Guild Wars 2

The wonderful thing about filters…
Is filters are wonderful things!

maddoctor.2738:

Rashagar.8349:

Why are you pretending that your experiences are “reality” and other people’s experiences are not?

I’m not pretending anything.

Well the only alternative to you pretending it is you actually believing it, which is too baffling a possibility to consider. =P

maddoctor.2738:

Rashagar.8349:

No, the problem is that “they” (the people I’m talking about), think that they’re accurately stating their preferences (for example by just saying “T4 Daily”) when they’re actually not.

But in reality they are stating their preferences clearly. They don’t have a training run, otherwise it would’ve been stated as such. It’s not rocket science, if it doesn’t have “Training” in the listing then it’s not training.

You seem to be working under the belief that those are the only two states that exist, either someone is doing it your way or they should be in a training run. The options aren’t only “training run” and “normal run” if nothing else because your idea of normal might be abnormal.

What are those other mysterious states then?

Why are you pretending that your experiences are “reality” and other people’s experiences are not?

And you literally listed a third option a couple of posts up! They can’t be that mysterious to you.

maddoctor.2738:

Rashagar.8349:

You’ve been quoting my own posts about how people should state their preferences in the LFG, so how does this comment of your’s make any sense to you?

My comments were about a very specific listing on the LFG and a very specific situation, that is a T4 daily run. Runs that are not the normal are usually advertised as such, including training runs, if it’s not stating it’s a training run, then it’s not a training run. For some reason you want it stated like “T4 dailies, not a training run!” and no matter how many times you say it, it will still be illogical to me.

Besides that, your argument of “accurately stating your preferences” falls flat because even with more complex listings, we still get the same results. The problem here is not that people aren’t accurately stating their preferences, which is what you are turning it into, because in reality they do, and it fails. The question is what happens afterwards.

Is it fair to intrude on others and expect them to play with you, even if they don’t want to? That’s the big question.

But I didn’t even quote your original comment, why are you making it sound like I’m the one turning it into a different argument or something when so far you’ve tried addressing this point

If you want your preferences catered for, then you have to actually state your preferences.

Rashagar.8349:

other people need to know what they are first.

by saying… honestly I’ve scoured your responses to me and I can’t even find a coherent point you’re trying to make, you keep just saying “this new thing is what I’m really talking about” as if it isn’t you that’s responding to me. If you don’t dispute my point or don’t want to talk about it then I don’t know why you’re quoting me constantly, then all you’re actually doing is attempting to deflect it.

But since we’re here:
*reads your new shpeal fully again *
*takes a deep breath *
Right! Firstly

My comments were about a very specific listing on the LFG and a very specific situation, that is a T4 daily run. Runs that are not the normal are usually advertised as such, including training runs, if it’s not stating it’s a training run, then it’s not a training run. For some reason you want it stated like “T4 dailies, not a training run!” and no matter how many times you say it, it will still be illogical to me.

maddoctor.2738:

The problem here is not that people aren’t accurately stating their preferences, which is what you are turning it into, because in reality they do, and it fails.

No, the problem is that “they” (the people I’m talking about), think that they’re accurately stating their preferences (for example by just saying “T4 Daily”) when they’re actually not. What they are doing is making assumptions that their preferences are the default preferences (which they aren’t, necessarily) or that their way to clear content is the default way (which it isn’t, necessarily). Then if someone deviates by daring to not be a mind reader they (again, the “they” I’m talking about) kick them without communicating anything or realising that it might be themselves that are in the wrong. And even if their way is “the default” (because I am entirely uninterested in people coming along to quote this post just to justify to themselves that their ideas of default are the correct ideas of default that everyone else should adhere to), other people might have different ideas to your’s of what “the default” is.

In short:

Runs that are not the normal

Your definitions of normal might not be other peoples’ definitions of normal.

if it’s not stating it’s a training run, then it’s not a training run

You seem to be working under the belief that those are the only two states that exist, either someone is doing it your way or they should be in a training run. The options aren’t only “training run” and “normal run” if nothing else because your idea of normal might be abnormal.
As I said before, skill/experience/knowledge is not a binary state. Some people are continuously learning things as they play. You might even benefit from being one of them =P (Sorry that was probably mean but I think I’ve expended saintly levels of patience here already)

maddoctor.2738:

Rashagar.8349:

If the rest of the group has also joined a group that didn’t specify it’s preferences, how do you know what the rest of them want?

Preferences don’t matter in this case, if you take your time to read the quoted post, preferences were never part of the equation, nor what the LFG listing stated.

You’ve been quoting my own posts about how people should state their preferences in the LFG, so how does this comment of your’s make any sense to you?

maddoctor.2738:

Rashagar.8349:

I haven’t said anything about them either here.
All I’ve said is if you have preferences and want them respected, other people need to know what they are first.
You shouldn’t assume that they’re universal.

And yet you never replied about the part of the fairness.
Is it fair to assume that others will keep you into your team, no matter how good you are?
Putting what they want above what the rest of the group wants?

If the rest of the group has also joined a group that didn’t specify it’s preferences in the LFG, how do you know what the rest of them want?

maddoctor.2738:

Rashagar.8349:

You realise that what you’re saying here is that your preferences are used to being catered to.
I refer you to one of my previous posts.

An “all welcome” group is preference too.

Yes, a preference which they have stated in the LFG.

maddoctor.2738:

Rashagar.8349:

Your way may not be the way that all “non-training” groups play.

And? I never said anything about using dps meters or even meta builds in a simple “T4 dailies” group. I said about expecting players to already know how to do T4 fractals, and not go in and attack Subject 16 while he has the shield up and wipe the group.
I never said someone advertising a “T4 dailies” should kick people if they don’t do enough dps, or if they don’t play the meta builds. You are confusing two different things

I haven’t said anything about them either here.
All I’ve said is if you have preferences and want them respected, other people need to know what they are first.
You shouldn’t assume that they’re universal.

maddoctor.2738:

Rashagar.8349:

Any group that hasn’t stated their preferences is free to be joined by anyone, because they haven’t specified to the contrary.

They haven’t specified it’s an “all welcome” group or a “training group” either. There is a reason on the LFG the casual runs are advertised as such.

You realise that what you’re saying here is that your preferences are used to being catered to.
I refer you to one of my previous posts.

maddoctor.2738:

Rashagar.8349:

You just seem to constantly be trying to justify why only people who don’t share your preferences should need to state them, presumably because you believe that your preferences are the default, when they’re not.

I don’t know why you continue to believe that not-training group should explicitly state that it is not a not-training group. A training group, is a training group, a non-training group is a non-training group. There is no middle ground.

Skill and experience isn’t a binary state.
Therefore a middle ground must exist.
Your way may not be the way that all “non-training” groups play.

maddoctor.2738:

Rashagar.8349:

The problem is that some people are so used to having their preferences catered for that when it stops happening they feel their “rights” are “mattering less” than others (looks pointedly at the post above), when really they’re just mattering as much as everyone else’s.

You mean people who think it’s fair to join any group they want, and that group is expected to take them in so as not to hurt their precious feelings? All while completely ignoring the feelings of the other people in that same group.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

Harper.4173:

I know you would prefer (like anyone else) to be accepted into a group that does well even if you do poorly – but that’s not really fair to them is it?

It is fair to them. It is called tolerance. First it recognizes that people are people and they have feelings.

Any group that hasn’t stated their preferences is free to be joined by anyone, because they haven’t specified to the contrary.

How is this difficult? It’s like 3 extra words. You’ve used hundreds here trying to justify not using these three extra words.

maddoctor.2738:

Rashagar.8349:

If you want your preferences catered for, then you have to actually state your preferences.

Nah that’s not enough, take a look:

Harper.4173:

The sad part is that you can write “exp only” and “meta comp, meta strats, no bads” and still get non-meta, non-optimal strat bads.
People don’t read. Don’t care what the LFG says and then get kicked. Then they go onto the forum and complain having no idea why they were kicked.

And besides, fractals have nice multiple tiers of difficulty, so inexperienced players shouldn’t exist at higher levels. They get training through those amazing tiers of difficulty after all. And second, when a group is for training then it is advertised as such, meaning a group not advertised for training, is not for training.

Stating your preferences doesn’t guarantee that they’re going to be catered for, but it’s a necessary first step.

You just seem to constantly be trying to justify why only people who don’t share your preferences should need to state them, presumably because you believe that your preferences are the default, when they’re not.

Conner.4702:

maddoctor.2738:

If I just put T4 dailies it’s assumed that I want to do the freaking dailies, not teach them. There is no need for “no newbies”, if I wanted to teach I’d put a “T4 daily training” instead.
When you want to train look for the word “training” in a listing, there were loads when the new Fractal was released because nobody had experience with it anyway.

And this right here is your problem. You assume that’s how everyone reads it. Sorry but T4 dailies means just that, T4 Dailies with no restrictions. You not communicating what you want is on you.

Exactly right.
If you want your preferences catered for, then you have to actually state your preferences.

The problem is that some people are so used to having their preferences catered for that when it stops happening they feel their “rights” are “mattering less” than others (looks pointedly at the post above), when really they’re just mattering as much as everyone else’s.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

You’re going to spend endless hours arguing with people on this because you are a stone trying to convince water that indefinite form isn’t real.

This part is particularly amazing.

*referencing my last post *

Well, I suppose it was too good to last…

Wow, so many posts to +1 today. Good job forum!

Wondrouswall.7169:

No thanks. I’d rather have Spirits altered in 3 ways:

• Summoning Spirits is a ranged, ground-target.
• Players cast the Spirit active as a ranged, ground-target which sacrifices the Spirit.
• Nature’s Vengeance increases the passive range instead of the active.

Allows for better placement, the active skill to be in the hands of the player without placing the Spirit in harms way, and NV tweak so Spirits can have more battlefield coverage since mobile spirits returning is just not happening.

As for Traps, adding 1 non-damaging condition to offensive traps on-trigger baseline would help. Flame Trap blinds (3), Frost Trap slows (3s), Viper’s Nest weakens (4s), and Spike Trap immobilizes (2s).

Increase the base burning of Flame Trap from 2½s -> 3s; Spike Trap’s bleeds from 6¼s -> 8s; the poison field duration on Viper’s Nest from 2s -> 3s; and Trapper’s Expertise to add Resistance (2s) on Healing Spring.

The first point for spirits isn’t particularly important to me but I like points 2 and 3.
I remember thinking up once when bored and waiting in an airport some changes to spirit skills I’d like to see, but the details completely escape me now. Might see if I can find/remember them. The general concept of them was making the effects a bit thematically tidier and to have a bit more “take” from enemies to go with the “give” to allies.

Astro Bear.6305:

Rashagar.8349:

Wow. Why don’t I break it down for you for a second.

The meta is there for a reason.

That reason is laziness.

T4 is pre-raid content. Build like it.

No, that’s not how it works.

If you don’t like it. Stay out of high level fractals with pugs.

You do not get to dictate or speak for the attitudes of all high-level fractal pugs.

don’t get upset when some people actually playing real builds doing actual damage kick you

Your build is no more “real” for being meta-bullkitten than anyone else’s is.

I’m just being real

You’re being a real something alright.

Your head appears to be somewhat lodged inside your kitten. I suggest you remove it. Your point of view may be drastically improved.

Ahahahaha, love it! Well my head might be up my kitten but at least I’m not dragging down every fractal group in T4 with kitten poor dps. I’ve noticed only the 3k DPS club boys cry about elitism and how content is hard ect, ect, ect.

Funnily enough, I’ve noticed that only the “goes full glass but can’t kill things fast enough to avoid dying so blames everyone else for their death instead of actually getting good enough to survive a glassy spec” crowd are the ones who cry about wanting dps checks =P

DeceiverX.8361:

Rashagar.8349:

Euthymias.7984:

My main concern is that its going to be heavily “requested” for nerfs simply because people wont know how to deal with the potential options it may present. Black Bear’s Endure Pain and other bunkering strats becoming prevalent would also get people whining about “too much sustain!!1”. =/

Can you imagine how heads would explode if “bearbow pew pew” becomes “meta”?

Now I just need to go take a long shower for using the phrase =P

I actually think it will, even for WvW blobs.

MMS Black Bear + Owl is 15s of power damage invuln, great cleanses, massive engage/disengage, a second heal, and roughly 12s of unblockable piercing attacks from 1800 range with longbow with great boon sharing and condition cleansing if all the traits work as they suggest. It’s basically the best you can do against guardians. This makes pin-sniping trivially easy and makes for a VERY tanky backline that if engaged on can pretty much just tank through the damage and fix a lot of the condition cleanse issues a lot of other backline has.

There’s some serious power in this spec. I think people are too fixated on the loss of meta BM bunker and the low damage coefficients on the BMode skills to really recognize the gains in utility this has.

It might not be a super aggressive PvE DPS spec – druids will probably still be better for organized raids – but to say the very least, it looks kitten ed strong for the PvP formats.

Out of curiosity, why is it that everyone seems to be saying Owl over any of the other birds? I’m guessing it’s something to do with the classification or F3 or extra stats or something but I have no clue of the details.

I mean, I’d be picking it because my norn ranger has always felt a deep connection to the sacrifice Owl made… but I should probably have some other reason in case the decision gets challenged by a nosy passer by/would-be party member =P

Astro Bear.6305:

Aomine.5012:

CptAurellian.9537:

STIHL.2489:

Now, In all my time, I never saw a ‘goof around’ or “test” build running in anything above T1

Go pugging T4 fractals for a while and tell me what you’ve seen. There’s literally everything around there – longbow rangers (has that ever been more than a bearbow joke?) and guards, staff guards, pure shortbow thieves, staff necros, all those greatsword mesmers and I don’t know what else. I don’t need a dps meter to tell me that they are bad, but I don’t want to know what remains hidden behind seemingly reasonable gear choices. When I do as much damage as the other four combined (yes, I’ve seen that happen), a lot of things are wrong.

What’s wrong with LB ranger?
They’re good against bosses that move all over the place or Scarlet.
The known power ranger rotation is LB , Sword+ axe.
The traits for power ranger has been buffed too.

So you’re denying the entire existence of power ranger in general huh…
Saying people are bad just because they didn’t run the top dps condition build for raids, this is the mind-set of people who use dps meter.

Holy kitten you’re trolling right? Look let me break it down for you:

I don’t care what people play in open world, low level fractals or even dungeons (with maybe the exception of Arah paths) If you are in T4 fracs. Play a real kitten build. Don’t bring your special snowflake longbow ranger, condi greatsword mesmer, only main hand dagger thief, or what other dumb build you put together with your little imagination. T4 is pre-raid content. Build like it. The meta is there for a reason. It makes for successful runs and clean runs. DPS meters are in place to show that you’re doing what you need to do. If you don’t like it. Stay out of high level fractals with pugs. If your friends don’t care that you play your 3k dps longbow ranger and want to carry you then fine. More power to them. But don’t get upset when some people actually playing real builds doing actual damage kick you when you show up with that garbage. The whole set of T4 dailies should only take around 30-40 mins depending on what they are that day. Not over an hour. People got things to do. I may sound elitist, but I’m just being real. I don’t expect people to be 30k dps but I expect you to try. /endrant

Wow. Why don’t I break it down for you for a second.

The meta is there for a reason.

That reason is laziness.

T4 is pre-raid content. Build like it.

No, that’s not how it works.

If you don’t like it. Stay out of high level fractals with pugs.

You do not get to dictate or speak for the attitudes of all high-level fractal pugs.

don’t get upset when some people actually playing real builds doing actual damage kick you

Your build is no more “real” for being meta-bullkitten than anyone else’s is.

I’m just being real

You’re being a real something alright.

Your head appears to be somewhat lodged inside your kitten. I suggest you remove it. Your point of view may be drastically improved.

Hmm, a bard would be very easily tied in to sylvari/norn lore if nothing else.
Actual bards working like repositories of knowledge, history and poetry means that tying it in to the revenant could actually work fantastically too!
Ok, yeah, that’s how I’d want Anet to take the concept if they ever worked on it.
Bard being a revenant elite spec who recited the greatness of whichever legend they happened to be channeling at the time to boost the legend’s ego and urge them to greater feats.
Especially now that legends actually talk to us! I want Shiro to get even more smugly superior when you talk up his achievements and Jalis to join in on the harmonies when you start on the dwarven drinking songs.

AliamRationem.5172:

Rashagar.8349:

AliamRationem.5172:

katz.8376:

Dashingsteel.3410:

This thread is still a jumbled mess because everyone has their own definition of the word casual.

OP, could you please give specific things that the developers need to do to “remember the casuals”

This request is just too vague.

Stihl didn’t actually request anything. he simply asked if a certain gamer demographic had been remembered. a great amount of this thread has not actually addressed the question at hand, but instead has quibbled over word definitions and had plenty of accusatory finger pointing, wrong assumptions, and borderline trolling.

Driven by the OP’s responses as well, if we’re being fair.

I consider myself casual by virtue of being a solo player that doesn’t care about the meta. In other words, I “play the way I want to play”. And if you ask me, HoT was a great expansion.

The only reason I’m “quibbling over word definitions” is because I’m being challenged on my definition of “casual”. So let’s not pretend that the OP and those who agree with him own the definition and the rest of us are just trolling.

It’s not that one definition is right and the others are wrong, it’s that one definition is relevant to this thread and the others are less so.
I don’t have to agree with the OP’s definition of the term to use the OP’s definition of the term.

This is such a bunch of nonsense. Where has the OP been clear about his definition of casual?

According to him, it has nothing to do with time spent playing. Oh, but if you have too many legendary weapons and you happen to disagree with his outlook on HoT, that excludes you from the “casual” group.

Also according to him, it has nothing to do with skill. But if you make platinum in PvP and can solo HoT champions, you’re too “serious” and not “casual” enough.

Casual is a mind set, he says. It means playing the game casually, which I gather refers to not taking it too seriously. So when I say I am a solo player that doesn’t do the meta and I play the way I want to, how does that not meet the definition? Apparently, because he says so.

No. I think it’s clear that what the OP really wants is people to agree with him about HoT. He took his own advice and left, but he never got over it and he’s back to argue the merits of it. Has ANet remembered the casuals? Yes. But that doesn’t mean the OP is going to get what he wants.

It’s not nonsense, it’s… sense!

*sigh *
Ok, take a breath (as much telling myself as anyone else here).

You said

The only reason I’m “quibbling over word definitions” is because I’m being challenged on my definition of “casual”.

That might be how you feel. But that is not what is happening here. What is happening is people are experiencing first hand how useless and confusing words can be at getting across meanings, sometimes.
Because the meanings associated with words have those associations because of life experiences that not everyone shares.
There is no right or wrong definition. There is “my” definition and a vast spectrum of other definitions that range from “close to mine” to “what the hell are you even talking about”.
In this case the definition of relevance is the OP’s, because it is the only one that provides a clue as to what their past experiences have been and what point of view they are approaching the topic from, both vital pieces of information for determining how best to provide an answer for their question.

If this is still nonsense to you then either I’m doing a terrible job at explaining myself or you’re just not in a mood to listen. It does sound a little like you’re making some reference to some previous unquoted post of your’s here that I have no recollection of. And I’m sorry to say that words cannot express how uninterested I am in opening myself up to that.

As an aside, if your main point of contention with the OP is over the OP getting a little defensive that their definition of “casual” was being constantly “challenged”, then I’m quite sure that you can empathise with their position.

AliamRationem.5172:

katz.8376:

Dashingsteel.3410:

This thread is still a jumbled mess because everyone has their own definition of the word casual.

OP, could you please give specific things that the developers need to do to “remember the casuals”

This request is just too vague.

Stihl didn’t actually request anything. he simply asked if a certain gamer demographic had been remembered. a great amount of this thread has not actually addressed the question at hand, but instead has quibbled over word definitions and had plenty of accusatory finger pointing, wrong assumptions, and borderline trolling.

Driven by the OP’s responses as well, if we’re being fair.

I consider myself casual by virtue of being a solo player that doesn’t care about the meta. In other words, I “play the way I want to play”. And if you ask me, HoT was a great expansion.

The only reason I’m “quibbling over word definitions” is because I’m being challenged on my definition of “casual”. So let’s not pretend that the OP and those who agree with him own the definition and the rest of us are just trolling.

It’s not that one definition is right and the others are wrong, it’s that one definition is relevant to this thread and the others are less so.
I don’t have to agree with the OP’s definition of the term to use the OP’s definition of the term.

Dashingsteel.3410:

Perhaps Anet has remembered the casuals…….. but unfortunately they remembered their version of casuals and not the ops version…… After all, there seems to be at least 5 different definitions on this thread.

Yeah but the OP gave their definition of the term, and hence anyone who feels they fall into that definition should be able to answer if they feel catered to or not.

The reason why this thread is a bit of a mess is that people have been more interested in going on unrelated tangents like extolling the virtues of one definition over another rather than actually answering the OP with the OP’s supplied definition of the term in mind. The other definitions are immaterial to the discussion because the discussion is (or should be) about the group categorised by the OP’s use of the term.

This post is probably no less messy than the rest of the thread, sorry. My brain hasn’t fully shifted into a useful gear yet.

*Edit, although in fairness, I do not blame anyone who doesn’t trawl through 7 pages of forum posts to find that definition at this stage. If the OP is still interested in an answer (they seemed to have been satisfied a couple of pages ago) they might want to try include their definition in the… OP… (ok I can’t remember if OP means original poster or original post or both but I am definitely not suggesting that the original poster inserts their definition in themselves =P )

Daddicus.6128:

Rashagar.8349:

Because within days of release the drop rates etc will be understood by those that want to know and there will be people who buy them en masse for their massed coppers of profit after prices normalise, amd especially if the price of something fluctuates enough to make it massed tens of coppers or even massed silvers.

Not if the TP price is lower than the minimum sale price, which seems extremely likely. (I can’t imagine anybody actually paying for the things.)

If the perceived value (TP price) of these unidentified whatevers is lower than the minimum sale price there will still be a stack of 200,000 or something similarly ridiculously large for 1c above the minimum sale price on the TP, and there will still be people who buy them (just not as many as people who sell them).
Eg. people who like to gamble, people who what’s it called, invest with an eye for future changes to loot tables, people who aren’t in the mood for actually playing the game to earn their own unidentified gear but still want to try their luck at making a profit or unlocking skins.

Just because you can’t imagine who’d buy them doesn’t mean no one will. I can’t imagine anyone buying green runes/sigils but by your own example there are people who do. I’ve had random terrible level 10 food sell on the TP within the last few days for the coppers they were “worth”. People buy potions of x slaying. People buy tiny snowflakes!!!

But I’m quite sick of explaining my original joke at this stage so it really doesn’t matter.
I’m just going to brace myself for the inevitable person who comes along and decides to explain exactly why buying tiny snowflakes is a great idea and hence somehow my whole post must be invalid.

Ferelwing.8463:

Rashagar.8349:

Ferelwing.8463:

Rashagar.8349:

Manasa Devi.7958:

People seem to think it’s an advantage they stack to 250. How’s that an advantage when you’re finally sitting down to ID that stack? Getting hundreds of useless blues and greens at a time and more green sigils and runes than you’ve ever seen before?

It solves nothing. It just postpones the misery, plus it adds a fee and a few extra steps of busywork for good measure. It’s an absolutely awful prospect.

Yeah but people on the trading post will pay you for the privilege of experiencing it themselves instead of you! =P

Why buy those when you can buy bags on the TP and not pay to have them id’d? Seriously, I know I wouldn’t buy the “unidentified” stuff when I could just buy a bunch of the bags from the TP from say Lake Doric or better yet I could just go there myself and get them?

Because within days of release the drop rates etc will be understood by those that want to know and there will be people who buy them en masse for their massed coppers of profit after prices normalise, amd especially if the price of something fluctuates enough to make it massed tens of coppers or even massed silvers.

Even if the drop rate is known, spending money to ID something that I can just click a bag for will not be worth more in the long run when it comes to profit/loss department. Every drop will be calculated based on how much the cost is, how much time I have to waste to achieve said “profit”… In the long run not paying to see what I get will always win out.
I doubt very much that will change. Unless there’s a 1 and 3 chance of pre-cursor. My own attempt in the demo showed abysmal drop rates for rares/exotics vs how much I spent.

I feel like you’re talking past me rather than to me here. I was originally making a joke (hence the " =P " ) and then went on to just say whatever the price ends up being on the trading post, there will be people who buy them. I mean from the sounds of it it won’t be you. But it will be someone.

Ferelwing.8463:

Rashagar.8349:

Manasa Devi.7958:

People seem to think it’s an advantage they stack to 250. How’s that an advantage when you’re finally sitting down to ID that stack? Getting hundreds of useless blues and greens at a time and more green sigils and runes than you’ve ever seen before?

It solves nothing. It just postpones the misery, plus it adds a fee and a few extra steps of busywork for good measure. It’s an absolutely awful prospect.

Yeah but people on the trading post will pay you for the privilege of experiencing it themselves instead of you! =P

Why buy those when you can buy bags on the TP and not pay to have them id’d? Seriously, I know I wouldn’t buy the “unidentified” stuff when I could just buy a bunch of the bags from the TP from say Lake Doric or better yet I could just go there myself and get them?

Because within days of release the drop rates etc will be understood by those that want to know and there will be people who buy them en masse for their massed coppers of profit after prices normalise, amd especially if the price of something fluctuates enough to make it massed tens of coppers or even massed silvers.

Euthymias.7984:

My main concern is that its going to be heavily “requested” for nerfs simply because people wont know how to deal with the potential options it may present. Black Bear’s Endure Pain and other bunkering strats becoming prevalent would also get people whining about “too much sustain!!1”. =/

Can you imagine how heads would explode if “bearbow pew pew” becomes “meta”?

Now I just need to go take a long shower for using the phrase =P

Manasa Devi.7958:

People seem to think it’s an advantage they stack to 250. How’s that an advantage when you’re finally sitting down to ID that stack? Getting hundreds of useless blues and greens at a time and more green sigils and runes than you’ve ever seen before?

It solves nothing. It just postpones the misery, plus it adds a fee and a few extra steps of busywork for good measure. It’s an absolutely awful prospect.

Yeah but people on the trading post will pay you for the privilege of experiencing it themselves instead of you! =P

STIHL.2489:

Lokki.1092:

Seems like the implication is that you seem to be admitting you have no idea how to play your class, or this game.

If I am admitting I have no idea how play.. I’m not blaming the game, now am I ?

hence.. Admitting I am bad.

(and yah, I just came after a year.. I have no idea what I am doing, hence the Gif I linked)

So it seems they were just trying to be insulting and failing miserably and I should have put a faceplam gif up, but those are so tasteless and tacky, eww.

But if you’re bad at the game then your opinion, no matter what it is, is wrong! (As long as someone who hasn’t admitted they’re bad at the game disagrees with you.)
Don’t you know anything? =P

*edit: apologies if this joke feels like not a joke or something

I’m very tempted to make another ranger just so I can have one that fits a bit more thematically when I make them spit poison.

I mean currently my necro is still dressed like santa

holodoc.5748:

Here is a short version, specifically made for you: gliding = fine, being able to glide away while in combat = not fine.

Strongly disagree. (*edit: with the “gliding in combat = not fine” bit)
For reasons outlined by others above.

OK, I gave in and looked at them.
I am excited.

STIHL.2489:

Well, After getting to play the demo for a bit (and I really wish they had given us a HoT demo like this), I am willing to openly admit that it is much more palatable then HoT ever was, the maps seemed much easier to transverse, and it felt very close to how Core felt, which is a great thing. From the limited bit I played, this truly felt like what their first expansion should have been like, a nice smooth addition that feels like a continuation of the Core game, just a bit harder with some added new things going on.

It’s a beautiful game, and I can see why some people still plat it.

But, to be honest, I am just not feeling any urgency to invest, still feeling a bit burned by HoT.. so, gonna let this one simmer for a bit.

Thank you to the people that took the time to give me insight and answers.

Glad you enjoyed. Seeing for yourself is always the best approach. No one will know your tastes better than you do after all =)

I’m very excited.
Ranger, revenant and necromancer are my favourite classes and they all look to be getting cool stuff (most worried about the necromancer but still going to enjoy it even if people complain about being outside “the meta” since I’ve always liked supports).
I’m interested enough in mesmer and thief that I’m actually trying to get more into those professions just to try their elite specs. Mesmer because it looks amazing (going to have to make a new character for it though) and thief because it suits the theme of my existing thief character so well.
I’ve been eagerly awaiting the return of tomes to guardian. Kind of scared to look at how they’re doing it though just because I’ve been waiting so long that almost anything will feel like a disappointment now because it won’t perfectly match my daydreamed versions.
Warrior is better looking than I could possibly have hoped for, and I can’t wait to dust off my warrior to get a taste of it.

Feanor.2358:

Rashagar.8349:

Feothyr.6072:

maddoctor.2738:

Which is why I said the problem would go away when both LFG creators and LFG joiners know how to type and read respectively.

Agreed. Although I’d argue that always asking for experienced players is a bit short sighted in the long run …

And you would be correct in that belief. That’s about the nicest thing that could be said about it.

Actually not. It’s up to me how I want to spend my time. Failing over and over on simple content because someone has no clue about what he is supposed to do in it isn’t my idea of fun. I often don’t mind carrying an inexperienced player in a party of 5. But I’m not skilled enough to do it everywhere and I’m not patient enough to do it all the time. Hence, I prefer to play with experienced players. It’s smoother, it’s faster and it’s more fun.

None of which is disputing the claim of being a short-sighted practice in the slightest =P

*edit * although it seems that you didn’t put the emphasis on the word “always” in the original quote that I did?

Omgaar.8735:

Man, I thought the guy who said “So long as you completed the dungeon you played right!” was retar()ded. I assume, according to him, mast()urbating while the other 4 people carry me is “playing right”.

However, this guy who wants to remove the whole reason MMOs exist, the social aspect, is insane. A MMO that doesn’t let you play with whoever you want is going to fail miserably.

All this thread has convinced me of is that people who dislike damage meters are so terrible at the game they want to eliminate kicking so they cannot be removed and premade groups so that way they must be accepted.

You realise that this says more negative about you than it does the people you’re referring to right?

Feothyr.6072:

maddoctor.2738:

Which is why I said the problem would go away when both LFG creators and LFG joiners know how to type and read respectively.

Agreed. Although I’d argue that always asking for experienced players is a bit short sighted in the long run …

And you would be correct in that belief. That’s about the nicest thing that could be said about it.

CptAurellian.9537:

TheRandomGuy.7246:

Link to research please.

Won’t happen, for obvious reasons.

Because all the researchers are busy studying Eve Online? =P

I’m sure it’ll get fixed…

… eventually…

I like it! Can’t understand who would claim vets hate it. Also don’t really believe that disabling gliding in combat would be an improvement. Anyone who wants to run away from a fight will do anyway, they’ll run a build with that goal specifically in mind, and it gives a bit of a mobility advantage to being on the defensive.

maddoctor.2738:

And that player will get kicked, once you join a couple of “experienced” run and succeed then you know you are experienced.

Honestly I think this is one of the problem attitudes. I’m sure everyone has encountered the type of person who’s like “I know I can’t be the issue because I’m experienced so it must be one of you”. The game would be a whole lot more interesting if people took a more flexible approach to problem solving instead of the attitude of “this is what’s worked for me in the past so I’m going to keep doing it no matter what and if it doesn’t work this time it’s someone else’s fault because it’s worked for me in the past”.
End of slightly ranty tangent.

Ashley.9304:

notebene.3190:

It’s why I probably won’t ever get to make one of the newer style legendaries, since you have to do fractals, and I’m betting no one wants me to tag along.

I did manage an old school Bifrost before HoT, and did Aurora, so that was fun.

It’s just not fun. Even if you “can” do it. People always assume that if you’re against meters you’re a bad player, but that’s not true. Whether I know what I’m doing or just kind of bumbling around, either way, the "meter’ makes it unfun. It’s like being policed by people I don’t even know, and since we don’t know each other there is a free pass to be jerks.

It’s unfun. I can’t tell you how many times in WoW we’d down a new boss and the first thing everyone would do is start comparing their meters to see who “beat” who. Uhhh… didn’t we just collectively beat the boss? Why are we now beating each other when we are supposed to be a team?

Maybe I just don’t have the same competitive mentality and therefore don’t “get” it. I’ve always hated this DPS meter stuff though. It’s a pass to be mean, unhelpful, and it causes real anxiety for a lot of folks to know that we’re all essentially being spied on by total strangers. I could count on one hand the times I saw someone use DPS meter information as a learning tool. The number of times I saw someone use it as a free pass to be rude? Boy, I’d need to grow 200 more hands to count that.

Completely agree, and I would selfishly ask you/others of a similar mind set to please not leave over it since we need all the reasonable people in-game that we can get =P

EnderzShadow.2506:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Levetty.1279:

What has brought you to this conclusion?

The same thing that causes everyone else to post that ANet hates their particular class in their class subforum. Happens daily.

ANET are bad at class design.

None of the classes I’ve played in this game, at ANY time have played as smoothly as the ones in WoW. (Oh no! Are you triggered? )

The lore of the class means more to the devs than the actual functioning playability of each class.

Hah! Why would I be triggered by you having a wrong opinion?
Usually an opinion can’t really be “right” or “wrong” but you’ve managed to have a wrong one here so congratulations I suppose? =P

So is it the price of IDing that’s objectionable?

Convenience vs hassle seems to balance out. (Items stacking so less inventory space taken up vs needing heart vendors)

There were some posts I really enjoyed in this thread, from the OP and others, but it’s gotten too long for me to quote/respond to/find them now.

Leaving aside the term casual, I’m not sure how our tastes match up but here’s a rough breakdown of mine:
I loved open world content in the base game, never really got into dungeons because of grouping and the attitudes of some in there, have done some fractals with friends/guildies but only very rarely since our timetables and my mood have to be in alignment, love the festivals and the living story, got into wvw because your gear/build etc mattered a whole lot less to other people in there and I felt free to play my own way, got really excited for HoT coming up to release, hated dry top, loved silverwastes, took part in the beta weekends and when HoT released I…. stopped. Couldn’t get into it, don’t know why.
Love of the festivals kept me coming back to the game, and after they would end I would stick around for a bit longer and retry getting into HoT and each time I would get a little further into the story and the zones would seem a little bit more intuitive. Then I would default back to wvw but inevitably quit because of the big looming chore of a to do list I felt HoT was. When LS3 released I managed to make myself finish the HoT story so I could try it and… all of the undefined stuff that kept me from enjoying the HoT maps just melted away and I felt like it was a return to the game I loved again.

I have no idea why I love the silverwastes metaevent chain but the other map-wide event chains don’t work for me. Even now I’ve only done Dragons Stand like twice.

But I do feel like LS3 is a good sign that Anet have learned how to strike a happy middle ground between the two extremes of their playerbase. I’m optimistic going into PoF, the main difference being this time I’m not going to be taking part in any of the beta weekends, just in case.

Tere.4759:

nacario.9417:

No encounter has 20 adds. Please dont exaggerate in order to bolster your point. Every boss more or less has the M3 mechanic where you are rewarded if you are quick to press it, and then the encounter get easier. Every classbuild are not able to defeat the bosses, you need to change it around based on the encounter. I do agree that these fights do require you as a player to understand whats happening in the fight and know your class well, but personall I enjoy that. You could always do them in group though yes?

I counted 10 adds, do I have to be completely accurate for you to understand my point. And after the reponse this has gotten, there is no way in hell that I will ever group with anyone in this game. I’ve played SWTOR, and I have to say most of the responses here are worse than there. And for the jack**s who called me a liar, I’ve got words for you but I’ll not say them here and get banned from a game that I just paid a lot for.

I would say try not to let the biases and verbal diarrhoea of some individuals get in the way of your enjoyment of the game, but I know it’s not as easy as it might sound.

Edit
Though if you can get past the posts of those certain individuals then there does seem to be some good advice in here.

Abakk.9176:

Pino.5209:

Tere.4759:

Never mind, should have figured you’d all spread that Git Gud crap. A solo player can’t kill a dragon even in exotic armor with pitiful weapons. I’ve tried a warrior, a guardian, a necromancer and all couldn’t get through the second part of story mode with I counted 10 after me and the boss and something shooting fireballs.

Plus I was talking to the devs, not you.

Hilarious, a veteran player that got killed in that scenario with a necromancer. You are obviously lying to the teeth.

So far you have insulted OP twice for posting a problem he/she has with an encounter.

Don’t you think it would be more constructive to analyse the problem and come up with a good advise instead of “git gud” and flat out calling liar?

People that also struggle with content like that could also benefit from that, because im sure there are a lot more.

We weren’t all born with ‘mad skillz’ and some of us even have IRL nasties holding them back.

Maybe a tad more empathy? …. please?

It doesn’t even have to be anything nasty getting in the way, sometimes it’s just internet quality or machine age.
People with “skills” often conveniently overlook the fact that their successes are propped up by hardware and infrastructure that not everyone might have access to.

But I honestly believe that it’s just the case that empathy is a “skill” some people never bother developing.

Does that mean that there’s no cancel option on a name change scroll like there is for the hairstyle/makeover kits?
Interesting.

Jav.8439:

So i’m a bit confused on why there is so much salt for Condi Ranger. I’ve been playing this game since beta and put the game down like 2 weeks after Hot was released and just came back to the game a month ago due to RL. My point is before HoT the meta was zerk/power w.e you wanna call it for YEARS. I come back to the game to find the community had finally accepted Condi in other activities other than PvP. I was extremely happy to play ranger again. Why so much salt?

Basically because people are flawed irrational creatures. =P