Guild Wars 2

Ironvos.9014:

I’d like to say i’m relieved to see RoS doesn’t steamroll over the T8 servers.
It was just impossible to guess your real strength from the T9 statistics cause a T6 or T1 server would get just the same scores there anyway.

Thats not really a big deal since they are fighting UW not some tiny tier servers. GH and CoF had half the guilds UW did so could never move up, RoS has more than UW now but RoF is still the same so they cant steamroll us as easily as GH did to RoF in the same situation

Ilesyt.7084:

UW guys are camping at the invulnerability spot at vale >_> in RoS BL.
What’s worse there are thiefs in there and they just run back to safety when they can’t get it.
So annoying.

Irony, when something we learnt from your server gets used against you ha.

I didn’t even know these spots existed till RoS used them on this match up, is it just a buggy spot?

Darkkist.5412:

ROF has huge potential just 1 or 2 strong guilds to join us would be most welcome and then we can work hard together to instal this server up the rateings!

Darkkist

Sorry to be a pain :P but all servers say the exact same ha
I know that and I am still convinced that if I had 2 or 3 new small guilds of 50 or more on underworld we would be able to slaughter ranik :P

Anyway I came here to organised some GvG sometime this next week is there a time where you don’t have any alliance events? hopefully one of your days won’t clash with one of the 5 underworld alliance wvw nights so we can organise some Guild vs guild :/

Anyway I will be starting up a gvg / 1 on 1 duelling club anyone interested is welcome to contact me when WvW has slowed down

Moloch.8013:

guys you must hear that.
one of my guildmates has been banned because some underworld noobs have reported him for cheating… but he was only using ENDURE PAIN!
LOL
you didn’t even distinguish between an hack and a legit game skill?

edit:
THIS is cheating
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f7djLOTj7Y
(as mesmer i suck a lot, i know)

They don’t ban people based off just reports from players, they look at data too.

LOL

But seriously accusing a server of been noobs for reporting someone they think cheated and Anet banned for cheating says more about and your friend I imagine.
If the ban wasn’t justified he will be unbanned, otherwise he cheated. its stupid to flame a server for reporting someone they actually think its cheating… what’s the alternative? don’t report anyone?

We use it for dueling mainly, its easier to organise GvG with this.

We don’t need a theme, we have a charge and even footage of an epic charge I led against a charr horde to free the polar bear nords enslaved by the cruel FS zerg.

Notice the leopards, we have like a billion rangers.

xilius.7890:

Well Phoenix u can always join us

I have the largest guild on underworld and we have… 16?+ alliance guilds, at least 5 are close to mines size :P

your server doesn’t have the space for even half of us ha would be impossible for us to move :O

Also we have a cooler name haha

If you had had this match up for like a month I would understand but this is how WvW works… Gunnars had 300 new wvw players this week so of course they have more points this week, they will move up and you will be fighting RoS and UW next week. Ros will be stronger than gunnars though

itsmee.7536:

xilius.7890:

I would like that Phoenix we could like make a big cirkle and do 1v1’s and also ofcourse GvG would be awesome to have the change because if we both end up against RoS we gonna need the fun to boost morale

You could always count us in! We have many ppl who are always eager to duel and we’ve had a lot of fun dueling NP before, as well as few guilds from Dzg.

Sounds fine with me, shame you guys will me moving up to a tier where dueling is impossible :/

I guess thats a perk of lower tiers, you have enough empty space to actually be creative, the higher you go the more likely a random group of idiots will kill all of your dueling players

xilius.7890:

Eventhough i’m sad to see the chance of NP leaving RoF i still have to say that the server who has the luck of recieving NP will get a group of fun players and a team that brings a unique and very effective style into wvw. You may not see them all the time on the map but you’ll notice when they are

NP as the peacekeep I salute to you
as a commander you have my respect
as a friend you have my thanks

Hopefully our bid for them to join Underworld is successful, they can join us in our GvG matches against RoF so they won’t move to far away

Also means we have more familiar players in our tier, the blacktide guys can go back up and leave us play for fun guys down here to duel and enjoy ourselves :P

Although I understand why your alliance declined to speak to the Underworld alliance about moving to a larger alliance I imagine we will be stuck fighting each other for a very long time after next week :P

If we get stuck I will probably start a wvw dueling club if your alliance is interesting in some organised fights between servers.

ErraticFaith.9142:

The server is a disaster, there’s good reason why most people quit. Its far far from better lol.

Obvious troll is obvious haha

The last time any alliance guild left the server was Rage, and that was a 20 man guild around 2 or 3 months ago.

If most people quit we wouldn’t have improved in wvw each week to overtake Ranik a server that came from the higher tiers and originally trounced us.

Immolator.5640:

Heheh good to see you lot still fighting, a hat tip to Rob Fenwick, if you remember me

I think the main reason we as a guild were swayed towards moving from Underworld was the WvWvW environment, there were so many trolls, being unreasonable, trying to make life difficult and undermining every order/suggestion, etc. etc., also no one seemed willing to place siege weapons, to bother escorting Dolyaks, to settle their differences and work together, and a certain Russian was involved and jumped the gun. :P

Pretty sure from what I’ve read above that most all of this has been sorted out, and Underworld seems to have come a long way since I first stepped into the WvW battlegrounds at BWE1, and after my guild left a couple months after release

As a guild I like to think we’ve come far as well, about 30 [WvW] on TS for operations, rallying the server to TS, think most people we got was 63 at one point, mass organisation is very much effective! I think we’ve established ourselves as one of the more dominant large guilds on our Server, and gone on a journey into many different tactics, organisation, etc. it’s going well I think, despite recently a dispute that occurred, a little exaggerated and dramatic to my mind, but there you go

Anyways just wanted to say hi to you guys, probs don’t know who I am, but UW used to be the only Server for me, and I consistently wanted to return subsequent to moving, however was halted by the opinions of the other guilds that transferred, of which we are the only ones still active and going strong

What about you guys, how have you been doing in the last few months? When did ÅÅ transfer? O.o and how’s the general server attitude nowadays, improved or the same?

Probably not the right place to put it, but again just wanted to drop in and say hi, for those who aren’t thinking who the hell is this guy.

It seems it took me maybe 2 or 3 weeks to solve pretty much all of the problems the old alliance had. I changed how the alliance worked and we managed to move back up a tier or two.

We have being doing pretty well to be honest, although the servers around us have had transfers from higher up which is something of a pain

you should honestly move back We have a strong alliance now, we share a 500 man server teamspeak and have a forum. Also we are getting mentored from some Tier1 guild leaders who wanted to share some of the knowledge.

Gandara is probably great, but Underworld is your home :P

Alliance capes would be nice for everyone but charr and norn, backpacks or standards on there backs would suit those characters though

Wait a week and we will be green, wvw works in a way that if noone loses or the servers above and below you don’t really change in population you kind of get stuck

Svarty.8019:

pejot.4806:

Oh dear, I must say these news really made me sad.

NP are not only disciplined and coordinated force, but also bunch of really nice people I always liked to play with.

I hope you will eventually change your minds as it would be great loss for RoF.

If you decide to transfer, I wish you good luck finding new home

Screw NP, we want even more nice people like you on GH! Come over while it’s free!

That’s probably a bad way to recruit NP on their thread 0_o

Send over any guilds who wanted to join you to Underworld please :P

Those blacktide movers have messed up the lower tier wvw :P

you guard mesmer bodies. if the bodies are guarded then the thief cant rez its as simple as that.

The perma thieves are pretty much useless in combat, they can just stealth.

Victory.2879:

Quote: you effectively get perma stealth but its easy to counter

Rubbish. If it was ‘easy to counter’ then the OP would be countering it.

You cannot counter what you cannot see, if you cannot see it how are you supposed to know it’s there?

Try spending 15 minutes running around Hills trying to track down something that is invisible and can move faster than you then come back and tell us how much you enjoyed it.

Even a backstabbing noob thief can hide effectively inside the keep as their mobility allows them to escape even when seen.

Players shouldn’t have to be forever throwing aoe all over the place just on the off chance it actually hits the thief (in any situation).

Until they fix stealth so that it slows you down (you know, STEALTHY instead of completely invisible at mach 10) thiefs will continue to be completely OP and broken in wvw.

Lets try this again from a more tactical view.

You are chasing thieves, who can’t actually get people inside a base even if they are inside and invisible so why chase them for 15minutes?. You should camp the mesmer body instead since thats the target he needs to get to, he has to come to you and if the body is gone then he is useless.

If you catch a thief he is lower in dmg and stats than you and has less skills he can use to defend himself, if you net him he cant stealth away and run, if he shadow refuges you aoe the circle and he loses stealth

You can see him put down AoE rings to stealth, every 4 seconds at the most he has to put another down so its easy to spot where he is going.

I can kill thieves on characters half the level of those thieves they are so messed up in traits and skills.

Tactics solve all problems.

Some of the best fights I remember were UW Vs RoF :P

Its a shame but I honestly think our two servers need to make one super server to have any chance of stopping those blacktide reinforced servers :/

Have you considered Underworld? we have fought before, we have a large english speaking alliance, a server teamspeak and a forum. Since those kitten blacktide guilds have ruined the lower tier WvW we should all unite together and make a better server a few tiers above where you are right now.

We won’t consider you bandwagoners since the servers around us recently got an unfairly large influx of players from blacktide which really ruins the balance down in our tiers. So guilds like yours will help restore the balance

We are currently a few ranks higher than where you are now too so you still get the benefit of low queues but organised roaming wvw

If you are organised and want to join an alliance that loves roaming guild tactics you are completly welcome with us, I actually prefer guilds like yours since I like to set up scout, stealth and roaming parties all over the map which in my opinion is much more fun than follow the zerg :P

We had a party in the enemy spawn yesterday by sneaking in :P haha was a lot of fun

Have you guys actually tried perma stealth thieves?

It forces you to waste 40 points in traits in lines that give toughness boosts or boon duration then to make 2 of your 3 utility skills to be stealth based not damage.

you effectively get perma stealth but its easy to counter, you have less damage and its easy to mess up and die.

Learn to counter instead of whining about a class you know nothing about :/ sigh you can even see where hes been because it requires him to put down combo fields all the time

you guys are terrible… I swear most of you havent tried a thief. To get perma stealth you need to put on D/P which is a lower damage combonation compared to the rest as well as putting at least 2 of your utility skills to be stealth skills

Stealth lasts 3 seconds without traits and 4 with. The only way I can stealth more is by putting down a Shadows refuge and staying in an aoe that you can see and spam into.

Stealth isn’t op at all when you learn how to defend against it. Most thieves ive killed were terrible at it too, on my level 41 thief ive killed level 80s because I know how stealth works so can counter it.

Less whining more strategy.

attacking an enemy spawn does nothing for your team as you cant hurt anything so no point complaining about that either

The problem I have with these moves is that you helped 2 bottom tier servers with enough forces to screw up everyone above for maybe the higher 2 or 3 tiers depending how high you move up

If you had just moved to one server then it would only be blackgate swapping with a low tier server but now you will probably force half of the guilds in the lower few tiers to jump servers this weekend.

Wanze.8410:

It would be interesting to see, if you can kill the Breakout Commander (Siegerazor) and if he can be rezzed or just respawns. How long is the respawn time? Because that could actually influence the flow of play, if you kill the enemy commander before he starts the breakout event and takes a couple of min to respawn.

ironically that could be a pretty interesting feature, if you could kill the breakout commander in an area where the defenders are invulnerable that would be impressive

Besetment.9187:

Phoenix.3416:

haha I just figured out how to do this and ran to the enemy spawn. its much harder than I realised due to so many guards.

I can’t hurt anyone since youre invunerable but merchants which can be revived I believe. I was more interested in what happens when you run into the portal at the enemy spawn :P

It takes you to Lion’s Arch or any of the Borderlands + Eternal. It puts you in your (correct) spawn location. Just in case you were wondering if you could invade another server’s Lion’s Arch or constantly portal between enemy spawn locations to quickly check if the party’s still banging.

If the NPC dies will it respawn? thats the only issue that could possibly be considered a exploit since you can’t do any other damage
This was posted back in november, wonder why they didn’t fix this sooner. We have dubbed this thief training :P

haha I just figured out how to do this and ran to the enemy spawn. its much harder than I realised due to so many guards.

I can’t hurt anyone since youre invunerable but merchants which can be revived I believe. I was more interested in what happens when you run into the portal at the enemy spawn :P

If the NPC dies will it respawn? thats the only issue that could possibly be considered a exploit since you can’t do any other damage

This was posted back in november, wonder why they didn’t fix this sooner. We have dubbed this thief training :P

Well this has now buggered up wvw for all of the lower tiers since the tier above GH was balanced pretty evenly.
RoF and WR will probably not do very well against Underworld when they drop since they were pretty balanced against the tier above.

The only way I can see this balancing out is if Blacktide drops past Underworld and down into the bottom tiers which basically swaps them with GH, otherwise this move will probably ruin wvw for a lot of people.

It basically pushes everyone down by 1 which means the 1st server on each matchup is a higher tier and has been for a while so will probably crush the others.

Last time we fought you guys were a proud group that wouldn’t move servers and didn’t ask others to move over. I know a lot of them will not have had a say in the matter but allowing a Russian Alliance on a British server seems like betraying your community for an easier win.

We would love some unusual timezone guilds to join us too, we seem to have a huge amount of players an hour or two before or ahead of london time, a few others around that would be a great help

Alliance guilds can apply for a teamspeak area on our server teamspeak for free as well as plenty of other benefits

Slamz.5376:

Phoenix.3416:

Even better! why don’t you send some US guilds to Europe?
If 100 Us players transferred to my server Underworld then hell they would make 1000x the difference they do man to man on a US server.

Honestly though, why don’t US guilds move here? I see a lot of your servers asking us to move then none of you moving yourselves.

Because of lag. We actually had a big Euro guild move to Ehmry at one point only to move away one week later because of the lag. Makes little sense for Euro to come to the US or vice versa.

Oceanic is different because there are no “Oceanic servers”. They must play on either Euro or US, and it seems a lot of them prefer US. Which is fine. Except they all pile into the same server, which results in that server running a +650 score all night with no real WvW going on because there is nobody for them to fight against.

If Oceanic players are on EU servers with no lag why would they move to US with lag by the same logic?

Tanks are in the lore, just because you dont think they are realistic doesnt make them outside of guildwars lore.

I would like a bit more automation on the map to be honest, maybe every so often the commander auto attacks with a few npcs from our home base so people stay on wvw to defend.

More commander features would be interesting, if we could direct where the npcs go such as the quaggans to attack one spot it would improve the possible tactics we had

Even better! why don’t you send some US guilds to Europe?
If 100 Us players transferred to my server Underworld then hell they would make 1000x the difference they do man to man on a US server.

Honestly though, why don’t US guilds move here? I see a lot of your servers asking us to move then none of you moving yourselves.

Marlinn.6428:

@Derms, yeah that battle was nice. It wasn’t easy commanding it but luckily I got alot of help and in the end it worked out and got the keep

This matchup in a nutshell; its Dz against FS. Sorry underworld but both servers focus fully on eachother, with you essentialy as bystander. During the day its +50 for dz, during the night its +50 for fs. I’m looking forward to this matchup next week, when nobody has vacation anymore, lets see how hardcore you guys at Dzagonur are

its more of a DZ attack UW while FS is already attacking UW.

Everyone UW sends a zerg to a spot to fight one, the other goes for the opposite side of the map. Last night I remember FS and DZ ignoring each other for hours while taking everything from our borderland, We can defend against one and lose everything to the other.

Isn’t an enjoyable match up, last week was much for fun

I started off with 20g worth of presents, I opened all of them and sold the sweaters and items which gave me 11g back, I repeated this over and over till I hit 1g remaining.
No bell, stupid amount of presents opened, and my finger is in pain from clicking so many times haha
as much as the bell could be annoying for some I think its unfair that its so rare so the only people who end up with it are the rich guys who farmed a stupid amount to save up. Most will buy it then save it for later and resell it at a higher cost
I actually wanted to learn to play it properly

Youre welcome to move your guilds over here :P Infact a US guild or two to take over night wvw and we would probably jump up a tier or two

If you don’t mind a lower tier WvW server consider Underworld, we have the best name :P

Also we have a pretty organised WvW alliance, a number of our commanders do night shifts and are always looking for US players to help out. I can give you more information if you’re interested

OchrisO.8450:

Phoenix.3416:

smiley.1438:

FS and UW only rely on numbers they dont seem to use any tactics at all

That’s an insult, we have over 100 players combined in voice coms when we have events, We have quantity and quality so naturally comments like that can only be taken as an insult.

The moderator seems to have targeted anyone mentioning the word cheating, so keep reports out of this thread. I got infracted for quoting a comment that said UW had cheaters so be careful.

This i not a insult to you guys, but NP has 35 members and everytime we show up to fight when win 95% of them and normale out maned 2:1, and i no a few guilds both in Fs and Uw that cant fight us but they are always good fights

Of course its an insult, you don’t see me boasting about how when I get my group on we took over your entire border easily outnumbered do you?

You haven’t mastered the concept of good sportsmanship yet I see.

Honestly guys you don’t seem to understand maths :/ If a server has thousands of players and you see one small group doing something stupid then it doesn’t mean everyone else falls into the same category… it just means there’s 5 players doing something stupid.

Come on guys… common sense.

smiley.1438:

FS and UW only rely on numbers they dont seem to use any tactics at all

That’s an insult, we have over 100 players combined in voice coms when we have events, We have quantity and quality so naturally comments like that can only be taken as an insult.

The moderator seems to have targeted anyone mentioning the word cheating, so keep reports out of this thread. I got infracted for quoting a comment that said UW had cheaters so be careful.

smiley.1438:

Yay, outnumbered again… Seriously, RoF needs alot more players.

The only good thing about being outnumbered is that we can lose with a happy smile. FS and UW only rely on numbers (like FS in overlook just a few mins ago), they dont seem to use any tactics at all most of the time while RoF uses the “Run-around-and-annoy-everyone-despite-of-being-outnumbered” tactic greatly

Oh, not to mention FS and UW dont seem to try to touch each other… yea, fighting an outmanned enemy is way easier.

I will remember this cheap comment later this week when I decide where we attack.
Honestly guys don’t be petty enough to insult the other teams, we are all having fun lets not start cheap bias attacks on each other.

I don’t play much on EB so I have no idea whats going on ha

If they are using bugs report them, we do the same when your guys cheat too.

UW is a PvE server so we have a lot of players doing Xmas events.

You will notice our population going up and down as we run alliance events, unfortunately our server is slow to adopt server wide leadership so its making it a bit harder to fill up the borderlands on weekends.

I’ve been thinking about it for a while and I think it needs looking into.
Currently the defenders are fighting 2vs1 in home territory, they have no advantage over the enemy forces but still have to fight 2vs1, this in your HOME land seems not only illogical but easymode for attackers.

Usually one Invading team attacks bay and the other hills, one of those bases gets lost as the defenders can’t beat them back 2vs1
Home borderlands should be easier to defend than to attack, defending should always give you a benefit over invading.

One possible would be to give defenders a bonus in their home land, such as stats/swiftness or allowing more players on to the map in there home borderland 25 – 50% cap more per defending team to allow them to at least slow down both teams at once.

I would also suggest giving defenders a bonus to supply, such as supply coming from the main base or from the top supply camp at triple the normal rate.
Possibly make walls and gates reinforced on reset too to prevent instant capping before everyone is logged in.

The map is also designed so both teams go north instead of crossing each others paths, so invaders usually ignore each other. It might make more sense to remove the towers at the bottom of the map and put one neutral tower in between both invaders areas in the ruins so they have to fight over the first foothold.

Solutions? Opinions?

Just for that zippy I might order an attack on Dzagnur :P

Its been a fun week guys. How about we have a Duel meet up sometime? where we have 1 on 1 fights somewhere?

Sounds great, if you can give me a heads up when you are sending scouting parties I can invite you to some events and so on

before Halloween underworld lost 10 of around 13 WvW guilds to Gandara. All of them between 200 and 500 player in size.

Fact is you’re basing your opinion off some PvE players and a one sided view of us fighting a server with a larger WvW population backing you up. You probably still have more WvW players than us and on friday you drop another tier.

Our alliance is still fairly new and still changing a lot, each week we were getting closer and closer to your points, another week or two and you would have lost to us even if the guilds had stayed.

Anyway this is just going to end up a flame war between rival servers.
Op I will private message you

Can I suggest that the OP gets a group together and enters voice com meetings with representatives from different servers? I am worried this thread will derail from bias views we all have as factions at “war” and not get anyone anywhere.

Views?

drkn.3429:

UW doesn’t have that many people – i mean, quite a lot for that tier, and yeah, they are disorganised and mainly so because of lots of small guilds that don’t really cooperate with each other, but they are far from ‘zerg’ server. I have some friends on UW, in 2 guilds – mostly PvE folks but they have organised several W3 outings lately; UW lacks coherence or coordination and is only so-so active during their primetime. There aren’t that many commanders either, making the zergs even less organised.

I have to ask where this information comes from, since its pretty much rubbish.

Underworld has large scale organised, voice comm events most nights of the week. We have more commanders then we have guilds in the Alliance, and the alliance is easily over 15 guilds by now. My guild has 2 commanders and some of the other alliance guilds are going towards 3 + now, most have at least 1 commander too. Several of those commanders lead WvW Daily for hours on end so I’m somewhat not impressed with this fiction, those commanders do a dam good job.

I believe last week at an event fighting Gunnar’s Hold we have over 7 commanders online, in voice coms communicating with all of the guilds involved during an event night.

At this point I think its fair to say the largest guilds of underworld are either in the alliance, cooperate with the alliance or don’t do WvW.

Ironically we managed to end our last game less than 20k behind Gunnar’s Hold which you’re from while KISS was still on the server, since you came down from the higher tiers that says a lot.

What underworld lacks is a night team, like most lower tier servers the night time is the decider on what rank you are.

Wow this thread has a lot of posts :P I got lost trying to see if anyone from our server had already replied.

I’m the Forces of Grenth Alliance founder on Underworld, we are the main alliance of the server with somewhere between 11- 20+ guilds on the roster all varying from size ( I have been away a week so ive fallen behind in updates :P )

We have a 500 man server wide teamspeak for everyone to use as well as a new forum for the community.

A number of guilds are very dedicated to WvW and even carved up our home borderlands into areas that there guild pay for base upgrades on each day. We also have larger scale alliance events several times a week ( over 4 nights) where a large portion of the alliance meet up, decide on a target and take over as much land as we can

Its not uncommon to see over 100 voice com enabled and coordinated from many alliance guilds joining events every time.

Any questions? don’t hesitate to ask, I can always arrange or a meeting with the other guild leaders if you’re interested as we are a democracy.

Sigh, You know what’s annoying? I sent them screenshots of my player AT the event, you can even see me talking in the chat area and somehow after all of this im not in the script?