Guild Wars 2

lol – I guess someone does listen… after months of speed boost not working with chaos storm… I go into wvw tonight and behold its finally fixed…. (unless it is just a random thing again). Veil appears to be fixed too.

I don’t mind looking the fool if it gets stuff done. Now to get chill fixed too… because chaos storm is supposed to apply chill too and I am not seeing it.

Rainbow Sprint.3215:

First of all, I sort of doubt it, as I find a few easy to find bugs with new gameplay additions that would be mesmer exclusive.

Second of all, the mesmer is far from underpowered. You must be doing it wrong.

There are a few classes now that I can hit with full berz… with my most powerful damage dealing skills and weapons… and I see the figures flying on the map of the damage I am supposedly doing… and I see absolutely no movement what-so-ever on my opponent’s health bar… not even a scratch.

Here is a very simple exercise to demonstrate how under powered mesmers really are… find two pieces of enemy siege – ask any other class in the game to attack one, while you attack the other… see how much longer it takes you to destroy your siege.

I am quite serious… most of the time I just work around my skills misfiring all the time or not even firing at all… lost count of the number of times I have to press magic bullet to get it to actually fire sometimes… then the other day I had it against my foes head and it missed… I was like wtf? I mean if my foe had been dodging or something then fair enough but they weren’t… I still got the eventual stomp… but I shouldn’t have to work around skill failures all the time…

Here are some obvious ones that are constantly complained about, and Anet constantly do nothing about…

Mirror Blade – takes 3/4 second to cast… many times it takes over 2 seconds. Skill claims to be unblockable but how many times do we see it blocked?

Phantasmal Berserker – takes 3/4 second to cast – not as problematic as Mirror Blade but sometimes take over a second to cast and often fails if you are jumping at the same time as casting

Illusionary Wave – supposed to take 1/2 second to cast – sometimes takes a second to cast. Does not always knock back the distance stated – seen a lot of foes manage to avoid being sent off a cliff edge despite being on the cliff edge – today I managed to knock a guardian over the cliff ledge only to see him instantly respawn next to me on top of the cliff – despite watching him fall to the bottom splat.

How many times do we see Illusionary leap fail to work… or the swap… despite blink actually working on the same terrain, illusionary leap will often fail if their is a slight bump or slope – it only works horizontal and has very little room for vertical unless facing slightly downwards. Recently… the swap over shoots where the illusion actually was… for example – my illusion can be in combat with my foe – I press swap and I over shoot my foe making my follow up Blurred Frenzy useless.

Magic Bullet – misfires so many times, I’ve lost count. It is supposed to take 1/2 second to cast but often can take over a second to actually cast. Daze and stun are supposed to last 2 seconds but which should be enough time to cast Phantasmal Duelist and do illusionary leap with 1/4 sec left to spare… but seriously how often does that happen?

Phantasmal Duelist supposed to take 1 second to cast as shown by the magic bullet above… often takes longer.

Signet of Domination – supposed to take 1/4 second to cast… try 3/4 second minimum.

Mantra of Distraction/Power Lock – supposed to daze for 1 second x2 – more like it dazes for 1/4 of second – acts more of skill disruptor than actual daze.

Veil creates invisibility – but how many times do you get all the other things it says it does?

Chaos Storm… how many of the added boons to allies do you get? I can’t remember the last time I got an added speed bonus from Chaos Storm.

And seriously… what is the point of Moa as an elite skill? Since they nerfed the skill it actually makes many of your foes more powerful and more difficult to kill provided they use the skills other than run away.

Ether Feast – supposed to get a minimum of 5,560 healing PLUS 640 per illusion… so why do I keep getting 2,330 healing regardless of how many illusions I have active?

I still win 80-90% of all my 1v1 fights… with warriors being the most difficult to kill and a certain ranger build that will remain unsaid that kills me the most – the majority of rangers are not a problem but there is one specific skill that causes me no end of problems. But sometimes it annoys me when I lose to inferior opposition not because of my skill but because my skill bar isn’t working properly.

fighting squishy foes is not the problem… eles, necros, rangers, thieves, engineers – all fine. But fighting warriors and guardians – waste of time on a mesmer these days… gone are the days when we could jump a lone warrior and expect to win – be lucky to do 30% damage now – provided you can get your skills to actually work… and yeh, we are being forced to use full berz or sin armor just to do that much damage.

Does anyone at Anet actually play a mesmer?

I ask because perhaps if they gave it a go they would realise how messed up this class actually is at the moment.

Sure you are going to get a load of upscales complaining about mesmers being op because they can’t beat them but the reality is… if you are losing to a mesmer then either the mesmer player is very skilled or you are just a poor player.

Most of the mesmer skills do not actually do what they say they are supposed to do. Most of the interrupt skills fire too slow and recharge too slow to what it actually says… for example – all mesmer interrupt skills are supposed to be faster than a warrior’s interrupt skills – but the reality is that you will always lose the speed game against a warrior when firing your skills. It is slowly getting to the stage where you might as well press a random button and hope for the best because you never know whether your skills are actually going to work let alone do what they’re supposed to do.

Which brings me to another point… mesmers might as well forget fighting level 80 warriors in wvw. You might as well just hit a reinforced door. The only damage you do is either a little bit of condition damage or when you shatter illusions – neither is going to do much damage against a skilled warrior. And that is of course if your skills actually work. The fail rate of mesmer skills is unacceptable and NOTHING has been done to fix this since the start of the game.

Mesmers have never received a buff of any type since the start of the game… they’ve just been nerfed. Skill balance between the classes in wvw is just messed up atm… but then we’ve come to expect that Anet drag their feet when it comes to fixing anything pvp related in the game – which is nuts because GW2 probably has the best pvp potential of any other MMORPG on the internet atm.

Any case… get some people together – get off your warriors, thieves, engineers and necros… and try playing some of the other classes – starting with mesmers… make a list of all the problems – all the skill failures… and go through every single skill and trait on the mesmer and fix it please. I think you are only ever going to realise how much work the mesmer needs if you go and play one for a while. Just making our skills work would be a big help.

It is fair enough making this more realistic but can we have more realistic castles too? After all if you are going to make it easier to attack… then you have to add some features to make it easier to defend…

so let’s have the following real life examples…

1) arrow slits that are incredibly difficult to hit by the defender but easy for the defender to fire out of

2) double gates with oil that can be poured between outer and inner gate that can’t be attacked on all gates

3) a t3 upgrade of portcullis which basically negates normal rams

4) only one gate into the keep

5) a moat around each castle with draw up bridges

6) hidden passages which would need to change regularly in order for them to remain hidden (perhaps allow the team in question to choose where these are located as an upgrade… or a secret passage from a supply camp into the keep that can only be used by the team currently owning the keep.

7) an alley (can be differing lengths) but something like the south west gate of garrison at each outer gate that can focus attack of the defenders.

All features from real life castles.

I mesmer roam in wvw quite a bit… it takes a little time to find a build that you are comfortable using – sometimes the most convenient build is not the most fun to play build.

It all comes down to individual skill… plus in wvw, you have a lot more opportunity to sneak up on people unawares and basically gank them.

I very rarely use buffs… I find that 8/10 times I able to beat my opponent without them. It is only when I meet someone who is buffed to hell that beats me in a fair 1v1 that I will buff myself up for the rematch. That and when I am running with the zerg and the commander puts food down. But this is just me personally… I find it more challenging and more fun to beat people without buffs.

As for spvp… I don’t play it very often but when I do, I seem to have very few problems… it tends to be just when there are 3 of them against me that I run into any major difficulty. Of course you sometimes get stomped by a single skilled player… but that happens… there is always someone somewhere who is better than you. The main thing is having fun.

oh and on the traits… Mirror of Anguish often does not work

not managed to glitch through any gate in wvw as a mesmer… but on the topic of mesmers… a LOT of skills need fixing.

Mind wrack – 5 out of 10 times the clones will just explode where they are without causing any damage to enemy.

Spatial surge – damage seems to be random regardless of how far away you are from foe – often impossible to hit targets on wall

Mirror Blade and Phantasmal Berserker – often misfire and don’t spawn

Illusionary wave – difficult to tell what the stability is on the foes but it feels like this skill does not push back ALL foes but only some foes.

Chaos storm does not grant speed like the description states

Illusionary leap misfires a LOT… just the slightest bump in the ground and this fails

Similarly using swap sometimes over shoots the foe and fails to bind them

Blurred frenzy does not always make you evade attacks – been hit a few times now by thieves while using this skill.

Phantasmal Duelist misfires a lot and fails to spawn.

Magic bullet can sometimes miss even at point blank range with the pistol up against the forehead of the foe.

Ether Feast – sometimes only heals for half the said amount (2,280 instead of 5,560) and it seems to be completely random how much health you get regardless of active illusions

Null field sometimes fails to strip boons or cure conditions

Never seen illusion of life work yet

Casting time of signet of domination never works as said on the skill

Signet of inspiration rarely transfers all boons to allies

If the person you change keeps their wits… polymorph Moa actually boosts the foe you are attacking rather than weakens them

The casting time of all of these skills is wrong and takes longer than it says

Plus the damage out put for the mesmer is feeble… and I often have to rely on conditions to make any impact on some classes

I play a mesmer and roam quite a bit… but the build I use is not very fast at running so it is usually better to just suicide if caught out by a large group. Once I was near the enemy held Dawn’s tower, when a zerg appeared catching me out… so I had a bit of speed boost so used it to run towards the cliff with about 6 enemies leaving the main zerg to pursue me… when I got to the cliff, I cloaked and dodged backwards, then used my great sword skill – illusionary wave to push them over the top of the cliff collecting 5 bags before the rest of the zerg and the one guy who had stability steamrolled me.

it largely depends how skilled you are as a player… are you the sort of person who can avoid being a rally bot or are you the kind of person who likes to charge into the action?

As a rule, it is usually best to use high damage armor for solo/small group roaming – capping camps, 1v1, small skirmishes, taking out dolly etc. And to use something with a bit more toughness for zerg fighting.

thieves are easy if you can hit them with some stuns… that’s the tricky bit, hitting them with stun before they can re-cloak. The biggest problem I have at the moment is with guardians and warriors – the damage I do is like trying to solo a gate… as a mesmer the only real damage I can do on them is condition damage.

the only real problem I have with rangers is underwater… they are impossible to kill because you get them to down state and their pet heals them at the same rate as you can do damage to them. BUT… this problem is really about the lack of damage that mesmers do.

@cyyrix… best way to kill a thief 1v1 is to use mass invisibility to make sure you have phantasmal berseker, mirror blade, and phantasmal duelist on the go – then magic bullet, illusionary leap, blurred frenzy, signet of domination… and 9/10 thieves will be down – mind wrack will finish things off nicely and you can cloak back… the hardest part is making sure that magic bullet hits and that no bumps in the ground prevent illusionary leap. But you still have decoy to use if need be and blurred frenzy recharged to help counter any counter attacks if the combo fails.

mesmers are not difficult to fight against since they changed the targeting system so that a sole person can target them… to say they are op is absolute nonsense… since the game started mesmers have either been nerfed or ignored by Anet (I challenge anyone to name a buff)… they actually need a lot of skills fixing. Many skills will not work on an uneven surface – I am not talking about hills but little bumps in the ground. The recharge time on some skills is ridiculously high and there are times when you are left completely defenseless with nothing left to use – You basically get to use your skill bar twice against a foe and if it does not bring it down then you are sitting dead in the water unless you run away and give the foe time to heal again – this used to be fine but now only works against light armor types – I can hit a guardian or warrior with everything I have and barely put a dent in their health bar.

The thing to watch out for is fighting a mesmer who is with someone else… people focus on the mesmer because of the clones but this leaves them open for attack from the other class. There is a mesmer and ranger on viz who cap camps alot – everytime it is the ranger that kills me not the mesmer.

Every class in the game has been buffed but the mesmer… It used to be that under water the only class that stood a chance against a mesmer was a ranger… now even a thief can beat a mesmer under water if they know what they are doing.
There is not a lot of aoe damage and there is not a lot of damage at all… try running a mesmer in a pve farming train and you will soon see that you get only half the amount of loot that other classes get. I can hit an ele underwater with my spear and once upon a time that did insane damage… now it is like taking a toothpick to a suit of armour. Plus conditions on the mesmer got nerfed to hell in wvw. And somehow I missed the alert about it but healing got nerfed (or fixed – not sure which tbh)… but I get a lot less healing now than I used to and I can’t remember if it was always reliant on clones present.

If you can’t defeat a mesmer then it is not because the mesmer is op… it is because you are not very good at playing pvp or the mesmer player is particularly skilled – in all honesty there are only a few of us mesmers who are particularly good at 1v1 fights and we all use different styles from each other. I rely very little on clones but go for ‘high’ (high for a mesmer) damage with stuns; another skilled mesmer that I know uses cloaking very effectively.

Oh… and did I mention that there are an awful lot of skills that do not work against certain classes – aka a lot of classes (and foes in pve) have immunity against many mesmer skills. Plus not all the traits work as they are supposed to.

The mesmer needs an overhaul – it needs buffing or at the very least it needs the current skills fixed so that they do what they say they do and work on bumpy ground. I don’t know about other mesmers but my bane is grasping vines… especially if my sword skills are misfiring because of bumpy ground.

It is not that mesmers have been nerfed… they’ve been ignored

maybe I should be a little more specific… I am increasingly finding that

blurred frenzy has no effect against rangers, warriors, guardians, and elementalists even if using full berz gear which is only when I am camp capping.

illusionary leap fails about 60% of the time because of a slight bump in the ground

phantasmal duelist is increasingly difficult to get off the 1 second cast time for 50% of the time is more like 3 seconds

Magic bullet and signet of domination does not work on elementalists, warriors, and guardians – and sometimes rangers too.

Chaos Storm – aegis, retaliation, and chilled almost never works while swiftness NEVER works

Underwater – the problem is not so much the mesmer skills but that other classes now have better skills – I only play mesmer so not sure what the name of those skills are but elementalists now seem to have the equivalent of Vortex. I always had good fights against rangers under water but now I find that it is difficult to impossible to now kill warriors, elementalists, rangers, guardians, and engineers underwater. Before I was undefeatable under water – I spent a lot of time there but since they changed the borderland map to remove most of the water, I have found that other classes are now a lot more powerful underwater to the degree that I am now lucky to win a fight there and have had to change my tactics to running away.

Plus I agree with others that the recharges are too long… after a short while of fighting I am left with almost nothing and by the time my skills recharge the opponent has healed to full health again. If I am just coming out of a fight with anything, I am extremely vulnerable – most of my deaths are because someone has jumped me after I’ve just killed something.

Wand and focus is more or less useless.

Am I the only one finding that other classes have been buffed that much that most of my skill bar is now useless?

Before I was unbeatable underwater and now I find myself struggling against just about every single class and on dry land is starting to become not much better. It was bad enough that a lot of my skills did not work on a slight bump on the map but now I am increasingly finding my opponents are either immune to my skills or my most powerful skills are doing almost no damage.

It is not that my skills have been nerfed… the problem is that all other classes have been buffed to such a degree that mesmers have been left behind and are now at risk of being unbalanced on the losing side.

I don’t want to be 100% unbeatable but I would like more of my skill bar to actually work and do damage.

Moira Dryade.6498:

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

If you can’t play the game without hacks then don’t play at all… just demonstrates how noob you really are when I kill you.

Oh lord I could say the same to so many SFR-players*…
And thats the reason why I don’t play against you anymore. It’s no fun to play against cheaters and if you show the proofs you’ll get slaped by ANet. They don’t care about how broken their game actually is so cheaters don’t care as well.
Just another “PvP”-mode ruined by ANet. Surprise!? No since it’s the 5th or 6th.

*everybody knows how SFR climbs up the ladder. shame on you!

pity we can’t see character names… because most in SFR including myself would report anyone we spot using hacks regardless of which side they are on and especially if they are on SFR.

Anet needs to sort this out…

Mesmer in XIII on ER server – you are a cheat and using that hack that allows people to jump further and higher than you are able to. Last night I faced a thief with from ER (not the same guild) that was using the same hack.

If you can’t play the game without hacks then don’t play at all… just demonstrates how noob you really are when I kill you.

AWFUL idea… just AWFUL!!!!

Dreamed up by a pve player…

If you want to reduce ques in wvw then you work on making the other pvp content more attractive… for example strict 1v1 arenas… gvg arenas with different number sets 50v50, 40v40, 30v30, 25v25, 20v20, 15v15, 10v10, 8v8.

other ideas include increasing server size and introducing new maps to wvw… it would be fun to have an underwater map in wvw… or even a sky map where castles are replaced with air ships… but this would have a negative impact on low populated servers as it would increase the number of objectives that are needed to be defended.

But to replace pvp content with dungeons… urghh… can’t think of anything worse (oh wait jumping puzzles inside wvw).

I actually quite like the way my character holds her great sword… especially if I am moving backwards. I wouldn’t like to see it changed.

The only weapon thing I find a problem with is the torch on a mesmer… it illuminates the area but one of the key skills is invisibility… kind of defeats the point imho.

add mountain climbing… if you reach a peak… you can plant a flag on it and gain a bonus… climb x amount of peaks and gain a title.

Strict 1v1 pvp fight rings (like the ones in the current story event for fighting bosses – but perhaps some different environments like platforms and underwater) – which leads to a table of player ranks and a set of differing emotes for reaching number of kills milestones.

Vadainiel… its not silly at all it is a fair point… actually a feminist point too. Titles are created to suggest positions of power… if you then distinguish between male and female titles then you are making gender part of the power equation… why is it necessary to know one’s sex in order to hold that position of power? Surely, genderising a word is more sexist?

Any case, this is just a game… you can read all about this other stuff in books.

All that said… adding the title empress for female characters instead of emperor would appease the majority of players and is probably a better idea than explaining the power relations connected with genderised titles for positions of power to a largely uninterested player base.

Would it be possible to remove the red titles above our heads in wvw so that you have to target people the same way that you have to target npc in wvw. It would make it much more challenging and skill related to do so and would actually make armor dye something a bit more strategic than looking pretty.

The CTRL thief who I was fighting outside of garri tonight… you won 4-1 I think… although some warrior stole my finish I had you down before he came. But then on the third fight someone from deso interfered taking me down – although you would’ve won that one either way because my skills were all on recharge.

Very nice fighting you. I think it is the first time I have had any competition 1v1 from deso since coming back to SFR. Later you were fighting with a mesmer and another CTRL thief who were nowhere near your skill level.

Thank you for the fights… really appreciate it. If we meet again… we should take it behind the windmill to keep it strictly 1v1

Can we have a proper 1v1 area in pvp… this solo chart thing is a load of nonsense. It is just random arena from gw1 in nice new settings. It should be called the random table not the solo table.

It would be nice to have a proper 1v1 setting… no capping stuff… just two people fight to the death… different environments is fine… make it a bit of fun to have places to dodge behind etc.

OR… basically… something similar to the boss ring fighting in the current Queen event. But instead of fighting bosses… you fight other players in the ring.

Benjamin.7893:

Its actually quite amusing but it just proves what everyone knows… you are not very skilled individually.

https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/eu/soloarena

lol… that’s not proper 1v1… half the people who score highest there are the ones who avoid fights and cap in groups. A bit like deso really.

Here is a serious question to deso and viz players… when you are fighting a single player either 1v1 or even 3 of you vs me… why do you run away half way through the battle then come back with a small zerg?

Its actually quite amusing but it just proves what everyone knows… you are not very skilled individually.

Had some very nice fights this week with both FS and FR… thank you for the sport… being dieing to play against FS for some time now seeing how I was once in eMoa.

I only have 2 complaints all week… 1) directed mostly at FR… but also a couple of [lion] people I’ve met too… when you fight me 1v1 or 2v1 or 3v1 or even 5v1… and I down you or have you to within one hit of going down… don’t run away and deprive me of a loot bag… I don’t do it… I am happy to go down and give my opponent some loot for the nice fight… gave lion lots of loot bags this week, but they could’ve done the same a couple of times too.

2) directed at both FS and FR… join me in the water some time… its really nice to go for a swim

All in all, I have really enjoyed this match up… its lived up to my expectations and its going to be a really close finish. Had some really great skirmishes… won some, lost some, had fun.

Iavra.8510:

Cheers to the TaG mesmer and guildless guardian i just fought on south camp RoS border. Sadly the TaG warrior who showed up afterwards delayed me just long enough for the RoS zerg to appear ^^ (They didn’t catch me but i couldn’t get the hard earned cap either…)

Really annoying when that happens… glad to see that is not just RoF and Dz doing it to me but my server is doing it too… revenge… muahaha

pejot.4806:

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

LMAO… I have not seen more than 10 RiOT in wvw at the same time all week… wish they would tell me when they are going to ‘blob’. Most of the time we are running solo, duel, or in groups of 5.

Bratwa.6582:

Complain alot list for each thread:

Arrowcarts: Check
Doubleteaming: Check
Nightcapping: Check
Golems (new! buy buy buy): Check

What is missing:
Blobbing
over use of quaggan tonics
Perma stealhed thieves most of the enemy roamers
both enemy servers inferior in 1vs1
did i miss something?

I am pretty sure it wasn’t meant serious but as a response to this post

ah np…

pcpsong.3850:

The whole point of the mesmer class is that you’re not meant to easily be able to tell which one is which.

As part of our Help in the Community program we will offer these sage words of advice, the character who dodge rolls and/or moves unlike a clone is the mesmer.

This informative message was bought to you by the Velocity Corporation.

Song
Director of Communications
The Velocity Corporation

lol… I am so going to your website to fill in the complaint form #3475417&d13 against patronising allies on official forums

chaos armor is a bigger tell… and credit to the dz mesmer that was his only tell… he chose to go invisible and a good use of clones rather than dodge. I am pretty sure it was the same mesmer I faced yesterday so kind of knew the way they fought.

L Step.8659:

VcY and RiOT are blobbing too much. So is blobbazor. Moar quaggans are needed everywhere. OMFG what is with all these noob thieves one hitting me fight fair noobs. RoF has some of the worst 1v1ers I’ve ever seen as well.

This is a joke post. I feel like this dsclaimer is needed for some people I see in this thread.

LMAO… I have not seen more than 10 RiOT in wvw at the same time all week… wish they would tell me when they are going to ‘blob’. Most of the time we are running solo, duel, or in groups of 5.

But… if we are going to start name calling like that… please cap your own supply camps instead of letting me take out all the npc on my own, before ganking me with 4+ players. Jeez… been getting really sick of that happening this week…. if you have 4 players… don’t just wait for me to finish… you should be able to take me out and the npc… especially as it is obvious I am not spotting you while engaged in combat. Just waiting for me to finish is a waste of everybody’s time.

sorry to the Dz mesmer who wanted to 1v1 me at their camp on RoF bl… I couldn’t get a party and wasn’t going to 1v1 a clone shattering build without being in a party to allow me to place a target (I am not that much of a noob)… and knowing my luck you would attack me in the middle of changing my build around. I tried to take it under water where we would have been evenly placed but you seemed not to like water – even after most of my skills were on recharge after killing the RoF party crasher.
So I used the camp npcs to defeat you. Still you were buffed to hell with food etc. and I was not prepared to buff up when I was about to log off for work.

Good fighting with you though… not sure but I think you are probably the same mesmer who beat me behind the windmill yesterday… once again I couldn’t get a party so was not able to target you (anet need to fix that)…

good luck and sorry for using the npc like that… I was not going to defeat you 1v1 on land without a party. Next time engage me underwater though… it will be fun

Hey… nice to see UW again… some great fights last time… hopefully the same again this time.

RoS

1. Far Shiverpeaks
2. either UW or Dz – both provided good fights last time

Let me add to Sceinna’s post – he ended up on Vabbi after getting drunk and transferring (I assume by accident but he can fill in the details). He was accused often of being a spy who was there to inform your movements – nothing could be further from the truth. He was actually spying for you – often using our guild chat to outmaneuver us.

I was trying to ninja Vabbi bl bay yesterday and had the gate below 50% – if Sceinna had not told your map commander what I was doing then we would have been inside Bay within a couple of minutes. Instead you were able to come to his call and wipe me out (you still owe me a sup. catapult for that Sceinna).

He also soloed 5 forts for you yesterday and attacked Hills several times this week. He has been working very hard for Vabbi and has been a constant thorn in our side. At no time has he spied on behalf of RoS… either for game play or for scouting guilds to come and join RoS. He has just been doing what he always does – being a very effective thief.

lol – Mor, you should have… would’ve been fun to see

except for those who have jumped around servers quite a bit, server loyalty is always quite strong.
Despite jumping around a few different servers… WSR, FS, SFR, IoJ, NS and now RoS… I did have quite a bit of loyalty towards SFR and it was only because my loyalty to the guild was stronger that I left. So I fully understand where Vabbi and FoW players are coming from and I think we can all respect their choice and dedication.

Perhaps we don’t quite understand why people would put server loyalty above personal game experience and perhaps the loyalty is to the guild rather than the server (in which case just discuss as a guild) but I think that all those on RoS who stayed to fight can express their admiration to Vabbi and FoW players for their commitment and effort.

I confess after start up night, I spent 19 gold upgrading everything on Vabbi bl thinking it would be a safe investment for the week… Within hours of logging off everything was lost at least once and it was an expensive lesson well learned. Good job Vabbi!!!!

I have not had much chance to fight against FoW because I have been enjoying the fights against Vabbi. I was part of the three people on eb on early sunday morning that destroyed the FoW omega golems but only after they had managed to take back their corner of the map. But apart from that and the odd camp capper I encountered, most of my fights have been with Vabbi and LNA has stood out the best of those, WvW have given some good fights but some awful ones too. The rest have been a mixed bag of good and bad. I was caught out a few times while soloing but its been quite enjoyable.

I am still a little annoyed that I did not realise that you had ninja’d garrison yesterday, if I had not moved then you would have gone right by me… instead you learned my new mesmer hiding spot… I was engrossed in calculating how much our guild needed to raise each month to keep its private spvp arena going indefinite. However, I particularly liked when you were chasing me near the tower and I took you to the edge of the cliff, decoy’d back and let you pass me then pushed you over the top. Wish I had filmed that. Made me feel happy after my error in garrison.

YuGiOh.4906:

I’ve had serveral people from RoS try and recruit me into joining infact it was RiOT’s GL, why would I leave something that I worked so hard to build?, my WvW based guild in Vabbi. The players that are loyal to vabbi and fissure of woe will stay.

I can’t speak for Keith because I was not privy to the conversation but I don’t think he was asking just you to leave but to bring your guild with you to RoS so that you can enjoy an environment with more activity and better coverage.

Anyone who is slagging off FoW and Vabbi are obviously not playing this week because those of us who stayed to fight have a lot of respect for both servers and their people. Sometimes there is great skill, sometimes there is awful skill but at all times there is respect that you keep battling against the odds where many others would have quit. If we are able to ask you to join RoS it is because of that respect that we want to show our appreciation… we want to fight with you instead of against you. We wouldn’t ask someone we did not respect to join us would we?

Vabbi and FoW are like every other server in the game… there are some really good players and guilds and some very poor. I think it is safe to say that the two server’s biggest problem is numbers and I honestly feel sorry and great respect for those who fight against the odds.

I fully understand the server pride thing and being the underdog… but some guilds I see all the time in wvw and it does make me question why you would not want to move up a couple ranks to a more active server… I am not talking about all the blobs and skill lag of tier 1 and 2 but ourselves, GH, even RoF might offer a better playing environment for wvw.

But absolute respect from me and RiOT for the sterling effort these people whether skilled or not put into the defense of their server both in game and on the forums. WELL DONE!!!!

On a more personal note… I would really like to heap a lot of praise on LNA… they have defended towers and garrison like Vizunah siege pros. Last night we had a stalemate battle with a thief from the guild who was sterling… I could have changed my build and weapons to win but that was not the point… I had a great cat and mouse battle for a good 30 minutes and the player showed really good skill. I bow again for the great battle. Would be a pleasure to fight along side your guild instead of against it in the future but I respect your dedication to Vabbi… a credit to your server.

I am not sure if this is a bug or not but many of the mesmer skills will not work properly if you are fighting on a slope or small hill/bump.

I am not discussing being on battlements or considerably up high… but on slight slopes or small bumps in the ground. In terms of skills, I am mainly discussing the sword and pistol skills (mostly the sword skill – swap). The recharge will often happen but the actual skill will not fire. Many of the problems occurred after the adjustment for line of sight… I am not discussing being out of line of sight but often very close to the opponent (as sword and pistol combo tends to bring you). It is perhaps a line of sight issue that is causing the misfiring because the opponent is lower or higher than yourself.

There is also considerable difference between the activation time stated and the actual time it takes to activate the skill (especially magic bullet and illusionary wave particularly badly affected). This is not just about skill lag either.

VcY are not as big as they once were… many of them left GW2 after the ac changes. If you met 10 VcY in WvW then you were probably fighting most of their active WvW team at that time.

Don’t confuse the skill of VcY’s remaining members with numbers… if they beat you, then it was because they were better than you.

It is like RiOT… we have about 150 members in the guild but we average 20 people online at any one time and 50% of those will be pve players. At events, we will average 40+ online but once again half of those will not be in wvw. We are a PvX guild not a WvW guild… what we do have though, is very good coverage. We average 20 people online all the time regardless of time of day and we almost always have at least 5 people in wvw at all times.

Jimmy JimBob.2801:

Was an amazing push from us last night. RoS bl was heavily fortified with a large number of defenders but we got there in the end. Lot’s of fun from our point of view, and I’m sure RoS enjoyed wiping us inside Bay and Hills before we could eventually cap them.

Logged off at about 1.30 after the satisfying experience of getting RoS ticking zero, despite the last 50 ppt or so being PvD. We were <1k behind at that point but alas woke up to find Millers EB lot had decided we weren’t allowed 2nd place

No matter we did ourselves proud and RoS put up a great fight this week capitalising fully on our weaknesses so well deserved 2nd place.
Grats on Millers too for the inevitable stroll to victory.

Who knows, next time we face RoS we may get favourable 3rd server who’ll let us give you guys a real run for your money

In all fairness… MS attacked GH bl last night after we had turned it all blue because everything had paper doors. They took the bl from RoS not GH. They took RoS bl hills just before the upgrade came to an end but ignored the rest of the bl because everything had reached t2.

Steelo.4597:

this week amazingly has 3 losers

MS lost the most ranking.
Surmia gain less ranking then Gunnars.
Gunnars didnt come 2nd.

we all kitten ed now! but well those screenshots tell the story of the matchup – see us ticking at 430 holding MS back with our left hand while mashing Surmia with our right and. Stikkos screen: Feeding MS by doubleteaming on GH Story of the matchup since monday. Nymph: If you dont want us to focus each other – show it to us. We have seen nice pushes from Surmia onto MS – but only after they were ticking higher then us after focusing on us for 3 days. I think to end the rivalry we need a bit more then that :P Since we come out on top at reset because we have huge numbers (i think we even beat millers on reset?) you need to drop that 2nd place ambition in favour of getting rating or it will end up like this every time because you focus us to get back 2nd during our weak hours and onto primetime from there (and we react to that by focusing on surmia of course!). i dont want to propose beating MS to crap with an alliance, but simply stop focusing each other in favour of equal ticks to all 3 would have probably put both of our servers in front of underworld, or at least Surmian Server, Gunnars need a bit too much ranking i think. So it was a really easy week and still MS lose ranking, i think this week could have turned out very very different if not for our beloved rivalry. Also, Stonemist.

It has nothing to do with wanting to come 2nd… we focus each other because we hate each other… it is that simple.

I hold my hands up and admit it… I have walked right past MS small groups and individuals on my way to target the sole red camp on MS bl. … when we were fighting UW and FR… I never would have done that.

I have attacked MS but only after making sure GH were out of the picture first. My priority has been GH all week. Regulars to this forum will know exactly why we have this intense rivalry (largely in part to my forum warrior posts).

Plus, do not for one second think that the reverse has not been true… GH have specifically targeted RoS since the reset. We are the lower, low populated tier equivalent of the SFR vs VS rivalry (except that GH actually have a lot more skill than VS). We are both guilty as charged of purposely targeting each other.

However, what we need to do is turn our blatant hatred of each other into a more productive sibling rivalry. Siblings fight each other like cat and dog but when a bigger bully comes from outside, they unite to defeat them. But once, the bully has been put down they turn back to their fierce rivalry.

I am quite happy to keep targeting GH each time we find ourselves together in a match up. But it might be more productive for both servers and offer more sport for the bigger server if we at least spend a bit of time double tagging the larger server instead of 80-100% against each other.

I mean no offense to MS here… we have both attacked MS at times but only after we have come close to or completely wiped each other. I think MS have the intelligence to realise they have had it pretty easy in this match up partially because of the GH vs RoS intense rivalry.

you know if we ever find ourselves in this kind of match up again… we should call a truce on our own rivalry and join forces against the superior numbered server (aka Miller).

They are after all only in the lead because of numbers and the fact that we (RoS) and you (GH) have been focusing each other all week.

Just wanted to share with GH after your server event with the omegas…

Kyven.7514:

Welcome back, RoS, hopefully we can kick your bums again.

MS: Not played you myself, I’m still new to WvW, but looking forward to it.

the only place you kick our bums is on the forums and in your dreams… Notice that we did not get steam rolled by UW and FR… came 2nd and would have won if not for a huge push by UW this morning.

With regards to the wedding… we at RiOT believe that one needs to do the right thing… so we had an arrowcart at Crad’s back just in case he tried to back out.

I am sure that this is something that the VcY legal department can appreciate.

We can argue about which guild the little Jr. Crads will join in 9 months time.