Guild Wars 2

If queues are that much of a problem, move to a lower server. Devonas Rest, Eredon Terrace, and Anvil rock have plenty of room to expand.

Seems like you have two options, press F or continue the fight. Does it really take that long to hit one key? They even made it area effect. Working as intended. There are much more pressing issues in wvw than getting your common helm or tattered leather.

DevonCarver.5370:

I’d be more curious to know what people think is the reason behind the fact that score is so directly related to the number of people on a server 24/7 and how WvW could be designed differently to address that moving forward. My personal observation is that the momentum you gain from even a small period of having more people online is so large that it can’t be overcome. Which makes me think we need to be doing more to slow that momentum.

I completely agree with the observation about the momentum, IoJ was a great example a few months back. They were outnumbered hopelessly in prime time, but wake up Sat morning and they had caught back up. Their late night SEA and Oceanic guilds would spend all night PvDooring and getting their ppt up enough that although we would trounce them in prime time, the ppt they could get while most of us were sleeping would be enough to win the week.

While it does nothing for outnumbered servers, what about awarding points for a camp/tower/keep take based on the number of enemies involved in a fight? I think much of the problem with the 24/7 coverage is tied to how much PvDoor can be done while the other servers are sleeping. Wouldn’t awarding more points for taking a defended objective slow some of this momentum down? PvDoor would still award PPT, but you could make it so the bulk of your points would come from the enemies killed in prime time, whatever that time is for your server. Some kind of weighting for killing enemies and defended objectives vice just karma training.

What about varying several factors based on ppt level, such as yak speed, RI, stats for guards, siege damage, number of guards, etc.? Make it difficult for someone with +600ppt to defend anything due to no RI, slow moving supply, and weak guards? On the other hand, if you only have +100ppt: faster yaks, more and stronger guards, longer RI to help you rebuild faster. Maybe even invulnerable yaks below a certain ppt?

Make each borderland have a certain number of guards per borderland. If you own everything, your guards are spread out and objectives are easier to take. If you do not own anything, your guards are concentrated (on siegerazer to begin with?) in the first objective you take, and spread out as you take objectives back. This would be great for at least slowing PvDoor and karma trains.

Just some ideas while waiting for the servers to come back up.

syfro.6873:

To be honest I do think YB could stand a chance against SBI

I certainly hope so! I thought we had a chance against FA after the first night, then reality hit. Did FA have outmanned buff on reset night? I’m wondering if the queues were screwed up.

Thank you to the players who didn’t run from 1v1’s and 2v2’s this week. You were few and far between on CDBL, but you made it worth it.

Big thanks to the [uA] Mesmer duo who put up with my cheap tactics to try and kill one of them before being downed in the southern camps about 12 hours ago. You hurt. I had nightmares while sleeping today of spinning greatswords and shattered illusions. Great fights on this end. I learned a bit, maybe next time I can give you a better fight. GL to both FA and CD.

Great fights today, [VP], especially the SW camp!

Great fights tonight, nice to have a night off and be able to play. Good to see some familiar faces, even if they were red. Had a blast on my rank 15 Charr Guardian in pink… hopefully next time we see you guys out there I will have learned more about how to play him!

Kronyx.2570:

Only servers we’ll lose to is FA SBI. Matchup against DB will be interesting though

Who says we will lose to SBI and FA? You never know!

Condition necro is fun solo, duo, and grouping/zerging. The key is lasting long enough to let your conditions do the dmg for you. I am working my way from Rabid to a Dire build. The only classes I have a hard time with are Guardians and good Mesmers and Thieves.

Guardians with condition removal have enough regen to heal up from the bleeds and such, makes it hard to take down even bad Guardians; good Guardians I rarely drop them below 50% before I die.

Stealthing mesmers are hard to keep targeted long enough to get your conditions up on them, this plus shatters will ruin you if you are not fast enough or good enough to drop wells and marks where they “will” be. A good Mesmer will kill me every time.

Basilisk thieves and stun warriors, if glass cannon, are hard to counter if they can kill you before the stun wears off. If you can live through the initial burst, you can melt warriors and make thieves run away. I rarely kill thieves unless they are dumb enough to stay visible long enough for my conditions to kill them while they are running away. Every other class is fair game; even if they are good at their class, you are able to beat them if you evade at the right times and keep conditions up.

Don’t have an Eng at 80 yet (only class I don’t), but the Necro is by far the most fun I have soloing. If I feel the need to run in groups, large or small, necros are able to make a difference in any fight, plus hitting Epidemic on the right target during a zerg fight makes for a ton of numbers scrolling.

I generally hate it, and never do it, but unless all 3 exits are blocked, there is no spawn camping. It’s called “killing the idiots who keep coming out this way”. You’re doing it to yourselves, pick another exit… if they have nobody to kill, they won’t stick around for very long.

moutzaheadin.4029:

Well , a few people have been asking for it. So i guess i had to put something together. I normally post a “song of the day” , a few times during the match up. So here goes a few fails from yesterday morning.

I love the popping commander tag as a call for help. I guess it happens often. but this might be the first time i noticed it as i was fighting.

Im not going to lie , I have about 5 ele mist spikes in wvw total. Not one of them happened as i was recording.

Well i give you todays

Obs song of the day!!

I hate. fighting. you. If you see a solo [SoCo] Necro or War (in pink for Breast Cancer Awareness month!) running for his life, it’s probably me, and I’m probably shaking and crying.

Kronyx.2570:

Special shout out to walnut.

2 thumbs up

RNG > all, but aside from that, it is much better than facing the same 2 opponents 4-5 weeks in a row. The random element they added is definitely much better than the stagnation that came before it.

After destroying a Guardian, I proceeded to get wiped in every fight… not such a good day. I was particularly impressed with the condi ranger… wasn’t expecting that at all.

Great fights this week, look forward to matching up with you guys in leagues, or maybe a rematch with a server that is active!

Meh, I just wanted to log on and kill some people before work. >.<

That was me /wave back atcha! Saw lots of [LEXS], [SBHS], and [RISE] out solo/duo last night. I even saw a few solo Kain. Had some great fights around there! It was a while between fights, but I ended up having some great fights 1v1 and 1v2. I obviously need to improve on my 1337 solo skillz, but it was a blast. I didn’t end up hitting more than I should reasonably be able to handle until the end, I hit your NN camp and I guess a bunch of people had just ported in because, well, I went splat! Days off while working Mids makes for interesting fights. Look forward to more in the future, but unfortunately I work the next few nights.

Or do we still have no more info on leagues? I tried watching the livestream, but all the talk about Cata/Ram Mastery instead of upcoming changes had me falling asleep. I know what is in the game, we want more info on what is coming. What are you going to fix?

lordkrall.7241:

We will have leagues starting next Friday.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/welcome-to-world-vs-world-season-1/

If anything, leagues will most likely do the opposite, except for the top 1 or 2 servers per tier. Although if they go to 4 tiers, it will double that amount.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The question for me is…

Should it get living story content?
——SNIP——
While I’d enjoy an increase to the lore and story, I don’t feel like WvW – or PvP – has the environment or set up for being a good storytelling device.

You don’t think a new map geared specifically towards a Living Story release could be set up in this way?

We see the PvE realm get Living Story content, and even sPvP had an e-sport tournament. Is it possible that WvW may get some Living Story content to drive players there? Maybe a 5th map for a short time with unique achievements and such, to introduce players to the concept that do not normally play there?

According to Devon, WvW is NOT shedding players… but that doesn’t really matter if the overwhelming majority of players don’t regularly step foot into wvw. You want to make wvw a priority? Find out how to get more PvE’ers out into wvw. As long as Living Story content is pure pve, this won’t happen.

…and waiting…

lordkrall.7241:

Does someone logging into WvW just to craft once a week count towards the population?

Yes. I think you overestimate the percentage of the population that plays wvw. I think the majority of players are PvE, and PvE only. I would bet only 15-20% of the total pop plays wvw regularly. Of course, if they don’t release numbers, we have no idea… and if they say people aren’t leaving in droves, their counting system may be flawed before they start.

lordkrall.7241:

Does someone that have played WvW daily for a long time but now only plays PvE count?

No.

Since sPvP shares one queue, and you can guest to any server for PvE, I think it would only makes sense to base the cost of swapping servers on the only factor that would make you swap: wvw.

Jeknar.6184:

Looks like Devona decided to stop resting and fight back…

We 4-manned SM, due to your people being distracted by a commander on the same map. Fun afternoon Thank you!

Can we get an eta on the announcement? Some guilds are now waiting to see what this is before deciding on changing servers.

There’s nothing wrong with using siege to defend an objective. Where it goes downhill is when even numbers won’t come out to play unless you come into range of their ballistas or arrow carts. Or, like the group of 7 or 8 Ferg (every server does this, not just FC, I’ve seen DR do it as well) )that were standing at the cannons in Bay every time we ran by for about an hour last night. How is that fun?

Come out and play next time. What’s the worst that could happen, you have to run back to your cannons?

Lunarain.8430:

Neeho.3859:

i don’t always get caught in a [BS]/[Yarr] sandwich, but when I do, I usually die. Fun fights today mid-afternoon. [Yarr] mesmer… I got nothing to say to you!

-Asura necro with floppy ears

Thats mean >.> you sprayed me with all your condi’s so i sprayed them all back.

Yeah, it hurt :p Fun fights, though!

i don’t always get caught in a [BS]/[Yarr] sandwich, but when I do, I usually die. Fun fights today mid-afternoon. [Yarr] mesmer… I got nothing to say to you!

-Asura necro with floppy ears

Titles are account wide, WvW ranks are not.

But the only option you have is deleting it once you are done with it. Why not let us salvage or use in forge? Takes time to get badges just as much as it does getting laurels and gold… why can we not salvage and forge like all other gear?

It’s hard to believe with all that testing this wasn’t recognized…

Drigan.7382:

Do competitive WvW guilds have to stop playing to show you that you need to change it?

They will get far more money from server transfers in the next 2 weeks than they will get from the money the players quitting would have spent in the gem store in the next year. Now they have a source of revenue for the foreseeable future: people changing servers every 7 weeks. With no monthly fees, they have to generate revenue somehow. To think Leagues were created for any other reason is nonsense. If my 14yo son can see how much it will suck to be in anything but the top 3 servers per tier, do you really believe they didn’t see that?

Either that, or they hired the guy who thought changing SWG to FPS would be a great idea.

EFWinters.5421:

Yes, theoretically these different roles exist.

Realistically they have no significance because of population imbalance.

Not much more to add to this.

Oh, the memories. I remember asking a question while waiting for Longjaw to spawn. “Try ALT-F4”. OMG, WHY DID MY GAME CLOSE!!

Good times.

Devona’s Rest server. No skill lag, guaranteed.

So we need more incentive for people to zerg? We need to find a way to move away from the 50-man zergball roaming. If anything needs to be encouraged, it’s small group play.

Also heard of some servers trying to throw their ratings for the sake of dropping to silver league. Don’t know the validity, so it may just be a rumor, but as it has happened on my server before (avoiding wvw to drop in ratings), the precedent is there.

Why do so many run from even fights? I can understand engaging but trying to run if you are getting whomped, but why run without even engaging?

Brilliant. A bonus, but at a cost. Make the teams consider whether or not they want that buff (in close matches at least).

florence.1674:

I imagine a transfer cost that is modified by a server’s WvW ranking is a bit more feasible.

OK, change it to this.

There are 3 basic gameplay modes for this game: PvE, sPvP, and WvW. PvE’ers have guesting, sPvP’ers have one que for all, and wvw’ers are stuck in one world. The only mode affected by population is WvW. So why is it that transfer costs to other servers are based on PvE population numbers? Wouldn’t it make more sense to tie them to WvW numbers rather than PvE?

In the worst case scenario, you would have a high pve population with a low wvw population suddenly be inundated with players. PvE zones have overflow, while wvw zones have queues. In addition to overflows, PvE’ers would be able to guest on other servers. Why would basing population for transfers on wvw be a bad thing?

EDIT: And doesn’t it seem odd to anyone else that despite having to transfer to the top 3 or 4 servers to get temples done, the top 1/2 of the servers are all Very High population? Seems to me an adjustment needs to be made.

MarMaster.6241:

So, the question really is here, WHO is the customer?

Apparently, transfers via gem store is the leading candidate.

ArchonWing.9480:

Your feedback doesn’t matter.

If they consider numbers the only objective measure, then the only way to win is to not play at all.

Shall we play a game?

Dream In A Dream.7213:

Q1. I know you collect feedback from some of the forums for the team,
does it include this sub forum and also the negative feelings toward the patch by some of the posters?

Q2. Do any of you guys play WvW and on what servers?

Q3. Would you Please Please Please provide an AMA on reddit or something like that on this forum to facilitate some way of communication for the community about WvW?

PS: Our guild is having a meeting tomorrow about future in gw2. I am one of the people who would like for us to stay. But any lack of communication is really disheartening.

So you, again, answer a question that has already been answered, but you do not answer the other 3 questions he asks. Why so evasive, Anet?

…instead of rewarding the already winning team with better stats. Why not flip the stomp?

If you kill a player that has bloodlust buff, you get points. If they have 3 bloodlust buffs, you get 3 points. If you have the bloodlust buff, you don’t get points for killing, but you have… the buffs.

Sumwun.3846:

I didn’t kill any of them, but I know for a fact they were tired by the time they caught me. They all had to lay down on top of me after finally cornering me in a corner. ..by myself. .. alone in a corner.

I’ve heard what you do alone in a corner… they were certainly brave to bother you while you were doing it.

Grayback Wolfhunter.7203:

I’m not good at PvP and thus not good at WvW. I “enjoy” WvW to some degree. But when it comes to taking a keep, it isn’t my fault if we lose (finger hasn’t been point directly at me. I’m speaking “for” the server’s players). I’m tired of commanders chewing out his followers because we lost something. They talk as if they performed perfectly and the rest of us were the problem! They’d be nothing without us.

This is a bad commander. Remember his name, and don’t follow him in the future. Eventually he will be stuck with his sigil up wondering why nobody is following him.

WvW is like anything else, it just takes practice. The more you do it, the more you will know what to do in situations, or against certain classes. If you absolutely can’t kill anyone, try a different spec. Go to your class boards and find wvw builds.

You don’t have to follow a commander. Ask in map chat if any roaming groups have room. Notice which guilds you see out alot in wvw, and figure out which ones you think you might like. Tell them you are interested in finding out more about their guild and ask if you can run with them for a while. You can be in more than 1 guild at a time, if you can’t find one that does both pve and wvw, then find one of each. Run with people you like. Find out if they have a voice server, and join up, even if you are only there to listen. More is explained in voice chat than typed out because it’s just faster and easier. Running with like-minded people makes all the difference in the world.

That [BS] Thief group in DRBL last night was very coordinated, and gave us fits for quite a bit last night. Good job on that.

Also, great fights last night and into the morning (EST) SF and ET. We had a blast running around trying to counter both of you. Wish I could do the same tonight, but alas, it’s time to make the donuts. Have fun at reset.

You have to remember that sometimes when you are outmanned, the enemy has 1 more player than you. Does it make sense to apply those same buffs in that condition?

Can it be a bunch of heads swinging from a pole or something like that? Would love to have one of every race, or maybe just keep lords heads.

Oh, and btw, ascended back pieces are still not available in wvw.