So I checked, turns out that there aren’t those arrows on the first weapon set I use, so… how do I turn it on for the first weapon set as well? XD
Edit: never mind, found out – ctrl + mouse 2 on the skill in the toolbar, thanks for telling me about the arrow sign though
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I decided to make a topic where we could write in all the traits and skills that aren’t working as they are supposed to, for example: a trait that says it gives 10% more damage, but instead gives 5%, or a bugged move that makes you root in place once the animation is done.
KEEP IN MIND: I am not talking about bad traits that are weak or useless, so long as they do what they are supposed to do, it’s fine, so no ranting about skills that atleast work as they should please.
Now… I’ll start, the 4th hammer skill on the warrior (“Staggering Blow”), roots the player in place for what feels like a half of a second after the move is done.
Again, the reason I am doing it, is so that Arena Net will be able to easily see all the traits and skills that we find are either bugged or not working properly, to try and make the fixes for them faster. (And as a side bonus, we’ll finally be able to complain if they won’t bother making a fix )
P.S: as an example for what I don’t want to be seen here, I would have said that I believe the staggering blow’s cooldown is unjust, including the fact that you can’t move while doing it… which while I believe in it, wouldn’t really belong in this thread, kitten long it would have worked properly…
Wow, that is actually helpful for me, thanks
Yes, this is about what I would do too. I know if I take away 10 points from Discipline i lose 25% (15% from 3 stacks of adrenaline + 10% from trair points) of crit. chance but I’d rather do that than losing all this in power. Still I’m not sure if it’s worth using GS at all since Axe x Axe is THAT much better now… thanks for the help anyways!
You can frequently switch between the weapons to use their stronger moves, and for example using both of their cripple skills to be able to close gaps better
Also, you can use “hundred blade” to punish those that try to get into melee range, or stuck in melee range (for example, stuck to a wall behind them), won’t give the full damage, but that would still be a nice usage of it
Well… you can always use both GS and axe/axe, actually, this is the build I used post-patch:
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-s77g;1RKFM0h4kL-60;9;4TJ;0J48A19;529-SNV0;2H7W3H7W35BD
If you are curious or don’t understand any of my choices, just tell and I’ll answer
Well… you can always use both GS and axe/axe, actually, this is the build I used post-patch:
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-s77g;1RKFM0h4kL-60;9;4TJ;0J48A19;529-SNV0;2H7W3H7W35BD
If you are curious or don’t understand any of my choices, just tell and I’ll answer (I’m no the best build maker myself though)
I agree that it’s a really awkward ability, not something you want to use unless the enemy is already CC’d.
But it’s hard to explain, it just feels clunky.
I think that it’s because of the duration time it takes for the skill to activate, a 3/4 of a second, where even a single press of the button cancels it.
Also, I decided to compare it the rifle but, according to the wiki
Activation time:
Rifle butt – 1/4 a second, Staggering Blow – 3/4 a second.
Damage:
Rifle butt – 386, Staggering Blow – 481
(according to wiki, so I don’t know on what they base the damage on)
Can/Can’t hit multiple foes:
Rifle Butt – Can, Staggering Blow – Can.
Range:
Rifle Butt – 130, Staggering blow – 130.
Knockback:
Rifle Butt – 450, Staggering Blow – 180
Combo Finisher:
Rifle Butt – none, Staggering Blow – Whirl.
Cooldown:
Rifle Butt – 15, Staggering Blow – 20.
Can/can’t move while using the skill:
Rifle Butt – Can, Staggering Blow -Can’t.
According to that comparison, it seems the rifle butt is much better then Staggering blow. (however, the knockback for the Staggering blow makes sense – it’s a melee weapon, not a ranged weapon after all, you’ll still need to get close if you want to continue hitting the opponent).
A skill that is good for a chain instead of a knockout sounds reasonable
Thing is, I am also comparing it to the rifle-butt, which also pushes the opponent, is faster, and you can move while doing it… that hammer skill needs something to actually be WORTH using.
However, the damage buff depends on how much would they give it, a minor buff won’t really be that helpful, and just 5% more range won’t either (making it just 136.5 range instead…)
Huh… a ranged cripple in a melee weapon? sounds a bit helpful in my eyes to use to cripple people that try to gain distance.
I used an axe/axe+GS build previously, if you guys want, maybe I’ll try and write that build down.
And I don’t know about the chain skill – the raw damage is still better, and I can keep up with people thanks to the traits “warrior’s sprint” and “furious speed”, so that I can unleash the chain skill’s potential… or it could be that I am playing against bad players? who knows XD
… Kick, kick? I think bolas will be better then kick here XD.
Now… runes of Lyssa, and the signet trait with only the elite signet?.
I think that I understand you want to use the elite skill for protection and retaliation, but… that’s just not in my eyes to actually pick Lyssa.
I also assume that you use stuns for the extra 50% crit chance, but… the skills themselves have high cooldown, which means you won’t be able to repeat them enough times to use it, so you are probably going to use your burst skills a lot, which means that the trait “berserker’s power” won’t be as effective.
Now… about the sigils, I’ll have to use caps to be clear on that, since I tend to see it happen quite often… TWO SIGILS OF THE SAME KIND DON’T GIVE THE SAME BONUS TWICE, ONLY ONCE!!!!!!
Which means, you are just wasting a spot for another sigil there.
Now… it seems your build doesn’t have that much mobility, and no, I just can’t take the signet of rage’s swiftness as enough, I actually never use it because the duration for it feels too long >.< (1 whole second, doesn’t sound that much, but things can go badly while having to do nothing in 1 second).
Because of that, I suggest changing that trait to “warrior’s sprint”, for 25% more speed with melee weapons, because that if not, I think that you’ll most probably get kitted a lot…
Now… I can’t see that much difference between the “balls of steel” to the balanced build… you just changed one utility skill and acted like it is a whole different build “specifically versus high condi/low”, and then I noticed that you changed the amulet to a berserker amulet in “balls of steel”… really?
In fact, I actually find the balanced version better in case of countering low CC, because the utility skill you picked for “balls of steel” got no stun break, and even higher cooldown, while still remaining not that effective against condition damage anyway. (doesn’t delete the current conditions that are onn you from what I understand, and only a 4 second immunity against unmodified conditions, where the good players can notice their conditions don’t stack, and just wait until it’s over to spam their conditions again)
Huh… with the GS+axe/axe build I used, it was usually easy for me to run away, so long as people didn’t start spamming chill or cripple on me. (immobilize I could deal with, thanks to the master trait on discipline )
But still, want the best escape capabilities? try a thief or a mesmer, those kittens can just go stealth and teleport to run away, and mesmers also have clones that makes it harder to target the correct one when he starts doing that….
Lol @ the censoring. The words I used. “what” and “its” the last letter of what combined with the second word made my post censored.
CALM DOWN THE FILTER PLZ
I don’t know about it being unblockable, that kind of destroys those that count on blocks for sustain, and generally it is your fault if you get blocked, unlike blind where those things can be spammed if necessary.
I would say “have a 50% chance for an unblockable burst” instead, but I’m afraid I don’t believe in the random generator god
Hm… having all F1 skills ignore blind is a good thing for balance (hey, burst skills ARE supposed to be our special moves, no? ), but the cripple, immobilize and chill shouldn’t be ignored, so long as the cripple and chill won’t reduce the range, just the speed.
About immobilize, if it is really much of a bother for you, there’s a master trait on discipline that breaks immobilize on movement skills, such as eviscerate for example.
Edit: and before I’ll forget, a new range might be better, as the range feels a bit too small to be honest XD, I keep trying to hit people that are beginning to start running away from me, or around me to try and survive, only to fail because of the small range >.<.
HOWEVER, the current speed is eviscerate is fine.
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Yes but people in general seem to think that warriors are complete pushovers and utterly useless..
Probably won’t change until a team wins a major tournament with those new bruiser warrior builds that warriors seem to be running now.
Bruiser warrior builds? you made curious, what are those bruiser builds?
^most classes are reduced to about 30-40% hp from initial burst, then alt wpn bursts can either finish or nearly finish. As far as I’m concerned endure pain and dogged march plus mobility give plenty survivability.
Yeah… dogged march isn’t really that great as you might think in PvP: the regenartion bonus is:
(130+0.125*healing power)3 (the "3" are the three seconds)
Let’s assume we have 1000 healing power, that would be only 765 health points back XD
“But we don’t use it for regeneration anyway”, yeah, but here’s the thing: you are still affected by those things, so the enemy can still use those as an opening, even if they are shorter… sometimes enough to give other cripples, chills, and immobilize.
(which is why I took the trait that makes movement skill break immobilize, with chills and cripples I can actually deal with without dogged march thanks to my build.)
About endure pain… I admit, this one can give good survivability to survive other glass cannons, but… it still won’t help that well against people that mainly use CC in their fight, unless you know them and how to avoid them, which is sometimes hard with the ranged CC skills that aren’t telegraphed that well to notice it quickly enough and evade.
Moreover, even if you are fast enough to react to them, there’s still the problem of only two dodges, and as what I previously stated – people that excel at survivability (and not just “tanking” again, CC and things that help get away from damage such as stealth and teleport counts).
Also… I have to ask, do you just use “hundred blades” for the initial burst (How you land it is less of a problem for me, each one and his own way on that one), or do you also use other things for the initial burst damage as well? and by the way, let’s be clear here – even if the initial burst damage is good, doesn’t mean they can’t turn the tables, as some people (mostly the skilled ones, usually ) can figure out a way to keep fighting after that initial burst damage while also evading, blocking, or countering the alt weapon burst skill, or… just manage to save themselves from the initial burst damage.
Now… about your build, would you mind saying what traits you use, crit-chance if it is valuable to the build, <strong>and mainly</strong> – how do you get enough high mobility to stay in close range to the enemies?
The last one is important in my eyes, as after all – not being able to get close enough for closer combat → no damage given → higher chances of losing.
As a previous GS user myself (“Previous”, because I am decided to change things to something else I might like), I can say that the greatsword’s burst is still quite well, it is fun to see people underestimate my simple chain skill sometimes.
However, the problem with greatsword, is that it only got mobility and burst – mobility might be good but won’t help you take down the oppenent’s HP on his own, so only burst is left… unfortunately, the burst itself sometimes isn’t enough to finish the opponent before you go down – GS warriors tend to have no survivability after all in order to keep that burst damage, so we tend to get stuck with only two dodges with our stamina, without even vigor or protection to help us out… I had my share of battles with that build, and it seems to feel like rock-paper-scissors sometimes:
There are people that I fight I could defeat thanks to them not having that much survivability themselves, but there are those with builds that can help them survive the burst attacks, and not just things like protection, but things that can interrupt and disable the greatsword warrior, mesmers using stealth and clones, making it harder to target the source, even if you can tell who is clone and is not (I think most people use tab instead the mouse to target, because they also use the mouse to help them move).
Moreover, you can get screwed over in 1vx situations, and while you can evade those… minion necromancers can still beat you thanks to that advantage – if you focus to beat one person down, his minions will finish you off, while also helping the necromancer survive thanks to the minion-based traits.
In short, the GS build are more like “win quickly or lose quickly”, as you don’t have enough survivability for longer fights… and sometimes even the good greatsword’s burst damage isn’t enough (Protection is still a 33% damage reduction, and eventually I noticed why the warrior complain on blinds), which is why most warriors feel they are sometimes overwhelmed.
Wait… 30/10/0/0/30? … am I the only one that actually did 30/20/0/0/20? XD
Anyway, in 30/10/0/30, I believe the axe does more damage, simply because it’s chain skill does more damage, and you don’t have to stun an opponent for some of his moves like hundred blades (hundred blades can be still be useful, mind you, good punishment damage for those that thing it’s a good idea to stand close, or against those that are stuck to the wall ).
However, the trait “forceful greatsword” can give some nice boosts to the greatsword, if you have enough crit chance to use it, and can give great burst damage as an opener or finisher with stun abilities.
Personally, I actually used both axe/axe and greatsword, and with the build that I used, it seems like the axe was the axe had a bit more DPS, but not that noticeable for me to not switch between the two constantly to use both of their stronger skills.
I did notice that it is better to use the chain skill of the MH axe then the greatsword’s to finish someone off.
Edit: I talk about PvP here by the way, I am more casual in PvE, you need to grind for the better stuffs in PvE anyway XD
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… Huh… first time I heard of a nostromo?
You guys make me feel like a casual gamer
Edit: and can’t you just macro just one skill to a different spot, and to macro a chain?
I don’t know about you, but having to move my hand to reach the 8-10 utility skills can be a bit of a bother, because then only my little finger remains on the movement buttons XD.
… Huh… first time I heard of a nostromo?
You guys make me feel like a casual gamer
Still wish final thrust had a faster animation though… I can’t count on crit to make the duration viable, atleast in my eyes
Personally, I prefer the greatsword instead of s/s, I just like to have more direct damage then damage that comes only later, and the build that I tried with my s/s turned out to be too much of a glass-cannon to have any lasting effects with the bleeds >.< (the bleeds were the main way of damage, not from the swords themselves).
However, I’m talking PvP here, so in PvE, I think it might be better to have more bleeding damage against enemies in PvE, such as the enemies and bosses in dungeons, where fights can last long enough for the bleeds to have their effects.
In the end though, it is more of a matter of personal taste then effectiveness in PvE, atleast in my mind.
Thanks the 71% crit chance was just an example though from a previous build I tried, my current one is at 41%.
Thinking of making a mace/mace+hammer build for PvP, with the critical hit damage for more burst hits (tried distracting strikes, then I scrapped that XD)