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I am beyond disappointed. Golden cities, winged floating creatures…it should have been mursaat.
Some people are making the argument “Ughh well umm the mursaat are bad guys so how could we ever ally with them?”
First of all, look at the Charr
Secondly, the mursaat were the bad guys only from our perspective. If you understand the lore it’s quite clear that they weren’t inheritably evil…more like tried to save themselves.
Thirdly, even if they were “bad guys” 250 years ago…things change. Working with the mursaat over a common interest adds an extra level of dynamic to the story, and there were a million ways they could have gone with that.I do not know what they were thinking on this one. Instead of building upon well established lore, they shoehorned in a new race of floating spellcasters when we already have two fan-favorites.
I can not help but feel like Anet does not understand their own lore anymore.
First of all, ever since the initial trailer depicted the Exalted, and until now, they have never been depicted as having ‘wings’ that are the trademark appearance of Mursaat, so for the hype bandwagon to shout “Mursaat!” was really just a lore fail on the players part. ANet did not trick you, their plan from the begging, and your vision were simply different, you just assumed otherwise, and got your hopes up. You cant really blame ANet for that… And just because the Exalted are introduced first, does not mean the Mursaat have been forgotten and wont make an appearance.
We did see them in GW1, following the Forgotten, though we didnt know they were called Exalted at the time.
If you assume that Enchanted Armors were Exalted. And we only saw those in the crystal desert.
As it is a known fact that Forgotten trained/tested/transformed humans into Exalted during the time of GW1, it would make sense for the Exalted to live with the Forgotten while undergoing that process, and then later be relocated to the Magumma Jungle. If we go out on limb here and say they probably weren’t all trained at the same time, but over the course of 50~100 years or so, that would explain how their golden cities would already be constructed for Saul to find them living in, and yet at the same time, for us to come across them in the desert. You don’t build an entire race at once, especially since the blog post said only those who pasted the test could be come Exalted, which likely means there had to have been multiple test to get enough members to be of any worth.
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Until it is confirmed, it is an assumption.
true, but, ‘theory’ ‘hypothesis’, ‘guess’, sounds a lot less arrogant than ‘assumption’, especially when the guess is based on facts, whereas assumptions can often be baseless.
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It is assumptions based on the fact that the Enchanted Armor creatures looks very much like the Exalted.
Not an assumption, an educated theory crafted by the evidence presented. The Enchanted Armor follow the Forgotten in GW1, and this new lore blog post tells us that during the time of GW1 the Forgotten taught the Exalted. The Exalted look much more like Enchanted Armor then they do Mursaat. A+B=C, no?
Whole thing is dumb. Golden cities, should have been mursaat.
Either this is some ruse to throw people off, or anet have really just thrown all the old lore out and are just making up nonsense now. If these things were created 300 years ago then why did glint never mention them, why did we never see them in gw1?
But they were there all along! loooool, pls hire new lore writers anet.
What if I told you…the reason we never saw the exalted in the original Guild Wars…. was because we were the ones controlling them before they underwent their transformation.
We did see them in GW1, following the Forgotten, though we didnt know they were called Exalted at the time. However, that does not discount the theory that our hero character in GW1 joins their ranks
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I have three words. “Crap” & “That Sucks.”
I was hoping for any old lore to seep in and saw the Mursaat as both a nod to the game we all loved that spawned this one and a chance to see if there were both good and bad Mursaat.
After reading the article, I see how they have infused new lore with the Exalted, but would it kill any of those friggin’ content creators to throw us long time GW1 players a bone?
#nothappy #epiclorefail
… Exalted were in GW1 too, although at that time they weren’t recognized to be anything more than Forgotten servants, but now we learn their true name and purpose… bone thrown.
Dev, please merge with with the “Mysteries Exhaulted & Mastery UI”
what is the basis here for thinking we possibly could get a new city? where are they hinting at this?
The lore blog post for exalted says they have a golden city. Well, that doesnt mean it will be a city like LA and DR, it could be more akin to EH.
not familiar with the lore blog post, link plz?
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-exalted-pure-dedication/
I’m calling it now. The Exalted are created to feed Glint’s baby XD
haha, well dragons do feed on magical energy, and Exalted are practically nothing but, lol
Glint: I need your help, protect my child, so that the future of mankind can be saved.
Exalted Candidates: Oh course Glint, we would die for you!
Glint’s thoughts: haha, foolish humans, Ill have you do just that. -caresses egg- Rest now my love, mommy’s making breakfastRofl that’s what I was thinking too XD
And then the baby grew up to be an kitten like the rest of the dragon. Causing chaos and destroying Tyria :P
Still wanna know how a dragon grows up to be a baby cat… feels… anti-climatic… like Zhaitain. EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE NOW! LMAO
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what is the basis here for thinking we possibly could get a new city? where are they hinting at this?
The lore blog post for exalted says they have a golden city. Well, that doesnt mean it will be a city like LA and DR, it could be more akin to EH.
I’m calling it now. The Exalted are created to feed Glint’s baby XD
haha, well dragons do feed on magical energy, and Exalted are practically nothing but, lol
Glint: I need your help, protect my child, so that the future of mankind can be saved.
Exalted Candidates: Oh course Glint, we would die for you!
Glint’s thoughts: haha, foolish humans, Ill have you do just that. -caresses egg- Rest now my love, mommy’s making breakfast
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http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Forgotten_Enchanted.jpg = Exalted, as in GW1
http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/0/0f/Mursaat_caster.jpg = Mursaat, as in GW1
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-exalted-pure-dedication/ = Exalted, as in GW2
Conclusion, Exalted in GW2 look more like Exalted in GW1 than they do Mursaat in GW1, as in both GW1 and GW2 Exalted have armor bodies held together by energy, and no wings, whereas Mursaat have flesh based human-like bodies and wings. So from day one when we first saw the Exalted in HoT’s first teaser trailer, the hype that they were Mursaat was misplaced, as while the two ARE very similar, there has been key differences since GW1, and those differences remain in its sequel.
Well i have a hypothesis and this may allow us to figure out what happened to Saul D’Alessio.
Maybe Saul found this city of Tarir and mistakened the Exalted as the Mursaat. He went back to kryta tell the story of the golden city of Tarir and the Exalted. After that returned to the Maguuma and as the lore stated he was unable to find the city again but he did find the Mursaat. However, since both the Exalted had strong magical powers and both can fly Saul may have mistaken the Mursaat to be the Exalted believing the Mursaat were another form of Exalted.
Using Saul’s misunderstanding the Mursaat pretended to be the Exalted. This may also explain why Saul may have been taken away since Saul knows the location of the Exalted which serves Glint and the Mursaat were after all fighting against Glint’s flameseeker prophecies.
This makes the most sense to me, but I’m no expert on pre-searing lore.
That’s completely possible too, it was never directly stated, or showed that the Mursaat live in golden cities. And as they DO look alike, it is entirely feasible that this was merely saul’s misunderstanding. Honestly, I think that adds a later of depth to the old lore.
/em just sits here and is glad that there’s a chance we’re getting a new hub city
thats not confirmed, it might be an instances story zone, or even a city built on the open world map like Ebon Hawk… ah, you said chance, I missed that first read through, or did you edit?
Glint, “hmmm, you Dwarves are really helpful, buuuut, I foresee you turning to stone soon… time to get a new army”
Why would glint mention Exulted if there are no dragons for them to fight
Maybe a heads up like, “Hey, if you happen to see some guys in the maguuma that look exactly like the things I’m tricking you into murdering and who also live in a golden city, don’t kill them, they’re cool.”
And yeah, Im sure the maguuma is just chock full of golden cities… Everybody and their dog is building them apparently
Another possibility I’m just going to throw out here, but what if the ascended process we went through in GW1, was incomplete, what if the true propose of ascending is not to kill Mursaat, but to become them; ie, fight fire with fire. And the Exaulted are Mursaat-ified humans, a sub group of Mursaat, having the same powers and cities as the ones we fought in GW1, but coming from a human origin, thus explaining the similarities, and contradictions.
Instead of adding new lore, this could be building upon old, possibly even explaining why we needed to kill the Mursaat, who, if memory serves, only sacrificed the humans they believed were the ones destined to kill them. In other words, preemptive self defense.
Why would glint mention the dragons if they were asleep, it wasn’t very relevant at the time.
Why would glint mention Exulted if there are no dragons for them to fight, and as such, they are asleep, it wasn’t very relevant at the time.
But why do you assume there can only be one golden city? That only one magical race can build in gold? Just because Devs chose not to introduce the Mursaat at this point, does not mean they have been forgotten, or wont appear. Or even, just because the Devs have not mentioned them yet, doesn’t mean they wont appear in the expansion. As it has been said, there have been a lot of white mantle references leading up to a possible Musaat encounter. So be patient my friend, you will have your chance to dance blades with those fowl creatures again.
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I want to clarify my post.
I do not have a problem with the way the druid is designed. The problem is that no other classes have a strong equivelent. ANet promised that with raids you don’t have to ‘wait for your healer to come on, or switch to a healing class’, but can instead, depending on your traits, turn any class into a tank, a healer or a dps. But given that the ranger is now the only viable strong healer, that is no longer true.
Thus, I feel ANet needs to add an elite healing specialization to other classes as well, or alter a curent specialization within each of the classes, so that it becomes a ‘healing specislization’ that rivels the druids prowess. Thus truly giving each class the ability to play all roles.
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My only problem with druid, is that it has no equivalent in the other classes. The classes in gw2 are supposed to be designed to challenge the traditional gaming trinity, so that each class can play every playstyle, ie: healer, tank, dps. However, to match the druids lvl of healing, other classes have to use two, or even three trait lines, thus making them all support and no bite, whereas ranger needs only one trait line for it’s amazing healing, and has two spare lines to take a more damaged based route. This honestly puts a big imbalance in the game, making the ranger much more important/useful then other classes, because it can play two roles, while other classes can only play one.
The only other thing I wish had been done differently about rangers, is that at least one of the new pets be able to fight under water.
Forget everything else, WYVERNS!!!!! <3 <3 <3 … with that alone the expansion is worth it, hahaha <3
I think the most offensive thing about this thread is that you’ve made a relation between there customer service and a business decision on pricing. That’s just ludicrous.
If you don’t think the two are related, you’ve never worked in customer service and know little of marketing. at any rate, I ceed my point to the greater powers.
Believe me, I understand that the value of a product decreases over time, and i dont have a problem with that. However, there is a difference between the prise dropping over time, and dissapearing all together. you can’t go to a computor store and buy a brand new lap top and get all previous generations of the brand for free. which is essentially what gw2 is offering.
Except when you but a brand new laptop you get all the functionalities of previous generations of laptops with it and said previous generations are discontinued. This is what GW2 is essentially doing: they’re discontinuing GW2 Core and making HoT this generation’s product, which includes all functionalities up until now.
My real isue is purely on the matter of principle, the favoring of new players with this great deal, while doing nothing for vets in return. how is it that new players don’t have to face the pay wall, while old players do, why does that policy only service them? in that matter, they are being treated better than current players. that is a fact. if anets policy is to not create a paywall, it should go benifet the entire comunity, not just the newest addition.
Then stop playing.
I’m serious. If you want to get the same great deal as future players, stop playing. Wait until all the expansions are out, ANet announces that GW2 is going into maintenance mode like GW1, and pick everything up at a single low price of $50. By your arguments you would have absolutely nothing to complain about if you did that, because you’re getting a much better deal than everyone else.
But I shouldn’t have to quit playing just to get a fair deal… well, I’ve argued this into the ground. I’m honestly surprised I didn’t have more supporters, players were kittened when they found out HoT came with a free core, and that anger wasn’t abaited until heart of thorns threw in a free character slot. I honestly don’t understand why people weren’t okay with getting core free, but they are okay with every expansion then after free. The general mode was that we were being cheated by HoT, but future expansions that offer the same offer arnt cheating us too? I just don’t understand the change of though process in the comunity who were so angry about it before, but now my even mentioning it is a ‘ridiculous arguement’
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I bought a laptop in 2011. Today someone asked where and if they could purchase that very same laptop at a fraction of the price. Yes, I replied. That is possible. It may surprise you that I did not launch into a tirade over how unfair it is that they can now purchase the same product for which I paid full price for a bit of change. This is because I applied something called logic to the situation.
Products depreciate in value over time. That’s simple common sense. You got your money’s worth, and now you claim it’s not enough and want more and hope that overly dramatic posting will achieve this. This is an unfortunate, unreasonable and unrealistic attitude.
Believe me, I understand that the value of a product decreases over time, and i dont have a problem with that. However, there is a difference between the prise dropping over time, and dissapearing all together. you can’t go to a computor store and buy a brand new lap top and get all previous generations of the brand for free. which is essentially what gw2 is offering.
My real isue is purely on the matter of principle, the favoring of new players with this great deal, while doing nothing for vets in return. how is it that new players don’t have to face the pay wall, while old players do, why does that policy only service them? in that matter, they are being treated better than current players. that is a fact. if anets policy is to not create a paywall, it should go benifet the entire comunity, not just the newest addition.
Actually the difference between the price dropping and disappearing is only about $10. Not enough to be complaining about, completely negligible price difference and it nothing more than complaining for the sake of complaining. You can get that $10 value by just buying the expansion right now since they will give you an extra character slot.
There is a paywall, new players have to pay for the expansion if they want to play the expansion. New players and current players get the same thing, they both have to pay $50 for the expansion.
I agree with that assessment if it was only regarding this expansion, which they made a fair deal, but when the next one comes out, this one drops to $0 value, and when the expansion after that comes out, it drops to $0 dolar value too.
Very well, it seems I’m the minority, and my opinion falls on death ears, anet hates my topic so much they decided to silence me, because my opinion is apparently not worth discussing. very well, I won’t post here any more.
“Deaf ears” and it really isn’t.
Can I have your stuff?
I didnt say i was quitting, just that i wouldnt post anymore… Yep just like colin said during the stream, ‘the friendliest online gaming community’…
Oh, but it is, provided you don’t make nonsensical rants, ignore perfectly logical counterarguments, then circumvent a post lock to continue ranting. There’s a difference between being friendly and being saintly, you’re expecting people to be saints.
Counter arguements that I in turn rebuffed. as for circumventing a lock post, I would like to know for what reason this topic must be censored? is hiding unpopular opinions gw2s new business modle too? if we don’t like what you say, you have no right to voice it?
No, as Gaile pointed out, you’re essentially complaining about something that’s been the norm since before MMOs were even a thing.
You get a VHS of a movie, do you complain that someone paid for less to watch it in a theater? Or that the didn’t pay to watch it on broadcast television (with restrictions, such as commercials)? Or that someone later paid the same amount to get a higher quality DVD? Blu-ray?
You paid more, but you got to play longer. That’s fair. Future customers have the same access to content, but nothing will ever make up for all the extra years you have on top of them.
You paid more for more copies, your whole family got to play. That’s also fair. There will also be future customers who potentially shell out $300 for six copies for their family, they also won’t have all that play time your family has on top of them as well.
If you want things to be absolutely fair, either don’t play MMOs or only get into them once they’ve been sunsetted and won’t have any new content.
No actually, there have been sales and combo packs, but this is the first mmo that gives absolutely everything for free, so long as you ONLY buy the last expansion pack.
Also, other games that have bundled the expansions, have offered discounts to vets
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I bought a laptop in 2011. Today someone asked where and if they could purchase that very same laptop at a fraction of the price. Yes, I replied. That is possible. It may surprise you that I did not launch into a tirade over how unfair it is that they can now purchase the same product for which I paid full price for a bit of change. This is because I applied something called logic to the situation.
Products depreciate in value over time. That’s simple common sense. You got your money’s worth, and now you claim it’s not enough and want more and hope that overly dramatic posting will achieve this. This is an unfortunate, unreasonable and unrealistic attitude.
Believe me, I understand that the value of a product decreases over time, and i dont have a problem with that. However, there is a difference between the prise dropping over time, and dissapearing all together. you can’t go to a computor store and buy a brand new lap top and get all previous generations of the brand for free. which is essentially what gw2 is offering.
My real isue is purely on the matter of principle, the favoring of new players with this great deal, while doing nothing for vets in return. how is it that new players don’t have to face the pay wall, while old players do, why does that policy only service them? in that matter, they are being treated better than current players. that is a fact. if anets policy is to not create a paywall, it should go benifet the entire comunity, not just the newest addition.
Very well, it seems I’m the minority, and my opinion falls on death ears, anet hates my topic so much they decided to silence me, because my opinion is apparently not worth discussing. very well, I won’t post here any more.
“Deaf ears” and it really isn’t.
Can I have your stuff?
I didnt say i was quitting, just that i wouldnt post anymore… Yep just like colin said during the stream, ‘the friendliest online gaming community’…
Oh, but it is, provided you don’t make nonsensical rants, ignore perfectly logical counterarguments, then circumvent a post lock to continue ranting. There’s a difference between being friendly and being saintly, you’re expecting people to be saints.
Counter arguements that I in turn rebuffed. as for circumventing a locked post, I would like to know for what reason this topic must be censored? is hiding unpopular opinions gw2s new business modle too? if we don’t like what you say, you have no right to voice it?
And why is it when devs have their say, that’s it, they say they value our opinion, but then they are not willing to talk over issues with us that they disagree on?
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Not talking about free players, talking about players who buy the lastest expansion. why does anets policy of buy once tailor to the new players and leave the rest of us coughing up blood each time a new expansion comes out. for this expansion alone, I need a total of $300 for everyone to play, a fee I will have to pay each and every time a new one comes out. that’s by no means an easy sum. they said they don’t want new players to face a pay wall, but its okay that old players do???
This is such a puzzling viewpoint to me. If you want a new game, you have to pay for each copy of it, right? New players aren’t paying any less to buy HoT, they just didn’t have the previous version of the game.
Do people who played Dragon Age 1 feel they shouldn’t have to pay for the sequel? Did going to Star Wars mean you got a discount on seeing The Empire Strikes Back? Hey, I read the Hobbit, give me the Fellowship of the Ring for free. I’ve listened to “Allentown” a few times, I should get “Innocent Man” gratis.
Flip that around, just because you bought dragon age two, does that mean you get one for free?
Very well, it seems I’m the minority, and my opinion falls on death ears, anet hates my topic so much they decided to silence me, because my opinion is apparently not worth discussing. very well, I won’t post here any more.
“Deaf ears” and it really isn’t.
Can I have your stuff?
I didnt say i was quitting, just that i wouldnt post anymore… Yep just like colin said during the stream, ‘the friendliest online gaming community’…
Very well, it seems I’m the minority, and my opinion falls on death ears, anet hates my topic so much they decided to silence me, because my opinion is apparently not worth discussing. very well, I won’t post here any more.
Its just good customer service to value old customers, to AT LEAST give us the same benifets you give new customers. I’m not asking for anything more. just that we arnt treated as second class players because we decided to start supporting your game sooner and stuck with it. if you’re going to give new players a special deal give us one too, its only fair, its only good customer service.
The free players are being treated as second class players, and that is a fact:
Free player only get 2 character slots, paid players got 5 ($30 for free players to get up to 5 character slots)
Free players only get 3 bag slots, paid players got 5 ($10 for free players to get up to 5 bag slots)
Free players have chat/whisper restrictions
Free players have no access to guild banks
Free players only have a limited list of items they can sell/buy from the trade post
Free Players get no forum access
Free Players are restricted by level when they can leave/go to areas of the game (for example PvP, WvW, Lions Arch, leaving starter zone).
Free Players get had no access to Season 1 content
Free Players had no option to get Season 2 for free, they must pay $16.00 for season 2 content.
Free Players cannot trade Gold for Gems.
Free players do not get Login rewards.
Not talking about free players, talking about players who buy the lastest expansion. why does anets policy of buy once tailor to the new players and leave the rest of us coughing up blood each time a new expansion comes out. for this expansion alone, I need a total of $300 for everyone to play, a fee I will have to pay each and every time a new one comes out. that’s by no means an easy sum. they said they don’t want new players to face a pay wall, but its okay that old players do???
Its just good customer service to value old customers, to AT LEAST give us the same benifets you give new customers. I’m not asking for anything more. just that we arnt treated as second class players because we decided to start supporting your game sooner and stuck with it, because we decided to be loyal and pay more money. if you’re going to give new players a special deal give us one too, its only fair, its only good customer service.
That’s the thing though … no long standing customers have been ignored … Anet continues to service those people.
How? new customers get this price break, what do we get? an outfit certainly isn’t worth the $100s of dollars ill be spending on each expansion throughout the years.
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No… gw2 when I bought it wasn’t advertised as buy for early access, or wait and play for free… I paid for content of worth, under the understanding that you HAD to buy to play, as THAT is what it was advertised as. you say I could have waited and got it for free, but lets be realistic, who ever thought gw2 would be given out free, the devs certainly never so much as even eluded to such a thing at release. Now they are telling me that content is actually worthless, but because I wanted to play when it was released, too bad, I should have waited, I have to pay. people are fond of used car references, but what company gives out a old used mustang, completely updated and matained for free so long as you buy the new stereo they put in there???
These really bad analogies are fun, lets keep it up. You’re saying that if someone else gets a moped for free, your mustang is somehow worth less.
You… reading comprehension? I said if someone gets a mustang for free simply for buying the stereo in it, my mustang is worth less.
Your mustang is worth exactly the same as his mustang. It was worth less regardless of him getting it or not. The difference is you had a mustang for a much longer time.
This analogy is still bad, since the free version is not the same as the paid version.
They are exactly the same, the same manufacture/seller made and updated them at the same time. I got my mustang sooner then he did yes, but the one at my house was upgraded at the same time as his sitting in the wearhouse. same components, same quality, both kept in pristine condition, but I had to pay to buy it, and I had to pay for every single upgrade that went into it, he bought only the last upgrade and got everything else for free
Everyone who owned the mustang at the time could go to races, and parties, and have access to the mustang whenever they wanted. The guy who just got it yesterday missed all the events, has no idea why the mustangs have a large dent in the rear quarter panel or what the original interior looked like. If it’s the free version they also don’t get a horn, half an engine, and missing a tire.
They get absolutely everything we did, even the chance to enter the races and experience first hand how that dent got there in this case. because everything we did without our mustang, is available for them to do, or soon will be.
Because there is a vast difference between an item going on sale and being free. because I shouldn’t have to pay 5 times as much for the same amount of content, period. because if anet is going to make a deal and treat new players special, they should do something special for old players to, who have given so much time and money to this game. because ultimately, this is a product, and whether you choose to see it, we are being undercut
You didn’t give your time to the game like you were doing Anet a favor. You were playing and presumably you were entertained which is a benefit to you. You paid money to be entertained. The exchange has been made.
I didn’t even bother to go into how many gems I’ve bought over the years, because that’s doesnt have anything to do with this topic, but surfice to say my playing made them a lot of money indeed, so to say my playing didn’t benifet them is incorrect. The point, is that the same pay should be dmanded for the same services rendered, with the undertanding and exception that worth does drop over time, but never to the point that long standing customers are ignored in favore of new. that’s just bad customer service, bad business
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No… gw2 when I bought it wasn’t advertised as buy for early access, or wait and play for free… I paid for content of worth, under the understanding that you HAD to buy to play, as THAT is what it was advertised as. you say I could have waited and got it for free, but lets be realistic, who ever thought gw2 would be given out free, the devs certainly never so much as even eluded to such a thing at release. Now they are telling me that content is actually worthless, but because I wanted to play when it was released, too bad, I should have waited, I have to pay. people are fond of used car references, but what company gives out a old used mustang, completely updated and matained for free so long as you buy the new stereo they put in there???
These really bad analogies are fun, lets keep it up. You’re saying that if someone else gets a moped for free, your mustang is somehow worth less.
You… reading comprehension? I said if someone gets a mustang for free simply for buying the stereo in it, my mustang is worth less.
Your mustang is worth exactly the same as his mustang. It was worth less regardless of him getting it or not. The difference is you had a mustang for a much longer time.
This analogy is still bad, since the free version is not the same as the paid version.
They are exactly the same, the same manufacture/seller made and updated them at the same time. I got my mustang sooner then he did yes, but the one at my house was upgraded at the same time as his sitting in the wearhouse. same components, same quality, both kept in pristine condition, but I had to pay to buy it, and I had to pay for every single upgrade that went into it, he bought only the last upgrade and got everything else for free
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No…
Wait … are you saying you didn’t pay to get access to the game? I’m pretty sure you did, otherwise you couldn’t play it. Wouldn’t be much of a point in buying the game if you couldn’t get access to play it don’t you think?
I didn’t buy early access, I bought the game, there is a difference.
If there is a difference, you’re going to have to do a better job explaining it because early access or not, everyone paid to get access to the game regardless of when they bought it. Therefore, you got extra value over someone who will get F2P.
Yes, we all pay for access for the same amount of content, so why is it that we have to pay so much more? Once again, that we are paying for the amount of time is irrevlevent, because we are promised to buy and play for free. so our time is and never was being charged, only acess to said product was.
I never complained about it being $10, and its not currently $10, its free…
So if you never complained about the game going from $60 at launch to $10, then why are you complaining about it dropping another $10?
Because there is a vast difference between an item going on sale and being free. because I shouldn’t have to pay 5 times as much for the same amount of content, period. because if anet is going to make a deal and treat new players special, they should do something special for old players to, who have given so much time and money to this game. because ultimately, this is a product, and whether you choose to see it, we are being undercut
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No… gw2 when I bought it wasn’t advertised as buy for early access, or wait and play for free… I paid for content of worth, under the understanding that you HAD to buy to play, as THAT is what it was advertised as. you say I could have waited and got it for free, but lets be realistic, who ever thought gw2 would be given out free, the devs certainly never so much as even eluded to such a thing at release. Now they are telling me that content is actually worthless, but because I wanted to play when it was released, too bad, I should have waited, I have to pay. people are fond of used car references, but what company gives out a old used mustang, completely updated and matained for free so long as you buy the new stereo they put in there???
These really bad analogies are fun, lets keep it up. You’re saying that if someone else gets a moped for free, your mustang is somehow worth less.
You… reading comprehension? I said if someone gets a mustang for free simply for buying the stereo in it, my mustang is worth less.
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You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No… gw2 when I bought it wasn’t advertised as buy for early access, or wait and play for free… I paid for content of worth, under the understanding that you HAD to buy to play, as THAT is what it was advertised as. you say I could have waited and got it for free, but lets be realistic, who ever thought gw2 would be given out free, the devs certainly never so much as even eluded to such a thing at release. Now they are telling me that content is actually worthless, but because I wanted to play when it was released, too bad, I should have waited, I have to pay. people are fond of used car references, but what company gives out a old used mustang, completely updated and matained for free so long as you buy the new stereo they put in there???
Then don’t buy the expansion and just wait till they announce that Expansion “x” is the last expansion for Guild Wars 2, and then buy it at that time. Either don’t play the game till that happens, or just be happy with the core game for the potentially the next several years. This is the PC games market, everything devalues overtime. The game was already selling for about $10 on this site and other places, so after 3 years the core game has devalued to $0.
Were you complaining when the game was being sold for for $10? Really, that is what you are complaining about, is a drop in price by $10.
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I never complained about it being $10, and its not currently $10, its free…
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No…
Wait … are you saying you didn’t pay to get access to the game? I’m pretty sure you did, otherwise you couldn’t play it. Wouldn’t be much of a point in buying the game if you couldn’t get access to play it don’t you think?
I didn’t buy early access, I bought the game, there is a difference.
Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
We are not getting less than new players.
Less value for our money >.>
Nope. The extra value you get over new players is the amount of time you’ve spent ingame while you have owned the game and they haven’t.
+ all the 40 updates + log-in rewards (wich stays exclusive to B2P)
No, all they have to do is buy the lastest expansion and they get all those 40+ updates for free. and as for the amount of time we spend playing the game, they don’t regulate that, we are paying for the opertunity to play, not for each and every hour we play, that’s why its buy to play and not subscription. however much we do or don’t play has nothing to do with the cost. otherwise someone who can only play once a week should have to pay less than someone who plays every day if we follow your reasoning. we pay to play, and howmuch we play is up to us, its not attached to the deal. so it has no relevence.
This is simply not true, living world season 1 isn’t available anymore, living world season 2 costs gems. They do not get this for free. Of course you can’t suddenly retract every little change to the classes, but that is far from all the content we had.
First of all, the game, at this date, is not worth 50+ dollars anymore, it’s worth 15-20 max. That is just fact, if you went to the store prior to the anouncement of HoT, i saw copy’s at that price point. Games do age and GW2 core game isn’t worth that much anymore. So basicly you are getting really angry over 15-20 dollars. The living world season 2 costs 1600 gems, wich is about that price. So basicly now you are getting angry at no difference? I’m trying to understand why you are angry, but i can’t see it.
Basicly you aren’t comparing you money’s worth, you are just mad that other people 3 year’s later, get if for free. And that my good sir is entitlement.
You didn’t read carefully enough, season 2 is free with purchasing expansion, in the announcement he said you get all those updates after buying expansion. and season 1 will be added to game eventually, so to say new players missed out is a mute point.
And you yourself said core is now worth 15-20, but my dear friend, their is a difference bwteen 15-20 and free. find a single other game thats still being updated that does this.
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No… gw2 when I bought it wasn’t advertised as buy for early access, or wait and play for free… I paid for content of worth, under the understanding that you HAD to buy to play, as THAT is what it was advertised as. you say I could have waited and got it for free, but lets be realistic, who ever thought gw2 would be given out free, the devs certainly never so much as even eluded to such a thing at release. Now they are telling me that content is actually worthless, but because I wanted to play when it was released, too bad, I should have waited, I have to pay. people are fond of used car references, but what company gives out a old used mustang, completely updated and matained for free so long as you buy the new stereo they put in there???
Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
We are not getting less than new players.
Less value for our money >.>
Nope. The extra value you get over new players is the amount of time you’ve spent ingame while you have owned the game and they haven’t.
+ all the 40 updates + log-in rewards (wich stays exclusive to B2P)
No, all they have to do is buy the lastest expansion and they get all those 40+ updates for free. and as for the amount of time we spend playing the game, they don’t regulate that, we are paying for the opertunity to play, not for each and every hour we play, that’s why its buy to play and not subscription. however much we do or don’t play has nothing to do with the cost. otherwise someone who can only play once a week should have to pay less than someone who plays every day if we follow your reasoning. we pay to play, and howmuch we play is up to us, its not attached to the deal. so it has no relevence.
Did someone who paid $50 to buy the game new upon release and then $50 more for hearts of thorns as soon as it came out and then stopped playing three months after that get more value for their money then someone who didn’t buy it until after heart of thorns was released, and paid $50 for twice as much content and played it for 6 years then after? should he get a refund because he didn’t play as much, because following your reasoning, he paid for his time to play, but didn’t use that time?
We pay for the game, not our time, your arguement is invalid
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Is same reason why when you buy a car brand new and then 3-4 years later you sell it you are lucky if you even get half the price for it that you paid when you bought it, products devalue over time
No, its not the same at all. When you buy a used car, you pay for the car and everything attached to it(which if you’re paying less then half the original value, problably hasnt been that well maintained and regulated), you don’t buy a new, just released, state of the art sterio and get the regularly updated and well maintained finely serviced car with all the lastest upgrades for free, which is essensually what gw2 is offering.
What is it about this expansion that makes people forget that prices go down over time?
I paid $60 for the game and enjoyed it for 3 years. Someone who downloaded the somewhat restricted free version yesterday got to play it for a day. You pay more earlier and you get to enjoy it for longer. I paid $40 for GW1 Complete and enjoyed it for less time than someone who bought all four releases at their original prices. If you want to pay less for a lot of content, wait. That’s what I do for a lot of games. I got Skyrim Legendary Edition for $30 for example.
Products will so on sale, and the value with drop with time. but there is a difference between becoming worth less, and becoming free, even now gw1 is worth like $20 per expansion if you buy it sepertely, and their is a deal with great savings if you buy it all in a pack. same with other mmos like WoW, but to give everything except the latest expansion for free invalidates all our purchases, that’s saying we paid $100 for product worth $0. I don’t have a problem with deals and sales, even their plan to give everything except the lastest expansion to new players for free is fine with me, the only problem is that the equation tips completely in the favore of new players, giving them amazing deals while offering nothing for loyal vets in return. favoring one player base over
Another is a bad idea, period.
Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
We are not getting less than new players.
Less value for our money >.>
Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
This is… my family owns six coppies of the base game, and currently three coppies of HoT, eventually it will be six coppies of heart of thorns, and then six coppies of the next expansion, and 6 of the one after that, 4 expansions into the future, we will have bought the game 6*5=30 times, at a price of roughly $50 an expansion, that’s an ecumulated total of 30*50= $1,500. the new busness model is great for new players so they don’t have to face a pay wall, but what about vets like me. someone who starts playing after 4 expansions only has to pay $50 for the four expansions and core, that I had to pay $250 for the exact same amount of content. how is this fair? why do I face long term pay wall, and new players no paywall at all? what about loyalty to customers? I appreciate how you fixed the heart of thorns sale by giving vets a free character slot, but I want to know what you’ll do for future expansions, because my family is by no mreans rich, so if we’re gonna pay $1.5k for 4 expansions, that a new family of six who joins after forth expansion pays only $300, there NEEDS to be some deal for vets! a cheaper price on the expansion, character slots, gems, skins, I don’t care what it is, but I want to know that you’re going to compensate vets for future expansions just like you did with HoT, because this new business model one-sidedly serves new players while saying, screw you to vets.
I agree, much larger, more open, less junky, still has a hint of old LA boat style, more homes, honestly old LA didn’t feel like a city cause there were so few buildings, more fortified for lore, and great modern art interpretation, absolutely blew my mind