Guild Wars 2

Wow… GH resorts to Viz tactics to beat RiOT… seriously guys? most of the guilds that recently joined your server did so to escape the blob not to become part of it….

sorely disappointed…

Good luck WR… I gave you a few bags in the EB JP before reset today… was great fun although would have been nicer to have been left alone to 1v1 the other mesmer a bit more… I think we only got to fight 1v1 twice and both times I narrowly lost – largely because I needed to use some of my skills to avoid those who kept joining in.

Still – was fun and hope I dropped some nice loot for you before we left

ThomasKreshant.6572:

I don’t need luck, if I wanted to win I’d cheat

Hopefully in between mess of you guild type people there will be some room for the random people like me to have the odd small scale fight.

I solo around the map quite a bit… perhaps we will bump into each other… already had some nice 1v1 fights against RoF and GH mesmers.

lol – sorry, I can’t help but laugh here… everyone is so polite even when trying to insult each other. I am really liking this server. T1 is just page after page of personal insults and trolling.

Respect to everyone no matter which server… it is really pleasant… don’t be tempted into moving to T1 (or T2 for that matter).

I will let you in on a little secret… I started my GW2 on Whiteside Ridge… I am the founder of The Mirror of Reason [SNOW]… and back then, WR was awful at wvw… which is why I went looking for sunnier places and for a long while eventually found it on SFR after bouncing around Blacktide, Far Shiverpeaks, and one of the NA servers. It was on SFR that I merged the pvp side of SNOW with RiOT while the pve side stayed on the NA servers and merged with LOST.

WR has improved immensely since I last played on it… so you can hold your heads with pride.

Just from playing the last couple of days and reading some of the posts on this thread… I can only really depart one bit of advice to both WR and RoS players… do NOT be scared of armour repairs… killing a couple of dolyaks, taking a supply camp etc… more than pays for your repairs. Stand and fight… better to go down fighting than a sword/staff/arrow/dagger etc in the back.

I very much enjoyed reading this forum thread… and the Whiteside Ridge recruitment one too. Last night WR had caic(?) night capping almost all night… and they did really well at defending your stuff too. Was funny seeing them send 10+ ppl to deal with my solo raiding though. I think the only 1v1 I saw was when I got caught by some mesmer with my pants down… which was fun fighting with a focus and a great sword and nothing else.

On the topic of blobs… a 30 man zerg is not a blob… this is a blob:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMYfHvfsYpg

So far I am having a blast… keep dieing by trying to take on 4+ WR solo but hey… it’s fun

Nice fighting with everyone on all sides.

I found these very misleading… only contains 1 dye but the way in which it is worded the 25 stands out and the ‘one’ even though at the start gets lost.

Perhaps put the ‘one’ in bold type?

I know it was my own fault for not paying attention but feel like I just wasted 125 gems on something I already had.

The problem is not so much the size of the blob but the skill lag that comes with it… and not just when fighting the blobs… the skill lag hits the entire map as soon as a blob arrives on the map.

This is the problem that needs addressing… and I am not expert enough in IT/internet matters to come up with a solution.

Thrumdi.9216:

Also, on the NA servers, a culture has developed around reset night that goes back 7 months. On my server at least (Tarnished Coast) the reset night push is what really brings all the WvW guilds together and creates intra-guild relationships.

Why Anet would want to destroy that, is beyond me. Study after study shows that it is social ties that keep people playing MMO’s. Destroying reset night on the NA servers will give people just one more reason to jump to another game, if one comes along.

No doubt guilds will continue working with each other, but I can’t see how it can be as good as what we had before.

That’s ok… don’t worry, we will ask Anet to change the NA time to 2am instead… that way you can continue to all play together out of work hours.

Oh wait? you are not happy with that suggestion? duh… we have been like that on EU servers since summer time kicked in… and 1am CET prior to that.

I am sure a little inconvenience of 2 hours earlier is not going to hurt you that much.

I don’t usually play prime-time so I am not really bothered about the pug/free transfer situation on SFR but I hear all the complaints all the time. My biggest complaint is the skill lag. It has become a joke because it is beginning to affect players who are not even part of the zerg/blob fights. On more than one occasion I have lost an easily winnable 1v1 fight because I was unable to activate a skill or change weapons. We can tell when the viz blob arrives on the map by the sudden skill lag we all get.

Only Anet can deal with this problem and they need to start taking WvW more seriously because it is the jewel in the crown of GW2… I am seeing less and less of hardcore pve players and more and more of those who are remaining entering WvW.

skill lag is awful when fighting a blob… it is bad when in a 3 way zerg fight but the blobbing makes all skills useless.

I personally think it has become a lot worse recently. The other day a deso v viz blob fight on the other side of the map prevented me using skills and changing weapons in a 1v1 fight underwater. It was very annoying.

[VcY]Caic Arcem
[sIN]Liadoxxorz
[ZDs]Fanfaron
[RiOT] Crad
[RG] Sacrx the Machine
[BOON] Katiechops
[RNV] Araco

There are many many more good commanders who are good at different things… but these commanders are the ones you want when fighting against the odds.

Sird.4536:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMYfHvfsYpg

Look what came out of the woodwork.

What I couldn’t understand was why they were building siege to take down the gate after they had took down the wall earlier?

It was a great night… I lost count how many times we hit both deso and viz that night with inferior numbers and we were all plastered drunk.

CRAD THE MACHINE!!!!

Kruppa… you miss the point… we were ALL border/map hopping. It is what you do in the early hours… you play cat and mouse with the viz night capping zerg.

CorliCorso.6254:

I was part of Deso’s blob last night till about 3am and lost count of the amount of times we had to scrap with Vizunah’s even bigger blob. We had had particularly fun defence of the Deso garrison against easily double the numbers, but they helpfully kept waiting for long enough between their surges for our blocking skills to cool down, then we farmed them for lootbags.

That counts as teamwork, I suppose?

So you can explain why you were map hopping to the same maps, at the same times? We know you were fighting each other as well… we left mesmers inside forts who told us who eventually won but can you also explain why you were attacking us at the same time as viz instead of either taking an undefended viz tower or a different one of our towers?
Or even if it was a case of wanting to fight the viz zerg (which I can respect) then why were you attacking our opposite gate instead of coming in behind the viz zerg and fighting them. There was time when were defending Hills, the viz zerg and deso zerg met in the courtyard outside the keep – Deso had come in through the south gate and Viz from the North gate… we were expecting a great fight but instead Deso attacked the main keep gate and Viz went around the side to take the North keep gate. Come on guys… don’t try and deny it happened… you then had a fight with each other inside the keep after we all portalled out to take Deso Bay on their own borderlands. But why did you not fight each other in the court yard? Are you seriously that scared of us that you feel you need to double team us first before fighting each other?

Oeps Rolls Necro.2594:

And about the double teaming in sfr… lol. You really think you had a chance when 60 WL and 60 IRON team up on you on sfr bl?

Tldr, deso sucks, blobs, hacks, spies, doubleteam and get wiped all the time.

I am not discussing sfr bl… I am discussing hopping between the maps which is what happens in the early hours. The viz and deso zergs were hopping to the exact same maps, at the exact same times, and attacking opposite doors of SFR gains. It was not coincidence or double teaming on sfr bl… we later discovered you had a spy in our teamspeak and were able to kick him and we all moved to a secure channel.

The viz/deso ‘conspiracy theory’ – let me clear this up once and for all…

Last night it was blatantly obvious that you have two very large zergs – one is deso, the other is viz… and we had 15 organised players plus an unknown amount of pugs (as represented by teamspeak activity).

The two large zergs (plus unknown numbers of ‘pugs’) were the only really two large forces on the borderlands (not talking about EB here). When one zerg moved maps to attack SFR, the other zerg moved to the exact same map, at the exact same time, and attacked the opposite door.

Now this comes down to one of two things… either the commanders of each zerg are communicating with each other and coordinating… and/or we had spies in our teamspeak.

We later discovered that we DID have spies in our teamspeak who were reporting our movements to Deso, which is why we were getting wiped more than often when engaging them in a fight because our movements were being told to the Deso zerg.

Does this constitute an alliance? No and Yes… if Deso had any sense last night, when we were engaged fighting Viz… instead of attacking the opposite door, you could have been taking Viz Garrison or Viz Bay or Viz Hills. We have not had much in the way of T3 all week because you have been tagging each other all week. But by using your spying to focus on SFR, you have been helping Viz. So while, no formal alliance may exist (it may… I am not privy to that information), an informal alliance has been happening.

But my point stands… if you are on Deso last night (and I am not sure how many other times this week)… then you have to be embarrassed at having to use a spy against 15 organised people.

I work with pugs quite a bit… I always have done. Some of my best SFR experiences have been sneaking down the outer and inner wall of hills with 5 pugs and then calling in back up to finish the job against the incoming defending zerg…. or taking down the walls of Bay with 2 people before calling in back up to finish the job against the incoming defenders.

I think that pugs are an important part of SFR… they have in the past been as valuable and as skilled as many of the main wvw guilds.

My problem is that the last free week of transfers let in a lot of pugs and small guilds who do not know how to play (which is fine) but are also unwilling to learn how to play and unwilling to use teamspeak and unwilling to follow the commander’s orders when following a zerg. I am not talking about those who go around camp capping but the ones who tag themselves to a guild’s zerg without teamspeak and without following orders.

The second lot of pugs I have a problem with that came on the last transfer are those who enter and then stand afk preventing players entering the map. I had to que 40 minutes the other night to join my guild (I don’t mind queing because I like to think it indicates people are in there fighting, however…), once I get inside I find about 6 people afk on the spawn point, 4 people crafting, and about a dozen people standing on each set of cliffs (about 10-14 ppl on each cliff) watching my guild going back and forth like a yoyo against Deso and Viz without joining in the fights… i.e. afk

I have a huge problem with people who stand afk in WvW regardless of whether they are pugs or in guilds… personally, I think it should be a reportable offense (5 reports and kicked from wvw with a 2 hour cool down time before being allowed to enter a que).

All this said, I have no doubt that eventually the new pugs and small guilds that joined us recently will eventually become the kind of pugs that make SFR great… it just takes a bit more time and patience… BUT please do not run away from the enemy and please do not stand afk. Deso and Viz have always been blobbing… only now we can see them, we beat then 9/10 times before with smaller numbers and we will continue to do so if you don’t show fear and run away but follow what the commanders tell you.

omphin.1752:

Its becoming pretty clear that it would probably be better for some SFR guilds to transfer to Desolation if they want to beat the Vizunah beast. We dont have your crazy queue times and are a stable T1 server and dislike Vizunah for the same reasons you do. just throwing it out there.

LOL – didn’t seem like you disliked them this week… the other night you held the door to garrison for them preventing us coming to defend while viz capped the lord room… and then we spent all night busy bouncing between the forts while you and viz took it in turns of attacking us… I thought it was just one of those difficult coincidences that sometimes happens… that is until last night….

Last night Deso and Viz were BLATANTLY working together… it was embarrassing. Deso had a blob… Viz had a blob… and we had 15 organised players plus an unknown quantity of pugs (and you can confirm that by asking your spy last night). When Viz attacked Hills/Garri/Bay from one gate… Deso attacked the other gate… BUT, what made this unusual was that you were both map hopping to the exact same maps all night.

Then when it became blatantly obvious (against 11 organised players) that we had a Deso spy in out teamspeak feeding information to IRON…. we were ticking on +150… so we all switched to a passworded channel and look what happens… Deso ticks at +170 and SFR ticks above +200 again.
Seriously if you can’t blob against 15 people without cheating then you don’t deserve to play the game.

It has never been more obvious that deso and viz are working together this week… last night could have been coincidence but tonight… viz blob jump borders and attack North gate Hills, Deso blob jumps to exact same border and attacks south gate… same thing on every map and every major keep… garrison, bay, hills.
Come on guys… at least try and make it less obvious.

I started a post today on the suggestions page… add your support there and it may get seen by the right people…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/IMPORTANT-DAY-LIGHT-CHANGING-HOURS

I think all the classes are pretty much well balanced. Each has strengths and weaknesses and it is just about how you learn to play. I don’t think there is any single class that cannot be beaten by another class. The engineer was very weak but since the last patch it has become a much stronger player. I really hope that Anet do not start changing classes and builds because of a small but vocal minority… like what happened in GW1. The problem is not the class or skills but the player’s inability to adapt and change their character to match the fight.

The only thing I would change is the ability to swap out the elite skill for a normal skill.

but that is penalising people for success… besides I am only going to move if my guild moves too and they will only move if the main wvw community as a whole moves… which would just repeat the process except instead of SFR it will be some other server… will rise up the ranks and top tier 1… then all the bandwagon people will join again and the ques will increase again… so no point really. Far better to add an additional map similar to eb… so that everyone can be accommodated. Unlike some, I don’t mind people joining our server as long as they plan to play and not stand afk… or learn how to do wvw and take advice rather than disobeying the commander and being arrogant.

Waiting times to enter WvW during peak times could be reduced with the creation of an additional map area. Such a creation could in turn could be made available only to servers fighting in tier 1 (and possibly tier 2) to add great incentive for servers to rise in WvW.
However, I think the main issue of waiting times could be reduced through the creation of at least 1 more additional map.

The detrimental impact on European servers because of summer time changes became incredibly apparent last night for the WvW reset.

Would it not be possible to change the reset time for EU servers to a more reasonable time? Reset times in the early hours of the morning 1am-3am for the majority of EU players is a little unreasonable considering the time for US players.

By the way can we just remove the GW1 accolade stuff… it is a completely different game and having been in a guild with a trim is not the same as actually being part of the 8 player team that actually earned it. You don’t hear me boasting on these forums about GW1 stuff, I have yet to make a name in GW2 but hopefully, one day.

Putting aside personal prejudices and VoTF v RG stuff… does this thread not tell you something… SFR and Deso have some great fights and while we may rib and troll each other over them, we actually have quite a bit of mutual respect (on average… obviously, there are one or two who don’t) for these fights regardless of whether we are on the winning or losing side. We appreciate the good sport and fun of engaging combat.
If anything has changed since the non-cull update… I no longer rush into a group solo that I think is only 5-10 ppl knowing I will die but at least will take ppl with me… now I am left thinking how many groups of 20-50+ I have tried to solo and lol alot.

BUT…. I digress… Have you noticed that SFR and Deso have some great fights but there is very little talk about SFR/Deso vs VS here.

Has anyone actually petitioned Anet to introduce gvg to the game?

Oeps Rolls Necro.2594:

( we are still looking for more mr. riot commander, look behind you :P)

lol… I might flash my tag next time for a laugh. I tend not to command because I tend to be that mesmer who disappears from the zerg to hide somewhere after the gate goes down.

Oeps Rolls Necro.2594:

And now that everyone is trolling i can put this vid down here without any problems.
To RIOT from IRON with love.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xd0zfyEqrU[url]

If you recorded your TS can i please hear it?

lol that’s been doing the rounds for a while now We had a good laugh about it too… including the commander in question (in fact, I think he was rather pleased about being made famous). We don’t have TS speak recorded for you but apparently there was a lot of joy about still managing to take garrison… despite the commander set back (I was not fighting at the time – so just going on hearsay from the commander).

The bone I had to pick with VoTF was that I offered you congratulations on beating us about 5 times… 3 times you came in behind us/to the side of us without us noticing you and twice head on… there were some epic fights and I was praising you for them and thanking you for them, even though we lost. I said that you win some and lose some.

VoTF’s reply was written in a tone that suggested that RiOT could never beat VoTF…. the words of Aneu " We havent wiped 6 times in total per single night that I can actually recall, let alone against RIOT" – I admit that was wrong but you did wipe at the gate when we started the attack (which was just RiOT and EXT).

However, my problem was that I was offering you praise and you insult us with “let alone RiOT”

… and then Teel goes on to suggest that VoTF are so ‘leet’ that it would take the entire SFR borderland to beat you… "Maybe it’s the time when SFR had their whole BL in our garrison at reset and eventually after like 30+ minutes of fighting they pulled off. "

Can you see the problem here?

The reason that I feel aggrieved is because I was offering you praise and, yes, I got some of my facts wrong but there was no need to insult the entire guild because of it, let alone the entire server.

Even if you refuse to accept that we beat you at the gate with just RiOT and EXT… then a fight in garrison where you were wiped several times between RiOT, BOON, RP vs VoTF, GH, and Bull is pretty fair odds and even. It was an epic fight… just like the fights where you destroyed us the following night… as we BOTH said… you win some, you lose some…. just as long as we are all having fun.

It is called respect.

Brunners.7251:

So your server does the EXACT same thing that you’re complaining about, and it’s justified because we “deserve it”?

Also, we popped over to Vizu BL afterwards and immediately wiped 20+ RG at least twice.

In all fairness to RG… tonight on VS BL… the server were having a bit of fukittenacrx’s expense but also meant in as a tribute to him and RG… we formed a guild called Crad the Machine Guard [RG] and everyone represented that guild for about an hour or so…. The chances are you wiped a large group of randoms and not Sacrx and the real [RG]

Victim.3016:

Personally I don’t count the RG-VoTF GvG. We came totally unprepared with a bunch of random guildies using random builds. And it was our first GvG as where you had done kittening loads. We were unprepared and it showed, and did you see us run away? No, we kittening stayed there until YOU got bored lol. So instead of kittening about it you should show respect. We will get a GvG sorted soon, try not to change server again eh…

Respect? You don’t know what the word means mate. VoTF are supposed to be this all mighty best at wvw ‘leet’ guild that is unbeatable. Surely that is what all your other posts have been suggesting… Are you changing your mind?

I used to have a lot of respect for VoTF but since you came back from SoS you are not nearly the same guild that left SFR.

gamerul.2509:

I see people will do anything to feel better even lie about wiping votf 6 times was it ?:)) and having extra guilds with them and still claiming their guild did that, dont be that desperate guys please.

I said it was predominantly RiOT with friends. And it started with just RiOT and friends. Being in RiOT and being on the RiOT TS channel it is difficult to notice other guilds joining in.

So after seeing the video I will re-visit the fight… We wiped VoTF at least twice… once at the gate we broke down and once inside in the gate. We did this as predominantly RiOT… but VoTF were not alone either.

Inside the keep we wiped VoTF alongside BOON and RP… but once again SFR were heavily outnumbered… as the video clearly shows.

I was holding off disrespecting VoTF but the continued lack of respect for RiOT makes me think otherwise now…

VoTF = ‘leet’ … don’t make me laugh. VoTF joins the yanks to be their pvd guild and what happens? SoS get demoted to T2 and everyone jumps servers a second time. VoTF then join Deso and what happens? You will be lucky to stay in T1 despite SFR concentrating attacks on Viz. Let’s hope you don’t join SFR when you go down to T2… you seem to have a habit of joining successful servers and making them lose.

Jackie.1829:

That doesnt change the fact that Riot did not at any point ever in this game wipe us 6 times in 1 night. Just because we lose sometimes does not mean we cannot have guild pride.

And in any case, whoru? You dont seem like anybody significant anyways, vicarious victories much?

You know I was showing VoTF some respect because a lot of you were my ex-guildies from F>U but seriously…
You might want to show a bit more respect to other people and they may continue to respect you and your guild… but treat others with contempt and we will reciprocate. You are doing yourselves no favours in terms of promoting your guild.

Teel.9036:

Aneu.1748:

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

Last night VoTF got the better of us (RiOT) several times. It was a bit of back and forth though, VoTF took us from the rear each time and Deso numbers were much larger than RiOT numbers… but still a lot of fun. Makes up for the time we wiped VoTF 6 times in their garrison a couple of weeks ago. Swings and roundabouts. As long as we are all having fun, dieing is preferrable to running.

6 times? We havent wiped 6 times in total per single night that I can actually recall, let alone against RIOT. Unless you are talking about single people or groups of 5 running around?

Maybe it’s the time when SFR had their whole BL in our garrison at reset and eventually after like 30+ minutes of fighting they pulled off. I remember our commander never died though and we never wiped but we had on average 5 people running back to our group during the fight. Was a fun fight but shame about the lag.

It wasn’t the entire BL… just RiOT and a few friends… about 20-25 of us. Was one of the best fights I have had in WvW… we had to pull out to defend Hills when Viz attacked it with golems. We killed a lot of you. Not quite as good as when we did the same to Viz the previous night… we had to fight wave after wave for a good 30-40mins. Had to pop a merchant because there were too many bags on the ground. I think we lost more than half of the bags. But that fight for deso garri was definitely amongst the best we had had.

Last night VoTF got the better of us (RiOT) several times. It was a bit of back and forth though, VoTF took us from the rear each time and Deso numbers were much larger than RiOT numbers… but still a lot of fun. Makes up for the time we wiped VoTF 6 times in their garrison a couple of weeks ago. Swings and roundabouts. As long as we are all having fun, dieing is preferrable to running.

Have to laugh at Viz accusing SFR of night capping… what do you expect us to do after we kill your zerg? Just stand around like we were doing in Deso’s tower last night in VS-bl… was very strange defending a tower that belonged to an opponent.

Under Web.2497:

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

Under Web.2497:

I’m SICK OF CHEATERS (that’ll be another warning for caps)
I was inside BAY at 2.00am GMT, repairing the damaged south outer door from INSIDE when 3 (YES THREE) SF “APPEAR” next to me INSIDE the CLOSED gate. OBVIOUSLY they kill me. It’s the first time that this has happened to me so it took me by surprise. What makes it even worse is that the sf zerg was just behind them- so obviously sf allows this to happen??

Are you talking about mesmer Phantasmal Berserkers? They pass through gates you know… duh.

Phantasmal berserkers with blessings? – phantasmal berserkers that do heartseeker for 11k damage?? . . . . .

Well if we spot anyone cheating we report them… we have in the past walked away from the lord room after finding out that the assault started from a exploit cheat.

Axle.5182:

[ECL] from SFR hope you enjoyed the fun on Viz bl nice try with the mesmers in bay unfortunately we [AFTL] played enough around you on piken to know what you where up to, must admit though you gave me quite the run about along with those two stealthers from [RIOT] lol

love from the annoying Asura Guardian flushing your mesmers out and chasing them round bay, need a lie down now my little legs are exhausted

Glad I gave you some sport (one of the RiOT mesmers)… although I did manage to portal my guild onto the walls for VoTF to slaughter (lol)… was a very funny thing being chased in the moat… I thought I had maybe one or two behind me and I turn around to see the entire of VoTF on my heels… nice to know my former fellow gamers fromkittenthink so much of me

Under Web.2497:

I’m SICK OF CHEATERS (that’ll be another warning for caps)
I was inside BAY at 2.00am GMT, repairing the damaged south outer door from INSIDE when 3 (YES THREE) SF “APPEAR” next to me INSIDE the CLOSED gate. OBVIOUSLY they kill me. It’s the first time that this has happened to me so it took me by surprise. What makes it even worse is that the sf zerg was just behind them- so obviously sf allows this to happen??

Are you talking about mesmer Phantasmal Berserkers? They pass through gates you know… duh.

To be honest, I don’t think T1 EU has PvD anymore. We fought IRON last night pretty hard for SM and were repelled 3 or 4 times. We also had to fight to defend our keep in EB when Deso tried to sneak it… this was at 2am. By the time people are starting to go to bed, SFR already own most of the map. The rest of the night is basically spent building siege and upgrades while defending against the Viz zerg that goes from map to map with their golems.
As for SFR being weak as mentioned by some viz guy above… I was soloing a supply camp yesterday and 2 viz guys turn up, I kill them and go back to the camp. Viz then sends 6 people to sort me out and it takes you over 5 minutes to kill me – and I am not a thief playing invisibility tricks – I am actually engaging you in the fight and I even took one of you out and downed a 2nd. So I am assuming you are telling a joke or trolling when you say that SFR are only no.1 because of numbers… we were no.1 when we were only an intermediate server and viz was full in January.

Fuzzion.2504:

I have never heard of these guilds/worlds and players. Doesnt EU have their own forums?

Have a word with PRX… they will tell you all about us. Great guys (and gals).

I can’t wait for the eventual EU vs US thing. Imagine… VS and SFR allies… we (SFR) do all the fighting, and VS can sit in the castles we conquer and siege them up to the hilt. JQ etc. wouldn’t stand a chance. Not forgetting all the Deso thieves to scout for us.

lol Dyno… it always feels strange these days killing French online and then supporting them on match day. There are half a dozen French flags flying on my estate, along side NUFC ones.

Kingface…. I think you miss the point. I was genuinely impressed that some VS guilds and some ER guilds were able to fight together in the same zerg without killing each other.

Skillz… SFR couldn’t do that… we just kill everything in sight.

“Operation Bohica” is old news… we decided this morning to let Viz stay in t1 for another week (maybe 2 if we are feeling generous). I think we are coming to the realisation that we lose the best farming in the game if you go down. We need gold.

oh come on, I witnessed it myself… when SFR were in T1 last time, and ER were in the tier, I saw VS take down an SFR wall, kill all our defenders, and then step aside for ER to take the fort. You were fighting together in the same zerg and not against each other. I wished I had screen shot it now.

It may not have been a close alliance but some of your guilds were definitely manipulating points by playing alongside some ER guilds in the same zerg. To be honest, I was quite impressed that you were managing not to kill each other.

It was not like when we were trying to get demoted into T2 before the point reset and were helping ER take forts. When we were doing it we were not in any agreement and fighting with ER in the same zergs… we were just removing defences and then leaving. In fact it was a competition between SFR and ER who could lose the most points and we often got frustrated when ER were not taking the things we were clearing in advance.

By the way, I am not suggesting that VS and Deso are in alliance… I was merely pointing out how ridiculous it is to suggest that SFR and Deso are.

KabaL.6217:

Be carefull all VZ guilds + RG are moving to Jade’s Sea Server
RG wants to play with the french guilds now.

lol I had Sacrx down as coming from somewhere near Sunderland…. but I guess he is a fellow magpie after all. nouveau château unis

there is zero pact between deso and sfr… I commented yesterday about deso snipers attacking us while letting VS take the deso tower. Plus we have been in some awesome battles with Deso. At the start of the week we were fighting VoTF in the Deso garrison and had to leave the lord room to go and defend hills from a VS attack… on the same night we were defending against Deso on South gate bay and VS attacked from the North and wiped us but Deso claimed the keep… does that mean Deso are in an alliance with VS?

SFR fight 1v1v1… we are not like VS and their former alliance with ER

I have to admit, I was a bit confused with Deso’s GoD tactics today. 2-5 thieves (it varied in numbers from different guilds but GoD stood out) trolling SFR outside the SFR spawn point in VS BL.
I could have understood the tactics if they were trolling everyone on the map but they were letting VS players through to attack the Deso tower while focusing on SFR….
very strange tactics… surely if your tower is under attack you first target the people attacking it, then target stragglers from the other server afterwards… especially as SFR were attacking VS owned Bay at the time.
I have no problem with SFR attacking Deso or the other way round… had some lovely fights with VoTF in the last week but just wondering why you would not focus on defending your own fort against VS foremost?