. the one and only person to whom the general takes advice……because you only call the shots, yet you aren’t the public face of the general, you take offense, and cry. Cry so much.

Dante.1508:

Totally agree, the NPC is just pitiful, everything about trahearne screams annoying

^^^rockstar dps…..i can smell you from here

alcopaul.2156:

i thought my character is going to be the one saving the tyria.

really.

The story is about ALL races coming together to cooperate. Each dungeon is about reunitining Divinity’s Blade. Personal Stories not only focus on all races working together, but the three factions as well. Priory, Whispers, and Vigil all have to work together to dominate. Your toon is the one that unites the factions. Your toon is the true power behind the puppet general. Don’t you guys know how poilitics really work?

Tre is the public face, the puppet, even though he never wanted it. He can’t make a move without Your input. You are still the true power, but uniting all the races and factions is the number one priority, so any action made by you or him that would conteract that simply won’t exsist.

I play a support/heals mesmer. I’ve always veered towards tanking or heals. If there’s one thing I’ve learned, there are two types of mmo’ers.

The selfish, rock star dps, who demands the spotlight, and the tanks/heals who really keep the ship afloat. If dps is the lead guitar, then tanks are the drummers, who set the pace, and heals are the bass, who hold down the line and keep it going.

Point being that I highly suspect that all the Traherne haters are rock star dps types, and they so hate sharing the spotlight. They so hate that anyone but them could save the world, and that in fact it takes actual cooperation and unity in order to dominate.

Eat rocks dps, cry me a river. Be ressing you soon.

My iWarden still attacks immediately, so this topic statement is not true.

+1
It’s not always easy to determine game distance. It’s better to just be cut off for being wrong, rather then punished with a wiff and full cd.

Sounds like fun!

oops…I missed it…I was at work.

What is GMT? God Bless America!

Because it’s one level higher then 39?

I don’t think this arguement will ever go away, but I’ve lvl’d my main Mesmer to 80, and it was never easier or harder at any point. I’ve more or less been doing the same things the whole time.

Traits are nice little perks, but they wont suddenly make you good.

Some ppl like to tout certain traits as the be-all-end-all-traits that Finaly Make Mesmer Fun (clone on dodge, bleed on crit), but I assure you this is all just build pumping.

If you hate everything that you do from lvl 1-39, ie. creating clones, phantasms, confusing, shattering, stacking conditions, floating like a butterfly, stinging like a bee, then hitting lvl 40 traits are not going to suddenly make the class “viable”.

It makes me sad that this stigma seems like its here to stay. It’s like all these Warriors make Mesmer alts, then whine about how it sucks until so-and-so-lvl and it will never go away, like Bloody Mary.

Send me all your Karka shells! I’m making Apothecary gear, and pretending I can heal with my mes

I use Scepter all the time.
The block seems fine to me, works just right. Maybe it’s some lag issue others are having?

While fighting the Ranger boss guy in AC who starts off on a pedestal, I was using staff and clones from the side, but the shots followed terrain, and so went down into the chasm and were worthless. Point being that scepter is our true range weapon. Pistol only has the phantasm and one-off stun thing.

For consistant range damage, we only have the scepter. Having said that, the scepter has very Piss Poor damage, so that should be fixed.

I know and understand how the scepter is good at generating clones and why that’s good, but we already have utility skills that do the same without doing damage.

A weapon should do considerable damage.

Edit to say the beam damage is good. I’m talking about the lobs.
I was throwing lobs at a mob that showed NO health in his bar and he still wouldn’t die until I shattered. This was a trash PvE mob. That’s pretty useless.

Edit: again because I just remembered the GS is ranged too, lol?

Hi cond damage, Toughness, Vit.

Point staff at vet karkas. Hit skills on cd. Run in circles.

If all skills are on cd, then switch to other weapon set and use those until you can switch back to staff.

Don’t forget to keep running in circles and occassionaly “dodging” by double tapping the direction keys.

If I want to farm for endgame gear, I’ll go back to TERA. Farming Orr is a state of mind that only belongs to people I pity. Therefore, the lack of tagging capabilities of a mesmer in Orr is…..how you say….nothing?

After awhile, you have to start wondering who these builds are for. I mean, if everyone comes up with a great build, and decides to share it, who will care?

I mean, because everyone else is working on a build to post and talk about. So who are these builds for? So many ppl talking, no one listening.

Who out there needs a whole sight of builds? Who can’t play the game and figure out what’s good without doing what someone else said to do?

On topic: this is the mesmers forum for gw2. It’s a forum all about mesmers. Looks like you found it.

Navi.7142:

that was very interesting, but not really meaningful (related to the topic)

thanks for contribution and enjoy your mesmer =)

Except for Phantasmal Healing being lackluster, as expounded in my other post on the subject, I find the mesmer delightful, and any changes have had little to no impact on my playtime.

Maybe not the answer you were hoping for, but nevertheless (related to topic)mk?

I hope I used “expounded” right, lol. Never tried it in a real sentence before.

Soooo, I guess regen on phants is a fail. Gonna respec to pwr/prec and GS/Sw+Sw for fun I guess, and give up on some convaluted dungeon support spec. Just hope these pug guys will not kick me.

Embolism.8106:

The reason the Staff is so commonly used is because even in non-condition builds, the Staff has excellent defensive capability in Phase Retreat, Chaos Armour and Chaos Storm (which gives Aegis to allies and Dazes enemies). You wouldn’t use a Staff to DPS in a Power build, you use it to escape sticky situations.

I’d say the reason the Staff is so commonly used is because it’s super easy and fun.

almost 80

feeling super duper

point and shoot, run in circles

is so easy

butterflies

Pyroatheist.9031:

MrMacAndCheese.3907:

Pyroatheist.9031:

The mesmer only has 2 mainhand weapons: The scepter, for mid-range condition damage; The sword, for close range damage. As you can see, the mesmer is obviously missing a weapon,Additionally, while the scepter is our mid-range condition damage weapon, it is completely unacceptable in its current form, and needs to be revamped.

This is just too funny. First of all, two handed weapons no longer matter? Second of all, right now I’m lvl 78 on my mesmer.

I USE SCEPTERS that I make all the time, and PVE IS NOT HARD, EVER!

Mainhand pistol would be fun, but if it’s what’s holding you back, it won’t make you any better at this point.

People say scepter sucks? maybe….but i rock it….

it’s not the game, it’s you.

Being level 78 on your mesmer, you will not have experienced attempting to tag mobs during DEs in orr.

This is how it’s always going to be, huh?

Unless I’ve been 80 for weeks and farming Orr like a bot, I have no idea what I’m talking about?

Whatever. Scepter works becuase I MAKE IT WORK!
It could be any weapon, I would make it work for me.

If you see me in Orr, farming like a chinese bot, shoot me in the head, cus farming is not a Fun Game that I would play.

Pyroatheist.9031:

MrMacAndCheese.3907:

Pyroatheist.9031:

I actually run a build in dungeons and some pvp right now that is 0/0/20/20/30. It is a massively defense focused build with full soldiers (power/vit/tough) on every piece of gear I have, coming out around 1800-1900 toughness and 26000 hp. I won’t go into it much right now, as I’m working on a guide for it that I’ll post soon, but those traits certainly do get some use and utility, that’s for sure. They aren’t a complete bust.

Well ya, I almost never die or not rally. Thing is, I did as well before the Vit and Healing. I mean, I really don’t think I need the extra vit at all. I’m only in the line for the support traits, which is my issue.

But ya, we can tank. Even without the Inspiration line.

The key with my setup is 100% uptime on retaliation, which is where a majority of your PvP damage comes from, and a massive amount of PvE as well, against certain types of mobs.

In a lot of testing vs another guy in sPvP, his kill log was consistently showing 13k-18k damage from retaliation during the fight.

Not to belittle retaliation, but we can keep Chaos Armor up almost 100% without traits, as well as confusion ( which hurts when acted upon, similer to retal) without traits.

Isn’t tanking with retal more of a Guardian thing? Why would a mesmer do this when they can just avoid hits?

Pyroatheist.9031:

I actually run a build in dungeons and some pvp right now that is 0/0/20/20/30. It is a massively defense focused build with full soldiers (power/vit/tough) on every piece of gear I have, coming out around 1800-1900 toughness and 26000 hp. I won’t go into it much right now, as I’m working on a guide for it that I’ll post soon, but those traits certainly do get some use and utility, that’s for sure. They aren’t a complete bust.

Well ya, I almost never die or not rally. Thing is, I did as well before the Vit and Healing. I mean, I really don’t think I need the extra vit at all. I’m only in the line for the support traits, which is my issue.

But ya, we can tank. Even without the Inspiration line.

Zid.4196:

Depends on your ratios.

With full malice no power it’s best to have only clones.

With a mix of malice and power it all becomes a lot of math…at some point phantasms will make sense.

With no malice and a lot of power you can use staff in a shatter build but dont expect a lot of damage from the clones autoattack.

lol math….

don’t listen to this guy, no disrespect…..

but the staff is just point and shoot, honestly. It’s the laziest weapon ever, and a mystery to me why ppl say mesmer is hard when all you need is a staff and a little patience. Look up Mr.Prometheus guides if you really want an in depth view at all the mesmer weapons. Aside from that, its just hit skills on cd, stick move, #2 out of chaos storm for bonus chaos armor.

TheComet.6471:

If you’re really hellbent on healing, I’d suggest running Water/Flock/Dwayna runes with restorative mantras and Mantra of Healing+Mantra of Pain.

You can pile on AoE heals using that, but it takes some getting used to.

Ya….after looking more into that Mantra healing thread, I see the wisdom of your words. Truth is though, that I was more hellbent on reflecting things 3x as many ways as I can now.
But to do this, I have to commit 20 trait pts in Vit and Heals, 20 points I can’t use anywhere else, even though it’d be a Good Idea to do so.

Ok, so let’s say you’ve given up the dream to be a GS spanker, a Sw/Pistol phant spammer.

Let’s say that you just want to reflect things with your focus, cus it Might Be Neat and Stuff.

That’s all good cus you put 20! trait points into a line that :

Grants retaliation to phantasms….great cus I hear they migh grant regen to allies.

Gives 20% more hp to phantasms….great cus I hear they might grant regen to allies.

Phantasms grant regen to allies….only they don’t. Just kidding, unless you are on top of them every other Sunday.

AND THEN, you can get some sketchy reflection skills. THAT NO ONE WILL EVER GET OR USE!

Why would they? 20 trait points down the toilet.

Make it work!

Ya….I’m really starting to think that this is a terrible mesmer idea.

Strong trait ideas that just aren’t working.

I mean, I’m never far from my phantasms….not in any real sense of the word. We are always in the thick together, and I’m not getting any regen at all from them.

It’s tricky enough to place reflections, which is what this build is going towards, but if I have to drop a Warden right on top of an allie to heal like 300 hp, then this trait line is a total bust.

I’ve already tried mesmer with pretty much every other weapon combo and trait setup, and I like them all. This is just the one I wanted to work, and I don’t think it does.

I use the Scepter all the time. I use Scepter #1 auto attack when I am running around, trying to access the situation. While I am mindlessly lobbing clones at the mob, I am finding a good spot to stand, finding some poor warrior to res, or planning out my next attack.

Once my plan is in action, I have some clonefodder to shatter for: mediocre aoe damage, confusion stacks, stun (daze?) always fun at a party, or invulnerabilty (as if I’d ever need it).

I often wish that scepter #1 did more base damage, but if it did, then I wouldn’t have to think at all, and might as well be an engineer.:)

Pyroatheist.9031:

Edit: Something else to mention is that the aoe regen does not apply to the phantasm that generates it, only targets within the aoe radius. Additionally, I actually read your initial post, and if party healing and utility is what you are looking for, I recommend exploring a healing mantra build. The thread discussing that build can be found here :https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Healing-Mesmer-viable-Sure-is/first#post743860

Thanks, but the Vitality line does not promote Mantras. Rather, it promotes Scepters and Focuseseses. Foci.

These traits have apparent synergy that I don’t think is actually happening in the game.

Thanks to TheComet and Pryoatheist for there insight.

Concerning the iDuelist: while I love the pistol and the duelist, remember that this is a build ultimately centered on reflections from a focus. Even though an iDuelist may do well in spreading that regen, this build leaves little to no pts for precision, and ultimately won’t use the duelist.

And on that note, all I can add is that I’m using Staff main, Scepter/Focus alt. I have no problems setting up iWardens or iWarlocks quickly. (most of the harder mobs don’t move alot, and with a tiny distraction, wardens can last a long time), but I’m just not seeing any regen ANYWHERE off of any of them. Granted, I haven’t tried clicking one yet to see if its on but…..

I have np setting up phantasms and keeping them up, and I’m just not seeing any regen on me, anywhere around them, so how could I expect a party to trust in it? I don’t think it works, or should work better. Otherwise, I’ll just get a couple swords and a pistol and stop trying to support a party with a mesmer.

korelg.7862:

1st skill (3 part chain): 1st a simple damaging projectile, 2nd a projectile that hits slightly harder and aplies 1 stack of confusion, 3rd a GS-like beam that hits 3 times and hits harder the closer you are to the target, also aplies 1 stack of confusion

2nd skill (AoE) Illusionary Bullet : a huge illusionary bullet super mario-style falls from the sky, hits for some damage and aplies weakness, cripple or burn randomly

3rd skill (clone summoning) : an attack that fires 1 illusionary bullet, makes you invisible for 1 1/2 seconds and summons a clone in front of you, the clone does the 1st 2 parts of the basic chain.

what do you guys think?

Wish Lists are fun, but I think energy is better spent on mastering the Skills that Exsist, as they are.

Pyroatheist.9031:

The mesmer only has 2 mainhand weapons: The scepter, for mid-range condition damage; The sword, for close range damage. As you can see, the mesmer is obviously missing a weapon,Additionally, while the scepter is our mid-range condition damage weapon, it is completely unacceptable in its current form, and needs to be revamped.

This is just too funny. First of all, two handed weapons no longer matter? Second of all, right now I’m lvl 78 on my mesmer.

I USE SCEPTERS that I make all the time, and PVE IS NOT HARD, EVER!

Mainhand pistol would be fun, but if it’s what’s holding you back, it won’t make you any better at this point.

People say scepter sucks? maybe….but i rock it….

it’s not the game, it’s you.

Pew Pew…..
I heard there are Rangers in this game.

Even better is the Engineer….all they have to do is run and shoot, it’s so easy.

TheComet.6471:

The regen spreads to the duelists as well so they’ll be more durable, so hopefully they’ll live long enough.

In the Inspiration line, there is the option early on to Phantasms 20% more Life, which seems logical and worthwhile if you are providing Regen to you AND your party. I stress AND becuase NO mesmer needs this build. It’s strictly for party support, and as I’m seeing it now, its pretty poor party support.

Ideally, you would add vit to yourself, making yourself more long lasting and your heals good, except you only have self heal.

At 5 pts, get retaliation for phants, great cus you want them to live, why? the send out regen

At 10 pts, can get 20% more phant health, great why? cus they can send out regen.

At 15pts, phantasms send out regen, only not really, only hardly, just kidding.

Wasted 15 trait points, I could be traiting Precision and using a Pistol like everyone else.

It’d be overkill. You only want one cus it’s “cool”, but you don’t want to roll a thief.

It won’t make you any better.

Or any happier.

Or any cooler.

gymdawg.6347:

Mesmer’s tend to best play offensive support.

The problem with being “offensive support” is that the true offense doesn’t know that they are being supported, and then you are accused of being “carried” through a run.

Well…..we will never be picked for a party for dps. :/

It’s our gimicks that get the love, if any. The ability to reflect projectiles off of two focus skills, in addition to our feedback utility skill, is very temtping when attempting to support a dungeon party with already admirable cond stacks. And stuff.

What’s even better is that if you trait enough points to get those additional, gimmicky, reflects off the focus, then you will by default get regen off phantasms.

But not really, I guess.

There are alot of good ways to play mes without trying to Reflect All Projectiles while passively healing party mates, but every trait pt spent in this endeavor is another one not spamming the current pvp build.

Make this work.

Sabyne.6329:

First, as it was said, range is really short. Then if you have the trait giving your fantasm fury or retaliation, the regen won’t proc until the other buff has worn off.

That is alot to put into a tooltip, so I can understand why they didn’t. Working as intended? Or mes as support/heals, worst idea ever, and we truly have only 3 viable builds centered around selfish damage?

I’ve tried with 3 phantasms Not That Far away, with nothing. I’ll try clicking on the phantasm and seeing what boons.

What’s most frustrating is that I’m putting triats in Inspiration (Healing and Vit) with almost no good reason. I’m working toward reflect off of every focus skill, which I know is tricky anyways, but that’s ok. But along the way, I get this awesome regen skill that helps my party, and totally makes it worthwhile, the 15 pts I spent in Inpiration.

Note: Mesmer don’t need a single point in Inspiration. We are so good at not dying. We are so good at slipping out of death’s grasp and coming back. The ONLY reason to invest in this trait line is to be some kind of support asset to a party. And as far as I can tell, the main draw of this line is not working. Hrumph.

I shatter when appropriate. It’s never at the same time, or part of a “rotation”. The Situation dictates my actions. Sometimes it’s better to stack phantasms. Sometimes your clones are doing little more then distracting, and once they can’t do that, might as well shatter.

When I see that I can pump out another 2 clones, 1 phantasm, I access the situation. If all 3 are up in a tight group, I might mind wrack for the damage, but in a party, I’m more likely to daze. No one thanks you afterwards, but those few seconds the boss couldn’’t do anything helped. If your kitten is really in the sling, maybe shatter for the diversion. Shatter for more confusion if you think it will help, though I personally think this is the worst reason to shatter.

My point being that shattering is just a part of a successful build. It’s 4 skills that you have access too to some degree in every fight. It’s nothing to build off of. Maybe something to build around.

If you are only interested in PvP, and you saw how this one guy bursted hard with shatters, just remember that that particuler combo is learned now, and you will have to learn how to actually play the class now.

So, I’m trying to build a mes that would be good in a support/heal role in dungeons. Only thing is that the only party heal we seem to have is this regen from phantasms. Fine. Only, I’m not seeing any regen.

Maybe it’s not for me, only allies. Maybe it takes Waaaaay too long to tick. Maybe this is old news in the bugs list, but I just noticed it.

As a mes trying to build for support and heals, we are giving up alot of our ability to help others. As far as I can see, this is about the only way we can actively heal anyone.
It doesn’t seem to do anything. If anyone has any ideas about how to be an active healer without this skill, or why this skill doesn’t do what it says, pls speak up.

Tooks.8701:

MrMacAndCheese.3907:

After enough personal instances, you have to ask yourself, “Why am I not playing Skyrim?”

Because Skyrim doesn’t have WvW

Where’s the Personal Story in WvW? Unless you talk to yourself, as I suspect alot of pvpers do….vent and all that…..

anyways, if you have to explain it, it’s not funny. Except to me.

TsukasaHiiragi.9730:

However, in the defense of the OP ~ without a coordinated group it could be difficult.

There’s no defense for ppl who want challenging game elements REMOVED from a game less then a day after they are implemented.

After enough personal instances, you have to ask yourself, “Why am I not playing Skyrim?”

It’s not even 24 hours old? How is there two QQ threads about this already? Did you Ever know a swamp you Loved?

Stephane Lo Presti.7258:

lag that some players have been experiencing.

Lag that Some players experience. Like there is Some sand on the beach.

Watch a movie, those are pretty good.

lol That’s just you.

It was pretty bad. Imagine alot of crab things. Imagine alot of dying ppl around you. Imagine hitting skills, but you just stand there.

We pushed them back, and prevailed on ET, but it’s a mystery to me how we did it other then Divine Right< RAWR

Anyways, I’m glad I was there. It sucked, but I Was There WOOT!

Unlike some people, I work the most during the weekends. Even so, I was able to ask off for Friday afternoon, Saturday afternoon, and all day Sunday. I’m eastern U.S., so this would give me some time to check out the events.

So Thank You for the heads up, in time for me to ask off from work for those times!

So today I got to hang out and wait for the one-time event. Giant crabs came and lagged us HARD. I’ve never experienced lag in gw2 before today. This wasn’t just a stutter, it was like hit skills and stand there.

It was really exciting….I spent alot of time trying to res ppl. I main Mesmer, and most of my skills didn’t hurt the egg layers, but most didn’t fire at all. I just stood there alot. I tried to res ppl alot, cus there was alot to res, but even hitting F to res seemed to look alot like Standing There.

When I needed to heal, I had to run away and hit heal for like…..forever till it hit.

I’m really glad I got the heads up in time to ask off from work. And I’m really glad I was there for the event, though it may not sound like it. Somehow, we pushed the crabs back, and all was fine and dandy.

But it sort of sucks to have a Mesmer that you’re good with, that is only good for ressing ppl, and even that was sketchy. Mk?

Once again, thanks for the heads up! See you tommorow!

Edit: OH! :O I forgot to mention why I’m so grateful that I got the time off from work to do this. If I hadn’t, I’d imagine that I had missed something Super Fun, that didn’t resemble Standing There at all, and that I’d always feel cheated out of something that was really not worth crying over for three days in advance….as if that would ever happen.

My Barbie Mesmer: “Flitterfly”.

Now with Wings!