Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
Run stability. Confusion thief now useless. Enjoy the easy kill.
why do people keep posting this kitten? The ease for some classes to add confusion via the perlexity runes greatly outpaces the cooldowns on stability, not to mention the methods of stripping boons.
to sound smart and experienced.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
perplex runes are broken, anet knows about it but too lazy to change anything because its not on their “priority list”
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
this is what our bday present should’ve been, not a kittening scroll
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
minis are pretty much a yet ANOTHER currency by now. soon you will be combining minis to create food for you to consume…
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
its not low gpu related because it happens to me and i don’t play on a rig from Best Buy. When you use MI, affected phantasms will get the realistic body when coming from stealth.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
i think by now everyone knows it gives you quickness as well and i don’t remember saying the trait is useless, read please. You don’t have any delays but pets do (~1sec) and when quickness lasts only for 3sec that 1sec of delay on your pet makes a difference
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
What is the point of giving your swapped pet 3sec of quickness when they don’t attack instantly and have a delay? I would suggest a change for this skill to you gaining quickness on pet swap but the pet only gains quickness after its first successful attack.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
There’s no hope for physics in this game, Havok is only there for the show. Just look at how poorly walls in wvw are destroyed lol N64 had the same kind of destruction.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
you don’t refuge inside a ball of people… thanks god you have access to shadow steps and other stealth utilities.
@yolo so you’d say a zerker nec is better to solo roam than a zerker BS thief? then please tell me why almost every single time you’ll find a person alone that is there to solo roam//duel is always a thief? Thief has mobility to help you survive in zerker gear plus stealth, you can’t beat that for survival unless you’re on a warrior with sword/shield+GS and some mobility utilities.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
oh wow i thought the patch was for today Sep 15 and its in one month… almost asked if it was delayed or something (and yes i know there’s a patch in two days)
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
Of all the classes in this game, thief would be the #1 choice to go full zerker if you decide to play a zerker class… just don’t be stupid enough to zerg in groups, duh
Actually, you’re a lot safer in a group zerg then roaming solo as a berserker, as the large amount of players on either end provides a better cover for actually doing damage.
And most thief players will go zerker/valk anyways, since our class has hardly any build diversity.
you don’t cover from anything, you have stealth for that.
yeah stealth for maximal 11 secs with standing still 5secs wow 0.o impressive. you are mixing too many builts in your complaints (backstab is D/D, the nerf goes to S/D, the “perma” invis is D/P) and i dont even bring out the traits you are also mixing.
As a thief i dont want a buff tbh the nerf is most for sPvP so i can look over it all i want is a rework of “steal” and more possibility playstyles with the weapons we already have…… i and think even other classplayer could agree with that
you have 10sec of stealth in a normal BS builds from refuge, this isn’t enough to disengage whole zergs?
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
what do you mean you can’t? i do it with blink all the time… it doesn’t work on all but it works in plenty of spots. also about the pull out of refuge, not all classes can do it and and class/skills that can are normally on long CD. if you see a GS mesmer rushing at your refuge and you haven’t seen him use iWave during the fight, maybe its good time to dodge when he/she gets close.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
Of all the classes in this game, thief would be the #1 choice to go full zerker if you decide to play a zerker class… just don’t be stupid enough to zerg in groups, duh
Actually, you’re a lot safer in a group zerg then roaming solo as a berserker, as the large amount of players on either end provides a better cover for actually doing damage.
And most thief players will go zerker/valk anyways, since our class has hardly any build diversity.
you don’t cover from anything, you have stealth for that.
It’s a lot more obvious as to where a lone thief will be if he stealths then it is if he’s in a zerg, and even moreso if he does stealth.
doesn’t matter. you have extremely long lasting stealth from refuge and can climb up cliffs with infiltrator arrow to lose your target
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
why wouldn’kitten
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
Of all the classes in this game, thief would be the #1 choice to go full zerker if you decide to play a zerker class… just don’t be stupid enough to zerg in groups, duh
Actually, you’re a lot safer in a group zerg then roaming solo as a berserker, as the large amount of players on either end provides a better cover for actually doing damage.
And most thief players will go zerker/valk anyways, since our class has hardly any build diversity.
you don’t cover from anything, you have stealth for that.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
Of all the classes in this game, thief would be the #1 choice to go full zerker if you decide to play a zerker class… just don’t be stupid enough to zerg in groups, duh
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
I hold that elementalists and thieves are equally weak while levelling until they receive their traits as well.
Wow… no, just no.
Don’t you even go there, you obviously aren’t playing correctly.
Thief is probably by far the most efficient and easiest class to solo/level with and Elementalist is probably the hardest.
Nah, wrongo. Thief is pretty easy to level using Sword/Pistol, I’d have to say the easiest is again, the pve king, warrior, while mesmer is definitely the hardest, or at least the most tedious. Most mesmer players say that their class doesn’t become fun until about level forty or so.
its not “not fun” its just bad when you don’t have access to deceptive evasion or at least IC which is grandmaster now=more painful to level since nerf.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
“Successfully killing the target(s) isn’t as easy” are ppl for real with this? Stealth+burst+CnD stomp and move to another target…. what you say? you failed to burst? well that’s cool cuz i can CnD, couple of hearseekers from target to gain space+refuge and get out to then re-burst again. So hard.
It seems you’re operating under the assumption that our target is standing still, and we’re both in full zerker gear.
A WvW thief (a good one) does not run full zerker gear, I personally run full Valkyrie for WvW.
you should never rely on gear to judge some1’s skill, zerker has nothing to do with me, you or some1 else being bad, just sayin.
Then why are you saying that a thief can just c/d-backstab-heartseekerheartseeker-stomp, when the only time this would be applicable is when you’re fighting a low armor class using berserker gear?
well that’s just false. the thief nor the enemy need to be “low armor class using berserker gear” to go passed 6k backstabs (especially in wvw with food and bloodlust). Not only that but you have access to spammable evades on S/D.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
“Successfully killing the target(s) isn’t as easy” are ppl for real with this? Stealth+burst+CnD stomp and move to another target…. what you say? you failed to burst? well that’s cool cuz i can CnD, couple of hearseekers from target to gain space+refuge and get out to then re-burst again. So hard.
It seems you’re operating under the assumption that our target is standing still, and we’re both in full zerker gear.
A WvW thief (a good one) does not run full zerker gear, I personally run full Valkyrie for WvW.
you should never rely on gear to judge some1’s skill, zerker has nothing to do with me, you or some1 else being bad, just sayin.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
“Successfully killing the target(s) isn’t as easy” are ppl for real with this? Stealth+burst+CnD stomp and move to another target…. what you say? you failed to burst? well that’s cool cuz i can CnD, couple of hearseekers from target to gain space+refuge and get out to then re-burst again. So hard.
I’m telling you, try it. Roll a thief, go to spvp and try it. If you manage to stealth+burst+CnD stomp even every second target, I’ll eat my hat.
i understand what you mean but this applies to every class, its called learning the class. The problem with thief is that the amount+spammable stealth covers you unexperience just like when necros were insanely OP. It could be your first time playing a nec and you would do MUCH better than you would on an engi, ele or whatever.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
lol some1 sent me 30 chests, so generous-.- I DONT WANT YO ^%$#!!!
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
^omfg no thanks
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
“Successfully killing the target(s) isn’t as easy” are ppl for real with this? Stealth+burst+CnD stomp and move to another target…. what you say? you failed to burst? well that’s cool cuz i can CnD, couple of hearseekers from target to gain space+refuge and get out to then re-burst again. So hard.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
Don’t even try to deny that a thief is the easiest class to play… even skull crack/100swags warrior is harder and that is telling a lot. im also rank 32 in spvp so i’ve played enough of this crappy pvp as well. I also noticed something, ppl that play only thief will rarely agree that the class is broken but another player that is skilled and plays a thief (as his main) but also plays other classes and is good with them will most certainly agree that thief is unbalanced in its current state. If it was me i’d remove all stealth and stealth related traits from that game and rework thief completely (of course this will never happen). the game is supposed to be skill vs skill and not skill vs nothing cuz the thief just refuged and heartseeker across the map.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
I have like 50 in my bank. New ones I just destroy nowadays when I get them, they are worth less than junk items that drop from mobs.
Exactly. At least you can just press [Sell Junk] and all crappy trophies are gone. BLC should be added to Junk so it sells with useless gray items when you [sell junk] from a merch
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
Yeah that’s the one that makes the most difference, then reflections, then shadows and shaders. These are the ones with most difference. Playing the game on anything else but Shaders set to High is fugly tho.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
This thread has essentially become a forum for suggestions on how to nerf thieves into the ground.
i didn’t read the whole thing and haven’t seen a single post about thieves but all stealth related skills must be toned tone. A game trying to become esports has no counter for the stealth mechanic is laughable.
Stealth have enough counter, but this isnt the reason for my reply.
The thiefbalance (his low hp and no exist deff), was build around the fact that stealth has direct counter. That mean if all class a stealthcounter skill and the thief dont a buff in health, heal or dmg, to equalizes this, will this result in a nerf.
A counter is not a counter when it is solely in the hands of the person who needs to be countered. In it’s current state, being entirely in the hands of the thief, revealed is a control mechanism, not a counter. When it is available to others, then it’s a counter.
And if you say or even think ‘AoE Spam’, your opinion is void. AoE spam works in most other games because they have resource control and much more limited movement. Resource control allows the developers to make low CD AoEs and rely on ‘mana’ to balance their use. More limited movement sets a a clear range where the stealthed player could be. Excepting thieves, GW2 has no resource control and almost no spammable AoEs, and the distance a thief is able to cover is not only huge compared to most games, is by far the most of any class in the game itself.
Furthermore, in case you haven’t noticed, the same pool of stats are available to everyone in the game, thieves can build any stat just as well as any other class The difference is, because of zero counterplay defensive mechanics, they don’t even need certain stats. You don’t ‘balance’ something by sacrificing something that wasn’t needed in the first place.
perfectly well explained and ppl that play thief and defend it to death so their little stealth never gets a counter should think for a sec.
People that refer to it as “their little stealth” should play the class and understand how its mechanics work. You should try actually playing the class you’re suggesting deserves hard counters and nerfs. The individuals who defend thief to the death are the ones who have played the class, there are SEVERAL people ITT who have stepped up to defend thief who don’t main it, but recognize how the mechanics of the class work.
i play mesmer, thief is all i find during solo roams, i know how it works thank you…
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
This game runs worst than modded skyrim with 30+ mods (texture/lighting mods mostly) and im not even talking about zerg fights. Go in any lev25-70 zones (you know the empty ones), set your graphics to maximum with reflections set to All and see sup. The only game i can think of that was as poorly optimized was Crysis 1 on 07 but at least that game was a hog in dem graphics department, gw2 is two gens behind.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
filled it up and its not looking pretty lol
So what you are saying is that it is not looking good because of how you answered? /roll eyes
They don’t show you any results, and won’t show any for another 1 to 2 months. So for you to say “It is not looking pretty” just means that the only results that you know of, are your very own answers.
I’ll use your logic then.
Filled it up, and it is looking excellent.
no, i meant my answers because there were a lot of pve/pvp questions and since they’re abysmal, well, you’ll see in one month when they release votes.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
This thread has essentially become a forum for suggestions on how to nerf thieves into the ground.
i didn’t read the whole thing and haven’t seen a single post about thieves but all stealth related skills must be toned tone. A game trying to become esports has no counter for the stealth mechanic is laughable.
Stealth have enough counter, but this isnt the reason for my reply.
The thiefbalance (his low hp and no exist deff), was build around the fact that stealth has direct counter. That mean if all class a stealthcounter skill and the thief dont a buff in health, heal or dmg, to equalizes this, will this result in a nerf.
A counter is not a counter when it is solely in the hands of the person who needs to be countered. In it’s current state, being entirely in the hands of the thief, revealed is a control mechanism, not a counter. When it is available to others, then it’s a counter.
And if you say or even think ‘AoE Spam’, your opinion is void. AoE spam works in most other games because they have resource control and much more limited movement. Resource control allows the developers to make low CD AoEs and rely on ‘mana’ to balance their use. More limited movement sets a a clear range where the stealthed player could be. Excepting thieves, GW2 has no resource control and almost no spammable AoEs, and the distance a thief is able to cover is not only huge compared to most games, is by far the most of any class in the game itself.
Furthermore, in case you haven’t noticed, the same pool of stats are available to everyone in the game, thieves can build any stat just as well as any other class The difference is, because of zero counterplay defensive mechanics, they don’t even need certain stats. You don’t ‘balance’ something by sacrificing something that wasn’t needed in the first place.
perfectly well explained and ppl that play thief and defend it to death so their little stealth never gets a counter should think for a sec.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
The point is definitely to make you buy keys, since drop rate is about 500 to 1. I just delete them as other posters have said. Not worth the 2 copper to sell on TP. I refuse to buy the keys (now… I did try for a while but really… biggest waste EVER).
it is the biggest waste ever. the faster ppl stop buying them, the faster anet will stop bs’ing us with rng chests.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
This thread has essentially become a forum for suggestions on how to nerf thieves into the ground.
i didn’t read the whole thing and haven’t seen a single post about thieves but all stealth related skills must be toned tone. A game trying to become esports has no counter for the stealth mechanic is laughable.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
now that spirit rangers got toned down a little people are back on crying about mez? how exciting.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
NO. Instead of adding three, four, five and then ten weapons gimmick why not just decrease weapon swap CD to 5sec instead and let us chose weapon skills with at least two different auto attacks on each one (one could be power based and the other condi based), now that would be fun.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
You know this rune could be very hot on a PU phantasm build with Torch/MI/Decoy/Blink/Veil. if i wasn’t running Divinity runes i’d try this
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
“When i summon him he atacks and then stays like a nerd near the target and does nothing” LOL
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
filled it up and its not looking pretty lol
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
you make no sense with your invul and block… its 2sec of invul and 1 block lol this isn’t just not gonna save you but will kill you and ads will laugh at you. I don’t think you have ever done high level fractals because all you suggest is what could only work in easy sauce dungeons where the majority of ads can be skipped like coe/cof/ta up and so on. Not only you’re suggesting to roll full melee which is already a bad idea by it self but you’re playing on a squishy class in full glass cannon… I would’ve asked you how my dozens of times you waste your teammates time rezing you but since i don’t believe you’ve done any high level fractals i won’t even bother asking. Also, the defense of GS is ranged dps and that is much better than spamming one blurred frenzy per 12sec and block ONE attack per 15sec… what a defense you got there bro.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
1. full berserker or assassin w/ruby orbs
2. full zerk/assassin, zerk/assassin jewels
3. 0/20(II/IX)/0/25(II/VIII)/25(III,X)
4. sword/focus and sword/pistol, replace focus with another sword if reflect not needed
5. completely dependent on situation, always have time warp but signet of inspiration works for fights that dont need utility to ouble the boons on your team – slot out whatever skills are irrelevant, its a good habit to get in towhat’s your personal level again? proposing double melee in a full zerker set in the hardest pve content is d u m bbB as &%$#.
awwww, poor nuka cola too scared to melee?
do I have to show you DnT fractal runs where they full melee almost everything at fractal 48, and full melee bosses at fractal 80 too?
called having a brain.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
He’s from God of War 3 and when you release him he goes back to that game
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
i wasn’t playing during beta weekends but why was confusion even nerfed in spvp? were ppl qq’ing or anet decided to nerf it by themselves?
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
why would you want OH sword changed? its perfect as is. i don’t want damage halved for stupid cripple of other condis. the phantasm is 100% power oriented so leave the weapon at that, power based
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
if it was me i’d delete all mantras and mantra related traits and give mesmers something for better mobility and aoe damage. i do not care or want to see mantras on mesmers. mesmers are supposed to confuse people so give them something like so instead of crappy mantras.
Mantra of concentration is the best stun breaker we have for group WvW and restorative mantras is quite nice for support.
They can be better, for example I wouldn’t mind if mantra of pain was an AoE and if the charge cast was shortened to 2s…
sorry but i would go with decoy or blink over that crappy mantra of concentration any day of the year in ALL situations, zerg or not.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
I sell them for 3s each on the TP. Never, ever do I buy BL keys to open them.
Three silver each? You must just be listing them without selling, because last time I checked they were going for about one or two copper each.
they’re 5c each lolol
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
double phanta mesmers will dominate all da things. Or you can go spam a thief since its all you see when solo roaming
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
I wonder how many more months until they fix iElasticity and Siren’s Call clones boon problem
Option:
a) one month
b) three months
c) half a year
d) 2015
This is kittening ridiculous not seen with any devs but them
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
1. full berserker or assassin w/ruby orbs
2. full zerk/assassin, zerk/assassin jewels
3. 0/20(II/IX)/0/25(II/VIII)/25(III,X)
4. sword/focus and sword/pistol, replace focus with another sword if reflect not needed
5. completely dependent on situation, always have time warp but signet of inspiration works for fights that dont need utility to ouble the boons on your team – slot out whatever skills are irrelevant, its a good habit to get in to
what’s your personal level again? proposing double melee in a full zerker set in the hardest pve content is d u m bbB as &%$#.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
they should just remove the limit on the bank slots.
and give us pages in our bank slots.
“Sorry our servers are very limited and we cannot allow people to store that many items”
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
Dire armor with perplex runes on an engi and you become the master pimp kind of your server.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.