Guild Wars 2

Hate those type of thiefs… you manage to lower their health down, they go “poof”, and can’t see them, or keep blinding me like hell, making me unable to hit >.<

Just… I just want a nerf to blind

So… I noticed that there quite a bit of people that are using mace + shield, yet I still use my two maces with my hammer for PvP.

So… just curious about it, I prefer to use mace/mace for unsuspecting foe in order to have lower cooldowns, but what about your opinion?

Hi there, I wasn’t here during july 23-30 since I was on a trip, so I couldn’t see for myself how good the chances in the heals really are yet, so… I am asking those that tried healing signet in order to see if it is actually useful now.

killahmayne.9518:

just the TPvP community??? You do realize that ANet censors vulgar language and replaces it with the word “kitten”.

To be puppying honest, I was puppying confused as well.

What in the puppying hell are you puppying talking about? :O

go puppy yourself :P

Actually… it starts to sound like you just aren’t that good with a thief O_O failing to hit on dodges?

“Worst is when I pop my basi/signet right before a guardian pops aegis or someone blocks those abilities…” Guess what? that is how burst damage goes, you have to make sure you’ll hit them afterall, such as when I used a greatsword build, I waited my opponent would waste his dodges, and took down his aegis, before I’ll go for bull’s charge.

Which puts us back to the ability to spam your burst skill, which by the way, what you are saying isn’t a cooldown… that’s the duration time of how long until the animation finishes for the attack to be done… which means that EXACTLY after one is finished, you can use another, and I noticed that most of them are 1/4 of a second, unless pistol who’s duration is a whole second because you shoot rapidly…

Let’s assume that you have just 1 second of stealth with MH dagger after you positioned yourself… that is about four backstabs right there.

Now, that is something I want! that would make me choosing Evon all the more enjoyable.

alamore.1974:

I currently use it in spvp the one thing that i think need to change is that sword auto attack is way to slow.
It needs to be increased. As it is right now its attack is to slow to actualy stack bleeds and the damage is to weak compared to axe…
So thats about it. Its got great control. But that is sadly it.

So anet if your reading this plz boost attack speed. And make us sword and sheild warriors well decent

Huh… axe doesn’t bring anything else other then extra damage in his chain skill, unlike mace and sword, so you’ll have to give a better explanation then that

ensoriki.5789:

Rance Webster.2635:

Also, I may not be playing a thief in PvP because I don’t like to rely on stealth too much, I had my fair share of battles against them in Tpvp, and I know how hard it is to try and dodge something you can’t see coming, but to only go and dodge when you feel like he is about to strike.

Then Play P/P, S/P, Or Shortbow cheeky thing you.

I actually tried P/P + S/P, made my own build… which failed so badly I didn’t even want to touch my thief anymore XD

Don’t use that as an excuse that the thief is a nerfed class that needs buffs and thus doesn’t need this idea please, that was just me being not a good player with a thief, and doesn’t know how the thief works yet, I only had about 4-5 Spvp matches with him XD

… Explain to me, how can you constantly dodge stealth attacks if you can spam them? all I am saying is a small cooldown to stealth attacks so that they won’t get spammed at, so if for example someone manages to evade against something that, well… he can’t even see, then congrats for him, he shouldn’t be punished by the manner of it being useless.
Don’t forget you still got your other skills to use so that the stealth attacks won’t go on cooldown to take down aegis, so currently, your only argument, is that you want to keep your ability to just spam it without needing to time it with the proper skill a thief should have, and let’s be honest here – it’s not like the opponent can see you getting closer, or from which direction.

Also, I may not be playing a thief in PvP because I don’t like to rely on stealth too much, I had my fair share of battles against them in Tpvp, and I know how hard it is to try and dodge something you can’t see coming, but to only go and dodge when you feel like he is about to strike.

Speaking of recipes, WHERE ON HELL CAN I GET A PVP DREDGE HELM FOR MY ORRIAN ARMOR

swinsk.6410:

I suggest we make backstab break thru blocks and aegis. Problem solved and a small buff to the most nerfed class in the game.

Honestly, it’s fine the way it is now.

Oh no, no break through blocks :O, I suggested it so that every type of defense, whether it will be the simple dodge, or even aegis, will be useful against stealth attacks.

Heck, just use another skill instead of the stealth attack to eliminate aegis and then use your stealth attack, or… don’t go stealth right on start, attack a bit to take out the aegis, THEN go stealth and backstab :P

They still have their other skills to use though, so if someone uses aegis they can break through (but the moment the aegis would drop, it’ll be a sign to dodge)

Ok guys, here me out – there are many people complaining that thiefs can just spam their stealth skills until it hits, and if you implement it so that blocking it reveals thiefs, they’ll complain they’ll be outmatched constantly against aegis users (while at the same time, punishes other players that don’t use block as their way of defense), so I thought… what about just giving a small cooldown on stealth skills, so that they won’t be spammable while on stealth – the cooldown should be minor so that the thief won’t be unable to use it when he goes on stealth again, yet big enough so that he won’t be able to spam it during stealth. (Or, just make the cooldown disappear whenever he goes out of stealth)

That way, everyone will be able to counter-play it, either by evading when they believe the thief will attack, blocking, and other ways people use to defend themselves.

I want a greatsword build, something with a greatsword that will be good in the meta! :P I miss my GS so much…

I noticed that when the skill misses, it roots you out in place for about a second.

Also, I am not sure about what happens when it missed, but from the last try against a golem, it seems that it doesn’t root when it hits.

I’m calling my greatsword as “Pooshka” :P

Screw you, I’m getting double blurred frenzy!

I would like the elementalist’s conjure weapons on my warrior, that would be epic :P.

Yeah, I thought that’s the reason… the rifle mainly gives the feeling of a power-build, honestly.

Wait… if such a hack exists… I want to see it in action! :O, war-gua-nec-ren-ment-mes-thief-neer, GO!

Huh… don’t forget that necromancers can use this with ranged weapons as well, while warriors tend to use swords as our main condition weapons, (well, that and longbows, which I find a bit weird as we don’t bleed on the auto-attack, so why not rifles?)

swinsk.6410:

I down one in 1v1.

I walk up to him in downed state and drop black powder to stomp.

He teleports to another location while in downed state.

What is this?

Teleports, or raise up from downed stated?

If he just rose up, most probably 3th downed skill, just either wait until he dies (and don’t die yourself), or finish off his HP, he won’t go to downed state and die immediately.

If he teleported… I still doubt hacking (my warrior once got blamed for hacking by using fear in Skyhammer… “fear me” anyone?), so could be either an ally’s shadow refuge which puts him on stealth, the mesmer’s elite skill that puts stealth on anyone.

If not either, then I don’t have a clue.

Just please, tell me they are not like the dragon tickets in the dragon chests? I finished up the holographic kills achievement, didn’t manage to get even one, and I want that shield.

So… I just happened to look by at a necromancer’s build to try and see what the dhuumfire + terror build is all about, but then I noticed this:

Both traits require only five point at curses and arms, both increase precision and condition damage.

Now the difference:

Barbed Precision: 66% chance to cause bleeding on critical hits.

Precise strikes: 33% chance to cause bleeding on critical hits.

… Ok, seriously here, why a warrior has to get a lower amount of chance on critical hit, about the same thing? that reminds when warrior sprint was only a 10% speed increase…

Ok, so I have been using a mace/mace weapon set for quite a while, and I noticed that sometimes when I use tremor, the opponent pass through me or passes behind me and the move gets canceled, even though I turn around with them…

This isn’t kill-shot where you can’t turn around, so why should I get punished with my skill getting canceled on CD (even though it is shorter, seems like 3-4 seconds), when as a melee weapon, it makes sense that I’ll turn around with my opponent to hit them? heck, I do it with backbreaker (Hammer’s 5th skill) all the time :O

This comment will probably have some spoilers, but I believe this entire topic is filled with spoilers anyway, so…

Personally, one of the things that bothered me with Trahearne, is that atleast after he gets Caladbolg, he becomes way too weak!

I’m serious here, I would have no problem with him taking the lead role, so long as he had the power to prove it (such as when he summoned all the minions during one of the storyline missions, but even then they all died and I had to fight the boss 1v1… again…)
He’s the leader of the pact, yet he can’t even kill a simple risen bull on his own?
Actually, I think that is one of the main reasons you just don’t feel he is supposed to get the same credit as you – why should he get the credit, when you do most of the work? Perhaps if you would have established him as more of someone who leads the pact, and not as guy that can fight in the front line as well, where the credits go as deserved (he gets credit for leading, you get credit for the fighting), people would perhaps find him more likeable.

Also, as people said earlier, he does feel a bit pushed in, as only the sylvari races get to hear and see him before-hand, and learn about caladbolg before hand (and how much of a weakling weapon it really is…), the other character races just feel like when he is first introduced to them as “Oh, this is Treahrne, and he’sthis and that, and overall a better guy to recruit then you”, really, that is how I felt like when I first met with my human, I was the hero of shaemor, I saved the queen with the help of the vigil, and… I feel like I am forcefully stepped aside to a guy I never met…

Moreover, we don’t have time to get to know this character personally, and he already comes instead of another character we like (the partner we had in the order we were), which makes him feel even more forced, and unaccepted as a substitute.

Now, about the voice… his voice in the sylvari storyline fits him as a scholar, the voice just doesn’t seem to fit what people would want in a leader.

I just really want to use the rifle again… I stopped using it ever since the 25th july patch that brought the two traits I used to grandmaster…

Marduh.4603:

retaliation destroy many viable builds

Such as the super cat, BEWARE OF THE SUPER-CAT!

Yeah, I actually managed to stun-lock them a bit and even KO them… problem is, my team didn’t finish them up when they KOed me as well ><

And one of the worst part? we had an engineer that said “they are just necros, they are weak”, and complained when we didn’t manage to capture the point that is protected by two minion necromancers.

Speaking of an acrobatic thief, is there a build for one? I would like one for my own thief (not fond of stealth that much)

Yeah… it looks like most of them were minion necromancers as well… NOT FUN ><

Even more so when it seems a ranger on my team fought that rushing into two minion necromancers that are defending the altar is a good idea.

So… is there a way to beat such a crazy team? O_o

SoLeciTO.3490:

Rance Webster.2635 i bring out the dungeons because of one previous comment -.-

Please read instead of trolling around.

I already gave a lot of reasons to bring back the 3 sec reveled and not only me.

My intention is not to talk trash of other classes, my only intention is to be fair here.

You will never see i go to other profession post trolling to nerf them, every class is different and i love that.

The one is whinning here is you, ate the moment someone touches your warrior you start attacking.

It is anoying that someone else talks trash of your profession right? well it is how we feel every single day reading people that dont know how to play their profession asking to nerf other classes.

Dear anet

Nerf Scissors,
Rock is Fine,
Sincerely Paper.

………..

Wow… seriously, I don’t know if you are actually a troll yourself, or if you are a troll food that bring in all the trolls XD.

“I already gave a lot of reasons to bring back the 3 sec reveled and not only me.” … I’m sorry, but so far, your only reason here was basically “THIEFS WERE NERFED, THIEFS WERE NERFED – WE NEED A BUFF”, say it any way you you’ll like, but you didn’t give any good reason to bring revealed back to 3 seconds in terms of gameplay, instead of complaining that thiefs got nerfed, where those that try to buff warriors generally try to explain themselves in terms of the mechanics of the game.

Also, really? trying to ignore what I say by saying “The one is whinning here is you, ate the moment someone touches your warrior you start attacking.”
… The warrior has barely been touched at the slightest, expect by your first message when you tried to bring the message “look at us thiefs, we aren’t equal at all compared to the opness around”…

Yeah, hard for me to take you seriously like that, just get used to the other classes and work a way around the revealed, simple as that.

How the heck did we get to dungeons? this is a PvP forum here? besides, can’t you just use blinds on an opponent in dungeons (the ones with dredge is more of a problem I admit, but I am sure you can try other builds as well)

And I already explained why 4 seconds revealed is reasonable, if you are just going to whine and not give explanations of why it should go back to 3 seconds, then do for all of us a favor and whine in private :O

Authority.6145:

Rance Webster.2635:

… Shadow refuge with stability?… yeah, not a chance, with stability there’ll be no way to stop them in shadow refuge when they use it to make the finishing animation on downed people, reviving people, or to just try and hit them while they are inside (I use my hammer’s 4th skill and burst skill to try and stop them, usually it works)

So basically let me get this straight.

All classes have got stunbreaker for our 45 second elite = checked.
All classes can get us our 60 second refuge = checked
All classes have got/can gain stability (apart from Mesmers I think) = checked

So yeah no stability for thieves but it is alright to have for the rest. Makes sense.

The problem isn’t that a thief shouldn’t have stability, it’s the fact that you want it with shadow refuge… that would make shadow refuge too powerful – stealth self and allies and grant stability? how on hell are we supposed to stop them from stomping our allies or from reviving their allies then? if someone uses just stability do to either, we can still focus our DPS on him in hopes of bringing him down, yet while also in stealth however, that isn’t possible (some melee moves require a target to hit properly, where ranged moves and weapons just won’t be able to hit)

… Shadow refuge with stability?… yeah, not a chance, with stability there’ll be no way to stop them in shadow refuge when they use it to make the finishing animation on downed people, reviving people, or to just try and hit them while they are inside (I use my hammer’s 4th skill and burst skill to try and stop them, usually it works)

… It’s a personal storyline choice, are you seriously going to pick one just for some utilities that you’ll already have? O_O…

It’s your personal story kittenmit >.>

Chase.8415:

Fenrir.5493:

You main a thief, what do you expected, now if you were playing a warrior things wold be different.

Playing a warrior is fun in Hot Joins because you can kill pretty much anyone 1v1 without even trying if you plan your stuns correctly.

As a warrior, you have the ability to stun someone for 5 seconds.

Huh… not five seconds unless you chain some moves

Warriors don’t have that much sustain in the first place, and the utility still is in the end still a 60 stance with a duration of 4 seconds (6 if traited), so it is usually only used once or very occasionally twice – your still on the end doesn’t have that much of a long cooldown, and don’t forget you still have dodge to evade from a counter-attack, while you usually have on your weapon skills ways of defending yourself or avoiding close combat.

If you don’t know how to use what you have to defend yourself, such as a warrior that still uses what he got to defend itself (I count dodges, CC, and GS’s whirlwind in this as well), then as I said, it’s the thief’s fault

… EoN, just because I don’t say that the thief doesn’t need a buff to something, it means I call them OP? I consider necros as too much powerful, not thiefs XD.

Now SoLeci, you do realize that a high DPS warrior is usually also a glass cannon?

And basically, you just explained yourself about the message on damage
If on one root and I am dead, then why when I manage to survive it, a thief can just go back to stealth again and wait to use such power again soon?

Let me explain- from what it seems, a thief can unleash his damaging attacks in about 2-3 seconds, so if the revealed was only 3 seconds long, then immediately after the attack is finished they can go stealth again and get some more initiative, which also mean about no time for the opponent to react and make a counter attack, and the one more second in revealed helps with making that counter-attack… and if you get it by that counter-attack, it’s your fault, simple as that

Also… speaking of differences between WvW and PvP… warrior’s off-hand axe skill “whirlwind axe” is about 50% weaker in WvW and PvE then in PvP, which while it makes sense in PvE, it is kind of absurd in WvW… what I am trying to say is, it seems Anet has a tendency to make chances and differences in a way that doesn’t make that sense…

I already have fluff :P

I need a more bone-colored like armor for the bone part of the orrian heavy armor.

Warriors… highest AoE dps? if you count 100blades, I laugh.

Besides, I am quite certain thiefs got more DPS then warriors, there is even a topic about in the thief forums O_O.

Now… back to revealed… as someone who plays a warrior, I had my fair share of fighting thiefs, who manage to spam stealth by simply letting their stealth to end to attack normally without the “revealed” status getting on them, allowing them attack and run much more easily in combat… so when a thief thinks it is a good idea to attack while in stealth to finish or make massive damage, and in the end doesn’t finish his opponent as he wants, that is his fault if the enemy manages to counter it.

Dirame.8521:

Rance Webster.2635:

Velron.3729:

Why this kitten ing match over the build?

All it takes to make what he is saying is.

Endure Pain, Balanced Stance, Berserker Stance, Sig of Rage

Lyssa rune will condi cleanse before you pop Berserker stance.

30 points into Defense for Stance duration, Cleansing Ire, and Land Stand.

The other 40 points are free to be spent. It only takes those utilities/runes and 30 defense to do what he said.

That’s my point though – I said with ALL the categories he said that can be done, yours for example doesn’t have the traited stance duration increase, or the shield mastery trait, making what he said as not possible (read his message if you want to see what I’m talking about), which for me, since he basically said that it is possible all in one build, proved he doesn’t really know what he is talking about.

Now… back to the point, there is still a problem with warrior about sustain – while the other classes have their own ways of sustain even without perks, warrior has to use traits in order to get more survivability, which means it costs him more in other areas then other classes.

Who said anything about Shield mastery?

Oh… thought when you wrote “shield 5 and endure pain traited”, you meant both, my bad >.<

Still though, I still believe the cost for those things might be too high for a warrior.

Velron.3729:

Why this kitten ing match over the build?

All it takes to make what he is saying is.

Endure Pain, Balanced Stance, Berserker Stance, Sig of Rage

Lyssa rune will condi cleanse before you pop Berserker stance.

30 points into Defense for Stance duration, Cleansing Ire, and Land Stand.

The other 40 points are free to be spent. It only takes those utilities/runes and 30 defense to do what he said.

That’s my point though – I said with ALL the categories he said that can be done, yours for example doesn’t have the traited stance duration increase, or the shield mastery trait, making what he said as not possible (read his message if you want to see what I’m talking about), which for me, since he basically said that it is possible all in one build, proved he doesn’t really know what he is talking about.

Now… back to the point, there is still a problem with warrior about sustain – while the other classes have their own ways of sustain even without perks, warrior has to use traits in order to get more survivability, which means it costs him more in other areas then other classes.

Dirame.8521:

The funny thing is you guys already know the build but you obviously don’t see its potential.

… So, you aren’t going to prove yourself and show that you can make a build with the same capabilities you said a warrior can achieve… sighs, and then you say you only talk when you know what you are talking about.

Dirame.8521:

Dude, I don’t talk unless I know.

If you say so, then make a build that uses all of that, and fits all the categories you said, such 20 second stability, 10 second condition immunity (which by the way, doesn’t erase the current conditions if you are talking about berserker’s stance), and all the other things you said.

Actually, with your current power, each retaliation tick would be 456.075, according to the way the damage calculation of it works in the wiki.

Dirame.8521:

DanzelOPP.5068:

What class would you rather have stalling a point? A warrior or a guardian? A warrior or an engy? A warrior or an elly? A warrior or any other class? I just feel ( like a lot of people) there can be a spot for warrior and I also feel that a more supportive role could get them in the mix quickly without having to completely change your play style or build. With the current condi overload, an the warriors lack in ability to deal with condis, a few simple changes like this could make them more viable and give them sustain. They have a lot of direct damage mitigation with no condi removal? I main elly and I can remove a lot of condis..which allows me to stay in a fight. A net brought up boon hate…we have no class that punishes the boon haters.

You want a Warrior for every one of those questions, why? Stability. They have so much stability up time it’s ridiculous (20 seconds traited, 25seconds with Rune of Lyssa). Couple that with 10sec immunity to condis (traited), 8 second immunity to direct damage (Shield 5 and Endure pain traited) and cleansing Ire and you’ve got yourself what could potentially be one of the best side point holders in the game.

You make it sound like we can get them all at the same time…

There are a couple things that bother me:

1) You got no stability, which basically turns you into a ragdoll if the opponent can use it to it’s advantage.

2) I don’t really like a build that is based around one combo only, as someone said – if the stun break fails, a person can dodge away from it, and then what do you have afterwards?

3) One of the great things about whirling axe is the fact that you can still move, but without swiftness or warrior’s sprint for 25%+ more speed, you’ll have harder time following people with it.

4) You probably don’t know this, but they forgot to type in “Berserker’s power” boost accordingly after the patch when they moved it in locations, just saying

5) non-stability aside, you’ll probably be kitted a lot thanks to cripple, immobilizes, and chill.

By the way, about runes of scholar, wouldn’t it be a better idea to switch two runes of the scholar with two runes of divinity? you’ll lose 70 power and the 10% more damage with 90%+ more health, but you’ll have 4% more critical damage, and about the latter… well, really doesn’t help that much as you’ll might think, people won’t die that easily for it to be useful enough after the first 4 seconds.

I was actually looking more into PvP builds, I don’t play WvW that much to be honest XD (I’m in Vabbi anyway…)