Guild Wars 2

LOL, omg what were they thinking? Those banners look awful… they look like someone stabbed your character from behind with a flag pole, or a flag was sticking out the back of your character’s pants?…

No thank you, I won’t be purchasing those any time soon. I was so waiting for something like that, but they’ve made them look so dumb lol… A simple cape or sash would of been fine and even cool, I enjoyed the capes in GW1.

No thank you :P

Anvil rock is the unofficial spvp server. Many of the people interested in Spvp flocked there and popularized it as so during the launch of the game and thus it has since become exactly that. That’s why

Lol, sorry to say good sir but, thief downed state is one of the best. Stability cancels most classes. If you’d rather be thwarted by stability which almost everyone has on their bar, like almost every other class, be my guest.

Not always, an equal skill D/D ele usually stalemates. If they can’t win, they’ll just run, and good luck catching that.

Well, that’s the issue, I kill people doing that too. My friend has all his gear exotic on his ele, and does consistent 6k crits, sometimes lesser etc, but you get the idea.

Its a very powerful build, too powerful I believe, because people who aren’t legitimately good players are forgiven for mistakes, and allowed to recover many many times. Every time I see a thief make a mistake, hes glassy so that he dies in seconds usually, save for the good thieves. Mesmers… ehh they’re a nightmare tbh, but I don’t think they’re overpowered, just a top tier class that Anet made well, if not one of the only ones.

I dunno, Maybe I just find it easier then most, but the setup strikes me as a very easy and rewarding play style, where I feel very safe and untouchable. God knows what ele or any classes will be like in a years time for that matter lol.

The easiest way to learn how to beat a thief is to make one, then observe how others beat you, and repeat+ learn from it.

TheGuy.3568:

PistolWhip.2697:

I’m fairly sure you’re the one who’d brag. Judging from your childish behavior to my whispers and the way you generally carry yourself. I’d merely take your loss on board and try to find someone else with a warrior build which can take out a average D/D player.

I politely asked you for a duel, you called me a troll, I have the screens to back this up, and your screens back this up too. You asked me my critical damage in WvW, I gave you two setups, accidentally forgetting to clarify I meant two different setups which I said afterwards. 1023 means its very possible to still have a high attack, due to WvW bonuses, and spread of stats.

8K is very possible with a D/D ele specced more damage oriented but still generally bunker. Fire grab is a high damage skill when they are burning, I don’t see why this is such a surprise.

I asked you once again politely to prove your claims, more out of interest then anything then when you started insulting me I felt the need to expose you. If you can’t back up your claims don’t make them. I’m done with you, you’re hereby blocked and I kindly request you don’t respond to me until you can actually feasibly prove what you say instead of calling me a troll and stop coming up with excuses for why your “awesome warrior build” can’t kill D/D ele.

Spvp has a spread of lesser stats. Condition damage is reduced, retaliation is reduced, crit damage has a cap. There are many things that effect both parties. If your warrior can’t beat a D/D ele in a controlled environment made for equal footing like spvp, then it goes to further prove how broken D/D specs are. Thanks for reading! Have fun in the future far away from me.

Sigh..if you pester me while I am trying to play I will block you period. But lets simplify this. Since you seem to misunderstand. Yes, I talked down to you I felt no need to respect you. 7 months and you are the first person to pester me while I was in game over a forum post. Everyone else has the good sense to just send a pm. I said that I think duels are pointless yet you persisted. And persisted. You have the chat logs I refused and you continued to spam me. What did you expect I would do?

There is no losing or winning on forums people talk and that about. If you had just left it alone in the first place there would have been no reason to respond.

The funny thing is you call me childish yet you ran to forums to attack me personally even though I chose not to bother as it made no sense. How can I possibly respect someone who acts like that?

I don’t have to prove a thing to you. I don’t have to duel you. I don’t even have to convince you since I play both classes. The funny thing is the one really upset by all this is you. I don’t have to do a kitten thing the least of which is respect you.

8k fire grabs do not happen on Bunker builds unless you are fighting an upscaled. Bunker builds do not focus crit damage on ele. You inflated the numbers End Of Story!

Btw stop threatening you have screens I quoted the screens in my last post (you have yet to). Post them or stop mentioning them if you are trying to prove a point. Also you are under the assumption that your opinion actually matters to me. Sadly it doesn’t. Fact is you will continue this until you feel you have proved something to me (you won’t numbers are on my side). You will demand a duel (you will never ever get it. even if I was 100% sure I would win nope not happening). You end game is a fruitless forum war where the thread gets locked and there is no resolution. Do you get it I don’t actually care. I’ll post forget about it check back in 20 hours or I will never post on this topic again. Either way enjoy.

To sum it up 8k fire grabs are not the norm on bunker DD. A generic Sw-Sh/GS build with bull charge will give you enough mobility to keep up with or out run most DD ele builds (sans fGS). DD ele burst is weak, slow, and highly telegraphed any experienced player can easily avoid it. Warrior is not OP or FOTM in WvW its just a popular class. THE END.

Wow man, chill. Lol, I just asked to duel, some people enjoy that in-game :P
You could of just said no, no need to insult me.

Well, since you can’t prove any of this in-game…Eh… I’ll just let it be Have fun, I hope you find a spec that can beat D/D ele.

I’m glad we could come to a conclusion to agree to disagree.

I stated that due to the sustainable healing, I was able to do far more damage. You can do both, maybe its hard for you as a player but others with a higher skill cap can.

Anyway, all you do is nitpick at what I say in literal terms and semantics, and ignore any evidence.

Enjoy your Op spec while it lasts. /Thread.

I dunno, I think dual pistols would be awesome. Imagine a caster with dual pistols and elemental bullets :O!

Then would you say that I’m spiking down opponents faster due to the other traits indirectly, as in, more healing power means I can stay on the offensive longer etc?

Due to a constant sustain I mean.

To be fair, if other classes could, I think they’d run too. As proven by D/D ele’s.

Guardians can some times make it out if they can out tank your damage, etc etc Lol

It does. I cannot explain why, but the in the matches I’ve played since yesterday I’am doing more damage… It could be that I get very lucky with my crits. The reasons aren’t clear to me. It could be the constant Fury up keep which is in any D/D build usually making my crit chance 32% for most of the fight?

Either way, we’ll have to see what Anet decides, no matter what you or I think, its what they think that defines what happens. :/

I’ve had to say this like, 4 times now, if you guys can’t read, don’t post.

Cleric’s+ Valkyrie’s does more damage then Soldier’s +Cleric’s…Shocker! Please read things before making stupid posts.

But isn’t stealth the worst in spvp? Thieves can’t cap anything because unless they are specced to purely evade stealth can’t cap anything… They are the most useless in higher tier tpvp…. I dunno, I can’t understand it.

Well it seems its all down to personal experience because honestly Vayle I’ve had the direct opposite.

My guardian survives way longer than my warrior, using mostly healing power and boatloads of passive regen, and he’s not even full bunker.

Anyway, it’s all down to how you personally play

I mean most people say Guardian is support, tanky etc, I run my guardian DPS oriented and am planning to go very glassy in the future. I love that damage

I used to main thief for about 3-4 months….The rest of your post I don’t understand, my apologies?

Could you clarify for me?

TheGuy.3568:

PistolWhip.2697:

I whispered TheGuy, asked for a duel politely (have screenies), he called me a troll. After a discussion where I tried to get him to give me any proof, he blocked me and refused to duel me or do anything to prove his claims. Sounds like almost every other person claiming this spec is ok. This discussion if off topic though and has gotten out of hand, and for that I apologize Style.

As per your original post, I still think its conceptual. People just like the idea of a warrior imo, and most people play this game for fun, to be what they want :P Not for in-depth hardcore game play. Warriors can have a great effect on zerg v zerg with their cc and offensive style support, but they’ve always been like that, its not a FoTM thing

Ok I did not run here and post screens which I have also. I take great offense to being pestered in game. I don’t do it. I don’t send tells to anyone in game intruding on their gaming. If I have something to say that requires further discussion there are PMs in the forum already.

That being said I am not a child and have nothing to prove. You asked me for duel I pointed out to you that we aren’t matched up as servers this week and dueling would be pointless and if you win you would feel a need to brag if and I win I wouldn’t really give a kitten. You pester me more and tell me to come to Spvp. I tell you my build isn’t really meant for that and that we were talking about WvW.

Here’s the kicker. My main complaint to you was that you over inflated numbers for a bunker DD. When I told you where my crit damage fell to in spvp you said and I quote, “15% crit? The cap is only 62% (must have misread), Plus my ele drops from 72%” I ask you what type of bunker ele has 72% crit you respond with that you do run 0 10 0 30 30 and how much spike you get. You even say “Even PvT…FULL gear, or cleric’s as a friend of mine ran hits for 4k” I respond “4K is not 8K”.

I go on ask you what your healing power is at you say “1026” so I ask you “so your saying you runnign bunker with 72% crit damge and 1000k healing?” My typing is atrocious when kitten off I correct 1000k to" 1k*" in the next line. You go on to say “no, I change my setup from time to time” more banter ensues and I already stopped listening.*

I said you inflated bunker DD’s dps and as I expected you did. What more needed to be said. You bothered me with your bull kitten and you got blocked the same I would do to anyone bothering me in game over forum bs when I was clearly right. What do you want an apology? What worse is you come to forums like a kitten to kitten about issues I considered over. I didn’t post and there wasn’t a need to at first.

So tell me I am wrong in description of our conversation. Tell me you didn’t inflate bunker DD numbers.

Like I said before there are builds within warrior to counter DD bunker in WvW we never talked about spvp and the topic doesn’t pertain to that. Also if you insist on trolling over DD head to the ele forums this isn’t the place for that. I am not even sure you play warrior so why are you here?

Are we done now?

I’m fairly sure you’re the one who’d brag. Judging from your childish behavior to my whispers and the way you generally carry yourself. I’d merely take your loss on board and try to find someone else with a warrior build which can take out a average D/D player.

I politely asked you for a duel, you called me a troll, I have the screens to back this up, and your screens back this up too. You asked me my critical damage in WvW, I gave you two setups, accidentally forgetting to clarify I meant two different setups which I said afterwards. 1023 means its very possible to still have a high attack, due to WvW bonuses, and spread of stats.

8K is very possible with a D/D ele specced more damage oriented but still generally bunker. Fire grab is a high damage skill when they are burning, I don’t see why this is such a surprise.

I asked you once again politely to prove your claims, more out of interest then anything then when you started insulting me I felt the need to expose you. If you can’t back up your claims don’t make them. I’m done with you, you’re hereby blocked and I kindly request you don’t respond to me until you can actually feasibly prove what you say instead of calling me a troll and stop coming up with excuses for why your “awesome warrior build” can’t kill D/D ele.

Spvp has a spread of lesser stats. Condition damage is reduced, retaliation is reduced, crit damage has a cap. There are many things that effect both parties. If your warrior can’t beat a D/D ele in a controlled environment made for equal footing like spvp, then it goes to further prove how broken D/D specs are. Thanks for reading! Have fun in the future far away from me.

killahmayne.9518:

Warriors relying on a food for 90% of their sustain is pretty silly.

Correct!

killahmayne.9518:

Even if all classes have access to it it is like trying to justify hacking by saying “well, its fair game because everybody else is hacking”.

That’s a bad example. You aren’t breaking any rules or cheating by using an available in-game service. Its like in a first person shooter such as Planetside 2 a gun being available, you can use it if you want, not use it if you don’t. A much better comparison.

killahmayne.9518:

It needed to be addressed, having a single food being the begin all/end all of sustainability issues is dumb. .

Indeed…That’s the issue… It’s not been addressed. Warriors still have sustainability issues, they just have even more so now.

killahmayne.9518:

, it means that both: the food was OP and that the Warrior is lacking something that this food covered very nicely.

Something available to all classes is hard to coin as OP. Food buffs in general seem very powerful, such as 10% crit damage and 100 precision? That goes a long way. Some foods lack anything useful while others have insane buffs. This food, yes I agree, helped warriors cover their faults because Anet failed to, why is that so wrong?

The food nerf wasn’t the issue, its that as you put it nicely, Warrior is LACKING something, and the food was a way players cleverly found to compensate.

On a side note: Why are so many people so critical of glass cannon builds? Its a viable way to play too, its a tactic. Maximizing damage is a choice that any of us can make and shouldn’t be penalized for when its down to solo play, I dislike this stigma. Should I tell people to go play something else if they play bunker now?

Moira, would you say you’re a good thief? Just out of curiosity?

Lol its not possible to do more damage with your setup? It has outright 5% CritDamage. Stop trying to dismiss my findings. If you aren’t bothering to test your claims and I am, thank me or have the courtesy to stop replying. I’,m done with this thread, too many players relying on the crutch which is D/D ele right now, thankfully Anet is planning to nerf. I just cant wait to see what band wagoners do when they are nerfed. Maybe we’ll actually see some skilled play like Madspin

Thank you, I appreciate the kind words but I think its more so mechanic. Like I said, Guardian is Anti-melee to the teeth, or at least the build I run, Sword Focus shuts down a lot of melee. Heck I just use focus 5 and unload on a thief most of the time shutting down their burst while they take mine lol.

Most of the people who complain about thieves have personal L2 kitten ues, or extremely bad luck (connection+terrain etc).

The Omnom food nerf was one of the silliest ones made. Not only did it shut down all roaming capabilities of warriors, or at least the meta of it, but it was something any class could access, making it fair game. I didn’t even use it, and I think it was fine.

They made another comment about how they still wanna nerf it after I believe. Cool down of Ride the Lightning post video. That, or they meant they would buff thieve’s mobility. Either way, its a welcome change

Sunflowers.1729:

Asomal.6453:

Thieves are the second worst pvp class in the game, just ahead of warriors. If you think they are somehow OP, low risk/high reward, I suggest you L2P. I know it sounds harsh, but someone had to say it, I’m tired of this nonsense since September 2012.

/thread?

@edit

About WvWvW balance, gtfo. It was never meant to be balanced in the first place.

I do agree that thieves suck in sPvP, but this isn’t because they are somehow underpowered, it’s just how thieves are designed.

Is it a wonder to anyone that a mobile class designed to engage and disengage at will, is bad at standing in small circles? Stealth doesn’t work in sPvP for capping. If you can’t beat someone in sPvP, you lose the point (in WvW, you just run away so nobody wins).

And as for your point about WvW balance, where do you think the 4s revealed debuff came from? Certainly not because thieves are amazing at sPvP. It’s a game mode that loads of people play, even more than sPvP. Why shouldn’t it be balanced?

Edit: When people say high reward low risk it usually refers to WvW. Believe it or not a lot of people like to play in there.

The irony is, people complaining about ‘perma-stealth’ in most cases meant chaining CnD with timing. That revealed increase does nothing to change that xD, go Anet!

(I think 3 seconds revealed was fine, heck, thieves are easy to begin with).

Thieves are meant to be the best at getting away yes, and regardless of what anyone says they are good at escapes. Sadly D/D is arguably better, when it shouldn’t be, but Anet is addressing that soon (or so they say <_<).

I wouldn’t mind if thieves got a buff tbh, its easy badges and the easiest class i face in wvw as a Guardian. Being a class built around anti-melee it makes sense, I’ve literally had it where thieves couldn’t land 1 back stab on me before in a 5 minute fight. Blocks and dodges galore, even really high dps warriors pose more of a threat. Actually they have a lot of pressure, deadly strikes, thieves not so much.

Anet, please buff thieves, coming from a guardian :P

For anyone wondering why I wan’t it harder to beat, is for youtube. I want to start making videos of WvW action, more so for entertainment then skill showing or boasting etc, with good well placed effects, but every fight I get into with a thief is a steam roll where they die with me popping hardly any cool downs, or where they play so defensive I don’t pop anything but we both get bored and leave <_<. That doesn’t make for good media.

Well, they have other cool specs and builds. I run a balanced Healing power oriented guardian with emphasis on critical chance, I like the versatility. One thing though, I’m still trying to find a way to beat mesmers Its hard on a guard.

Ahh yes, its refreshing to see S/D ele’s who know their stuff. D/D is too overplayed, easy and forgiving. S/D is far more respectable and a great setup! Its balanced and fair and requires thought. I like your videos and find your content fun hence why your on my friend list and hope to make some myself of another class in the future, quite possibly my guardian, till then, keep dunking!

The problem isn’t survivability. The problem is Survivability, but also decent damage (my friend hit three 5-6k crits consistently on a ranger yesterday using his D/D ele, which can also tank 4-5 people who aren’t upleveled, which he did in front of me.

Also the best mobility in the game, which Anet themselves have said needs to change, as thieves should have that trophy. So they are nerfing that aspect for sure. Bunker ele’s can’t kill other bunker builds, they can kill anything else. Other Bunker specs on other classes take so long to kill even glass cannon’s that its always dependent on how much the opponent wants to stick around fighting that bunker.

Ele’s aren’t bad themselves, they are a fun class which is made to be versatile. Or is intended to be so. The spec is cool and deserves praise for the power it can pack. Sadly, its TOO powerful. Too powerful because it offers all the benefits, with no sacrifices. The only thing I can see it sacrificing is full immense hit crit dps. That’s not a sufficient sacrifice imo.

You should roll Guardian The grass is greener on this side.

Are you sure BG doesn’t pile numbers? Everytime we came against them they had huge zergs comparable to Tier 1 standard when they were in Tier 2. I’ve only ever seen zergs that large twice, when i used to be on Henge of Denravi during launch, and when I fought BG…

Now, piling on superior numbers AND organisational tactics…Thats just… Eugh… Horrendous to think about.

Yes. I said in my original post however that I used PVT amulet and cleric’s jewel originally then tried yours, the more “bunker” option according to you and did more damage, noticeably. Reading comprehension.

That’s the thing though, every class should be able to spec into roaming alone and be able to hold their own.

Warriors can’t really do it as good as others right now. They are invaluable in teams yes, as they provide a lot of offensive support through CC and such, and combo well, but that’s not the issue.

But thats the issue, Bunker Ele’s can do too much. They can sustain and survive as good as guardians, are more mobile then thieves and harder to catch (many share this opinion, as many share the opposite) and do as much direct burst as a mid tier dps class thats specced more dps oriented. Anet understands that.

Me spamming buttons is playing perfectly? I don’t die on my D/D ele, ever. I’m a horrible ele.

You mean a glass cannon spec shouldnt be able to do damage? Survivable thieves only do about 4-6k backstab crits. If you can’t deal with that then…

If you read, I just said, Soldiers+Cleric’s. Read my post next time please.

S/D has no problems. its a high skill cap play which is fair. D/D is an OP spec that needs nerfing and rewards no skill play only difference there.

I’ve found that mesmer confusion bomb stacking is popular too, its really annoying and hurts

After just 5 minutes of testing, I do far more damage using haviz’s fully bunker build as opposed to a hybrid. That’s even more broken.

Yes, PVT is still a bunker amulet. Its meant for tankier specs. Some crit damage is put in there sure, so its not full bunker maybe acknowledged. Still, does ridiculous amounts of damage for all that survivability. I can use the same sort of trait setup+amulets+runes on my ele and guardian and compare the damage for you if you like? I mean, I just used my 20k health, 2.5-.2.6k toughness which is a lot for a clothy, D/D ele to spike, yes burst damage, a group of 3 in spvp alone. Arcane Wave+ring of fire does wonders, might stacking and burst and all.

I’m willing to bet our definitions for bunker may vary in extremities. I view anything specced for a higher value of survivability as a bunker spec, not full bunker but a bunker hybrid yes. This includes balance warriors+guardians+necros etc. I guess you view bunkers as the extreme. I’ll go use the amulet set up you suggested and post my findings.

Edit :Just realized I don’t even use a zerker jewel personally, meaning my damage could be even higher. Turns out I use a PVT Amulet with a Cleric’s jewel. I took your setup with a Cleric’s Amulet and valk jewel and received 5% more crit damage but way less hp in favor of healing.

That’s arguable but, I can see your point.

Well, to be fair. Guardians are Anti-melee. As a guardian I find it easy to fight warriors and thieves. Thieves especially are faceroll. That being said, I can’t kill a mesmer to save my life on guardian (Unless they are down right terrible) yet I can overpower them fairly quickly on my warrior, with all my mobile attack skills (1 whirlwind attack KOs happen a lot). I just think its a different niche. Guardians I believe were meant to tank out melee, hence all the blinds and blocks.

I’ve actually found the most pressure and hardest fights against full zerker warriors because even against my balanced guardian build i mostly run in WvW with 2.8-.2.9k toughness, they hit like trucks, forcing me to play way more defensively.

I don’t think warriors need super sustain, it would just make them lesser guardians with more dps. I think warriors need help definitely, but it needs to be something unique. Why not just make them full CC? Screw damage, I mean, thieves have that already and are more mobile to boot. Make the warrior have some condition removal+minimal sustain but a CC house, without janky movement controls like it does now. A better option then f1 burst skills (as much as I love eviscerate) would be stances. Make f1-f4 stance keys to switch in and out of stances to add more depth to warrior play, activating different stances for different situations like attunements on ele. Heck, add a trait that removes conditions on stance switch. That way, utilities can be more creative like, a Pull, or kick or stomp actually being used in niche situations.

These are my thoughts anyway.

I heard about the switch on TC to hammer warriors. Its silly, as in PiNK they justify it with “Warriors are more survivable in zerg fights than guardian”. Which is a flat out lie. Warriors can be an asset but, if you have too many in a zerg, watch them get steamrolled. Arguably, guardians have better CC for zergs, even if on longer CD’s because wards don’t have a limit of AoE. Anybody without stability will get caught in a ward, that could be 20 people at once. Staff+Hammer would just annoying as hell.

A balanced Zerg with hammer warriors, guardians and others could do wonders. Though to be frank, I prefer playing a GS zerker warrior in a pug unorganized zerg fights. If you pull out at the right time and reset and return, repeating this, you wont die, and 1 Whirlwind attack through their zerg downs most of the medium-light armor people. Lol, I mostly do this for fun rather than effectiveness personally though.

On my guardian I can take on anything but a mesmer. I’d love to set up a 1v1 in spvp with your friend on my guardian Unless he’s a mesmer Q.Q

I found on the contrary. Guardians are not only the only class to be required and irreplaceable in pve, but also top tier in pvp, and part of the meta in all parts of the game which is something no other class has save for mesmer. Its truly one of the best classes Anet has designed, making everything they spec into work in unison well. Dare I say, Guardian is one of the best classes, if not the best in-game, as an overall package anyway.

Pvp Wise, I seldom lose 1v1’s. Only a very good necromancer and mesmer pose a threat. I’ve only lost to a thief once in a 15 minute duel as a guardian. And I dont run full bunker xD, I had him close to death quite a few times, there’s just so much sustain.

As for the guild, I dunno man… seems a bit cheesy tbh :X

It means, he could do even more damage in WvW. Soldiers amulet is a bunker amulet. Its one among many with emphasis on survivability yes. Its not just the crit, look at that absurd spike. I wish I could spike like that on my bunker guardian on a glass. No way in hell.

In general, guardians only use burning. Condition Damage is mostly a waste. Burning does high amounts of damage anyway. Healing power is always good, but critical damage without precision wont really help seeing as Guardians have only 1 skill which provides fury on their bar at most times, and that’s only if they run shouts.

The stat spread doesn’t seem that good for a pure setup or guardian. In conjunction yes with knights maybe on a warrior? I can imagine a warrior using a mix of knight’s+those stats, if they focus on adrenal regen.

in Spvp where the crit damage is capped. Bunker Ele=Standard generic ele build, I hope you know that?

I dunno, I know a few mesmer that would give any D/D ele a run for their money.

I dunno, part of me really wanted to just see a warrior who could beat an ele. I’ve only seen one do that to a D/D, and he was amazingly good. The Best warrior I’ve ever seen.

Oh no, basically. He said he could beat any D/D ele easy on warrior and said it was a L2 kitten ue. I told him to try it against my D/D ele to prove his point as I feel even my own character is OP. He refused me, he’ll probably refuse you <_< I honestly didn’t even say anything rude. I just asked him

And yes, Anet has agreed its OP, I just dont know when the nerfs coming.

I whispered TheGuy, asked for a duel politely (have screenies), he called me a troll. After a discussion where I tried to get him to give me any proof, he blocked me and refused to duel me or do anything to prove his claims. Sounds like almost every other person claiming this spec is ok. This discussion if off topic though and has gotten out of hand, and for that I apologize Style.

As per your original post, I still think its conceptual. People just like the idea of a warrior imo, and most people play this game for fun, to be what they want :P Not for in-depth hardcore game play. Warriors can have a great effect on zerg v zerg with their cc and offensive style support, but they’ve always been like that, its not a FoTM thing

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TheGuy.3568:

Read my sig what the first one there? Because obviously you are not reading as I said 30 in water is OP, but like I said you are not reading. Full bunker will not pull that sort of DPS get your head out the clouds and inflating things to sound cool. DD isnt OP. The dps isn’t. OP the only thing that’s OP in Spvp is the healing and in general the way cantrips and condition removal traits synergise. Now honestly I don’t give a kitten how long you have been playing DD check my post history I am deep so anything you say from now on referring to DD ele I will take with a grain of salt.

Now mind you in WvW you as warrior (I assume you play this class as these are the warrior forums) should be able to drop an ele. Your sustained will beat their healing unless they are pure bunker in which case they won’t be doing must dps. Ele dps is joke as it is. You get caught up with the big hitting skills on long cool downss that any body who knows the class will just avoid. Fact is solo DD ele won’t survive a 2 on 1 vs good players or a 1 on 1 vs anyone with decent dps and knowledge of the class. Most of you whiners play it and get big heads and assume all parts of DD ele are OP.

Back to the topic Warrior still isn’t OP anywhere.

Yeah, its not like just yesterday for kicks me and my guildie took on 7 people alone and won, laughing as we ran off in disbelief at how OP this spec was. Like I said, I dare you to face me on anything as my D/D ele. Bring your warrior, thats the easiest. Their terribly predictable and obviously telegraphed moves put down terrible DPS in the long run because most decent players can dodge/kite them.

Here’s a bunker ele
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHi3cExqOzY

I dare you to try getting those numbers on a Bunker Guardian. Bring any proof, I dare you, I’am willing to face you in-game at any time, I know what I’m typing is far closer to the truth then you are, and so does Anet, that’s why they are nerfing them over the next few months.

They have too much all in one build, its accepted by a lot of D/D ele’s and people outside in the pvp/wvw spectrum. People are actively abusing it for this reason. Maybe you just need to accept its not your “Uber Skills” getting you the victories in battles as a D/D ele, but the overpowered spec. I know I did as my D/D ele, I’m not afraid to admit it, but seems you are.

Like I said, I’m going to disregard your comments now, unless they have feasible and tangible proof as to what you’re saying or you bother to face me in a few duels, testing theories and concluding because I wholeheartedly admit that if you can prove anything to me in game, I’ll admit I’m wrong openly, I have nothing to lose, its a game.

Also, I was agreeing with you that water is OP, that’s why I put “But” after it, rather than just going into my point.

Such as one would go “Its a fact.” <—-“It is a fact, but you cannot etc etc.. bla bla”.

Just to clarify. Lol, I’d love to see you beat my D/D ele on a warrior, in fact, I’m so interested in your messed logic I’m adding you right now.

S/D isn’t a bad spec when played properly. See, this is the difference here, S/D actually requires some skill and know how and when you have it, can beat the classic faceroll OP D/D build. The build I posted trait wise was very general in arguments sense. As a S/D Ele time to time I ran 0/25/0/25/20. Don’t believe the S/D’s capabilities? Go watch ‘Aky’ fight on youtube, vs’ an amazing mesmer called Tsunkyr. D/D ele’s usually roll over and die to mesmers because they are so used to facerolling or escaping other things, the surprise and sudden bursts from mesmers eat through their defenses, where as, as seen in his videos, a well played S/D can do some amazing things, and deserves to do so.

These responses which really just come down to “Oh, you are obviously a bad player at ele, because you are doing better than everyone else”. Makes no sense. If the people posting here and describing the spec as being too easy it means 1 of two things. They are amazing Elementalists, or the build/spec is OP. I know its personally the latter for me.

Yeah, its stupid to use a Refuge near a zerg right? We’ll just use the other long periods of stealth to escape as a thief…Oh no! There is none! Fine, lets try just mobility, Oh no! Thieves can actually get CC’d to the ground and have no condition cleanse outside stealth and their main heal! (Save for the ever popular shadowstep, and good luck using it away from a zerg then returning to your original location closer to the zerg just to drop immobilize.) Even as small groups, my guild rolls face on thieves, only 1/10 gets away, and thats only if we give up chase because its just not worth it.

D/D ele’s on the other hand are seldom caught, I’ve seen them outrun thieves easy. Just yesterday, me and a guildie took our D/D ele’s we hadn’t played for 1-2 months, so we’re rusty, to WvW for the lols, to see if we’re wrong. We aren’t. We took on outnumbering odds frequently and won. When we were close to losing and their numbers got too large (2v7) We Rtl, lightning flash, perma swiftness, Rtl. Etc etc, and you can guess we always survived. Simply couldnt be done on a thief, and dont get me started on mesmer.

But I guess its all about the proof right? The facts? I dare any one of you to bring a thief, and lets see if you can escape even 3 people let alone a zerg, for kicks we can even try your mesmer. I’ll get on a D/D Ele, and escape upto 8+ people with ease alone, taking all the CC to the face and laughing. By the way my D/D ele has Green trinkets, and lvl 72 exotics. Why does the char I once mained have such crappy gear? Because I never felt the need for anything else, I felt on par if not better with other classes with just those, that just stinks ‘balance issue’.

@Sunflowers

Anet does think its an issue, and has openly stated so. Mobility is especially what they cited about it, and will be addressing it soon. I cant wait to see what all the D/D bang wagoners flock to next when Anet nerfs them. Like stated above, I dare you to catch me on a D/D ele on your warrior. Sword and Warhorn+GS has some amazing mobility yes, but its not viable as a wvw build setup. An Ele makes no sacrifice, their main spec is OH Dagger anyway, and perma swifteness due to their reliance on boons (Protection, regen, might, swiftness, fury etc.). Now if an Ele had to switch to staff every time they were going somewhere then the argument would be valid but right now, it isn’t. I agree that Ele’s has a class should be looked at and made more versatile in other trait lines but not as ‘powerful’ as this build…. Nothing should be as powerful.

@Maddoctor

Anet itself is horrible at balancing nerf and buff in equal capacity. Thats true, but other classes are also suffering the same issues with balancing, that problem isn’t ele exclusive and shouldn’t but used in just its context.

To summarise, if everyone is bandwagoning a FoTM build, taking on absurd amounts of enemies smashing buttons (tried and tested, most recently yesterday), without running away might I add, getting the highest score consistently in Spvp/Tpvp and is doing the absurd amounts of damage they can as BUNKERs, it needs to be looked at. and I’m glad Anet is, it’s just mind boggling to see so many people refusing to accept how broken something this obvious is.