Guild Wars 2

They still look bad to me. Their passive effects are just bad.

Signet of Mercy needs to be % based outgoing healing, like 20% outgoing healing or something, and Signet of Courage needs a buff the passive effect to be at least equal to the

Healing Signet is almost 5 times stronger than Courage and more reliable. Yes, it’s a healing skill, but Courage is an elite. And the cooldown is still too high, 75sec is more appropriate.

ScottBroChill.3254:

maybe theyll have passive augmentations that can be removed for an active effect. as im reading what im typing im realizing this is just the herald. so nvm.

Or Virtues
Or Signets

Still, it’s not like classes have monopolies over game mechanics.

You fix something when it’s broken. Saying anet should “fix ranger” implies that the class is broken.

Also, you know, there’s a post following the title which says “ranger is a complete mess than seems to be designed with their feets”.

Lahmia.2193:

RabbitUp.8294:

Lahmia.2193:

Ragnarox.9601:

Fashion Mage.3712:

Ragnarox.9601:

If we dont get 25% movement trait with firebrand/purifier will switch to another class probably.

Seems like a fairly trivial reason to switch to a different class.

Well after 5 years with traveler runes I want to try something else in wvw without moving like a snail. And pls dont say you have swiftness cause I don’t have it nor will use it unless I can change skills in combat.

And what if it comes to a choice between a very useful trait and the movement trait? Like Druid with its Natural Stride and Verdant Etchings.

It’s rather have a tough choice than no choice at all.

See that’s the thing, you already do. Switch out that one rune for traveler/speed, or that one utility for Retreat. Tough choice.

That one rune being all 6 runes, which is not a choice of the class, it’s generic gear and therefore irrelevant.

Retreat alone doesn’t give permaspeed, you have to slot it and trait it, and hold the staff, too. You need a specific weapon, trait and utility. The rest of the classes only need 1 utility or 1 trait to do the same, and some don’t even use a major trait.

So, yes, a tough choice, but not uniquely tough for guardian in particular.

Ivantreil.3092:

Jerus.4350:

I think everyone always fears an awful AI spec. I don’t think ANet would do that to us. I mean if they did it’d just be undeniable proof they’re either kittened or hate us. I’m with you on barricades/shields, when I just heard the name I was picturing Wall of Reflection type skills. Throw up a holographic barrier to protect the team, or augment a weapon with a holographic edge. Personally I was/am hoping for a healing + support spec, but to me holosmith sounds more like a more strait support spec. We’ll help the team by blocking attacks for them while augmenting the damage, and I’m ok with that.

I just really hope it’s not more personal sustain or strait DPS. We have those covered with Scrapper and Condi/power core Engi.

This spec still could go as a power dps spec, true we have that covered, but you have to admit it, its silly we have it covered just by a plain and single AA, when our class should be about complexity with a rewarding playstyle.

The first wave of elite specs should not be used as an example, imo. It was their chance to fix some holes in the professions and they tried to do too many things at once.

With 2 specs to work with, they can go back and rework aspects of the first specs. Scrapper was supposed to be a tanky spec, not power dps. They can push that identity further, and make holosmith the dps option.

Lahmia.2193:

Ragnarox.9601:

Fashion Mage.3712:

Ragnarox.9601:

If we dont get 25% movement trait with firebrand/purifier will switch to another class probably.

Seems like a fairly trivial reason to switch to a different class.

Well after 5 years with traveler runes I want to try something else in wvw without moving like a snail. And pls dont say you have swiftness cause I don’t have it nor will use it unless I can change skills in combat.

And what if it comes to a choice between a very useful trait and the movement trait? Like Druid with its Natural Stride and Verdant Etchings.

I’d rather have a tough choice than no choice at all.

CptAurellian.9537:

Shall I? So I’ll take just the stuff that appears to be the most glaring nonsense, since I’m not in the mood for a giant wall of text.

Mesmer QQ – how exactly was the guard coming close to mesmers with regard to quickness stacking? With the old CD, we could provide a bit more than 50% quickness uptime in the most optimal case, i.e. with 100% boon duration, the shout trait and with a mesmer for alacrity. That’s not even close, that’s a joke.

I’m not sure what your objection is here. Are you saying that Feel My Wrath is even worse than I claimed? That only makes the +50%cd nerf even more jarring.

As for how close guardian was, you can bring multiple guardians and stack the quickenss. Or just use guardian + mesmer instead of 2 mesmers. It could have made Guardian a more attractive dps, since they bring a valuable buff along with their damage.

With regard to tanking, mesmers got that role for one simple reason: if you don’t deal damage anyway, you don’t lose damage by tanking. Even worse than druids outshining all other healers mainly due to one single buff, this flaw in mesmer design hurts all other potential tanks and mesmers themselves.

Druid healer doesn’t deal damage either, they can’t tank. PS war is forced into a suboptimal rotation damage-wise to maintain the might, they don’t tank either. Mesmer has the tools to tank and more importantly, doesn’t lose anything at all to do so, they don’t even have to change their rotation that much. Mesmer is not just a tank, they defend the whole group. Why bother with guardian and their pathetic aegis when mesmer can share invulnerability when needed just as easily?

And how does that hurt mesmers exactly? The lack of a dps build? They only play support, like guardian only plays dps, and there’s a lot less competition between supports. At least they get what they signed up for, mesmers has always been like that, but when I picked up guardian, they weren’t a necro/thief-tier selfish class.

It leads to the third point, which mirage will hopefully address. Mesmers always have desperately needed a build that allows them to be a proper dps class. The current class and illusion mechanics are massively flawed with regard to most situations. Mirage filling the dps niche would finally open up the potential for huge balance improvements for all classes.

So, you are saying mesmers are holding the whole meta hostage until they are relevant in dps before they can allow being nerfed in support, that’s not exactly reassuring.

And entirely pointless, because there’s no second place in the dps race. Either you do the most raw damage, or you bring enough buffs so that in the end, spread across the whole group, you do the most damage. Which is why guardian is in such dire need of a supportive backbone, as more and more dps builds make it into the game.

Speaking of balance, if you think that the current “80k dps in test” are relevant in any way, I dare question why you are still around in this game. Maybe you think that the devs are totally incompetent (which is a valid point of view), but then the consequences should be obvious.

You don’t get 80k because the numbers on a few skills are too high. Like you said, the devs are not incompitent, so they can balance the damage numbers on the new skills even just in comparison to other classes. And the base mesmer class doesn’t have the dps capability to deal that much damage with only a few additions.

So what that number means is that they said “poor mesmers have no deeps” and went overboard. It means the mechanics of mirage are so overtuned to produce these results, probably the profession mechanic changes, or clones doing actual damage now.
It’s a hypothesis, but if it’s true, it sounds like a balancing nightmare.

EnderzShadow.2506:

RabbitUp.8294:

Core guardian is pretty darn garbage is what it is. The only game mode where you actually want to use base Guardian is wvw with the stability sharing build, and that’s because F3 gets a lower cooldown and DH is entirely too selfish of a traitline.

Core ele is good only because scrapper is bad in pve. In pvp, core engi is not better than scrapper, but that’s true for most if not all professions, ranger included.

As for your edit 2, yes of course builds change depending on the game mode, that only means the class is adaptable and has build options. Except wvw zerg where they are mostly outshined by tempest aurashare, ranger+druid is meta is all game modes with multiple builds.

Raids are not a 4th game mode, it’s organized pve. Unorganized pve has no meta, so you might as well ignore it.

It sounds like you don’t have the guts to post a rant about Druids so you came to muck about in this thread.

I don’t want to post a rant about druid because my argument is not that druid is too good for the game. I’m responding to a post that claims ranger have it so bad that an overhaul of the base class is needed.

What’s with all the talk about Core? Do you have the expansion? Are you playing on a Free account?

You realise you can only choose only 1 elite spec, right? Mesmer has to be chrono for alacrity, but warrior can use any spec or no spec and still do the PS stuff. When a base class does something, they can do it with all their specs which matters a lot for their viability and relevance.

Core guardian is pretty darn garbage is what it is. The only game mode where you actually want to use base Guardian is wvw with the stability sharing build, and that’s because F3 gets a lower cooldown and DH is entirely too selfish of a traitline.

Core ele is good only because scrapper is bad in pve. In pvp, core engi is not better than scrapper, but that’s true for most if not all professions, ranger included.

As for your edit 2, yes of course builds change depending on the game mode, that only means the class is adaptable and has build options. Except wvw zerg where they are mostly outshined by tempest aurashare, ranger+druid is meta is all game modes with multiple builds.

Raids are not a 4th game mode, it’s organized pve. Unorganized pve has no meta, so you might as well ignore it.

I would love to see Firebrand get access to Righteous Indignation.

CptAurellian.9537:

Fashion Mage.3712:

CptAurellian.9537:

Quite an impressive amount of QQ.

but he’s completely right. XD

That’s, at best, debatable.

You are welcome to debate it, then.

anduriell.6280:

You are talking about raids and this is not the raids subforum, that is not even a full gamemode and it is said that not even a 10% of the playerbase do it.

Have you played fractals recently? In everything pve that is not open world, Spirits are used.

ranger is not top dps

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5wbgt6/qt_updated_benchmarks_for_all_classes_february_22/

Tempest and Guardian only have an edge vs large hitboxes, otherwise engi and ranger are top. And ranger is the only one of those 4 classes with another meta build, the rest are dps only.

In raids is only wanted as buffbot.

That’s what “support” means.

Meanwhile ranger has useless traps, useless spirits, 3 of 4 useless signets, 2 of 5 shouts nerfed to the absurd, 2 of 6 useless survival skills, clunky\incomplete\absurd mechanics in all the weapons, a complete mess of traits and trait lines which don’t allow any mix and match, complete lack of stability and reliable cleanses for immobilized, wonky pet mechanic, lacks of reliable burst unless goes kamikaze

Welcome to the party. All classes have to deal with the same. Go post that over at the necro forums, see what they have to tell you about it.

and it is the only class in game which forces players to do pve scavenger hunt all around to be able to get the pets.

And it is the only class that keeps growing outside of elite specs. All other classes won’t get anything new, ranger will keep getting new pets.

Sinchronia.3219:

I don’t know which picture did you all see but from the leaked one I can see a single icon that remind me of a tome and it is a minor trait icon. From the skills icons, I bet they are wells like chrono or necro.

We say the the skills are mantras, because the icons are based on gw1 mantras, and the leaker confirmed it.

As for Tomes, the unlock page shows the dude holding a book, the second icon, which is the new profession mechanic, shows a hand holding a book and there are 2 grandmaster traits towards the end of the ring, one that shows a book lying upside-down and the other 2 pages. And we have a screenshot in-game showing a Guardian with the new spec, and the virtues are changed into icons showing books. And last, but not least, the leaker confirmed it.

CptAurellian.9537:

Quite an impressive amount of QQ.

You are right, it’s quite a rant. Sorry about that, but it’s the pent-up frustration of the past 2+ years.

Anyway, let’s hope for the best, whatever each of us defines that as. I’ll try to stay hopeful, afterall, at least I’ll get to wield Astralaria with my guardian.

It’s more than just the playstyle for me. If I cared about support, I would have jumped to druid and never looked back.

They destroyed the class with HoT, removed the core identity, gave support to other classes while removing it from guardian, ignored the base class completely, turned them into a blue warrior.

And what did Guardian get with HoT? Unwanted in pve, as welcomed as ebola in fractals. They eventually became the dps they were supposed to be after buffs 1 year into HoT, and of course, they require the DH spec to do it. Meanwhile, base Ranger are top dps and Druid is everything Guardian should be support-wise. Tempest got a healing/support and a dps spec at the same time. Berserker was once the best condi dps and base Warrior is still a must-have offensive support.

The OG party player is hanging from “Stand your Ground” to pretent they are a support class in exactly one game mode. Until a future spec gets good AoE stability sharing, then it’s over. Their profession mechanic is burning and they don’t have a condi build. Druid took their healing, revenant took their boon spam.

When HoT was launched, Sanctuary had a 120-sec cooldown, that’s how much they cared about base guardian. They are the spiritual successors of GW1 Monk, and they have the worst rez skill in the game. But Ranger? No, ranger gets the best one.

Guardian dared come close to Mesmer at quickness stacking, and Feel My Wrath’s cooldown was increased by 50%. Mesmer has both quickness and alacrity and is not sharing. But at the same time, they invalidate Guardian’s defensive support with their AoE distort and to rub it in, they are the designated tank of the meta. Oh, and the leaker said mirage is currently doing about 80k dps in test, so don’t forget to bow down to your butterfly overlords.

Firebrand/Purifier is the make-or-break spec for me. But to work, they first have to take a fine comb through all the garbage of the base class. Hearing from the leaker that there’s no healer in xpac 2 is not good news. And knowing their track history, they will load the tomes with condi removal and defensive crap that is useless in pve, so they can avoid nerfing Epidemic.

You have spirits that with all their drawbacks are still considered staple in at least 1 game mode. Go take a look at what garbage skills and traits other classes have to deal with. Heck add “weapon” to “spirit” and you get a joke skill type.

Sure, the class has issues that could be fixed, like every single class in the game. In the meantime, it’s top dps and top support.

Lahmia.2193:

RabbitUp.8294:

The name is still in dispute, it’s either Firebrand or Purifier.

iirc the leak with the Purifier on was a complete fake, just made to make a quick buck off the Sawgrill Mushroom spike.

Purifier was from the first leak we got 8 or so months ago, when we learned that guardian getting an axe. The sawgil guy used info from that thread and another leak thread that devs actually disputed.

The leaker in the recent threads kept referring to the spec as Purifier. Actually, the only time the Firebrand name was used is in the leaked trait unlock screen. Purifier must have been the working title, because it sounds more basic, and thus the leaker was more used to it, but it’s still not certain what the current name is.

The name is still in dispute, it’s either Firebrand or Purifier.

And if all we get is a new way to deal DPS, I’m legit deleting my Guardian right then and there, with all the gear and a couple of legendaries, because I’m not going to wait another 2 years and buy another expansion hoping they eventually pull the class out of the garbage can.

Yeah, poor ranger having to struggle with being the best class in the game

Fashion Mage.3712:

I understand that some people want their condition cancer, but I really hope this spec is at least evenly split between healing, protection, and conditions (and preferably a bit of offensive support).

The ideal spec for me would be:
900-range Axe with cleave that can bleed
F1 focused on condi, AoE burn, provides a fire field, offensive boons
F2 focused on healing and condi removal or resistance, provides a water field, defensive boons
F3 focused on CC and protection

And like you said, Heal Area was amazing, and I will be really kittened if we don’t get it back, especially when Druid got a copied version.

I’ll be extremely disappointed and angry if F2 doesn’t heal. Tome of Courage was part of the original profession, support was Guardian’s thing. Druid was an effort to turn the old selfish Ranger into a group class, but it stepped on a bit too many toes in the process. At the same time, though, I don’t see what else F2 could do, so I don’t worry much.

Dragonhunter being a selfish spec when there’s only 1 to choose from effectivelly turned the whole class into nothing but selfish dps. Guardian’s utility hasn’t aged well, apart from AoE stability in wvw, so I really want this to be a support/healer spec, so that the devs take another look at the base class. I mean, just compare Merciful Intervention to Druid’s Staff 3.

Anyway, base Guardian has deceptively potent healing, but it has some problems. First, it’s healing over time, lacking burst healing. And second, it has limited range as you need to be at melee range and drop symbols, so you can only heal those around you.

If F2 is close to Tome of Courage, then we can expect a 1200 ranged AoE healing autoattack, and another more potent burst healing spell, solving the above problems.

Druid is actually not an amazing healer, Guardian can outheal them in ideal conditions and Tempest aurashare can do so, too, easily. Druid is good because of the offensive buffs, so hopefully, that’s where the other 2 tomes and the mantras can make a difference.

There was a follow-up leak post on reddit. It said there’s no healer like druid this time around, but there’s support. Now, I will be really surprised if F2 doesn’t have healing abilities, so maybe the leaker meant no dedicater healer, not no healing at all, since Firebrand should be quite flexible with the Tomes.

But, they did say this spec has “a lot of support”, so at least we can be sure it won’t be pure condi.

What do you want to do with your weapons? Sword is very good when you are playing solo, since you get mobility, fury, and a bit of defense through AoE blind. But it’s not good in party content.

Hammer requires a different build to work, since you need Honor (Writ of Persistance trait), and the way it feels (slow animations and autoattack based) is not for everyone. However, it feels a lot better in organized groups, when you enjoy perma-quickness.

Scepter is my go-to weapon for groups, you have range and good damage.

For an off-hand, Torch is good for damage, Focus is very good solo, since you get AoE damage and 3 blocks, and Shield is not something you carry everywhere, but it’s good when you need more CC, projectile block and some extra aegis.

Initiative is gained over time, why introduce these convoluted methods of gaining it?

Especially Mantras, they wouldn’t force the use of the new utilities to enable Tomes. Otherwise, not using Mantras means I have no profession mechanic.

The use of the initiative mechanic is simple, it adds a shared cooldown to tomes. Having an extra set of skills doesn’t break the game, other classes have that already. But when it’s 3 extra sets, along with 2 weapons, it becomes too much. Even if Tomes had cooldowns, you could still use all of them at a short amount of time.

But with the Initiative, if you use one tome, then you have less ini to spent on your second and third tomes, so in the end you can cast a limited number of skills in a given amount of time, no matter how tomes you use.

hourglass.2486:

Aeolus.3615:

carapace really kewl….

bhrams gloves
and good looking kodan pauldrans, no thing like those eifell tower nor statue of liberty things on shoulders

What legs armor piece are those?

Carapace

I would like them to work like Ranger spirits, they grant on-hit effects to allies but don’t attack, then you can use the second skill to animate them, where they perform a special skill and then autoattack your target for a few seconds.

If they stay as minions,then they should last indefinitely like Necro minions. At least then I could use ranger runes for open pve.

From the look of things, the spec will add a layer of complexity to the class akin to Ele and Engi. And I am looking forward to it.

Then there’s the flavour. My favourite aspect of guardian was that it was a heavy armour spellcaster. Not a lot of games have such a class. In practise, this didn’t work out that well, scepter was a bad weapon until the symbol update, staff is too niche, tomes were removed, spirit weapons are bad.

So, I really have high hopes for this spec.

Nobody is forcing you to play these rotations, it’s what the players themselves come up with after hours of testing and optimizing.

Pve will always be about finding the optimal solution, because the problem is static, this is how it is for all games. There’s no adapting to the situation on the spot, it’s about being prepared for it beforehand, learning the mechanics, honing your playstyle. The mechanics are static, bosses have patterns, it’s like a puzzle, you know the rules, it’s all on strategy and execution.

Pvp is different, more chaotic, because you don’t know what you are going to face, especially in gw2, where the same class can have very different builds. And there’s aplayer behing your opponent making desicions on the fly.

Each mode has their own skill requirements. No one is superior over the other, and saying pve has no roles, no strategy, just mindless spam is false. There’s a reason we are not all qT, and it’s because most of us do the mindless spamming.

If F2 is a healing tome, the spec is pvp meta. It’s not like DH contributed that much to the bunker build, it mostly added some damage utilities, but with a mini Celestial Avatar, and access to better condi pressure, it will get wild.

Axe symbol can also have stability or aegis, though like I said before, I would like to see the tomes get a symbol each, especially since they can be balanced more easily for such strong boons and they fit the theme of the tomes perfectly

quickness for F1
resistance for F2
stability for F3

Then axe could get aegis

Aeolus.3615:

oh theres already leaks stuff, tough it was mostly speculation so no pistol maybe later

(edit)
So… tomes stuff are in virtues place or at least the 2nd and 3rd virtue.
basicly its a mellee weapon with a bit of extension to 400-(looks like less than 600range)
Maybe f2 and f3 will change the weapon skills, since in the traitline FB is using tome in right hand and torch in offhand.

3 tomes for 3 virtues.

Leaker says they work like engi kits, which I assume means no CD, though the screenshot showed what looked like an initiative bar, which I assume is tied to the tomes.

I would love a pistol for guardian. Off hand pistol with mobility would be cool.

Nice meme.

If you paid attention to the class, you would know that burn guardian needs cleave to trigger Virtue of Justice. And you act like melee axe wouldn’t have cleave, like every melee weapon in the entire game.

Aeolus.3615:

I just hope it isnt a range axe weapon -.- with copy pasta necro spells on it but with a “guardian” theme ….

we already have the bow for range and the scepter…

this new spec could improve the scepter for range and the axe for melee range….

We already have sword, mace, hammer and greatsowrd for melee.

What we lack is a mid-range weapon with cleave, and axe seems to be it.

They would never do 6 tomes, and do them well. They would be like Elementalist’s Conjure Weapons, either they suck, or they have 1-2 good skills. They couldn’t make them like kits, because it would be too much for the class, since we can swap weapons, unlike engi.

Having them replace Virtues is the best choice, you get 3 types of tomes, that like Fashion Mage said, cover all bases with offense, healing and boonshare/defense, and with the Initiative system, you have some form of gating that isn’t super unfun and long cooldowns.

There are optimal rotations for every class, just because you spam random buttons doesn’t mean the gameplay isn’t there.

The new skill type is Mantras, though it’s not certain.

Because all Symbols grant boons, regardless of what the weapon does. Sure, they can make a different Symbol for axe, but it would be a first.

The spec is not purely offensive, according to the leak, it’s condition and support.

The leaked spec has Tomes replacing the Virtues, not as skills.

Natto.5819:

Queen Jenna’s power can’t be explained legitimately in lore. No human has that much magical powers. The only explanation is that she’s not human, leading me to believe she is a human god in disguise. Mesmers have the power of illusion, so it’s easy for them to trick people. A god mesmer would be more powerful.

Balthazar being weakened follows lore with the elder dragon gods sucking magic power from them when they woke up. That’s why he was so mad at them.

Balthazar is not just weakened, he is no longer a god.

If it was just about dragons sucking the gods magic, you would see all 6 in Tyria sniffing bloodstone dust, not just Balthazar.

Dirame.8521:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Valmir.4590:

Something tells me that Balthazar has been ousted by Menzies or another entity who defeated him and claimed the role of God of War, but in a not honourable way, hence precipitating him toward his current actions. At least, it would make sense of his behaviour.

This is my theory too. His line “They abated me, they dimmed might light… But now they will see me.” indicates a loss of godhood as well.

To me it sounded like he was talking about the Dragons. He was giving us a reason as to why he was acting the way he did towards the Dragons, but we can’t be sure about that.

“Now they will see me”

This doesn’t make sense if “they” are the dragons.

The Greyhawk.9107:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Well he is right. there is no honor in war. Believing there is honor in war is nothing more then a fabricated lie to justify slaughter. It’s no different then justice partly bieng a brushed up version of vengeance.

For balthazar to understand this makes me respect him as a character. He truly knows the essence of war. He truly deserves his title.

That’s rather subjective. Many believe that there is honor is fighting and dying to protect ones home and people against aggressors. War isn’t always about two equally malicious sides trying to destroy each other. War is never really a good thing, but sometimes it can be a just thing. “Evil prevails when good men do nothing” sort of thing.

Oftentimes, the home you are protecting is the one your ancestors killed others to take.

In any case, Balthazar and the whole human race are alien conquerors, they came to Tyria from another world and killed and burned their way to power.

I’ll just ignore the nonsense then.

What Symbol will Axe get? We kinda ran out of boons, there’s aegis, stability, quickness, resistance, all of them a bit too strong for a main-hand cooldown. Maybe there’s a new boon with the expansion, like we got the taunt condi in HoT.

In my Tome elite spec concept, I had an off-hand warhorn and gave the tomes each a Symbol.
Justice -> Offensive/condi tome -> Quickness
Resolve -> Healing tome -> Resistance
Courage -> Support/defense tome -> Stability

When did the German translation became the yardstick with which we are to judge the elite spec names?

If it doesn’t translate well, it’s not a problem of the original name.

Necros have AI that they bring to pvp, so if that’s acceptable, then Spirit Weapons should be as well.

Keeping a whole skill type at a sorry state because it’s against your sensibilities is stupid, those skills exist and they shouldn’t awful to use.

Fashion Mage.3712:

RabbitUp.8294:

Anyway, during the last pvp Dev AMA, they said SW are one of the 4-5 skill types they want to improve, along with mantras, and a couple more I can’t remember.

Do you have the source for that?

Source.

If you think party composition is based on who does the most personal dps, you are mistaken.

Aeolus.3615:

Mikau.6920:

We’ll get Axe on main hand. Seems like medium range ~600 like Necros.

more pve dedicated crap for sure.

Thank god

This pve “crap” is what the class needs, because right now, they have been reduced to tier 2 dps, with no support to offer. The class became as selfish as necro and thief.

Oh yes, I personally like Firebrand a lot. This is really the only place I’ve heard anybody be against the name, and trying to start a Dragonhunter 2.0

Crusader would be a nice fit for a tank elite spec.
But for this? Crusaders weren’t scholars.

I think Absolver would be a nice name for this spec.

Ragnarox.9601:

RabbitUp.8294:

Ragnarox.9601:

RabbitUp.8294:

Ermm, Zeal is a must for dps DH

only in raids. so thats for 5% all guardians that even raid.

What is that supposed to mean?

It’s used in raids because you need it to maximise your power damage as a DH. It’s not like it offers a raid-exclusive perk.

So, in pve, where dps is king, you go Zeal.

GL with that in new maps or HoT maps.

Changing builds for open-world is too much effort for me, at best I switch from scepter/torch to sword/focus, and only because sword #2 makes me feel faster, and torch is bad vs multiple enemies. Other than that, I’ve been running Zeal/Radiance/DH in full zerker ever since I’ve started HoT, no trouble at all.

Ragnarox.9601:

RabbitUp.8294:

Ermm, Zeal is a must for dps DH

only in raids. so thats for 5% all guardians that even raid.

What is that supposed to mean?

It’s used in raids because you need it to maximise your power damage as a DH. It’s not like it offers a raid-exclusive perk.

So, in pve, where dps is king, you go Zeal.

Guys, remember the recent Seraph stat combo in honour of Logan, the Seraph captain and a fellow Guardian?

It had precision, condi damage, healing power and concentration.

The latter 3 is what our virtues do, so the tomes will inherit that functionality, so maybe Seraph gear was meant for Firebrand.