Guild Wars 2

Well, you can man siege while eating pizza rolls in your underwear and you zergsurf while eating pizza rolls in your underwear but you can’t win a 5v5 against good players eating pizza rolls in your underwear unless they are also eating pizza rolls in their underwear.

Which has been known to happen.

saiyr.3071:

Oozo.7856:

There weren’t very many good players in that matchup. Things were better in T5 and they are certainly better in T7. Sometimes you get matched up against dud servers with respect to finding good roamers. To take your experiences from one week and extrapolate that to conclude that all players from lower tiers are bad isn’t very smart.

We ran across plenty of bad players on Maguuma but we never extrapolated that to conclude that all players from Maguuma were bad. In fact, the rank and file PUG group on Maguuma was much much better than what Kaineng had but they made it to a higher tier than Maguuma. How do you explain that?

Oh yes, that’s right… general player skill has little to do with what tier you are playing in. It’s about numbers and coverage.

BTW, just earlier today I saw a ranger movie where on his first day of hitting L80 he was 1v3ing three people from War Machine in T1.

Tsarazi has been in more tiers than that, FWIW, but I dunno how they were back then. I don’t think the point is that higher tier = higher skill as much as lower tier doesn’t imply higher skill, which I feel like the other guy is trying to say (60 mans mashing 1/2 posts, etc). Assuming he can just beat every guild in T3 knowing little more than their names is embarrassing

Yes, Tsarazi also has some movies of beating a small guild group from SBI and some clips against CD, I believe. But, those are higher tier. How did that happen? Some servers have better roamers than others and that has to do more with what guilds are on that server than what tier that server is in.

What tier you are in is irrelevant to individual player skill whether it be high, mid, or low tier. Just like not everyone in upper tiers runs around in huge zergs and not everyone in lower tiers is running in small groups.

I think the problem that some in lower tiers had with this post is him saying the real “hardcore” players should be in the upper tiers doing 60v60. To me a hardcore player is someone who puts their reputation and name on the line by running in a small group fighting other small groups. That is my definition of hardcore when it comes to this game.

Running inside the anonymity of a huge zerg is not hardcore. Just the way I see it.

zastari.1730:

Jscull.2514:

Sayit, if running with 5 guys every night and kiting Zergs around is what you call fun, then youre right, this game is perfect for you. We like playing players as good if not better than us. Not ONLY being able to push the envelope due to a ridiculous discrepancy in numbers.

Yet you’re playing in tiers where the average player can barely kill a mob let alone another player. I got tired of so many battles that went like the link below that I had to transfer back to T3 because T6 was just stupidly poor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SdZY8RlFMA

There weren’t very many good players in that matchup. Things were better in T5 and they are certainly better in T7. Sometimes you get matched up against dud servers with respect to finding good roamers. To take your experiences from one week and extrapolate that to conclude that all players from lower tiers are bad isn’t very smart.

We ran across plenty of bad players on Maguuma but we never extrapolated that to conclude that all players from Maguuma were bad. In fact, the rank and file PUG group on Maguuma was much much better than what Kaineng had but they made it to a higher tier than Maguuma. How do you explain that?

Oh yes, that’s right… general player skill has little to do with what tier you are playing in. It’s about numbers and coverage.

BTW, just earlier today I saw a ranger movie where on his first day of hitting L80 he was 1v3ing three people from War Machine in T1.

saiyr.3071:

It costs more to transfer one group people from all of our guilds than for you to transfer yours, so it’s more logical for you to come up to T3 to test your mettle. And since you can make the gold in a week, you can’t use that as an excuse, right? Besides, AoN can handle the higher tier zerg levels, why can’t you?

It’s probably lost in all of the clutter, but they aren’t interested in fighting zergs they want to fight other 5 man groups. Also, the main difference between the tiers is that there aren’t zergs in every map but you always be able to find a zerg in at least one of the maps in the lower tiers. There are still 40-50 man zergs in T7. But, fighting zergs isn’t what they are looking for.

pixieish.9627:

And now, for your viewing pleasure, I’ve decided to polish someone’s otherwise unseemly post.

SirVerminofWaterside

To my loathed opponent Lord Oozo, I wish to heartily exclaim my sarcastic surprise, and I feign to suggest that your word have wounded me.
Have you the capacity with with to verbally duel with me without resorting to underhanded measures which clearly display your obvious lack of upbringing? What rot!
To think that just recently I was under the impression that you should be labelled a sufficient member of a knightly order who would duel within certain areas set aside for social activities!
Insults are usually employed by those who do not have anything substantial to add to the argument, you snivelling, twitchy nosed, grub eating, prancing dandy of a weasel wearing poopy pants!
Is your only strategy that of "Diutissime Tempus Contendunt Animo? Vos titillent femore meo, Lord Oozo! I should bid you good day, yet the day is young, and I am certain to continue.

Your attempts to diffuse this situation with humor will fail and the outcome will almost certainly involve fisticuffs.

Jscull.2514:

Lol in game gold can be made in a week. Weak excuse buddy. Unless you were a Daoc real 8 manner , actually xfer an fight daily with the same guys, focus on group makeup and player builds, then I don’t believe your anywhere close to our level.

He is actually a pretty good player.

Server pride means a lot in the upper tiers. That is why you see so many mass guild transfers from one server to another when whatever server they moved from stalls in its progress.

Besetment.9187:

If you haven’t tried it before Oozo, you should try running a 50 man. At times it can melt your brain at the number of things you need to keep track of. It involves alot of autorunning and flicking between map, screen, your own team (to spot bad behaviour from becoming bad habit) at the same time that people are screaming incomprehensible words about a zerg incoming from…somewhere. You need a alot of voice channel discipline and a chat relay or the system breaks down very easily.

I don’t mind leading 5, but I really dislike leading even 10-15. I’d never want to lead 20, 30, 40, 50, or whatever. I would refuse to do it.

Leading that many people definitely requires a specific skillset. Clear commands, charisma, map management, keeping track of enemy movements, enstilling confidence, keeping morale high, etc etc are all important. However, none of the skills necessary to lead effectively are skills specific to GW2. They are skills which are applicable to literally every aspect of life itself.

One could argue that a group of 50 is only as strong as it’s leader. But, if that is the case, where does that leave the other 49 people if the leader is removed?

Good leaders are to be commended, but if someone asks me if a person is skilled at GW2 I don’t ask myself “Well, I wonder how good he would be at leading 50 people?”

CHIPS.6018:

Gab Superstar.4059:

CHIPS.6018:

Jscull.2514:

CHIPS.6018:

Jscull.2514:

What’s great about all you 10+ runners all say the same things about “havoc groups” in higher tiers, that their use is “cutting supplies, killing dolyaks, cutting off back lines”…. How come none of you understand when our 5 guys leave the spawn 100% of our goal is to only kill red? It’s so hard for you Zergers to realize points D O N O T MA T T E R and we simply play to kill people? And when a group of 8-20 dies to 5 guys is a joke and shouldn’t happen but happens everyday?

And then you come on the forums and tell us how awesome your 20 man guild groups are when the truth is if you ran less you’d fall into the “joke category” otherwise you would run less….

Now I am confused. If your server’s scores doesn’t matter to you at all, where is the source of your server loyalty? Where is your source of server pride? Why stay? Is lag the only reason then? So if one day Anet changes to new servers and removes all lags, you are gone?

Yes! Prime example exhibit A. CHIPs thanks for proving my points. YOU don’t understand we play this for rvr, player vs player. Real 5 mans (dedicated focus firing guilds) don’t play this for their server or the pointless pointless “Anet point system”….

Look at my signature. Clearly we give two kittens about the server were on. It’s who is our opponents that’s the real concern because they are the ones bringing/or not bringing the Quality of fighting to the table. I never wrote one thing about lag hoss. Thanks for being part of the 95% of gw2 population which has never experienced elitest hardcore fighting and then writing in a thread about hardcore wvwers lol.

In that case your aim is a fight club. WvW aren’t really your thing. As such, you are not actually a target audience of this thread.

Some people enjoy seeing what they personally contribute to a fight. In a 5v5 I know exactly what I did well that allowed us to win, or what I did poorly that made us lose.

When you are running with 30 people though, how do you really tell? If you replaced one of those 30 with an uplevel, would you instantly do poorly? Would the same be true in a 5v5?

Yes, different types of fights appeal to different people. Also, your assessment that WvW is not really the thing for small scale roamers isn’t quite correct. You can enjoy the thrill of a larger map that is more oriented towards PvP rather than a smaller map that is oriented towards sitting in a circle. If you enter sPvP you are forced to actually sit in circles, whereas in WvW you are free to do whatever you want.

Hope this clears some things up.

Its just different.

In 5v5, you say things like “My water made a huge difference.” or “My Hundred Blades made a huge difference.”

In 60v60, you say things like “That stacked healing really saved our whole zerg there.” and “That guy who called out that ambush on Teamspeak really saved everyone.”

As for the 2nd point, I think WvW is about server points, holding keeps and towers, zerg fights, etc. Jscull said that he doesn’t care about server points, doesn’t care about holding keeps and towers, and doesn’t care about zerg fights. So I don’t think he is actually a WvWers. I will say he is doing a fight club inside the map of WvW. It might be fun for him and many others. But it aren’t WvW anymore.

Yeah, I mean… you never have to call out flanks or ambushes in the lower tiers. Ever.

It’s amazing how those blast finishers that effect a max of 5 people can save 60 people. It would be more accurate to say something like, “man stacking all 60 of us on top of each other to spread out and mitigate that AoE damage really saved us!”

Xirin.8593:

Oozo.7856:

So, there are basically four playstyles at the moment (the numbers are just rough guidelines).
…

This is by far the most accurate assessment of the WvW population I have seen. Excellent post.

Well, it’s still biased by my own playstyle. I’m sure the organized guilds that run 20-30 wouldn’t want to be lumped in with category 4. However, I’ve watched a lot of their movies and I see quite a lot of mouse-clicking and not utilizing all of their abilities. If they went into a 5v5 against good players doing that they would get destroyed.

That’s not to say that there aren’t individually skilled players that run in guild groups that size, but I’m getting the sense that it’s rare.

Now of course, Os would focus on GoM no matter who is winning, but that is only because they have a HUGE crush on us. We love you too Os.

A large group of Os (maybe 30-40) got killed at ruins last night in DR BL by an equally large force of DR, I’d guess. I suppose that they took a wrong turn on the way to GOM BL.

You see, the problem with saying things like “Os will focus on GoM no matter who is winning” is that you are not at all places at all times. My group has fought Os and NSP far more than it has fought GoM. Of course, you would not know that because you were not there. However, you just assume that because you don’t see something it must not be happening.

That is what is called a failure of logic.

So, there are basically four playstyles at the moment (the numbers are just rough guidelines).

1) Solo/Duo
2) Small Group (4-8)
3) Squad (10-15)
4) Zerg

Those who engage in activity 1 require good personal skill. However, they also typically run a build that is unbalanced for 1v1s to give them an advantage. That might be high mobility, high stealth, or a heavy bunker build.

Those who engage in activity 2 also require good personal skill. You will still find people who run the OP 1v1 builds but you will also find people who run more balanced builds for group synergy.

Those who engage in activity 3 are zerg-busters. They are the ones who beat zergs two to three times their size regularly. There is not as much need for personal skill. They are mostly running balanced builds for group synergy. Communication, coordinating blast fields, movement, and positioning are more important than clutch counter moves.

If you take people with equal skillsets: 3 beats 2 and 2 beats 1, obviously.

1 will call 2 zergers.
2 will call 3 zergers.
3 will call 4 zergers.

People who play style 3 also often play style 1 and style 2. People who play style 1 and style 2 can’t play style 3 due to lack of numbers. Since I play styles 1 through 3, I can sympathize with 5mans who complain about organized 10mans. But, when I’m running with 10-15 we are not looking to kill 5mans, we are looking to kill 20-40. And they aren’t just PUGs. We are looking to kill guild groups of that size (which is something no 5man is going to do).

With respect to people who play style 4? Very very few of them EVER play styles 1-3, so I don’t really care about them.

To be considered an individually skilled player you have to play styles 1 and 2. To be a well-rounded player you need to play styles 1-3. I’m saying well-rounded since you can’t really do split force pincer/flanking movements or get the most out of blast combos unless you are running with more than 10.

Okay, I’m confused again. So, just to get this straight… the server that is ahead on points is complaining about having their towers and keeps attacked?

Should build a wood replica of an arrowcart and blow it up.

Oversensitive PC police INC in 3…2…1…

Highlie.7641:

Be careful gom gets viscous when you make us angry

You have a relatively high resistance to flow when you get angry? We talking molasses levels here or what?

There needs to be leaderboards for “Most Kills With an Arrowcart” and “Most Time Spent on a Cannon.”

Stuff like that.

Littlefeather.8623:

frostshade.3617:

Littlefeather.8623:

3-5 man teams: Some people are a little bit selfless and choose not to help their server I guess.

Lower tier fighting: can your guild leader have 20-30 people on him and out of a 45 min non stop battle (using siege, terrain, flanking, stealth, quick reaction) wipe a non stop 60 man force (T3 Yaks bend)? Which by the way was so much fun, and so many loot bags !

Can your commanders, while outnumbered, wipe away or even push back enemy zergs in T2?

Have any idea how much teamwork and organization this takes? Well not as much as lower tiers need I’ll say that much.

We probably can actually and ya know what we keep getting better

Well OS has impressed me when RE faced you in the past, we have a mutual respect and good raport with eachother anyway lol Although RE’s open field battle has evolved a lot since our DH, early KN days till now.

I’d hope to God you are better now, because when we fought RE they were horrible in the open field.

rmBossa.4621:

Ive been all over the tiers. Just recently was in tier 8 for a while, and the majority of the time I was there was spent fighting huge zergs. By no means would I defend tier 1 server blobbing either.

So what does this mean? Everyone zergs way more then their admitting, so cut that out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOu2Gu-52ik

20v100?

That is a 3way fight. And, no need to count the many other friendly players there. I mean, they contributed nothing to the fight, I’m sure.

Mesmers and thieves have no reason to go bunker for obvious reasons.

Acelerion.6820:

So were off to give this tier 8 thing a whirl. I really hate to leave you guys on DR. Youre a great group of people and we enjoyed playing with you. Should circumstances change or this 5v5 thing flop well be right back.

Good luck out there!

I think it will be a success unless egos start to ruin it.

Josefjk.6310:

Oozo.7856:

Josefjk.6310:

I have discussed the behaviour of one of our members with the other leaders of SPCA, and we have come to the conclusion that Teivospy/Kevin will be kicked from SPCA as we do not condone her actions.

I am sorry for any of those that have been hurt by her behaviour.

In moving forward, I request that everyone stop bad mannering each other. We are playing this game to have fun and while SPCA does get zerged by AD, I have told the remaining members to knock it off.

Newsflash: We get overwhelmed by numbers too sometimes. Everyone does.

I’m sorry, this wasn’t a personal attack on AD as zergers.

Please tell us the point at which we become zergers? Is it when we are fighting 5v15? 7v13? 15v30+? There is more going on in the BLs than just what happens to your group. So maybe we run over 3 of you with 10 right after we just fought 25 with those same 10.

We have died in a lot of 3-5v10+ situations. We’ve also won quite a few 3-5v10+ situations.

Just tonight we had 5 fighting 15 NSP and in those 15 were some XOXO and SPCA tags.

Just stop it already.

Josefjk.6310:

I have discussed the behaviour of one of our members with the other leaders of SPCA, and we have come to the conclusion that Teivospy/Kevin will be kicked from SPCA as we do not condone her actions.

I am sorry for any of those that have been hurt by her behaviour.

In moving forward, I request that everyone stop bad mannering each other. We are playing this game to have fun and while SPCA does get zerged by AD, I have told the remaining members to knock it off.

Newsflash: We get overwhelmed by numbers too sometimes. Everyone does.

I guess he’s the only person who has ever been chased by multiple people while alone before?

kevinmrstowe.4098:

Gab Superstar.4059:

kevinmrstowe.4098:

Gab Superstar.4059:

kevinmrstowe.4098:

CrazyCanuck.4265:

kevinmrstowe.4098:

Hello everyone its that Char ele from SPCA that everyone wants to fight all the time.
I made a video of some thief play from a few nights ago, its my first video so don’t judge me too hard. Make sure u read the description, its a touching story about a man named dynney from AD who used to b a zerg user but has recently quit his addiction to zerg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wPtdXTBFPY

Im pretty sure people only want to fight you cause you are a free stack/lootbag.

Please how can this be when i hold the 15-0 heavyweight champion of AD belt……

Kevin, this reminds me of GW1 where you would alienate an entire guild cause you didn’t make the cut for their core team. If you show respect to people who beat you, those people will show respect towards you when you beat them.

I truly believe you would enjoy this game a lot more if you would just stop all this bickering / trying to prove you are the best player in the game. No one in this thread is.

I dont think im the best player in the game, but i do think AD is a bunch of zergers and they always challenge me to fight and lose.

Yes, you have made your opinion on this matter abundantly clear. Why you choose to continue to do so is what confuses me. AD are obviously zerglings (although my opinion would differ), and you can beat anyone 1v1. The fact that you are so vocal and mad about it is the lame part.

Why can’t you just play the game and keep your high opinion about yourself to… Yourself?

The day AD stops chasing me half way across the map with 3-4 and stops msging me random hate things asking me to get TS with them. That’s the day ill stop. Ty

Kevin = Teivospy?

It’s kind of funny that this guy doesn’t think that extending and turning and flanking and counter-flanking exist in the lower tiers. Guess what, they do. The main difference is that it’s on a smaller scale so a person’s individual skill comes into play much more than some ridiculous zerg versus zerg fight.

Which is more hardcore? A 5v5 where both sides know each other and who wins really matters? Or a 60 vs 60 where you just get to hide in the masses and no one will know whether you played well or played poorly.

There are much higher stakes in small group versus small group fights. Sorry. That is hardcore. Hiding in zergs is not hardcore.

Things that bad players who think that they are hardcore say: “60v60 is fun”

Loken.9724:

Oozo.7856:

A few comments.

1. Fights like these are only going to be interesting if you include voice. That is what these fights are all about. Communication, movement, position, and coordination. You can only get a feel for that if we hear your commands.

2. Don’t cover up the action bars.

3. Don’t post movies from a full mouse-clicker’s PoV.

You will rarely if ever get full comms. Guilds work very hard at what they do. To post videos with comms, thats kind of giving away how they do things. At least, I know thats why i wouldn’t personally want full comms posted.

point 2 and 3. yes. I agree. Again. Only videos I had on hand in my personal guilds forums.

I understand the desire to keep some of your tactics hidden to the enemy. But if you want to entertain people and draw them in you really need to include communication for these fights.

Keep the calls to push, flank, retreat, etc. Those are things only meaningful for that one fight. Some things are just common knowledge that everyone already knows. You can keep that stuff in the movie.

Just edit out things that you want to keep to yourselves. Trust me, this will make a much more entertaining movie which would actually help your cause since it would draw more people in.

A few comments.

1. Fights like these are only going to be interesting if you include voice. That is what these fights are all about. Communication, movement, position, and coordination. You can only get a feel for that if we hear your commands.

2. Don’t cover up the action bars.

3. Don’t post movies from a full mouse-clicker’s PoV.

Yes, experiences vary quite a lot just depending on where you are and at what time you play. As I’ve said, we’ve had more fights against 30+ than any matchup we have had in a few months. But, note that I’m not on the forums complaining about that because I think it’s been that way for good reasons.

1) The matchup is close and people are motivated to come out
2) Both NSP and GoM fight in the open field FAR more than the other servers we’ve fought recently.

So, while there might be increased numbers at least those numbers don’t hide in freaking towers all night long. There have been some really challenging fights in this tier.

The tiers above us are full of zergs that nuthug on towers and keeps.

Zumi.6384:

Toble.2968:

Zerg is a word based on proportions.

1v5 = zerg
2v10=zerg
5v15=zerg

I know it has been adulterated given the idea that zerging is a play style, not a number, but what most people refer to the word nowadays is the proportion, not the skill level.

Even if you are great at playing your class, have a large group build and your group of 15 rolls absolutely everyone else with equal or higher numbers, even if you don’t just press 1 and actually put effort into fighting large scale battles, you will be considered a zerg based on proportion.

Learn to not take offense to it, because you know who is better in equal fights when you come out the other end alive.

Fair enough, I can understand how it would be interpreted that way. In fact, I’ve probably used the term for groups that size for that same reason. I was mostly just pointing out how happy I am to be in a tier without a ton of 30-50 player zergs running around all the time.

Didn’t mean to sound like I was taking offense, to it. You’re right though, I’m sure a lot of people do take offense to being called a zerg, regardless of how it’s intended.

I’ve seen far more 30-50 man groups in this matchup than in any of the previous matchups we’ve had over the past few months.

Yam.2891:

this is message from teivospy, she hasn’t been playing since she went to her hometown for last couple of days:

“helo oozo, its me teivospy. – snip

Hello, on the first night, we had (IMO) two relatively even number fights with SPCA and friends while I was present. One was near the S-ramp at NE camp that we lost. One was on the coast SE of the garrison that we won. Both were very good fights.

I don’t consider the fights at our zone in where we were fighting Splt, RUSL, SPCA, XOXO, and KOTR with to be clean even number fights. If you want to consider those even fights then you shouldn’t mind me putting up videos when we have the same number advantage on our side of things.

Haven’t seen RUSL since. Was that a guild hiding under a different tag?

Too many people only see what they want to see to pump up their own egos. They exaggerate enemy numbers when they lose. They ignore friendly help they had when they win. They remember the times they win and forget the times they lose.

osif.8673:

Creepy Silent.9801:

PAXA should go to GoM to add some fun to this tier

Nah, too zergy for our liking. Nothing against people who enjoy running in 15ish people prime time, just not for us. Hope you’re enjoying the tier though, I know there’s a decent amount of groups that run around in those numbers… also the bad zergs like MoB (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8mhcGMmsNk “GROUP UP” -zergballs- “MOVE IN 3, 2, 1” zergball rolls down a hill) that are easy bloodlust stacks.

Yeah, this is a really bad tier for 5 mans, for sure. Once primetime hits there are some insane numbers moving around at times. I think one of the reasons is because the matchup is very close. In the upper tiers, when there is a blowout the population drops (for all sides) significantly after the first weekend leaving mainly people who PvP just because they enjoy PvP. When that happens, it is pointless to run 10-15 and we typically break off into separate groups. Can’t do that in this tier ATM during the evening.

Hope you get the small-man thing going on T8.

Wafflez.8460:

In reference to the first screenshot you posted. We(SPCA) actually left the bl and were going to do some 3 man roaming cause we don’t really enjoy these big 15v15 fights, especially when no one is on vent and everyone’s just doing their own thing. We had actually had no idea splt had come too, and we kinda just ditched them in that fight and went and did our own thing. So i suppose you can count us in their numbers if you want but we pretty much just left right away and were in no way coordinating with them.

The point wasn’t to count your numbers but to demonstrate that we did not have 20 as advertised. I’m not trying to drive wedges between you guys. And yes, there really isn’t a point in engaging in that kind of fight with no VOIP.

Let’s cut through the crap and discuss reality.

We were running around 12-15 again tonight. At times we had others following us that push “our” numbers to 20. We can’t control that. DR people know who we are and they follow along.

Early in the night we were in NSP BL, I believe. We had some fights against XOXO/SPCA/Splt/tM that were roughly even numbered but I’m guessing we had the number advantage due to friendly DR players. I’m truly sorry for that, but what do you want me to do? Send a tell to each friendly DR player telling them not to jump in the fight?

Take a look at the second screenshot. Yes, you are probably outnumbered (but not by a huge amount) but the reason why is because YOU decided to engage us next to a DR tower that had defenders in it. Did you not expect them to jump into the fight? That loss was your fault for chosing a horrible place to fight. Period. It wasn’t because you got zerged by US.

We were running around with outmanned in that zone for most of the night but some of the main DR forces came into the zone. When we noticed that you were having to deal with us and them we left the zone to help you. Yes, we left the zone to give you some freedom to fight the DR that had come into the zone without having to worry about us.

We went to GoM BL but so did SPCA and Splt it seems. That is what led to the fight near your spawn. That is the top screenshot. Now, take a look at that screenshot. Notice that all friendly and enemy players are in front of me and there are no green dots near us. Would you say we were running with 20 there or with relatively equal numbers?

It really looks bad for you when you exaggerate our numbers when you lose. We pushed you back to your spawn. Unlike others I don’t like dying to legendary defenders so I called us back across the river, not to flank you but to give us some room to fight you. We stayed in the ruins for what would have been a relatively equal numbered clean fight but you decided to not come out and fight us away from your portal keep.

That’s your decision but don’t say it was because we had 20 people. The screenshot does not lie.

You guys have the numbers and skill to compete against us but you will have to get on voice together. Not being on voice together is a huge disadvantage.

IMO, whenever two enemies engage the game should calculate how many of each side are within a 100 yard radius. The side with less players should immediately be put into defeated state giving the side with more players the win (as it should be)

If the number of enemies on each side happen to be the same then all players should be ported back to the nearest waypoint.

The mods for these forums are absolutely pathetic sometimes.

Confusion did too much damage in WvW, now it doesn’t do enough. Perhaps an internal cooldown on taking damage should be put in place so the damage on confusion can be increased and still punish spam-clickers without obliterating them?

Not sure what is going on here. I’m seeing retaliation hit people in the 350 area on my NECRO which is condition spec. It seems to be doing more damage to me.

Confusion was doing too much damage. Hopefully, they will now boost it a little for both sPvP and WvW.

Open field and tower defense against MoB and NSP friends. That was an intense fight in the tower guys, thanks for that.

Just want to make sure I have this straight. We are being criticized for running 10-15 during primetime even though we spend most of our time fighting 30-40+ every single night.

Got to love people with a good sense of humor. Well done.

pixieish.9627:

Partunu.9845:

Pixieish, you know that really wasn’t ADQQBtsy right? I mean the guy sounded like Oozo, but he slipped up and gave it away when he said “Pick up your bags.”

Oh I’m… mostly sure that was Stylii that said that…

I was shocked that Oozo actually was trying to pick stuff up during the fights… though it’s still a strange new concept to him. Observe how the bloodthisty Oozo tosses stuff into his bags, too focused on murdering the next helpless NSP to realize it’s just falling out.

Clearly what Oozo needs is a backpack. Please, help support our loot deprived necromancer by donating to our “Oozo needs bagspace” charity. Over 3% of what you donate will help fund a nice shiny pink Quaggan backpack for everyone’s favourite Oozo, and if you donate now, you’ll even get a handwritten note from Oozo himself, thanking you for your support.

The big bags are still on my guardian. I need to move them, the necro is an AoE lootbag machine. :P

It’s amazing, really. People still don’t understand that the reason confusion damage was increased in WvW in the first place was to balance it for the slower-hitting PvE MOBs. It was never intended to do that much damage against players but ANet handcuffed themselves by tying the PvE and WvW rulesets together.

Come to grips with that FACT and get over it.

Stygia.3715:

Hah, yes cause we have a reliable way to cause bleed/burn/poison right? THE reason to go condition as a Mesmer was confusion. Now it’s time to dust of the p/v/t/ and decide how much crit to mix in. Phantasm or Shatter, decisions, decisions!

Confusion mesmer and condition engineer duos are (or perhaps, were) extremely popular for a reason.

This is a movie of us “bottom-feeding” by holding off 30+ (just guessing) NSP reinforcements headed to SM. DR’s main forces eventually cap SM.

Glaeser.8015:

Zizanzi.4678:

bokkieskitten.8023:

There is quite a few DR, that have a lack of maturity and it’s really getting on my nerves.

I instruct my troops to be polite and respectful of the people they kill. Ending with /bow or /salute. No dancing, no laughing, no jumping and utterly NO teabagging. I want them to be honourable.

Learn some honour people, it will earn you respect.

Here I am being teabagged….classy.

All things said I would like to say, “Nice fight in front of the tower before everyone else arrived and this incident” BTW, I don’t teabag I throw unmade SEIGE on top of people. ;-P If you happen to get on my “S” list you get an Alpha Golem and I have thrown two of those so far.

Stylii Elementalist (Slyvari)
Shoulda Rolled Kaineng (NoQQ) Leader

Finally I have a goal to shoot for!

You know you’ve made it when someone drops an alpha siege golem build site on top of you.

bokkieskitten.8023:

There is quite a few DR, that have a lack of maturity and it’s really getting on my nerves.

I instruct my troops to be polite and respectful of the people they kill. Ending with /bow or /salute. No dancing, no laughing, no jumping and utterly NO teabagging. I want them to be honourable.

Learn some honour people, it will earn you respect.

Here I am being teabagged….classy.

There are a couple of people from AD who have a bad habit of dong this. I’ll ask them to stop. However, people are free to do what they want to do. This is a game. I’d suggest not taking things like this personally.

Also, every server has people who do that not just DR.

side note: Is it possible to be tea-bagged by a female toon?