Guild Wars 2

Oh my god you mean now people will have to play good builds, use good gear and put in effort! SAY IT AINT SO!

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/guild-wars-2-has-no-healers-or-tanks

JonPeters

“There are no dedicated healers that do full healing. Every profession has some form of support to a greater or lesser extent, but none of them enough that they aren’t also fighters,”

If you expect to play a pure healer you should understand that the game isn’t built for that and your build and performance will suck. Don’t blame game balance for pure healers being bad when, as you can clearly read, the developers never intended them to be good. If the quote was, “healing will be huge in our game and pure healing characters will be a major cornerstone of combat” then you might have a point.

I’m not even sure Grenadier needs to be banned in groups. For boss or dungeon solos its a bit OP, but I don’t think its at all upsetting 5 man group balance. I don’t think either of them needs a vote at all TBH.

xbutcherx.3861:

I’m all PvP

http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/historyPlayer/xbutcherx3861

Looks like you’re a sick PvP pro holding it down with a sick 46% win percentage.

xbutcherx.3861:

NikeEU.7690:

xbutcherx.3861:

NikeEU.7690:

xbutcherx.3861:

NikeEU.7690:

xbutcherx.3861:

Fun pastime? trying running 3000+ dungeons and then come back here and tell me about fun pastime, condition warrior will slow a clearing group a LOT, fun pastime? lulz

No, it really won’t. A meta group makes something like 75k dps over a 30 second fight. You think someone would really be able to notice a difference in clear times by losing 2k dps total by taking a condi warrior? Oh No! a 10 second boss fight now last 10.4 seconds. Oh the humanity!

lulz 75k dps over 30 secs? that is just bad!! I alone probably do twice that in the same time. lololo 75k in 30 sec… you made me giggle, you really are new, aren’t you?

75k damage per second. Not 75k damage. Learn to read.

2.25 million Damage over 30 sec? geez you really need a calculator? back to topic with a condition warr it won’t be 2k DPS like you said but a lot more than that. Let’s see how long does it take you to apply 25 stacks of bleed w/out burst? which is the ONLY condition warrior have besides the useless LB (burn).

Do you need a calculator? I know how the game works, apparently you don’t. 2.25 million damage over 30 seconds is probably erring on the side of being slightly low.

FYI, it takes a warrior about 11- seconds to hit their max sustained bleed. This is why condition warriors are not meta, ofcourse. But that doesn’t mean you would even notice one in your group based on boss kill times.

xbutcherx.3861:

well I won’t we explaining anything else, just avoid the groups title “PRO” ,“zerker”, “meta” I’m sure you will get kicked.

Don’t worry, I’m the leader of the best PvE guild on NA, I don’t need to pug with wannabes like yourself.

leader of the best PvE guild? ROFL geez I can imagine how it is. wannabe? lulz

http://www.dtguilds.com/

Maybe you’ve heard of us? Please don’t apply though, you wouldn’t pass trial.

25-30 bleeds stacks, 5-7 Torment, plus burning. Just to correct you. I hate ignorance, so I’m happy to help educate you. =)

xbutcherx.3861:

NikeEU.7690:

xbutcherx.3861:

NikeEU.7690:

xbutcherx.3861:

Fun pastime? trying running 3000+ dungeons and then come back here and tell me about fun pastime, condition warrior will slow a clearing group a LOT, fun pastime? lulz

No, it really won’t. A meta group makes something like 75k dps over a 30 second fight. You think someone would really be able to notice a difference in clear times by losing 2k dps total by taking a condi warrior? Oh No! a 10 second boss fight now last 10.4 seconds. Oh the humanity!

lulz 75k dps over 30 secs? that is just bad!! I alone probably do twice that in the same time. lololo 75k in 30 sec… you made me giggle, you really are new, aren’t you?

75k damage per second. Not 75k damage. Learn to read.

2.25 million Damage over 30 sec? geez you really need a calculator? back to topic with a condition warr it won’t be 2k DPS like you said but a lot more than that. Let’s see how long does it take you to apply 25 stacks of bleed w/out burst? which is the ONLY condition warrior have besides the useless LB (burn).

Do you need a calculator? I know how the game works, apparently you don’t. 2.25 million damage over 30 seconds is probably erring on the side of being slightly low.

FYI, it takes a warrior about 11- seconds to hit their max sustained bleed. This is why condition warriors are not meta, ofcourse. But that doesn’t mean you would even notice one in your group based on boss kill times.

xbutcherx.3861:

well I won’t we explaining anything else, just avoid the groups title “PRO” ,“zerker”, “meta” I’m sure you will get kicked.

Don’t worry, I’m the leader of the best PvE guild on NA, I don’t need to pug with wannabes like yourself.

xbutcherx.3861:

NikeEU.7690:

xbutcherx.3861:

Fun pastime? trying running 3000+ dungeons and then come back here and tell me about fun pastime, condition warrior will slow a clearing group a LOT, fun pastime? lulz

No, it really won’t. A meta group makes something like 75k dps over a 30 second fight. You think someone would really be able to notice a difference in clear times by losing 2k dps total by taking a condi warrior? Oh No! a 10 second boss fight now last 10.4 seconds. Oh the humanity!

lulz 75k dps over 30 secs? that is just bad!! I alone probably do twice that in the same time. lololo 75k in 30 sec… you made me giggle, you really are new, aren’t you?

75k damage per second. Not 75k damage. Learn to read.

xbutcherx.3861:

Fun pastime? trying running 3000+ dungeons and then come back here and tell me about fun pastime, condition warrior will slow a clearing group a LOT, fun pastime? lulz

No, it really won’t. A meta group makes something like 75k dps over a 30 second fight. You think someone would really be able to notice a difference in clear times by losing 2k dps total by taking a condi warrior? Oh No! a 10 second boss fight now last 10.4 seconds. Oh the humanity!

I’ll try to be as constructive as possible: if you know full well that option #1 would result in the banning of Fire Magic from elementalists and thus reduce the ruleset to a joke, why would you even include it as an option? And please, do not reply with “its up to the voters to figure out the implications of their vote” bs. If you know there will be a harmful result from a vote you should probably not offer that as an option until you can reword it in a way that won’t carry the result. If you’re going to stick with the “people should know what they are voting for” line, I really want to know if your goal is to curate rules for the community or to create word-traps to trick people into breaking the ruleset, because that is what the result would be.

Wethospu.6437:

The entire reason we are having these votes is this “common sense” which made lots of people wonder what rules and decisions actually mean when they are enforced based on “common sense”.

And in case you haven’t still noticed, you guys are making these decisions, not me. There is an option for case by case if people want that.

Maybe instead of including an option that would outright ban Fire Magic, you figure out how to word it to allow Fire Magic but not allow things like Symbolic Avenger spam or Grenadier? Otherwise now we have the following options for issue 1…

1. turn the ruleset into a joke and ruin the game
2. let you dictate the rules
3. never-ending votes. votes about votes.
4. turn the ruleset into a joke and ruin the game

3 is the only option that doesn’t result in ruining the ruleset. So that begs the following questions: why are you even including options in the vote that would ruin the game? Why include poison pill options?

Well hopefully you don’t let strict rules interpretations interfere with common sense.

Valik Shin.9027:

Maybe people should consider that there are people who don’t know Nike or anyone in in dnt so saying that you have acomlished things means nothing to them

Who cares who knows me or knows my guild or not? The OP asked a question and I answered it. I didn’t put anybody down. I didn’t say “this is the only answer that matters the rest are rubbish.” The OP, and whoever else is interested, can look at all the responses and judge for themselves.

Valik Shin.9027:

On another note. The way a certain person has come in here ranting about how they know everything about warrior cause of who they are has made me loose a lot of respect for them.

Oh boo hoo. If you’ll notice, the OP asked a question. I answered it to the best of my knowledge, in a simple manner. Some guy tells me I’m an idiot and “he doesn’t care about my guild tag.” Please note: I didn’t make sick brags about my guild or myself in order to put him down, he is the one who brought it up, not me. When he attacked my credibility, I defended my credibility.

If someone says “why should we trust what you have to say about warrior builds?” I think it is rather fair of me to cite the fact that I have earned a little credibility over the years.

And look at your quote again.

“ranting about how they know everything about warrior cause of who they are”

Really? Can a fair person read this thread and make that conclusion? Is that really what an honest person can say happened? Please.

The only thing Im worry about Issue 1 is that the entire Fire Magic trait line is giving an undocumented additional 150 power just by having it selected. It would be fairly ludicrous to ban Elementalists from using the entire Fire Magic traitline, if we went with the strict wording of the rule, which is what you have indicated in the past you wish to do.

Even if they fix the symbol trait bug the build will be really quite viable. Perma-protection, perma-quickness, significant passive healing, good might stacking etc make it rather easy mode even still.

spoj.9672:

People actually have trouble killing the burrows as soon as they spawn still?

yes because my narcolepsy kicks i…. zzzzz

xbutcherx.3861:

Warlord.9074:

NIKE is right its not as bad as you think. Condi warrior good for soloing, not that great in groups. However due to the condi stack changes it isn’t as bad as you think. Before the patch the gap between condi warrior and power warrior on boss solo was very small. Some people said condi warrior could solo Lupi faster.

As I said before not good for dungeons groups.

That’s all relative. Is condi warrior as good as the best possible warrior build? No. Is condi warrior better than the best possible Necro build? Yes. Mesmer?
Yes. Would anyone even notice that they had a condi-warrior (who can spec for EA and PS in groups) since the dps is rather small when total group dps is considered? Probably not. The concept of kicking a condi warrior I found hilarious since a condi warrior is more useful and has better dps than quite a few “acceptable” meta builds for other classes.

Rednik.3809:

NikeEU.7690:

Please tell me more about the meta I apparently don’t know anything about.

Apparently, its seems like you don’t. And no, your guild tag doesn’t makes you look competent.

Except I’m not some random schmoe, I have accomplished some things in this game and my opinion on the topic does mean quite a bit actually.

Awww yeah stickied.

Please tell me more about the meta I apparently don’t know anything about.

Engie has roughly equal dps to Thief, even without the grenade trait so long as the fight is long enough to require the thief to auto attack ever.

xbutcherx.3861:

NikeEU.7690:

Why couldn’t you run a Sinister warrior in a dungeon?

Because they are very bad maybe? I would insta kick cond warrior.

They aren’t as bad as you think.

Why couldn’t you run a Sinister warrior in a dungeon?

After some testing yesterday, Tactics is better than Strength. Burning Arrows reduces the cool down of Pin Down which means you can restack burning every 20 seconds instead of every 25.

And no, it does not out DPS zerker.

CMp3 is actually much lamer than p1 and p2. CoEp2 husk is a bit more interesting than Destroyer.

COEp3 is too similar to p2 so one or the other is preferred. CMp3 is fine, but we wanted to stick with the concept of two paths per dungeon.

They were terrible and no one wanted to do them or practice them. #hotwunderwater #cof2defendmag #ACp3Burrows

List of Paths Available

AC: Story, P1
CM: P1, P2
TA: FWD, UP
SE: P1, P3
COF: Story, P3
HOTW: Story, P1
COE: P1, P2
Arah: P2, P3 (P4 reserved for the rubber match of the Finals)

Sword/Sword + Longbow

Full Sinister with Aristocracy Runes
Food: Koi Cakes
Nourishment: toxic focusing crystals

Strength, Arms Discipline.

Rotation: Auto attack in sword, use Impale on cool down. Use Flurry on cooldown. Swap to long bow everytime pin down is off cool down. Drop a full adren fire field, blast it, fan of fire, swap back to sword. Repeat.

Bukkebruse.2810:

Could you please do something about the way paths are selected this time?

I know that they paths are picked by a script that selects completely random paths, but to make things less repetitive for the viewers I think it’d be better if there actually was some variety. I wouldn’t be surprised if I’m the only one with this opinion, but I’d just hate to see another tournament where it feels like every second path is CM or HOTW.

Guess you didn’t read the part of my post where I talk about how paths are selected.

Death and Taxes Presents: The Trio Invitational Competitive PvE Tournament

Overview: Teams of three will compete head to head in a race to complete randomly selected dungeon paths in the shortest time. Quickly and efficiently clearing these paths with only three party members will be a test of individual playskill, preparation and build selection; the winner of this competitive PvE tournament will be the team who can lay claim to the prestige of being counted among the game’s most elite PvE players.

The Format: Teams will race randomly selected dungeon paths streamed side by side against their opponents. They will be matched up in a best three out of five format, with the winner advancing. The semi finals will be a best of seven and the finals will be a best of nine.

No dungeon path will be run a second time in the tournament before all other paths have been run once. Once all paths have been run once, the list of possible paths will be reset.

List of Paths Available

AC: Story, P1
CM: P1, P2
TA: FWD, UP
SE: P1, P3
COF: Story, P3
HOTW: Story, P1
COE: P1, P2
Arah: P2, P3 (P4 reserved for the rubber match of the Finals)

The runs will be officiated using the community defined Restricted dungeon record rules defined here: http://www.dtguilds.com/forum/m/6563292/viewthread/22998165-competitive-tournament-restricted-rule-set. Exceptions will be discussed and clarified as needed on that thread.

The Teams: Guilds may enter multiple teams. Each team must have at least one member live streaming on twitch to participate.

Each team will consist of three members and an optional alternate. If at any point you elect to use your alternate, the player whom the alternate replaces will not be able to participate for the remainder of the day. The original member will be allowed to return to the team the next day, if applicable. This will allow for unforeseen circumstances to be covered without allowing the alternative to be used for gamesmanship.

Seeding & byes for the tournament will be based on each team’s cumulative Competitive PvE Points for their trio. Current leaderboard: http://dtguilds.com/forum/m/6563292/viewthread/21531347-competitive-pve-tournament-series-individual-leaderboard

If greater than 12 teams register for the tournament, selection will be in order of Cumulative Points first and then at host’s discretion.

Registration: Closes August 14, 2015 @ 8pm EST (GMT -5) http://dtguilds.com/forum/m/6563292/viewthread/22785939-guild-wars-2-trio-invitational-competitive-pve-tournament-registration-thread

Prizes: Minimum prize pool of 1,000 gold. Winning team will received 2000 gems per player, second place team will receive 800 gems per player. Winning team will receive three GW2: Heart of Thorns CD Keys.

How to Watch: The tournament will be shoutcast live at http://twitch.tv/nike_dnt on August 22 and 23rd, 2015 @ 11am EST (GMT -5).

quaniesan.8497:

when you have all 5 of the same class, there is always something that get “abused”. Like 5 mesmers, 15 phantasms going at boss, or chained time bubble. Or 5 shout heal warriors. It’s pointless to argue at the extremity of things.

What? How is 15 phantasms supposed to be good? Or 5 shout heal warriors?

One thing I can say, thank god they nerfed boon duration from traits. Could you imagine how nutty it would be if every Guardian had 30% more boon duration from Virtues?

Obviously the cool down of FMW should be around 60 seconds, but even then it wouldn’t stop this build. The only thing that kept the book balanced before was the long cast time and fact you couldnt do anything else while the book was out and it didn;t stack in duration with each other.

They need to really do a close look at Quickness and Slow before they Chronomancer comes out.

The new specialization system allows you to run whatever build you want within your playstyle. The old trait system did the same thing too. I don’t see what the complaint is here?

Step 2. Guardianway gets put on meta battle.
Step 3. Someone complains on the forums here about getting kicked for joining a Guardian only party and not wearing Berserker.
Step 4. Someone makes a reddit post complaining about the build’s balance and posts videos facerolling everything.
Step 5. Anet nerfs Feel My Wrath into the ground

Lord Kuru.3685:

From the patch notes, a lot of skills seem to have been unsplit from PvE and PvP. They’re not trying to balance both together again are they?

If Cloak and Dagger is any indication, they are just meeting in the middle. I don’t know what they did with Save Yourselves.

I tested it. It sucks. Nice troll build, at least.

Heads up before I make official announcement. We have the dates for the next tournament approved August 22 and August 23. Trio format again, more details to follow!

I don’t think many professions will be bringing more assassins gear than they had before. Ele would have, but now they can use Sig of Fire or LH standard so it evens out. Pretty much just Mesmer is using assassins pieces, and they already did that.

Ursanway was definitely fun the first time you did it. Second time? Hrm.

Zel is correct. If I wanted to make extra money, I wouldn’t bother with making pennies Youtube or Twitch, I would get a consultation job on the side that would pay more in a month than I will ever make from Youtube or Twitch in my lifetime.

But video games are way more fun than ghost writing covered opinion letters so millionaires can pay less tax.

Scootabuser.4915:

NikeEU.7690:

Forum isn’t the place to post troll builds.

Hahaha have you tried it? This isn’t a troll, it’s the fastest boss killer in the game right now.

Why don’t you back up your bold claims with bold evidence?

The fact that they didn’t nerf Ice Bow should let you all know that the “over powered builds” they are referencing have nothing to do with PvE balance. I wouldn’t expect direct damage pve based builds to be nerfed too badly, outside of bug fixes.

Purple Miku.7032:

I kind of think it’s pointless too because they pretty much openly declared that they plan to be nerfing things as they are aware of how overpowered everyone’s damage is, especially condi builds.

I expect lots of traits to change.

Dunno. I already wish the patch did not happen because right now it feels like it did during the early days when I played SNES and entered cheat codes for games that I played. It was highly entertaining at first to have god mode, but its appeal greatly diminishes. I expected buffs but not on this magnitude I guess.

If only there was a way, if things somehow change in relevant ways in a future patch, to update that information and let it be known.

If only.

:)

Not buying if no Tunnel Snakes.

Forum isn’t the place to post troll builds.

Warlord.9074:

I am not sure NIKEs videos are necessary anymore other than reiteration the importance of basic game mechanics to new people and his followers.

Builds have always been easy for experienced players to figure out. Do you think my guides exist to educate people who are in speed clear guilds? That is not the target audience.

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

Patch is still full of bugs and highly subject to change.

Publishing guides now is a great sign of lack of foresight

Or maybe not

:)

:)

So you took the meta build, added a bad trait instead of Empowered and are using a bad utility skill instead of the second banner. K.

Beldin.5498:

Hmm .. +300 ferocity from axe-mastery .. doesn’t look that bad for me.
With 100% critical chance that would also be 20% more damage, and you don’t
need full adrenalin for that.

[edit]
Ups .. i overlooked that it is of course not on to of the old axe mastery
[/edit]

That isn’t how it works. Increasing crit damage by 20% even at 100% crit chance is not anywhere near a 20% dps boost, as the crit damage bonus doesn’t improve the base damage before crit. A 20% damage boosting trait is far, far superior since it applies 20% damage boost to both the base damage and crit damage.

Proof:

Build A.

Power: 2500
Crit Chance: 100%
Crit Damage: 120%
DPS Mods: 1.0
coefficients: 1.0

Total dps: 2326

Build B

Power 2500
Crit chance: 100%
Crit Damage: 100%
DPS Mods: 1.2
Coefficients: 1.0

Total DPS: 2538