Guild Wars 2

oh and can we have grasping vines on sylvari work plz

OK… I am starting to get a little tired at my skills not working… can you fix them please…

1) cast time needs to be what it says on the tin…. it should be half a second to cast almost all of my skills but it is more like 1/2 a minute to cast anything… this is especially important for magic bullet and blurred frenzy

2) make it so that my skills work on small elevations… things like magic bullet and swap misfire 9/10 times if I am on a different elevation to my target – and I am NOT talking about being on the wall of a keep

3) all mesmer interrupts are shorter cast time than a hammer warrior and yet, I am constantly finding my own interrupts being interrupted by hammer warriors… this should be the other way round

I am getting tired of having to dodge and go invisible all the time and taking twice as long as normal to kill the enemy because my skills are not working as they should.

VaaCrow.3076:

And yeah, matchup thread seems to be dominated by the same few riot blowing smoke up their own kitten-holes, funny that.

Do you get higher doing that?

a zerg is less than 40 ppl give or take a few… a blob is 50+

or more specifically, a blob tends to be when you have to que to get on the map and once on the map almost everyone (give a take a few) is following the same commander.

But if you can cap the number of people able to see the commander tag then you would have distinct definition on what is a blob and what is a zerg.

There is an alternative… if Anet forcibly divided the population of the game into servers that were more equally balanced by moving entire guilds to different servers… So that each server had more or less the same number of people… and then solved the skill lag issues… then the dreaded blob would not be an issue anymore.

Atlanis.1473:

Err, I’m Outmanned on every bl everyday, even home at times lol.. and exploiting happens on every server mate.
RoS has a horrible reputation when it comes down to cheating (I know a lot of that is false or just due to individuals since RoS was my home..) but that sorta makes it RoS can’t complain about some individuals using “ac hacks”, because your people do literally the same and I see none of us crying about it (for a change, because I remember people accusing RoS in every matchup lol).

And yea i just replaced UW with RoS, fun eh?

See how easy it is to post some random junk, it proves nothing.

No matter how much Server X cheat’s, it doesn’t give you a freeride to cheat too.

Justifying it by saying but but but you cheat too, and your reputation is so bad, which it isnt btw. maybe in your shaded biased view it is, but only that.

I totally hate cheating, no matter if its done by an ally or by a foe, it’s foul play.

I enjoy the matchup, i don’t care who wins in the end, but stop acting like your the topdogs here, cause the few RioT i saw in eb where barley noticable.

Let the flaming begin!

Keva
[Rain]

You didn’t notice me Keva for two reasons… firstly, I am the mesmer that hides and portals people in when you have gone (except when I get caught it a lag spike)… secondly, I am the person on the top of SM holding you off with the canons… on the weekend I solo defeated both UW and FR attacks on the SM gates and on a couple of garrisons with my uber canon skills.

Besides… RoS does not equal RiOT and nobody in RiOT thinks that we are the only and best guild on RoS… we have some brilliant players and guilds on RoS that are not RiOT. We are honoured to be playing alongside them. We are merely one guild among equals.

Zergs are fun, they are what set wvw apart from spvp and should be encouraged not destroyed. In the times of olde armies fought each other, not small groups of elite forces.
BUT… blobs are not fun. They cause lag and because of other dynamics of the game, create a numbers only game – for example, in real life, you can’t run up a hill in full armour without losing a lot of speed. You can’t easily run through woods, and bushes or jump streams and trenches – or swim in full armor. All things that were employed in the past by inferior numbers to beat a superior strength.

SO how do we keep the zerg but eliminate the blob? One suggestion is to make it so that you have to join a commander to see their tag on the map. Then limit the number of people who can run with the commander and still see their tag. Obviously there is a clear way around this (employed by guilds) but it should have an effect on the size of zergs.

Another suggestion is to create more choke points on the map. Reduce the strength of armor underwater but introduce the ability to create boats as moveable siege. Make the streams more difficult to cross by making them deeper forcing the use of bridges. Slow people down as they climb up a hill and speed them up as the climb down… make it slower to move in heavy armour and easier to move in light armour but change it so that all classes can choose which kind of armour they wish to use.

Personally I think the latter suggestion would cause too many people to quit the game and cause a lot of grief on the forums. But, the first suggestion would work quite well. Make the cap 30 people and then it can be moved up or down after a trial period.

Enocka.7421:

You are joking right all ive seen from Ros this week so far is huge zergs and people exploiting ac

I spend 90% of my time in the game soloing outmanned maps… 1% in small roaming groups trying to sneak down walls and gates. 9% in a small zerg.

I have yet to see a huge RoS zerg… we simply do not have the server numbers to blob.

SoggyFrog.4170:

When I get off of this mountain
You know where I want to go
Straight down the Mississippi river
To the Gulf of Mexico
To Lake Charles Louisiana
Little Bessie, girl that I once knew
She told me just to come on by
If there’s anything that she could do

Up on Cripple Creek, she sends me
If I spring a leak, she mends me
I don’t have to speak, as she defends me
A drunkard’s dream if I ever did see one

I do believe this is the song for Gandara.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDnlU6rPfwY

“How will Ruins of Surmia fare against Gandara? Your guess is as good as mine is.”

there are a few mesmer hacks that I have seen like blinking on top of walls… if you can… film it and report it.

I think that Anet need to revisit the line of sight thing on mesmer skills because sometimes even if I am on a small hill… half my skills won’t work (especially sword/pistol combo)… I need to be on a even playing field to use some of my skills. I manage but it does give the person I am fighting against an unfair advantage and I have to spend more time dodging and in invisibility waiting for skills to recharge.

LotuS.4378:

Piken Square – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aXrLt9a6eE
Riverside. Vizuna anyother blob server – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ivYHY8V-XA
Augury Rock with RG – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0

We already had a RG song from the SFR days…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1O95GMrhS0

But as AR is a French server…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC6vZOgYduk

BOO!!!!

I have had a blast on this match up…. was great fun successfully defending garrison on my own against 15-20 UW

Not many 1v1 fights though.

Also had great fun in one of the bl towers dodging 2 people chasing me before I finally mistimed a skill and got caught out… Still was good practice, good fun, and helped distract you long enough for the rest of RiOT to cap bay.

I think they should standardise the badge drops… make it so that you get one badge per a rl player that you kill (help to kill) plus loot. I would keep them for camp and tower bosses to encourage people taking them but would drop them from jp and other npc.

RoS is a medium server and we destroyed RoF more than once.

Having a blast with 2 at the moment but would probably prefer 3 – but not having tried option 3 then 2 is certainly much better than 1.

We might be losing the numbers game but in terms of skill we are probably a little ahead of FR and UW.

Move servers… we very rarely get any lag and are having a blast in WvW.

qq… oh no we are not winning anymore…

we are having a blast… we might not be winning on points but the only thing stopping us destroying FR and UW are the lack of numbers. I have been spending gold like water on upgrades but I am still 10 gold in profit from farming UW and FR… and no doubt they have probably had their fair amount of loot bags from me too.

ah when I read the title for the thread I thought it was a proposal for some wvw action between players and devs… I am well up for a 1v1 with the moderator… and I am sure my guild will be up for a gvg behind the windmill with the anet team as I have no doubt many other guilds will be too. We will probably get owned but would be a great learning experience and immense fun.

yes… the GH heavy power is quite impressive… I had some good fights with a warrior yesterday in our supply camp and my max damage build was barely scratching his health. I was also surprised that his hammer smash was also faster than my own interrupt – something for anet to address perhaps – make all class interrupts equal in cast time.
I was a little hampered by wasting skills on the dolyaks and camp guards but eventually, I switched builds and defeated him… and although I was barely troubled after switching my build (except when I fell off the edge into the water)… it was still a good fight.
Alas when I returned there was a ranger and my zerg build was not suited for 1v1 with a ranger… so I switched back but then there was an engineer too and 3 v 1 plus camp guards and quaggans meant it was no longer worth trying out different builds.

I did try to invite them to a party so that we could perhaps organise some 1v1 fights properly without any interference but there was no response…

The guild in question was ox

It was a very good warrior build… first time I have ever had any difficulty in beating a warrior. The other two players (ranger and engineer) were just opportunists… 1v1 they would have both died pretty quickly. I had them both down to near zero health before either friend or guard came to their rescue. But hats off to the warrior…

Crad… don’t worry about it too much… I had great fun earlier on before dinner destroying the GH blob with my canon on SM…

1, 2, 5, 4… Me count so poor

1, I can count to 1
2, I can count to 2
3, I can count to 3
4, I can count no more!
1, What comes after 1?
2, What comes after 2?
3, What comes after 3?
FIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!one

I can only count to 4!

nice mesmer fight with BNF just before… little asuran mesmer… did really well

by the way… I take things like racism and specific one on one bullying as serious.

such a shame I can’t convert all my infraction points into ascended gear… they need to set up an infraction point trader in LA.

Oh… nearly forgot… I solo the map a lot… doing the sometimes boring but necessary work of taking back our supply camps… so I meet a lot of the smaller guilds and other solo players… which is probably why the MARA tag sticks in my mind.

Steelo.4597:

[MARA] doesnt do WvW in an organized fashion afaik, there is some random granddads and grandmothers from MARA popping into wvw from time to time but i think you mean [MM].

Hyinna: You just have :P

Really did Riot vote on you being their communications officer or are you self appointed? because that would be one good joke if i ever heard one.

I thought it was incredibly funny when they appointed me communications officer on the very day I got banned from the forums But then RiOT have a wicked sense of humour… as you would see if you watch any of our videos.

People always think we are some sort of serious WvW guild… we are a PvX guild who enjoy a good laugh and we never take ourselves so seriously that we lose the fun in playing the game.

by the way with the coming changes… if this is the last time we meet Dzag for a while… just wanted to say… I loved fighting with and against you … while I had issues with the behaviour of one or two spectators during behind the windmill fights… overall fully enjoyed the competition. Respect… for me Dzag is the best German server we have fought against so far. Elona Reach and Kodash are useless in comparison.

nice fight with a GH ele at orchard camp GH BL about 12:50pm 28.05.13 – I killed the necro first but you provided some nice competition.

pity you ran away into the camp guards… I thought it was a pretty even match up …although you would have died eventually – lol
But, yeh, very nice fight… you had some very good defense skills… there were several times, I would normally have finished you but you managed to survive all of them.

Kimbald.2697:

The problem with most defensive WvW mechanics is that it’s always the same people doing them.

It’s easy running with the zerg for many kills and badges, and asking if anyone has eyes on this or that tower.
Just like it’s easy to expect OTHERS to build siege there, make sure supplies get through, or even upgrading it.
Latest boring addition to that list: expecting others to tick siege so they don’t despawn by the time you arrive with the zerg…

The same minority of players bother with the boring and costly stuff, while the same majority of players expect others to do it while they go for the fun fighting all over the map.

To me that is the main flaw of the system.
And the remedy indeed should be to give some fun and rewards to those doing the boring work.
What and how can be debated upon. But as it stands: the players running with the zerg all over, are still rewarded a lot more than the ones defending.
The zerg only comes defending when there is an actual fight to be had after all…

I played in T3 with a bit of T2, and I play in T8 now.
it was the same everywhere: day after day I saw the same people running supplies, scouting, defending, ticking siege… and I saw the same people running with the commanders from fight to fight never bothering with defense untill an enemy zerg arrived.

It’s normal you have a minority of defenders and a majority following the commanders. But that doesn’t mean it should always be the ‘others’ who are stuck with the boring stuff.

Better rewards, and more things happening on defensive tasks are indeed a good idea.

I have nothing against better rewards for defenders… people running supply, fixing walls, building siege, ordering upgrades etc. I just don’t think there should be any pve event content added.

by the way, it is not the worst idea anymore… someone else suggested a dungeon that is only accessible to the server in the lead (aka pve content that is reliant on wvw results).

well before they changed the sword thing… you didn’t need anyone standing around waiting… you just kept an eye on the map. Sure you got fooled a few times by people banging on doors while passing (still happens).

So my suggestion is that you just remove the sword delay. and return it to how it was before.

Alternatively you can do what Viz do which is to pay people to wait… or you can do what we do, which is to rotate every 20mins or leave someone who is semi akitten to just check the walls if swords appear (people doing work on their computers or eating but listening to the teamspeak).

Nikola.3841:

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

How do you have wvw if only one realm has access to it? Wouldn’t it just be another pve dungeon that is reliant on the pvp players for access (aka UW/FoW in GW1 before they changed the dynamics)…

Because other 2 servers already had people in it when it flipped? I don’t see why is that hard to comprehend.
If it has good drops, why pvp people would not hurry there when in flips? Is it bad thing that dominating server in wvw loses some people to pvp/pve combo dungeon?

OK in reality 1 other server will have people there when it flips… it flips and then the dominant server head there and the first thing they do is wipe out the people already there. End of story… pointless. Still the worst wvw idea ever.

Snowreap.5174:

thiagoperne.7340:

As much I hope this new system work out ok, I can’t see it happening. Unless they lower the spread matchups random math, even the chances are low, tier 1 servers can fight against tier 3 servers wich I don’t even need to say how bad that would be.

Why not a very basic ranking system(NO RATING)? Like this:

• FINISH MATCHUP 1ST PLACE = MOVE UP A TIER
• FINISH MATCHUP 2ND PLACE = REMAIN ON TIER
• FINISH MATCHUP 3RD PLACE = MOVE DOWN A TIER

This way a server will never ever face the same matchup in a row plus they will always be fighting against a server that you can compete as well as you are close each other(like an imaginary rating).

what you’ve described is usually called WULD (Winner Up Loser Down), and it turns out that WULD has even worse volatility.

WULD essentially guarantees that a T1 server will fight a T3 server every other week. Likewise, it will put a T2 server against a T4 server every other week, and so on.

To understand why, imagine three closely-matched servers in Tier 2. The winner will move up to tier 1, and the loser will go down to tier 3. meanwhile, the loser from tier 1 will come down to tier 2, and the winner from tier 3 will go up to tier 2.

The match will be a blowout. the T1 server will easily beat the T3 server (and probably the T2 as well), and the next week they’ll go back up and the T3 server will go back down, resulting in essentially the same matchups you started with. then a week later, the blowout will be repeated.

-ken

I don’t think that will be the result… you are correct in that a t1 server will face a t3 server… that’s not the issue. I think you will find that some of the lower servers are actually quite skilled or they are very fast to learn.

I think if you took away the numbers advantage… then a lot of lower servers are capable of beating the higher tiers.

For example, at one point we had ourselves (RiOT), a full VcY, VoTF, and XxX all on Ruins of Surmia server in tier 8. At that time, we could easily have beaten any of the tier 2 servers and it would only have been the numbers that would have prevented us beating the tier 1 servers.

Obviously, now that it is just RiOT and half of VcY left, it would be more challenging but it would not be a walk in the park for Gandara. We only lack the numbers of one decent size pvp guild during primetime to make the match more even. Similarly, while we have been here, the other servers around us have not been sat idle. GH now has FURY playing for them and I assume (forgive any arrogance here), that FURY and playing against ourselves has imparted a lot of knowledge to some of the other GH (and Dzag guilds) because they are now a lot more organised, more focused, and they have managed to harness much better the raw talent of their individual/small group players. The tier has improved immensely since we first arrived and I think it will be the same on a one up, one down system… what you will get is people learning from the tactics of other servers, adapting and eventually beating the dominant server in the group.

Incidently, any reasonable sized pvp guilds out there, would be more than welcome on RoS to replace those we recently lost… No lag (when wvw is working properly), no ques, and good competition from the other servers.

sounds like sneezy if it was early hours

am I missing the starting post here? Was it deleted because this thread makes zero sense.

“Create dungeon, lets call it Darkness Falls.
It should have good stuff inside, and be open for wvw fighting, but only realm with
highest tick has access…I think that would lead to some interesting dynamic in wvw”

How do you have wvw if only one realm has access to it? Wouldn’t it just be another pve dungeon that is reliant on the pvp players for access (aka UW/FoW in GW1 before they changed the dynamics)…

it is a pointless idea… all you will have is a lot of pve players complaining about not having access when their server is not doing well… and lots of pvp players complaining about the pve people bandwagoning their server and not contributing to the fighting.

I thought the activities inside forts for scouts was the worst wvw idea ever… but I think I jumped the gun… this is definitely the worst idea so far.

grrr…. stop turning pvp into more pve… Can’t think of anything worse. Besides if you are busy doing some event thing inside the fort then you are not really looking at what is happening elsewhere… making it easier to attack.

The easiest trick in the book is to wait until the centaur or skritt attack a supply camp and then come in behind them after the scout has confirmed it is not a real attack.

Worst wvw idea ever.

Facepunch.5710:

What I find more annoying is when there is no one at the entrance, but there are several people camping at the top of the coliseum room after the dark room. Not only is it impossible to win 1 v 6 when they have that kind of high ground, but you get to do most of the JP before realizing that they’re even there.

On top of that, it really just seems like bullying at that point. If you want to PvP in there that’s fine, but do you really have to kill every solo player that’s just doing the puzzle? /inb4L2Pyou’reinwvwbro

the very first time I did this jp…. some thief ganked me at the end chest… now I just kill anyone I meet there regardless where they are at in the puzzle, and I do the same on the rare occasions I enter the other jp too (usually following ppl in there just to kill them). I suggest you do the same from now on.

there are really only 2 options for solo roaming… Thief or Mesmer

I personally run a mesmer. You get ganked more than a thief because it is more difficult to run away with the build I use… but I personally find it more challenging and hence more fun.

No ques on Ruins of Surmia… and we could do with two reasonable size guilds or one large guild for EU prime time to join us to replace guilds we lost after the ac farce.

JonPeters.5630:

This is excellent and would be true if our rating currently had significant meaning. Once this new randomization is in place for a while we expect both ratings and deviation will stabilize a bit more. If at that point our simulation is still generating bad match-ups we can absolutely look at lowering the range.

But would that not just recreate what we already have? i.e. static boring matchups where servers find themselves stuck in the same tier despite dominating for weeks. (…and everyone knows that the only reason GH won this week was because of the dc problems this week – RoS didn’t just throw a 10k lead).

I am willing to try the new system out but if we end up back to the start then what will be next?

I personally still think a one up, one down would mix things up while keeping servers at the right level… if a server goes up one week and then finds themselves out of their depth then they will simply go back down the following week.

Irxallis.7350:

I would like to thank Surmia and Dzagonur a lot, for very good fights. Both those I won, and those I died at. Mostly for those where you taught me something new.

Some notable moments from many:

RoS:

- RiOT:
I managed to have some 1 vs 1, 3 vs 3… basically, many small-scale fights I like a lot.
I spoke with some of you and I hope we will meet again on the battlefield – you guys are really, really good and nice :-). I am learning a lot from fighting you.
/bow

- GoA:
When I see GoA tag, I know the fight will be interesting :-).
That asura mesmer in the Godsword at Saturday…
S/F + Staff mesmer. Attacking a Sw/F + Sc/Sw mesmer and a thief. He could have ran away to Gods at any moment. He decided to stay and fight. AND the fight against him, 2 vs 1, was surprisingly long and hard.
/bow

- FRS:
The ranger, in Hero camp I have had the pleasure to duel. The fight took about 3 minutes and I only won because I got a bit luckier.
/bow

The Legend (by rank, can’t recall anything more – warrior? Guardian?). Firstly, you stopped us when we were trying to get Gods. Then, you stalled 4 of us from taking the tower for a REALLY long time. At 1 vs 4, until some reinforcements came. And many, many more situations. You are a force to reckon with.
/bow

Dzagonur:

- BNF:
I travel in the pack of 3-5. When I see 3-4 of you, I know we will lose the fight (as for now, we have never beaten BNF in equal fight or even at a bit superior numbers), but the fight will be something to look at later and learn. Eventually, I will devise a way to be able to stand against you and give you a good fight :-).
/bow

- Order of Old Tyria (?) and Orb (?) (not 100% sure here, might have mistaken, sorry):
You are very strong players and seems you communicate very well. Moving in small teams, guarding the southern camps, incredible reaction time. Deadly and efficient. Some memorable fights against you.
/bow.

Gracious thanks,
A roaming mesmer (mostly accompanied by a charr thief and / or a sylvari ranger)
from GH.

That is a really nice post…

I just keep laughing that 9/10 times when I log into the forums (provided I am not banned…)… the RoS and GH thread is normally near the top.

ballyboy.9143:

Nah we just started using RoS tactics. More men more win. Seriously, unless you had at least double the numbers of my group, we wiped you guys, I came to believe skill to RoS means numbers.

lol… I spend 90% of my time soloing the map… I am not the most skilled player by a long way but I hold my own.

I don’t think that XxX are with RoS anymore either

I am not saying VoTF were bad or did not contribute… both after they left and before they arrived we were dominating the tier… The loss of the bulk of VcY to another game is the no.1 reason for more balanced match up this time.

That and the contribution that Fury have made to GH and the better organisation of some of the other GH guilds like PRXM and MARA…

Steelo.4597:

Without Surmia’s VotF we have good matchups now between our 3 servers, looking forward to more of it. Dzag.. maybe if you played a bit smarter you would have a chance for 2nd.. On the other hand feel free to continue donating lootbags in front of Longview or whatever you chose as goal of the week :P

VoTF? are you joking? I think you mean without the bulk of VcY.

Anything is better than what we have… so hopefully this will mix things up a bit… I still think a one up, one down system would be easier but hey… let’s give this a shot first and see what happens… just need the lag/server crashes sorting… today has been horrendous… we are going to lose this week because we keep crashing.

what’s with all the wvw crashes? Are the other servers suffering too or is it just RoS?

lol… that is now the 2nd 1v1 I was having with a member of Fury before being interrupted by 5 more furries…

I thought you guys on GH wanted more 1v1 stuff? I even gave you the advantage of the supply camp guards.

oh and BNF guy… I am a mesmer not a thief

I am the sylvari… I don’t escape, I fight to the death regardless of the odds… which is why I choose outmanned borderlands (because I don’t need spend cash on repairs) and I like to mix my build up a bit for fun.

x Charlie.4820:

yroeht.5843:

drkn.3429:

Re: reset – it wasn’t the ‘entire server’s blob’:
http://imageshack.us/a/img842/890/gw065a.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img10/946/gw068e.jpg

And, as you can see on those screenshots, we were outmanned all evening :/

Maybe we should take off our guild tag when sticking to other commanders between guild raids, this “RiOT blob” talk is really annoying.

So? We’re outmanned at times too and your guys don’t split up. It happens to everyone, No point carrying on about it.

Not true… last night we realised our group was getting too big and Crad took half of the group to home bl to defend bay before taking them to eb to take SM… while sneezy stayed on dz bl to take garrison and bay.