Guild Wars 2

Cush.4063:

I’ve seen a couple people mention it but I thought they were staying. Does this mean we won’t get to see the dragon finisher? Will it mean I won’t be able to have my rank finisher anymore? I’m so confuzzled

yeah, they are going away for nearly free (r55)

sirflamesword.3896:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Practice makes you raise your skill, didnt you know?

So I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall, so I just going to stop. GG you won the arguement through lack of understanding.

GG brother, you are wasting your time, it is impossible you can counter argument on what I´m saying.

sirflamesword.3896:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

You get good by practicing mate.

Train makes the best champions, not only talent.
Practice is as important.

…..Everyone understands practice makes perfect. But after practicing you have to show how skillful you have become to get rewarded from that practice.

RANKS SKIP THIS STEP. You get rewarded for how much practice you have done, BUT NOT FOR HOW SKILLFUL YOU HAVE BECOME. That is why ranks are worthless and should be only a moderate goal to go for. The change to ranks will do this. Everyone(and this includes anet) understands there now needs to be changes to reward players FOR SKILL and that’s what leaderboards and season will do. That’s why the pvp blog was called Building a Strong FOUNDATION, meaning all measure of rewards, tournaments, and other fun things will be build on this. Everyone also understands that the people who have put thousands of hours into getting r70 are getting the short end, but can noone see the light at the end of the tunnel where pvp has stopped being a grind and is more focused on skill like it is meant to be?

Practice makes you raise your skill, didnt you know?

sirflamesword.3896:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

No, it´s not sad. I invested a lot of time playing tennis tournaments and training since I was a kid, and I became a top pro player in my region.

Time invested is the key for success and getting better, along with innate talent.

You do know ranks are more like giving someone a championship trophy for practicing alot right? Instead of playing well.

You get good by practicing mate.

Train makes the best champions, not only talent.
Practice is as important.

Ugruk.4069:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

mPascoal.4258:

I’m rank 36 right now. This doesn’t affect me that much but rank 80 was my small dream in GW2. Now it will be so easy to get I’m not even sure if it will be worth to get or care getting

If this r55 proposal keeps going ahead, you´ll just be rank 55 in 2 weeks playing intensively (I promise) with the current rank rewards in the game (that have been raised lately).

Sadly, it won´t give you any prestige, fame, or coolness attached. You´ll just be another one amongst lots, you won´t be distinguished.

You cant be serious, omg my sides xD

I´m being completely serious as this stuff is affecting me.

sirflamesword.3896:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

You must definitely be a new player, since you don´t understand the idea of prestige. Maybe hardcore pvp is not your thing, therefore you shouldn´t even be putting your hands into this matter.

Yup completely brand new, 7 year of GW1 and First Beta GW2. Somehow time investment has become what people equate prestige to instead of Skill. It’s kinda sad.

No, it´s not sad. I invested a lot of time playing tennis tournaments and training since I was a kid, and I became a top pro player in my region.

Time invested is the key for success and getting better, along with innate talent.

mPascoal.4258:

I’m rank 36 right now. This doesn’t affect me that much but rank 80 was my small dream in GW2. Now it will be so easy to get I’m not even sure if it will be worth to get or care getting

If this r55 proposal keeps going ahead, you´ll just be rank 55 in 2 weeks playing intensively (I promise) with the current rank rewards in the game (that have been raised lately).

Sadly, it won´t give you any prestige, fame, or coolness attached. You´ll just be another one amongst lots, you won´t be distinguished.

sirflamesword.3896:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

There are many ways of calling new players attention, and making r55 dragon isn´t the only one possible out there. It damages the prestige of this game highly.

Keep saying whatever you want, there are many players sharing my same thoughts, they are just not being as active and loud as I am being. Feel free to scroll on next pages to check for other players opinions.

I would advice you to keep reserved about high ranked players real life, it is not something you should be taking care of. It is good for you to stop moaning about what others do with their free time.

You keep saying prestige this prestige that, but what prestige? I don’t see a rank60+ in teamq or soloq and say, holy crap that guy has to be good, most of the time it’s more like HOW IS THAT GUY 60+, HE SUCKS! Time != skill, oh well, it’s not worth it hopefully Anet will follow through and it will give some people(including me) a reason to come back to pvp. If not, it’s no skin off my back because I also enjoy the other parts of the game.

You must definitely be a new player, since you don´t understand the idea of prestige. Maybe hardcore pvp is not your thing, therefore you shouldn´t even be putting your hands into this matter.

Uhtameit.2413:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Uhtameit.2413:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

It´s not constructive just for you. But once again, you are just a newcomer who hasn´t showed dedication in pvp and you are trying to debate our proposal against the people who has been here since release showing their effort.

Sorry mate, but no way some of us could take you into consideration. You haven´t proved any dedication or effort in this game in order to judge if our suggestion is constructive or not.

I suggest you read the other post right above yours and the post below mine : I’m not the only one thinking that way. I’ve been playing since release so I’m not entirely clueless either, despite your assuming that I am. So yes, I can judge that just saying “you are wrong, make it r70” without backing up that claim with arguments is not a proper suggestion.

Again, whether or not you take my opinion into consideration doesn’t matter : each and every single one of the players matter regardless of your personal opinion.

ArenaNet wish to diminish the difficulty of attaining r80 so that the PvE players feel more attracted by PvP : you can’t just say “Don’t do that, I’m r70 so put dragon at r70 thx” and expect anyone to take you seriously when you say you are being constructive.

Besides, your topic is currently on the 4th page of the forums : maybe it is a sign that your idea isn’t the brightest and looks very self-centered? other than that, you’ve expressed it in a thread, got answers. Why do you keep on posting that idea on threads that are offering other possibilities?

We´ve explained many times the reasons as to why upper r70 should be the real dragon. You really need to start reading over.

Sadly, you haven’t done so on this thread, nor on any thread but yours, you’ve just stated your idea is better, end of story.
You also haven’t answered any of the other points I’ve raised, including the question at the end of my posts. Please feel free to do so.

Because right now rewards for playing pvp are much stronger than they were before.
People is getting 500 rank per win on hot joins. 1500 or even more in team arena. It´s not going to take much time for players to reach r70 and it still keeps being a long term goal (which is what it should be).

I´m not talking about the reward chests idea much, I just said I support it and that higher ranked players should obviously get more chests / rewards or whatever than lower ranked, that´s by logic true.
But for the dedicated players, those rewards are kind of second matter to us, what we care is about the prestige and fame attached to being a high rank, which is being killed in case of this stream going ahead.

sirflamesword.3896:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

It´s not constructive just for you. But once again, you are just a newcomer who hasn´t showed dedication in pvp and you are trying to debate our proposal against the people who has been here since release showing their effort.

Sorry mate, but no way some of us could take you into consideration. You haven´t proved any dedication or effort in this game in order to judge if our suggestion is constructive or not.

YOU are supposed to be taken into consideration? Why? Just because you put more time into sPvP than other people? That makes you more worthwhile? PvP should be constantly pulling in new people otherwise you will never have a population. If you only focus on the people at the top this won’t happen. Somebody accused me of calling “top end”(lol) players selfish and I don’t think that way, but YOU, YOU are selfish. It is coming out in EVERY post you make, you only care about yourself and not about the health of the game mode. More time = more dedication? That’s not true at all, more time = no life outside of pvp, THAT’S IT. Have fun playing spvp with yourself and the 10 other no lifers in the game, tell me when that stops being fun.

There are many ways of calling new players attention, and making r55 dragon isn´t the only one possible out there. It damages the prestige of this game highly.

Keep saying whatever you want, there are many players sharing my same thoughts, they are just not being as active and loud as I am being. Feel free to scroll on next pages to check for other players opinions.

I would advice you to keep reserved about high ranked players real life, it is not something you should be taking care of. It is good for you to stop moaning about what others do with their free time.

Uhtameit.2413:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

It´s not constructive just for you. But once again, you are just a newcomer who hasn´t showed dedication in pvp and you are trying to debate our proposal against the people who has been here since release showing their effort.

Sorry mate, but no way some of us could take you into consideration. You haven´t proved any dedication or effort in this game in order to judge if our suggestion is constructive or not.

I suggest you read the other post right above yours and the post below mine : I’m not the only one thinking that way. I’ve been playing since release so I’m not entirely clueless either, despite your assuming that I am. So yes, I can judge that just saying “you are wrong, make it r70” without backing up that claim with arguments is not a proper suggestion.

Again, whether or not you take my opinion into consideration doesn’t matter : each and every single one of the players matter regardless of your personal opinion.

ArenaNet wish to diminish the difficulty of attaining r80 so that the PvE players feel more attracted by PvP : you can’t just say “Don’t do that, I’m r70 so put dragon at r70 thx” and expect anyone to take you seriously when you say you are being constructive.

Besides, your topic is currently on the 4th page of the forums : maybe it is a sign that your idea isn’t the brightest and looks very self-centered? other than that, you’ve expressed it in a thread, got answers. Why do you keep on posting that idea on threads that are offering other possibilities?

We´ve explained many times the reasons as to why upper r70 should be the real dragon. You really need to start reading over.

Harbinger.8637:

All I can say is I’m not surprised. GW2 is a casual game pure and simple. Anet needs a way to bring more people into PvP, so they make things easier to achieve. Veteran players will still play regardless, so that’s not really a focus for them. If they lose a couple of veteran players but gain a lot of new people. It’s a win for them.

Do I think it was the right choice, no. However I can’t blame them on their decision. In the long run it’s better.

It isn´t better in the long run. As soon as most experienced players keep quiting because of this, the skill cap in this game will get lower and lower as soon players keep quiting, so the game won´t be competitive enough, there will just be worse and worse players, while other games evolve on their skill ceiling (league of legends)

Uhtameit.2413:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

1) Neither you decide things in this game, it is Arenanet

2) Exactly, since it is the sequel to guild wars 1, it is supposed to continue the main patterns of its prequel.

I never implied that something has to be, unlike you. So telling me that ArenaNet is in charge feels kinda pointless.

Guild Wars 2 has very little in common with Guild Wars 1 : be it lore, PvE, PvP, gameplay, playable races and so on and so forth. So no, there is no particular reason why GW2 should follow the same pattern as GW1.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Uhtameit.2413:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Uhtameit.2413:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Well I just don´t want every r55 spamming the dragon. Simple as that.

As for the op proposal, it´s good, but r55 should never be dragon, rather 70

Dear sir, you are getting rather annoying.

Ostrich Eggs might have a big ego, but at least his complaint makes sense : he’s not getting as many chests as the r55 and he’s had chests filled with poor rewards instead.

You, on the other hand, just seem want the rewards to be solely for the r70s while you don’t even try to offer constructive solutions. Guess what : no one cares what you specifically want. If people offer solutions so that the r70 aren’t somehow harmed by the rank changes, maybe Anet will listen and use those ideas. Complaining like you do doesn’t help anyone and is starting to be particularly annoying.

Another good idea, thank you OP.

You do you have problems with reading comprehension.
The solution I´m proposing is pretty much clear: r70 being dragon.
Don´t read if your eyes bleed. These are forums, opinion is free to be expressed.
Furthermore, There are many topics asking the same than me: r70 being dragon. There are also players in game sharing this same thought.

And guess what? Arena-net is open to this kind of feedback.

No doubt there is no censorship and you are free to express your opinion, you should definitely open a thread to make that proposal instead of polluting every single thread that offers some thoughtful solutions on the matter.

ArenaNet is open to feedback, your answer is more of a “You are wrong, change it that way because I say so” while they obviously have their reasons for wanting to change the ranks that way. You are not even offering arguments to support your idea, so then again : go and create your own thread, it will probably be the 7th on the matter and probably the least interesting of all.

I already opened a thread, which has gotten plenty of views and replies. Nevertheless, I´ll continue expressing my concerns on future threads.
I don´t care what you personally think about my solution, you are no veteran neither dedicated pvper, while I am, and I have been speaking with lots of them, and they share my opinion.
Changing it to r70 is ultimately, another suggestion, whenever you want to take it by youself.

Finally, I do have lots of reasons as to why r70 should be the real dragon and for your information, the thread I made has gotten up to 1.400 views and many replies.

Definitely your opinion as a random, doesn´t really matter to me, since you haven´t dedicated much effort in this pvp, your opinion isn´t highly valuable to me.

Sadly it doesn’t matter whether my opinion is valuable to you or not, nor does it matter if I am not a pvp veteran according to you : all that matters are suggestions. Yours is far from being the most constructive and that’s all there is to it.

It´s not constructive just for you. But once again, you are just a newcomer who hasn´t showed dedication in pvp and you are trying to debate our proposal against the people who has been here since release showing their effort.

Sorry mate, but no way some of us could take you into consideration. You haven´t proved any dedication or effort in this game in order to judge if our suggestion is constructive or not.

laquito.5269:

Man its really getting kittening annoying to read all these whine threads, where the same ~five players keep writing the same bullkitten again and again. Theres no way ANet has possibly not seen your rant posts, as you have literally flooded this subforum with your whine.

I might get infracted for this, but you guys are getting more and more pathetic each day. We’ve all heard your concerns about the rank changes and possible solutions and I even agree that their current system wouldn’t be fair to players of your kind, but right now you are just annoying the kitten out of us, so cut your whine already. Some people really seem to forget that this is just a game, but then again for some it seems to be their life… poor people.

Synthesizing:
-You are agree with us about r55 being wrong.
-You are tired of reading posts (Dont read anymore).
-You show some empathy for people that spends time on guild wars 2.

Not a bad post at all, enough constructive. Thanks for your support on our matter. Now you can go back do your stuff.

mfrelas.9476:

Again, veterans don’t care about rewards. We care about the title, the prestige that comes with our commitment to the game. If we wanted chests we’d go play PvE.

Exactly. I care about prestige of being r70. Don´t kill us that.

As for the chests, it´s a second matter for us. Although, we should be rewarded even more because of logically being higher rank.

Enough said on this matter.

JTan.1687:

Well a title would be nice. its just a proposal for the dev. if they dont like it then its fine its their game. because really too reach rank 70 is hard. im ok with a golden rabbit finisher as long as it’s unique and only r70 pipol have it ^^

And this is just an example of how to mess a loyal player, he´s worked hard for his rank 70 and wants something unique.
If system doesn´t get reconsidered there is a good chance another wave of top players will quit.

Uhtameit.2413:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Uhtameit.2413:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Well I just don´t want every r55 spamming the dragon. Simple as that.

As for the op proposal, it´s good, but r55 should never be dragon, rather 70

Dear sir, you are getting rather annoying.

Ostrich Eggs might have a big ego, but at least his complaint makes sense : he’s not getting as many chests as the r55 and he’s had chests filled with poor rewards instead.

You, on the other hand, just seem want the rewards to be solely for the r70s while you don’t even try to offer constructive solutions. Guess what : no one cares what you specifically want. If people offer solutions so that the r70 aren’t somehow harmed by the rank changes, maybe Anet will listen and use those ideas. Complaining like you do doesn’t help anyone and is starting to be particularly annoying.

Another good idea, thank you OP.

You do you have problems with reading comprehension.
The solution I´m proposing is pretty much clear: r70 being dragon.
Don´t read if your eyes bleed. These are forums, opinion is free to be expressed.
Furthermore, There are many topics asking the same than me: r70 being dragon. There are also players in game sharing this same thought.

And guess what? Arena-net is open to this kind of feedback.

No doubt there is no censorship and you are free to express your opinion, you should definitely open a thread to make that proposal instead of polluting every single thread that offers some thoughtful solutions on the matter.

ArenaNet is open to feedback, your answer is more of a “You are wrong, change it that way because I say so” while they obviously have their reasons for wanting to change the ranks that way. You are not even offering arguments to support your idea, so then again : go and create your own thread, it will probably be the 7th on the matter and probably the least interesting of all.

I already opened a thread, which has gotten plenty of views and replies. Nevertheless, I´ll continue expressing my concerns on future threads.
I don´t care what you personally think about my solution, you are no veteran neither dedicated pvper, while I am, and I have been speaking with lots of them, and they share my opinion.
Changing it to r70 is ultimately, another suggestion, whenever you want to take it by youself.

Finally, I do have lots of reasons as to why r70 should be the real dragon and for your information, the thread I made has gotten up to 1.400 views and many replies.

Definitely your opinion as a random, doesn´t really matter to me, since you haven´t dedicated much effort in this pvp, your opinion isn´t highly valuable to me.

Uhtameit.2413:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

sirflamesword.3896:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

You do you have problems with reading comprehension.
The solution I´m proposing is pretty much clear: r70 being dragon.
Don´t read if your eyes bleed. These are forums, opinion is free to be expressed.
Furthermore, There are many topics asking the same than me: r70 being dragon. There are also players in game sharing this same thought.

And guess what? Arena-net is open to this kind of feedback.

You had more time to FARM than everyone else, that’s all rank70 means. If you haven’t been able to figure that out idk what to say.

I just hope Anet doesn’t listen to all the complainers(I do agree the high ranked players deserve something be it a title or more chests), but some of use can see the good in changing ranks like this. It will FINALLY give players that can’t devote their whole lives to pvp something to go for.

I feel sorry for you mate, but Dragon Rank shouldn´t be something every casual should get. It´s meant to be for the most dedicated players. It was that way back in guild wars 1, and it has to be that way here.

No it doesn’t have to be that way here, for two reasons :

1) You are not the one who decides what “has to be”

2) This is guild wars 2, not guild wars 1. If you want to play guild wars 1, feel free to play it again

1) Neither you decide things in this game, it is Arenanet

2) Exactly, since it is the sequel to guild wars 1, it is supposed to continue the main patterns of its prequel.

sirflamesword.3896:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

You do you have problems with reading comprehension.
The solution I´m proposing is pretty much clear: r70 being dragon.
Don´t read if your eyes bleed. These are forums, opinion is free to be expressed.
Furthermore, There are many topics asking the same than me: r70 being dragon. There are also players in game sharing this same thought.

And guess what? Arena-net is open to this kind of feedback.

You had more time to FARM than everyone else, that’s all rank70 means. If you haven’t been able to figure that out idk what to say.

I just hope Anet doesn’t listen to all the complainers(I do agree the high ranked players deserve something be it a title or more chests), but some of use can see the good in changing ranks like this. It will FINALLY give players that can’t devote their whole lives to pvp something to go for.

I feel sorry for you mate, but Dragon Rank shouldn´t be something every casual should get. It´s meant to be for the most dedicated players. It was that way back in guild wars 1, and it has to be that way here.

Uhtameit.2413:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Well I just don´t want every r55 spamming the dragon. Simple as that.

As for the op proposal, it´s good, but r55 should never be dragon, rather 70

Dear sir, you are getting rather annoying.

Ostrich Eggs might have a big ego, but at least his complaint makes sense : he’s not getting as many chests as the r55 and he’s had chests filled with poor rewards instead.

You, on the other hand, just seem want the rewards to be solely for the r70s while you don’t even try to offer constructive solutions. Guess what : no one cares what you specifically want. If people offer solutions so that the r70 aren’t somehow harmed by the rank changes, maybe Anet will listen and use those ideas. Complaining like you do doesn’t help anyone and is starting to be particularly annoying.

Another good idea, thank you OP.

You do you have problems with reading comprehension.
The solution I´m proposing is pretty much clear: r70 being dragon.
Don´t read if your eyes bleed. These are forums, opinion is free to be expressed.
Furthermore, There are many topics asking the same than me: r70 being dragon. There are also players in game sharing this same thought.

And guess what? Arena-net is open to this kind of feedback.

Well I just don´t want every r55 spamming the dragon. Simple as that.

As for the op proposal, it´s good, but r55 should never be dragon, rather 70

It´s indeed a cool idea.
It allows for after patch rank progression so we can achieve a golden dragon after some time. Problem is that r55´s would be already dragon and there is too much difference in rank points from 55 to 70.

I prefer r70 being actual dragon.

Juan Ignacio.8903:

why u guys so mad abut the rank, just write a number 9 on the corner of your monitor so u think you are rank 90 and still think you are the very best.

We don´t really need your trolling here.
Let us keep discusing this matter as it is serious for some of us.

I stand my point on r70 being the most accurate frame for a dragon finisher.

Jaxom.7310:

Ostricheggs.3742:

As the forums are well aware, next patch is bringing free dragon to all! …

This is where I stopped reading and realized you were qq enough to create a new post. There are several threads already open and active for you to qq in. Please go there.

Yet no developer is confirming wether they are reconsidering that dumb change to r55 instead something more reasonable like upper r60´s/70

I jump on this boat as well.
Former release dedicated pvper and rank 69 + 2/3.

We are still waiting for a developer answer and a rework in order to make r70= dragon

Forsaker.9213:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

come on anet. r70 make it dragon.

thid guy again Pure SkyFarmer Hero

U said u have more turneys than me?? I think i have few more

http://postimg.org/image/ds274prp5/

But you are terribad and I can easy you, so what´s the point.
I also got more solo q games and more wins than you Forsaker, come on, you are like the teddy bear of the high ranked players

Bombsaway.7198:

It would be sadder if new players to pvp showed up and then never showed back up because achievements were too hard to get. With the integration of game modes, there will be an influx of new PvPers which is essential if you want this mode to get the attention it deserves.

How do you make them loyal to the mode if the achievements (which motivate them) are almost unattainable without sacrificing their participation in other game modes they already are interested in PvE and WvW?

There are very few players who will be harmed by this change and they are already addicted to the game mode (and probably need some time in the other game modes frankly). There are a great many who benefit from these changes.

With every nerf there are winners and losers. The issue is which side is greater.

You will never get the rest of the population to play Spvp regularly if the chasm between achievement holders and achievement seekers is too great.

In many ways, they should reset the ranks (which was the original intention) before a lot of people said that is TOO far. Personally, I would have thought that was just right.

So a compromise was made in lowering how hard it is to get the ranks.

For the hardcore PvPer, this is a MUCH better solution than the original which would have wiped away ranks altogether. To some extent that really would have helped bring casuals in. Remember a casual who joins Spvp and enjoys it doesn’t stay casual for long

No sorry. I´m a hardcore pvp´er by definition and I want my rank system be shaved to 70 being dragon. Not overwhelmingly nerfed to r55 being dragon.

come on anet. r70 make it dragon.

Chaba.5410:

bhagwad.4281:

Chaba.5410:

Do NOT make level 80 so obtainable!!! /sarcasm

I wish people would stop equating rank with skill or prestige rather than time played.

I keep hearing this, but are you saying that time played does not need to be rewarded? How am I being treated in a special way for playing longer than others? Remember this is an MMO. The goal is to spend as much time playing as possible.

Time played is still being rewarded by rank. There’s a cap to it. You will continue to gain “rank levels” after you reach the cap and will receive a chest for doing so. In the PvE game mode, you hit level 80 and continue to gain a skill point for every “level” you gain after that. That’s called “end-game” and Anet continues to provide “end-game” content and rewards.

You know what you are saying is pure trash because pvp is not pve and if you go back to guild wars 1 dragon rank is tied to the only.pvp dedicated players and is something only a very few should have

It is very important to remark that anet needs to reconsider this dragon giveaway and mistreatment with all players at 60’s/70.

Once again, dragon should be something only a very few dedicated players should reach.
Real dragon should be attained at upper 60’s / 70.

Anet should really show up on this matter and say wether they are reconsidering this.

No point since there is nothing of prestige attached to being a high rank, therefore no objective to work towards.

As i said multiple times, r55 is a very soft measure of whar it should take to be a dragon in pvp.
Real and most reasonable rank frame to get dragon finisher should be changed to the upper 60’s or r70. Even more now that rank gain has been increased.

Please anet.

Jackums.3496:

I’m a R50 player and I’m happy with this change, after having played consistently for the past 12+ months. I think that’s easily enough time invested to warrant the dragon finisher (and I still have around five ranks to go before I get there).

bhagwad.4281:

Static.9841:

I don’t get this at all. At first people were complaining hard about how unobtainable Dragon was, now that it’s obtainable people are complaining, kitten ed if you do or don’t apparently….

Few complained about 80 being so far away. The idea was to be able to reach it in 5-6 years. There’s no reason why we can’t have such long term goals.

Plenty complained about it. The complaints died down because ANet said they were looking into lowering the requirements for ranks.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

ronpierce.2760:

Yeah.., exactly what he said…?

It has nothing to do with what he said.
It works as a personal achievement and own satisfaction acomplishment.
You don´t need to be the only dragon in order to enjoy pvp, pvp is fun in itself.
However, you feel cool for being recognized for your dedication and personal effort, which has nothing to do with having fun because of others lack of things.

People need objectives in life, also in a game. If you cut that, feel free to welcome the quit of players.

If you want to be recognized, you should be focusing on the leaderboards, not some rank-based reward that any half-decent player can farm in hotjoin.

I am already top 10 europe solo q with hidden mmr reseting once played game.

Its a life time prestige achievement and we want it to stay being recognized. The real measure should be r70=dragon

ronpierce.2760:

55s worked pretty hard. I’m surprised anyone 50+ could stomach that much conquest, let alone rank 70. If anything you guys need to be check out for masochism. It can be very dangerous…

You dont know what you are talking about.
Since they started giving 1.000rank/win in team arena it has been quite easy to rank up in the 60’s. You just needed to win 100games with some bonus. Getting just 5 wins a day and every month you rank up 60’s with a little time of play.

Its a matter of consistently logging everyday. You dont need hardcore masochism.

It is really a big insult for us players in the r69-70 bracket.

ronpierce.2760:

We get the 3 of you have absolutely no live want everyone to know that, but kitten , I’m pretty sure from now until FOREVER, we’re all going to remember you guys “did it first”, you have your recognition, enjoy your dragon…
April 15th you can look yourself in the mirror, give yourself a big smile, nudge your shoulder and say “I did it…” Then go find yourself a girlfriend. d(‘-’d) Everyone wins!

You cant simply kitteng put in the same boat rank 50’s along with rank 70’s
This is just the biggest insult and convulsion pvp is ever going to put in this game

ronpierce.2760:

Yeah.., exactly what he said…?

It has nothing to do with what he said.
It works as a personal achievement and own satisfaction acomplishment.
You don´t need to be the only dragon in order to enjoy pvp, pvp is fun in itself.
However, you feel cool for being recognized for your dedication and personal effort, which has nothing to do with having fun because of others lack of things.

People need objectives in life, also in a game. If you cut that, feel free to welcome the quit of players.

Zenith.7301:

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHGADAHGJAAHGAHA!!!!!!!

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO ENJOY A GAME IF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE WHAT I HAVE. MY ENJOYMENT DEPENDS ON PEOPLE NOT HAVING WHAT I HAVE.

WAAAAAAHJKFHAlakhadsljgsdfashj!!!!!!

It´s not about that.
Fun is in playing the game itself.

What we are here discussing is all about prestige and recognition for playing the game for long. Something that is being destroyed with all rank 50´s being a dragon.

Gesamtkunstwerk.6590:

All they really needed to do in my opinion was rescale the ranks from 68-80. That’s where the rank points spike up from 150,000 to 450,000-750,000 per level. To many, getting to rank 70 was attainable with enough effort and dedication. It was the rank requirements from 68-80 that were unreasonable for the vast majority.

Something like 175,000-200,000 points per level after rank 68 would be much more in line with the expectations of players. This way you make dragon a realistic long-term goal for the competitive casual, but leave it difficult enough for the hardcore crowd. There’s no reason you can’t and shouldn’t satisfy both groups.

All anet needs to do to fit this into their current plans is to change the rank-up chest to an achievement track reward that kicks in every 20,000 rank points.

Completely agree.

reworked dragon rank should somewhere near r69-70

but never on r55. enough said. they are making a huge mistake with that

Oblivion.8307:

I haven’t played the game in a long time, so this must have been a while ago. Congratulations to you regardless, I’m sure you’re the master of pvp.

Not that long ago, talking about past August. Thanks for the congrats.
Of course not master of pvp, my topic is on a quite different theme.

I feel your pain, you had your dreams to make yourself famous and earn revenue with this game. Well, good luck in the next one.

Oblivion.8307:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

ele meta, spirit meta, hambow, decap engi

yeah, you haven’t even playing pvp since launch. I barely reached rank 50 and know a lot more about the game than you do.

I´ve been playing since release.
Where do you stand in solo q leaderboard? Cause my hidden rating is on the top 10.
Also, remember how I crushed you on forest of nifhlel with your soft necro so many times? There goes the skill & experience

sorrow.2364:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Because I´m pretty much providing reasonable points as to how some of us players believe the system change should work it out.

Once again, I don´t care about what you do in your real life.

You’re not providing reasonable points.
You are just spitting out sentences ignoring facts and counter arguments anyone else is providing.

It has been proved that rank does not means factual experience when a threshold has passed, yet you’ve ignored it.
It has been proved that rank these days means just how much time you’ve past farming skyhammer, yet you didn’t have a flying f.
It has been proved that an high rank player (r70, perhaps) isn’t necessarily more skilled compared to a relatively low rank player (r50-r51).
It has been proved that r55+ players aren’t that much as you’re depicting it, especially if you consider that even if all the players on the leaderboards are r55+, they are still an insignificant portion of the playerbase.

You are overexaggerating things, claiming untrue facts and ignoring what anyone else has to say.

Do yourself and anyone here a favor. Just start not caring about GW2 PvP, but for real this time.

bhagwad.4281:

You don’t think time spent grinding should be rewarded? Don’t PvE players get rewarded for the time they spent grinding?

No. It is a competitive gamemode in a game which is supposed to not encourage grinding.

If you enjoy grinding and you want to be rewarded to do so, you can join the champ train in PvE (still I don’t know if it will be as rewarding as it is now after patch) or perhaps go playing a korean/chinese MMO, where grinding is greatly encouraged and no fool developer wants it out of the game.

Again, rank 80 shouldn´t be something that a large portion of playerbase is going to attain easily. I don´t mind about the talks you are doing about real skill and stuff. I have my own considerations about r70 players being more knowledgeable and experienced pvp-wide than r50.
It´s an MMO and the finisher should be for a small portion of dedicated pvp´ers, rather than the majority of population.

Like it or not, in guild wars 1 there were only very few dragons after 5 years, and here in 2 years most people is going to get it. Not saying dragon emote implies being the best, though its stupid to have it implemented when mostly everyone is going to have that finisher.

@super. You farmed skyhammer on Vengeance of the Fallen custom arena. You talk about yourself right?
@teutos. Never seen a constructive post about you yet. Keep playing that awesome class called mesmer, you will still get owned easily, then you can come to the forums and cry about elitism.

sorrow.2364:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

I don´t know what you are talking about sandwiches here, but the thing is that I clearly stated that I don´t care much about the game anymore, i have other interests now, nevertheless, I am in my right to explain what do I consider about the rank change.

As others have stated previously, the real dragon rank should be at r70, or r65+, instead r55.

If you don’t care about the game, why the hell are you here posting and telling developers how they should handle a game you don’t care about?

I don’t usually go to a church of Scientology telling them what they should believe and what they shouldn’t, because, you know, I don’t care.

Because I´m pretty much providing reasonable points as to how some of us players believe the system change should work it out.

Once again, I don´t care about what you do in your real life.

geekanerd.4123:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

That´s because they lost faith about this game way too long ago.
Click, the first r70? I talked to him long time ago and he said this game and this pvp sucks.

I have made my way to r69 2/3 by carrying noobs to the win for hundreds of hours in this pvp, your words arent in need of a serious consideration to me.

Its a big insult giving any r55 the elitist award of dragon emote, when the real dragons should be the few r70´s out there.

If some of them dont say anything about this, it´s because they lost interest and faith in this game development anymore.

Personally, I dont give a f v ck about this game anymore, it proved to be a fail of development to me and I have other interests in real life.

But, that doesn´t change the fact the rank system change is terrible, inadequate, unproportional and goes against the meaning of a dragon emote (see back guild wars 1, only Starcraft and few more got his emote). That´s just how it should be. Something rare for the ones who have played and worked more for it.

Not something that even my cat can achieve after 2 weeks of gameplay.

And yes, I talk with Starcraft often, he is near r70 and he shares pretty well my point of view about the rank points needed for 80.

I guess I’m a bit confused by this post. You have a sentence that says you don’t care about the game sandwiched between a whole lotta ‘Haha, just kidding, I care a lot about the game.’ Pick a side, man.

I don´t know what you are talking about sandwiches here, but the thing is that I clearly stated that I don´t care much about the game anymore, i have other interests now, nevertheless, I am in my right to explain what do I consider about the rank change.

As others have stated previously, the real dragon rank should be at r70, or r65+, instead r55.

Forsaker.9213:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

That´s because they lost faith about this game way too long ago.
Click, the first r70? I talked to him long time ago and he said this game and this pvp sucks.

I have made my way to r69 2/3 by carrying noobs to the win for hundreds of hours in this pvp, your words arent in need of a serious consideration to me.

Its a big insult giving any r55 the elitist award of dragon emote, when the real dragons should be the few r70´s out there.

If some of them dont say anything about this, it´s because they lost interest and faith in this game development anymore.

Personally, I dont give a f v ck about this game anymore, it proved to be a fail of development to me and I have other interests in real life.

But, that doesn´t change the fact the rank system change is terrible, inadequate, unproportional and goes against the meaning of a dragon emote (see back guild wars 1, only Starcraft and few more got his emote). That´s just how it should be. Something rare for the ones who have played and worked more for it.

Not something that even my cat can achieve after 2 weeks of gameplay.

And yes, I talk with Starcraft often, he is near r70 and he shares pretty well my point of view about the rank points needed for 80.

WOW , THIS GUY! Idk how ppl who spended half on they time in pvp on skyhammer map can even complain about rank system. Man u have 1/3 of tournaments playied then me and u have higher rank then me. Ofc rank system was always bad , it promote hot join farming , dont shows your actual skill/expirience espesialy with the skill cap in this game and how professions are OP compered to other , guy can come to the game roll war and 2 weeks later will be same efective then other guy playing this game for 6 months.

One more thing , Nary Why Irk.8150 , becouse of ppl like u ranks ment even less becouse of skyhammer then before , so plz dont come here and complain .

I´m sure I have more tournaments played/won than you.
“Espesialy” XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Is there any wrong on playing decap engineer @skyhammer?
It doesn´t matter where I play decap engi, I´ll success.

Leeto.1570:

So something that your cat can achieve in 2 weeks shouldnt be rewarded but something that your cat can achieve in 6 weeks should be rewarded?
In reality your cat shouldnt get rewarded at all and my dogz who are in top 100 teamque should be rewarded.

Now that you provide unreasonable and immature arguments you lose any credibility.

r55 is pretty attainable by anyone with easy hours.
There are going to be so so many dragon emotes that the mere finisher is going to have no consideration or prestige attached to it.

That´s in any case, again only anet fault.

Leeto.1570:

I have group of players on friendlist who just farm rank in teamque on bad teams and avoid all top players, they all are rank 60+ and i have alot of friends who only play when theres actual challange and even tho they play better and have better understanding of game mechanics they arent even rank 55
And theres no way you will make me think that this first group of players deserve some extra reward while the second group doesnt get anything, cause sorry but this is PVP and people should get rewarded for playing good not for playing alot.

There are 2 types of top players in this game those who learn slowly and need to make same mistake 10 times and those who learn fast and never make same mistake.
Im not saying you are worse because you need more time to learn things, but you arent better than people who understand things faster.

We are not talking about Darwinist Theories.

Rank is about time spent in pvp and points earned, and that change has been cut by half in order to make everyone achieve dragon emote. Hilarious. See back on guild wars 1 where there were no more than 5 dragons in the game. And it wasn´t even a real MMO

That´s because they lost faith about this game way too long ago.
Click, the first r70? I talked to him long time ago and he said this game and this pvp sucks.

I have made my way to r69 2/3 by carrying noobs to the win for hundreds of hours in this pvp, your words arent in need of a serious consideration to me.

Its a big insult giving any r55 the elitist award of dragon emote, when the real dragons should be the few r70´s out there.

If some of them dont say anything about this, it´s because they lost interest and faith in this game development anymore.

Personally, I dont give a f v ck about this game anymore, it proved to be a fail of development to me and I have other interests in real life.

But, that doesn´t change the fact the rank system change is terrible, inadequate, unproportional and goes against the meaning of a dragon emote (see back guild wars 1, only Starcraft and few more got his emote). That´s just how it should be. Something rare for the ones who have played and worked more for it.

Not something that even my cat can achieve after 2 weeks of gameplay.

And yes, I talk with Starcraft often, he is near r70 and he shares pretty well my point of view about the rank points needed for 80.

r55 is a joke in comparison to r70 in terms of pvp-wide knowledge and experience.

No because a former rank 70 has evolved and learned all the skills and mastered all the metagame builds the game has gone through.

Any r70 has passed through the ele meta, spirit meta, hambow, decap engi, and they know all of the old and new tactics and strategies that are in the game. That´s something the 2week farmed r50´s do not have.

Also r70 shows far more experience than r55, there is no doubt for that.