Guild Wars 2

Jamais vu.5284:

Did somehow everyone being vocal in this thread against GvGs miss that those GvGs mostly take place on Thursdays or Fridays?
Are you putting your fingers in your ears and your hands on your eyes and pretend (and just for this topic) that most matches aren’t a complete blowout by Saturday afternoon, let alone Thursday or Friday evening?
Really?

And are you completely blind to the fact that the reason why us wvw’ers are complain about gvg’ers is because those silly matches happen just about every day of the week?
And I suppose that you are also blind to the fact that a 20man gvg match taking place while 5 ppl are trying to defend their bl against a 15-20 man zerg and loose the entire bl just doesn’t happen? And I can’t tell you how many times on my previous server that we were ‘blown out’ by Monday, and still managed to place first for match by reset. Give me a break!

Liquid Storm.8097:

Riondron.1069:

Liquid Storm.8097:

Riondron.1069:

GvG is stupid blah blah blah

What the people in WvW do is none of your concern. If there are 20 people on your server that want to do a GvG, there are also 20 people on another server that want to do them. So the numbers are even. And if you are so concerned about losing because of those 20 people fighting a private match for 30-60 minutes and not capping stuff, then your community should seriously consider forming more WvW-based guilds.

As for your comment about not interfering – it’s about respect. Of course you can jump right in the middle of a GvG fight, the game won’t hinder you and the devs won’t ban you if you do. But considering there is no official GvG mode in Guild Wars 2 (the irony) and guilds may only play that mode in WvW, show some respect and consideration and do not interfere. After all, guilds doing GvGs get better by doing them and they can see whether they’re on the right track. The data they get from wiping in WvW is insufficient because you can’t tell whether they’re fighting bigger groups or smaller groups, organized or disorganized, level 80 with proper gear or without.

So stop complaining, go play WvW like you want to play it and let others play it like they want.

Really? How about the gvg’ers start having respect for their server by actually contributing. and if those same guilds can’t get the ‘data’ they need by fighting for real in wvw, then they should probably be playing Mario Cart.

Who usually wipes enemy blobs? Who storms in to save the day when there’s a threeway at Bay? Who is coordinating with another guild to capture Garrison while the other guild serves as a decoy at Hills? Organized guilds. And why are these organized guilds wiping groups twice or even thrice their size? Because they are coordinated and know their stuff. Why’s that? That’s right, GvGs.

Saying these guilds don’t contribute to WvW and gain points for their server is an insult to every guild who has done both WvW and GvG.

An insult? I have belonged to many organized guilds, and even owned one, and we have NEVER dueled or gvg’d. Ever. And we are the ones that are saving towers, wiping zergs, capturing etc… So how do you explain that? And the best part? We do it while the gvg groups are paying pretend behind the windmill. does gvg teach siege placement? does gvg teach attacking or defending a tower? does gvg teach ppl how to properly port a golem train? does it teach them how to stay in a group and not wander off of chase down a group higher numbered ppl? so please tell me again just how much gvg teaches any of these things, and I’ll give you my ocean-front beach house in Arizona, all taxes and transfer fees paid.

Liquid Storm.8097:

Riondron.1069:

GvG is stupid blah blah blah

What the people in WvW do is none of your concern. If there are 20 people on your server that want to do a GvG, there are also 20 people on another server that want to do them. So the numbers are even. And if you are so concerned about losing because of those 20 people fighting a private match for 30-60 minutes and not capping stuff, then your community should seriously consider forming more WvW-based guilds.

As for your comment about not interfering – it’s about respect. Of course you can jump right in the middle of a GvG fight, the game won’t hinder you and the devs won’t ban you if you do. But considering there is no official GvG mode in Guild Wars 2 (the irony) and guilds may only play that mode in WvW, show some respect and consideration and do not interfere. After all, guilds doing GvGs get better by doing them and they can see whether they’re on the right track. The data they get from wiping in WvW is insufficient because you can’t tell whether they’re fighting bigger groups or smaller groups, organized or disorganized, level 80 with proper gear or without.

So stop complaining, go play WvW like you want to play it and let others play it like they want.

Really? How about the gvg’ers start having respect for their server by actually contributing. And if those same guilds can’t get the ‘data’ they need by fighting for real in wvw, then they should probably be playing Mario Cart.
edit:
In my experience, the majority of those gvg guilds ONLY play for gvg, and don’t care less about ppt, ranking, or the wvw population in general. I hear it from them all the time, and it is well stated in the forums as well. Most of the comments about it boil down to this: “don’t interfere with our gvg matches, but either way, we aren’t going to help you out at all”. I have never seen gvg guild in a current ‘private’ gvg match ever leave the match to go save bay, hills, garri, ,or the keep in eb, because they are too busy in their match to go help out the server.

JavaChips.5629:

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

One thing i dislike about Gvg community is ‘we want gvg, we want it now, we need it now, we deserve it now, if you don’t like it, we quit/massive complain’.

Let’s get some things straight. Gvg mode organizing will take more manpower then spvp and that gamemode already required tons of recourses.

Server cost money. With only 50 euro per bought game, Anet doens’t have the luxury as Blizzard to not carefully spend their money. In my opinion if gvg is so important to you (it sort of is a new part of game, a big expansion, and in that context, with the new servers also having to be paid, a fee would be justified, something like 30 euro’s.

Anet is fighting a hard battle atm. While they must fix bugs non stop, they must brainstorm non stop for new content (it’s not like, you think 5 min and then you have the genius of creating a perfect update, it takes time). Secondly they must (well not really, but it’s their style now, so they are bound to it), put manpower to living story. Thirdly i’m sure they are doing a lot of ‘simple’ stuff to update the game to be even more fun, but these things look on paper easy but take tons of time (take search function for example, i’m sure it took those two guys months of work for it). You guys may hate pve, dungeons, fracs, but it’s a big part of gw2. And that function will update that part of the game pretty well. But stuff like this takes time. Anet must make choices on what to do first. Lately they slowed their pace of the ‘bigger patches’. I think that’s because behind the scenes they are working exhausted (the most obvious word is filtered, sorry to put it like this) on new stuff. And who knows, gvg might be one of them…

The world isn’t perfect. Neither is gw2. While customers are king, gw2 cannot be perfect for them. Gvg cost time, resources and money, something GVG people seem to think grows on Anet backs. It doesn’t. And if you even remotely take the time to think about this, you’ll realize your crazy complaining how wrong anet is for not having gvg yet, is misplaced.

I will have to agree as well. I do partake in wvw gvg’s but each time I do feel guilty as there are better ways to achieve these goals. A gvg is more structured then wvw, I believe on the back end they are working on a means to fulfill these needs by the players. In the meantime, instead of giving anet an ultimatum, just wait for it to be released. It has been shown in the past many times that Anet pays attention to it’s community.

[HL]JavaChips – SoR

And they likely have a very long ‘blacklist’ of whining forum babies to ignore entirely.

Not Scoring Points

name issue solved

mrstealth.6701:

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

One thing i dislike about Gvg community is ‘we want gvg, we want it now, we need it now, we deserve it now, if you don’t like it, we quit/massive complain’.

This is the one thing that makes me have little sympathy for many members of the gvg community. It’s not all of them, but there seem to be quite a few with this attitude. For whatever reason, they think they are more important to WvW than anyone else, and that whatever they do contribute to wvw gives them the right to spend hours taking up queue slots and not contribute. You might play wvw when you’re not gvg’ing, but there are many others that play just as much. And no matter how much time/effort you put into wvw, while you are doing a gvg, you are just taking up slots with a chance at giving a small amount of points for stomps.

I do think that the Anet employ in question went way too far, and his/her behavior was just outright inappropriate and extremely unprofessional. On the other hand, I do have to agree with the point/intent. WvW is not GvG, and it shouldn’t be.

The fight might be comparable to two organized groups clashing in open field, but a “real” open field fight is likely the result of one group’s intent on capturing something. A “real” open field fight can determine the success or failure of that goal. If you defeat a guild group in a gvg, you aren’t stopping them from doing something, nor are you opening up a chance for your server to take an objective. Open field fights are part of the “war” that is wvw, gvg is just a wrestling match on the back-lot.

Very well said, I commend you!
The whole silly idea that wvw is for gvg is just preposterous. If this were the case, there would not be a PPT, but instead, there would be ‘scoring by kills’ i.e. ‘Deathmatch’.
And to those who complain about getting interfered in a gvg: Wake UP! You are trying to hold a ‘private’ match in a ‘public’ place, that does absolutely nothing to gain points for your server, and that hurts everyone. I purposely do everything a can to interfere with that silly garbage. Why? Because it just does not accomplish anything for anyone, and then you all cry foul like petulant children when your ‘match’ is disturbed. Don’t like it? Then rent a pvp server, play wvw as it is DESIGNED to be, or go play a different game. Believe it or not, you gvg’ers are a Minority in the whole wvw population, so instead of whining about how we screw up your matches, start giving some consideration to how you are screwing up the wvw matches for the Majority of us.
Just sayin’

Dovgan.8605:

Since ET always likes to talk about class, lets talk about ET’s very own PK. We took a few newly rolled characters out into ARBL, these “classy” ET not only chased the uplevels all over the map, but proceed to jump on the corpses as well. Please never talk about the level of class your server has again. You are deluded to think you are some special group of players lacking in forum warriors and other antics.
To PK, keep hiding in supply camps and killing uplevels, maybe one day you will graduate to fighting even numbers on even terms. (Who are we kidding, my level 20 lead you all on a merry chase, you had a hard enough time with that.)

I present to you what real clkitten scumbags look like.

Dude…next time post a picture that provides evidence of what you say occurred. I see no dead body, and it appears as though the player in question is landing from jumping down from above.
And seriously, in a matchup like this, you are running on uplevels??…..then you deserve to get rolled. Last time I checked the score, HoD was winning. Maby you should worry more about them, and less about server class. Just sayin’

^ I second this. Win the week FC!

“There’s a sucker born every minute”

Northern Kittenpeaks is much better…

junglizm.5843:

3 Leagues of 8 servers doesn’t work because the total has to be divisible by 3.

It is not 3 leagues of 8. It is 1 league of 6, and 2 of 9. Read the update on the main page of the gw2 website.

Theftwind.8976:

Jakare.6807:

Classy as kitten henge. Minutes in and youre camping us at our spawn. I CAN’T HANDLE THE PRO SKILL LEVELS!!!11!1

Now if you place it in context we were defending the SE tower. You pushed us to the tower, we pushed back. you pushed back and it went back and forth like that. You were after our tower, we were defending it. It was not intended as spawn camping, just straight up defense. You made no effort to go out of your spawn by the other two routes, as you were after that tower. Unless of course you would prefer to have us hide in the tower but Henge does not roll that way.

You’re right! Henge comes out of the tower running for their lives when we take down a wall or gate….

AR is being as classy as ever…
These two thieves must have just gotten their first kill.

DevonCarver.5370:

leviN.4390:

Hey DevonCarver, us bottom tiered server would like for you and your WvW decision buddies to join us over the next course of 7 weeks of WvW fun.

And I mean for you guys to actually participate. Not looking at stats and numbers from data collection. Join one server, a week and actively participate

Then actually get back to us with a written report on how fun it is

Sincerely

All bottom tiered servers that has kittenised by league

I will be on NSP throughout the duration of the season. And I will be getting the meta achievement.

I will be on NSP throughout the duration of the season. And I will be getting the meta achievement.[/quote]

Is this the announcement you were talking about? lol, just kidding. Ignore the vitriol from the posters: we are just a bit anxious to hear some good news

P.S. Come join ET instead. I recently left NSP…you will discover very quickly why players are leaving that server, and it has nothing to do with wvw coverage….

And my guild transferred to ET.

Trollin’ trollin’ trollin’…
keep the forum’s trollin’…
Trollhide!
(whip crack)

Runamok.9638:

Here is what I see right now….

ET does have a number of fair weather karma trainers out in force for this matchup. We did have less numbers out on the field last week when we were other other side of the coin….outgunned and coveraged against IoJ. My WvW rank thanks everyone out and about this week!

ET definitely has grown slowly and steadily over the past few months. On average we field more people in WvW than we ever have since the “glory days.”

ET right now has a great group of commanders and leaders on the server. The growth in use of TS has been amazing for our coordination. It also makes WvW tons of fun! Our TS gets as much use on a daily basis as I have seen up in T2/3. Really our ability to communicate to defend and then back up each other offensively is amazing. Improve coordination and working together as a server has been a key source of our improved Glicko rating.

There has been a homecoming taking place for a lot of old time ex-ET’ers. A lot of the old core WvW leaders/veterans have been coming back. I love it, its so great seeing many old friends return and get to play with them in a decent WvW situation for the first time!

ET also also drawn a lot of onesy-twosies from other servers. The last few weeks I have seen folks in LA professing their love for the ET community upon their transfer over. Some of these folks have been PvX’ers, PvE’ers, and WvW’ers. I have enjoyed meeting new folks and welcoming them to our community.

There have also been historically PvE guilds stepping foot into WvW for the first time. We have been helping these folks get acclimated to WvW and making them feel welcome. It is great showing people that WvW is serious bidness, but also lots of fun as well. The random madness both in TS and on the field is quite addicting.

What we have not had on ET is an influx of WvW guilds from other servers. The growth has been slow and mostly organic which has been wonderful IMO. So there haven’t been too many growing pains. I suspect that eventually we will see an influx of WvW guilds to ET. I hope we handle these growing pains with the grace and patience once we are confronted with them.

I don’t think any guilds are transferring now. However I think once folks experience the new WvW seasons there may be a lot of shuffling. When that shuffling cursors I like to think that ET will be an attractive destination server for serious WvW guilds looking to be part of our community.

-brotha

The guild that I am in, PPP, did begin to transfer to ET this week

This is all the data you need….

I transferred to ET last Thursday, and I must say, this server is very organized and has a very fast response time. Everyone here works together and knows what needs to be done, and I don’t see any infighting between players, nor anyone arguing with or griefing commanders. I haven’t gotten on the TS yet, but I am very impressed with the organization on ET and quite satisfied that I transferred here. I came over from NSP, and while I have many friends there, I will not be returning to that server. ET is better organized, the people here are friendlier, and the community as a whole is more mature. Everyone here contributes to wvw and helps out where it is needed, without question or argument, and the players are all committed to making ET the best server that it can be. I simply cannot describe all of the differences between ET and NSP, and if I could, it would take up about 10 forum pages – the differences between the two are vast. So if you are looking for a good community with a winning team spirit like I described, then please consider moving to ET: you will not be disappointed.

I transferred to ET last Thursday, and I must say, this server is very organized and has a very fast response time. Everyone here works together and knows what needs to be done, and I don’t see any infighting between players, nor anyone arguing with or griefing commanders. I haven’t gotten on the TS yet, but I am very impressed with the organization on ET and quite satisfied that I transferred here. I came over from NSP, and while I have many friends there, I will not be returning to that server. ET is better organized, the people here are friendlier, and the community as a whole is more mature. Everyone here contributes to wvw and helps out where it is needed, without question or argument, and the players are all committed to making ET the best server that it can be. I simply cannot describe all of the differences between ET and NSP, and if I could, it would take up about 10 forum pages – the differences between the two are vast. So if you are looking for a good community with a winning team spirit like I described, then please consider moving to ET: you will not be disappointed.

“Run you fools!”

I am currently on Nsp server, and looking to possibly move to another server b4 the leagues start. We have too much infighting in Nsp, and as a defensive/roaming commander, I’m getting quite tired of all the drama. I contribute as much as I can to my server; I like being the underdog, and I was extremely impressed with how well ET fought against us a couple weeks ago, outmanned as you were. I have a few other friends that may be looking to move there as well, and any/all information that you can give me on the server’s wvw community would be much appreciated. Send me a pm or in game whisper. Thank you, and good luck!

Atherakhia.4086:

lol, no.

Most servers out there play with a queue.

Huh???

Good job of buffing the servers with the most population, Anet! Let the mass transfers begin….

Omne.4603:

Riondron.1069:

Omne.4603:

Riondron.1069:

Awesome….another absurd matchup. Thanks Anet, you are doing a fantastic job of making players abhor wvw. New players spend 15 mins in these matches, quit, and never come back. Why don’t you just shut it down altogether, and save us the repair/upgrade bill.

Thank you for your objective analysis of WvW and Arenanet’s performance. Please send me your twitter so I can follow you.

moutzaheadin.4029:

Dear NSP,

Look down , grab your balls. Yes they are still there.

Stop the crybaby stuff. Fight for the fun of PvP. Being zerged constantly makes you a better player.

So please no more QQ about omgzerged!.

Just fight.

That is all. Ty.

This^^^^. So sick of seeing people cry about kitten they have no control over. If you are not winning any fights in this or the last matchup my advice is simple: Get better or join a real guild or both. If your objective is to win xfer to T1, if your objective is to become better and fight good fights then fight on theres plenty off bodies to drop this week.

For kittens sake, I make simple comment meant to be a sarcastic/ironic remark and everyone takes a kitten fit over it; then I have the choice of either defending myself, or trolling everyone else to the point of lunacy.

I chose option 2…..

And seriously, since you are the guild leader of the largest NSP wvw guild….are you really suggesting that to win, anyone would have to transfer to a t1 server?? Because that would be just be entirely counter-intuitive to what we, as guild leaders have been trying to accomplish. Which would suggest to me (maby true, maby not) that you could give two kittens less about winning, and may be one of the reasons why are ranked where we are? Just sayin’….

What I will say, not suggest, is that if winning and PPT is the most important thing to you, then yes you should leave NSP. PPT is not what we are generally known for and I’d venture to say that to many its not the most important thing. The primary reason to me that it is not the most important thing is because often time matchups are from a population/timezone perspective imbalanced and as currently I can not personally change that I don’t put all my stock in it. Winning is nice and Os does try to contribute to PPT when we can but the most important thing to us is self improvement through good fights. Good fights to me being defined as either 1:1 against good players(GvG) or going into WvW and fighting wave after wave sometimes 3 or 5 to one odds and seeing how well you fare. That being clarified, yes I and my guild are one of the reasons we are ranked where we are. As are you and anyone else on the server.

As are you and anyone else on this server? Really, don’t lump the rest of us into your sour viewpoint. Apparently, you have not been paying attention the numerous players that bust their kittens off trying to make a difference for the whole of the server, to try to push us ahead in both rankings, and personal betterment. Yes, we all know about the numbers game in wvw, and how it effects the outcome of a matchup and consequent ranking. And make no mistake, we have all heard numerous times about how Os plans to throw a matchup, just to get a better (lower ranked) matching: the dedicated wvw players are very aware of that fact. Quite frankly, I and many others find that to be pitiful and degrading to everyone who DOES want to have a winning server, and again, it simply compounds the population issue that we have. So either contribute to the server’s success, transfer, or get the kitten out of the way of those of us who do care and contribute, and stop trying to dictate whether or not we will place good or bomb out on any given week. That’s my final opinion on the matter. Good day to you, sir.

Omne.4603:

Riondron.1069:

Awesome….another absurd matchup. Thanks Anet, you are doing a fantastic job of making players abhor wvw. New players spend 15 mins in these matches, quit, and never come back. Why don’t you just shut it down altogether, and save us the repair/upgrade bill.

Thank you for your objective analysis of WvW and Arenanet’s performance. Please send me your twitter so I can follow you.

moutzaheadin.4029:

Dear NSP,

Look down , grab your balls. Yes they are still there.

Stop the crybaby stuff. Fight for the fun of PvP. Being zerged constantly makes you a better player.

So please no more QQ about omgzerged!.

Just fight.

That is all. Ty.

This^^^^. So sick of seeing people cry about kitten they have no control over. If you are not winning any fights in this or the last matchup my advice is simple: Get better or join a real guild or both. If your objective is to win xfer to T1, if your objective is to become better and fight good fights then fight on theres plenty off bodies to drop this week.

For kittens sake, I make simple comment meant to be a sarcastic/ironic remark and everyone takes a kitten fit over it; then I have the choice of either defending myself, or trolling everyone else to the point of lunacy.

I chose option 2…..

And seriously, since you are the guild leader of the largest NSP wvw guild….are you really suggesting that to win, anyone would have to transfer to a t1 server?? Because that would be just be entirely counter-intuitive to what we, as guild leaders have been trying to accomplish. Which would suggest to me (maby true, maby not) that you could give two kittens less about winning, and may be one of the reasons why are ranked where we are? Just sayin’….

Kaiser.9873:

moutzaheadin.4029:

Dear NSP,

Look down , grab your balls. Yes they are still there.

Stop the crybaby stuff. Fight for the fun of PvP. Being zerged constantly makes you a better player.

So please no more QQ about omgzerged!.

Just fight.

That is all. Ty.

This guy gets it. Please no QQ about not having any players out either. NSP had a very respectable mapzerg on EBG last night. They had one group of >40 rolling around capping things for a good long while. Will the numbers stay for you this week? Who knows. Did you have a presence on other maps? I have no clue, because I was on EBG last night.

The fact about this clusterkitten that ANet has created is that from time to time you get a crappy match. We had 4 in a row that were against us, and the last two have favored us. For [EK] it’s better to be outnumbered a bit, because we know we will get fights. You can’t get better in W3 with no fights. We do not want to drop into the silver or bronze or whatever the kitten bracket is 13-24. The fact of the matter is that with this jacked up match we will have to beat you by 200K on the week to keep our rank.

Don’t play for PPT if you feel that it is pointless. Play to get better. Play for fights.

Win by 200k???? I’m just bawling my eyes out for your plight. I play for the fights and the ppt. But there is no ‘fight’ when getting smacked to the ground by 20 ppl at once. Oh, you had 4 bad matchups in a row? I just feel soo bad for you. Look at your rank, then look at ours, and tell me how good our matchups have been. We have not had a “fair” matchup since this whole random number garbage began.

And just for the record, we loving call the “outnumbered” buff the “NSP buff” for a reason. It has made better players out of all of us. I’d venture to say that our dedicated wvw players are some of the best in the game, but, that number of players may equal out to 20% of yours. We don’t need to play to get better: we are better. We just need more of us. And i’ll say it again: this matching system is murdering our wvw participation. But we have easily 100 players rolling the dragons and the Orr temples. In fact, we are the only server to consistently complete the temples Every day. One of the reasons why the pve players do it, is the blatant fact that they are tired of getting constantly steamrolled by servers with superior numbers, which just keeps compounding the issue.

So you like playing outnumbered? Then transfer to NSP server and revel in the glory with us. Otherwise, spare us your ridiculous comments about just “playing for the fights”

Perphection.8209:

Riondron.1069:

…Rally what I can? Play for fights? That’s easy to say when not getting rolled by roughly 3x numbers. That isn’t a fight at all: it’s a massacre! CD has 3-4 times the number that NSP has in wvw. How the kitten is that supposed to be fun?

If you’re looking for even numbered fights, you’re not going to find it anywhere in WvW. Do you understand how rare it is to find a “fair” fight?

I would take an outnumbered fight any day of the week because THAT is FUN! You need to rethink your statement and realize that losing is the best thing that can happen in WvW.

Do you know how many of the CD players are “Fair Weathers” right now? 60% of them at least. PLEASE go clean them up, send them back to dragon slaying. They are yours for the killing believe me I’ve seen them play and it’s horrendous. Enjoy your outmanned week and have some epic fights that you’re actually proud of.

Lol….fair fight. I am not looking for a fair fight, but I am also not looking for 30v90 either! 60% of your pugs still double our numbers, if not more. I rather enjoy playing outnumbered, but not to the extent that we have this week. I don’t think you understand just how badly you outnumber us. And I do agree with you that many of your pugs are just plain horrible. But my beef is with this horrid matching system, and not with CD..(though I really do hate you all). And with the upcoming league system? None of us will enjoy it at the least.

Gismor.8407:

Riondron.1069:

Awesome….another absurd matchup. Thanks Anet, you are doing a fantastic job of making players abhor wvw. New players spend 15 mins in these matches, quit, and never come back. Why don’t you just shut it down altogether, and save us the repair/upgrade bill.

It’s attitudes like that that are no fun at all. Even though we got matched with TC and FA (FA 3 or 4 times in a row) my Guild kept going out there, and having a blast. We love outnumbered. Just rally up what you can, and bring them out. In matches like this, don’t worry about ppt, just play for fights. Believe me, we aren’t enjoying this matchup any more than you. [EK] loves fights, but we haven’t had really any. Don’t give up little one. <3

Please don’t call me ‘little one’ – I am likely old enough to be your father. Rally what I can? Play for fights? That’s easy to say when not getting rolled by roughly 3x numbers. That isn’t a fight at all: it’s a massacre! CD has 3-4 times the number that NSP has in wvw. How the kitten is that supposed to be fun? And I did not imply by any stretch of the imagination that I was giving up. I was merely alluding to simple fact of why we continue to have poor wvw numbers, and why new wvw players are instantly discouraged from playing in wvw. A new player, getting absolutely obliterated by ludicrous numbers of enemy players is what turns them away. Simple truth: the disparity in numbers between us is purely insane, and this matchup should never have taken place. Period.

These past two weeks, I have seen more players declare that they are done with wvw, or transferring servers, than I ever have before. I am not discouraged in the least: I am merely pointing out the raw truth.

Awesome….another absurd matchup. Thanks Anet, you are doing a fantastic job of making players abhor wvw. New players spend 15 mins in these matches, quit, and never come back. Why don’t you just shut it down altogether, and save us the repair/upgrade bill.

This post is not intended to be a griping session, but instead a vehicle for possible dialogue between players and devs. I don’t expect a response from Anet, as the usual response we do get is simply more nerfs. But I still have to try to elicit a positive response. So please keep this post going, and do not be nasty with the replies. Ty.

The node shows up on my mini-map, but no way to access it. At the edge of Malchor’s Leap, and the Straits of Devastation.

Many players have complained about Anet not caring about the ele, pointing out build, survivability, one weapon slot, dismal damage…..etc. I have read many good ideas submitted by players on these forums regarding how to repair and re-balance the class in respects to itself, and other classes. However, there seems to be a major lack of feedback from devs on the ele forums. As of this post, there have been only 3 reply’s by Anet in 20 pages of player posts.

This lack of communication is partly responsible for the discouragement that ele players feel about the class. We, as players have figured out that something is terribly wrong with the ele class, when for example, 2 hits by a warrior down us, but we need to hit a warrior 12 times (not precise estimate) to down it. We know that we have the squishiest class in the game, and also far more complex to play than the others, but our damage compared to survivability is complete trash. Just give us some damage! But please, Anet, start communicating with us about what you plan to do, if anything, with our class, or players are just going to continue to feel like Anet just doesn’t care about, or plan to do anything with the ele class to address our concerns.

I myself play many different classes – I even soloed a tower with my ranger- and the ele is one of my favorite. but in relation to the other classes that I play, the ele is the most difficult to solo with, esp in wvw, because 2 hits by just about anything is fatal, whereas I can easily take a dozen or more with the other classes. I have tried just about every possible combination of builds/weapons/armors/runes/sigils imaginable, but the results are pretty much the same. Damage builds = die easily. Survivability builds = still die easily, and I’m not exactly a pushover playing ele either. So what gives, Anet?

JobCreator.1956:

Riondron.1069:

put the camera up your butt, and target the BOTTOM

LOL

LMAO oops!

Nnekk.5806:

Riondron.1069:

Nnekk.5806:

Ronin.4501:

The only posts I’ve seen referencing SBI using hacks in this entire thread were in regards to Arrow Cart fire, and as we’ve already explained over and over, it wasn’t a hack. Spend more time working on siege placement during off-hours and you’ll realize that.

Just a pic showing an AC taking out a Treb on the Star in SM….yet SM was not breached. I found the guilty AC right outside of the outer wall. I didn’t get a screen the AC because I was chasing down the perpetrator who was on the AC…a SBI person. By the time I got back to the AC, our guys had destroyed it.

I died with the Treb because I was like “WTF, where is that coming from?!?” and looking to get a screen of the perpetrator.

Couldn’t report them/identify them as they logged out or otherwise disappeared.

Anyways, I KNOW some of your SBI guys are exploiting. Meh, is that what it comes down to?

That is not a hack, or an exploit, and is very easy do to, especially for someone with points in ac. Just set it up along the wall, and look up. Simple. It would seem that many wvw players really don’t know the difference between what is or isn’t an ac screen view exploit. So until Anet finds a way to eliminate the true exploits, the argument will perpetuate.

From the location the AC was located to the location where the AC hit, it WAS a hack.

I tried it myself using 5 different AC’s from that same location I identified earlier. It is not possible to target up and over the wall to any of the platforms known as the “Star.”

BTW, I do have the increased range mastery in AC. Why do you defend an exploit? Do you use such exploits and easily dismiss them to others because you have “special” knowledge that many others do not?

Get real, please.

I will say this one more time. IT IS NOT AN EXPLOIT. Go into your GW2 video options settings, and adjust the screen resolution to the highest possible setting for full screen, then as you use the ac, zoom out the whole way, put the camera up your butt, and target the BOTTOM of the platform, like everyone else does it. (the ac must be placed Directly across from the platform) And if you still can’t do it, it may be because of the size of the monitor you are using, and it’s native aspect ratio/resolution settings. My machine is connected to 46inch 1080p hdtv, and my screen may just show a naturally wider view than what you have. I will not go into detail as to what consists of a ‘hack’, as there is more than enough info and screen shots of it on the interwebs. But there are also plenty of screen shots showing the legitimate way which I described for you.

Nnekk.5806:

Ronin.4501:

The only posts I’ve seen referencing SBI using hacks in this entire thread were in regards to Arrow Cart fire, and as we’ve already explained over and over, it wasn’t a hack. Spend more time working on siege placement during off-hours and you’ll realize that.

Just a pic showing an AC taking out a Treb on the Star in SM….yet SM was not breached. I found the guilty AC right outside of the outer wall. I didn’t get a screen the AC because I was chasing down the perpetrator who was on the AC…a SBI person. By the time I got back to the AC, our guys had destroyed it.

I died with the Treb because I was like “WTF, where is that coming from?!?” and looking to get a screen of the perpetrator.

Couldn’t report them/identify them as they logged out or otherwise disappeared.

Anyways, I KNOW some of your SBI guys are exploiting. Meh, is that what it comes down to?

That is not a hack, or an exploit, and is very easy do to, especially for someone with points in ac. Just set it up along the wall, and look up. Simple. It would seem that many wvw players really don’t know the difference between what is or isn’t an ac screen view exploit. So until Anet finds a way to eliminate the true exploits, the argument will perpetuate.

Alaric.7628:

If anyone is interested in learning how to get zerged here are a couple tips:

Let them see how many people you have, they will not attack if semi-even
Run away a bit to let them know you’re scared, it encourages over extension

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t99Bm7ZVkP4

That rocks! Outnumbered and against siege for 15+ minutes. A very fine display of NSP skills and pride! Kudos to you. Wish I was there to share in the fun. (now i’m jealous) lol

@dank…

you said:
Let me ask you something. If you play Chess or Checkers against your 5 year old child, do you play with the same desire to “win” or, do you just play to play and have fun in the process? If you played a game of COD 5vs10 of equally skilled players

I said:
I even threw in checkers and chess, which are evenly matched 1v1 games

so how does a 5yr old, or 5v10 in COD equal out to ‘evenly’ matched?

you said:
The emotional response in playing these games is prompted by being faced with a challenge and trying your best to overcome it, not the sole result of winning

you also said:
Yes I do have a lot of fun and get a sense of pride when I am able to win a hard fight with a good player.

and here too:
I never said nobody cares, I said it doesn’t matter

my point:
if it doesn’t matter, then how do you achieve a sense of pride while ‘winning’ a hard fight?

you said:
The emotional response in playing these games is prompted by being faced with a challenge and trying your best to overcome it, not the sole result of winning. Also from being with and working together with people you build a relationship with over time. For some people it is all about being on the winning team, but mostly those people are insecure and have other issue that need validation.

my point:
find an athlete, any athlete, that says before a game “I will do my best today, but I don’t care if I win or not”
so according to your logic, go tell Ray Lewis that he is “insecure” and has “other issues” for wanting to win the Superbowl. Let’s see how fast you can run….

you said:
It is also a fact that in the last year the LARGE majority of matches have been in-balanced population/coverage wise.

and said:
I see it every day, every match. Our BL gets zerged to hell by 2-3-4-5 times our numbers

and said:
Please point out the last time NSP won a match against same or larger numbers

my point:
do you see the contradiction in your own words about wether or not our server is even remotely close in wvw population?

and lastly, you said:
Going by your logic, that we should all be playing with the goal of “winning” in mind, in order to receive an emotional and psychological reward. Should we as a server quit playing for the week, since it is obviously impossible that we will even come in second? The chances of us winning are none, and it is because of population and coverage-period

(sigh): by your own admission, you are saying that we can’t win simply because of coverage, when this simply is not true, as we have done just that, on more than one occasion. Seems like you are looking down on the NSP server.
We each have our own goals in wvw, but they pretty much boil down to winning, whether it be badges, keeps, the maps, the entire week, or simply 1v1 fights – which you admitted to. But, the majority of us want to win the week’s matchups, and work very hard to achieve that for Everyone, not just for ourselves, but the entire NSP server. And this is also the source of our pride. So please do not be so quick to dismiss what we as a server are feeling toward the matter of winning the week out, just because you don’t share the same sentiment, when you say that “it doesn’t matter” That just insults everyone who works hard and spends a lot of time and gold in wvw to make it enjoyable for everyone, not just ourselves.
Good luck to you in wvw, have fun and enjoy yourself.

My last post on this thread.

SBI, YB, good luck to you and have fun. I’ll see you on the field

Maladon.5760:

NSP is certainly winning the forum spam contest. We should have a parade for you guys…in Dallas…in 1963.

lol, I see what u did there.

@dank

1. I don’t refuse to acknowledge a numbers difference, but I do refuse to let it define us.

2."we were not outnumbered for all of them, but I will give a very conservative 65% to 75% of the time we were. " and this is where I stated that We Can Win When Outnumbered. Is your reading comprehension so low?

3.And where did I ever say that NSP was a terrible server? I have done nothing but promote the server and it’s players. (sigh)

4. And we’re back to my lousy sports analogy again “desire to win a “game” like chess, golf, baseball, football, soccer, hockey, basketball, monopoly, checkers, Call of Duty, or even a first grade spelling bee, incites such strong emotional and psychological responses both within the participating players, and/or the fans and spectators of such “games” ?(and yes, the above examples are games)”……so…read it 5 more times and point out your single-minded misconstruction of the entire concept. The implied ideal here is that the teams are evenly numbered on the playing field. Sorry, but just don’t see anything mentioned here about being outnumbered in ANY way whatsoever. LOL, I even threw in checkers and chess, which are evenly matched 1v1 games, but you must have missed that also. (can you even tie your own shoes?) It was entirely written to draw a comparative correlation on the psychological rewards of playing with a goal in mind, and that is called ‘winning’.

5. We have all experienced the scenarios that you gave about the game. But you failed the mention the times when 5 ppl have been able to rip a zerg of 30 apart with superior ac’s.. And what you described (which is quite accurate, btw) simply does not happen to NSP all day long, or we would be sitting at the very bottom of the rakings.

6. Just for the record, NSP has been able to take an entire bl with 2-3-4-5 times less numbers than the other server. And if you really can’t believe that as a possibility, then it could be that you are basing it your own wvw abilities, which must be painfully horrid.

7. And with that in mind, you said that you have been hopping servers? It seems that you have acquired great skill and experience doing it. My humble suggestion for you is to keep doing it – you seen to have no faith in NSP, whatever the circumstances.

As for me, I started out on NSP, and this is where I will stay. I take pride in this server, numbers or no numbers, and I have respect for those trying to make a difference here, and not giving up on their home server, as u have apparently done on many, many servers.

dank.3680:

Riondron.1069:

Numbers? Since when does NSP have numbers? I am seriously rofl! And we have one many times!

Please point out the last time NSP won a match against same or larger numbers. And you don’t get to include beating HOD during super fun box week when even though they have a larger WvW population, they weren’t there during the week and we in fact had larger numbers in WvW.

Oh and by the way, it’s funny that you use sports as an analogy. You know a fun fact about every single one of those sports? If the teams are not exactly even, the game doesn’t get played. Why? There is no “pride” in beating a handicapped team.

sorry u took the sports analogy to another planet. numbers were never an intended part of it….

Since I can’t aquire the stats for how many ppl were online during the matches. I will simply post the weeks that we ended in first place. we were not outnumbered for all of them, but I will give a very conservative 65% to 75% of the time we were. we don’t have the greatest record, nor are we dead last, as seems to be the general direction of all the doom and gloom. and some of the weeks where we lost, was against major servers, that we did rather well against, all things considered.
32 29 28 27 25 10 50 46
yes it looks terrible, and there are a number of 2nd place finishes. we have improved though. and yes, if we all start playing together more, it will improve, along with our population as a result of the wins.

@Themanbat

(sigh)… sorry the last post was so long, I hadn’t realized that my coffee had worn off. Better now
The movie…is a joke a rip and irony and a pun all rolled into one. Sorry if you didn’t get it. My point there, is that a video showing ‘occurances’ is not indicative of 100% wvw play, and should not be used as such. I spend a ton of time in wvw, much more so since I became disabled (yeah it sucks, but it is the only life I really have atm). I’m sure that you do also, but apparently we each of us are looking at the general state of our server from wildly different points of view. I see wvw as all of the maps combined, not just a central area, and I look for the points tick in the larger scope of the thing. My impression – correct me if I’m wrong – is that you see it from an individual squad view (not in all instances, of course).
But the bigger points that I am attempting to make are these (again, correct me)
1. I know that we have zerg and zergling issues. We all know that, and we need to fix it
2. Pointing to a video of occurrences, (likely heavily biased) do not help to fix the bigger problem we have, which is server morale. It only helps to feed that darkness further. Low feelings about nsp is what resulted in the exodus of many good commanders to borliss 2 months ago.
3.Telling ppl that they still haven’t learned how to manage builds in relation to the expected form of combat after a year, does absolutely nothing to make them feel any better about themselves, true or not, and further drives them away from really caring about it. And saying that ‘zerglings are bad’ has the same effect psychologically. Yes we all know that they need improvement, so instead of talking negatively to/about them, teach them. It will help improve the game experience for all of us.
4.All of the negativity about “how we can’t ever win” that is prevalent on our server is the defining reason why we can’t get ppl to stay in wvw and learn how to play/gear/zerg/roam/think. And new players read about it in pve, and never set foot in wvw because of it.
5: There are also some VERY large guilds that mostly run in eb, which is a new players likely first entrance into wvw, that are teaching them very badly how play in all aspects of wvw, especially when it comes to ‘overreaching’, and having no one to defend against any number of enemy, outnumbered or not.

So forgive me if I get bent out of shape regarding these discussions, but I will do my hardest to stamp on the negativity that is rampant on NSP. We all know it is there, so pointing it out by saying things like ‘When we win, it isn’t because of cooperation or skill, it’s because of numbers’ (your exact words), continues to perpetuate the negativity – especially for ppl new to wvw, or those considering it. We have a long hard road trying to reverse this, so again, forgive me for getting bent over it. WvW should be enjoyable for everyone, no matter their play styles or personal goals. And nobody enjoys it when we do get crushed by a 60 man zerg, with no way to counter or stop it, due to our poor wvw population as a result of derogatory comments about our servers abilities, no matter how small in scale. I hope this clears up the apparent confusion on where I had intended to take this in the first place. Oh dear… I made another long post. now to make some more coffee!

@Themanbat

Did you really reference a video as being definitive proof that NSP players can’t beat larger numbers? And I suppose you thought that Godzilla was proof of a giant monster that regularly attacks Japan? And wait a minute….how many times have I read posts on these forums from XOXO members talking about how they were creaming groups almost double their size? And you say that NSP players have not learned their classes yet? And that we don’t actually have an effective chat box usage? Apparently, you actually believe that YouTube video’s are the be-all end-all of evidence. You also seem to believe that your own personal witnessing of said issues must be true 100%, simply because you saw them, in real time, everywhere, at once, so there can’t possibly be any proof whatsoever that is contrary to what you say. DR and SF usually puts up twice our numbers, and when is the last time they won against us, if numbers are your only basis for how wins are given, since we so obviously can’t win by skill, no matter what tier of server we face? I have defended our bl against superior numbers many times, using only the chat box…so please tell me again, how it wasn’t effective? And how did any mmo ever survive w/o use of vent in the early days? And what’s with the double standard that your guild can beat double the numbers, but no one else can? What is that all about?? And….AND you are on NSP server, but you continue to run the rest of us down, saying that we can’t use our classes, can’t 1v2, can’t coordinate, can’t win no matter what……..
I am trying to talk about the good things that we do, and accomplish every day against superior numbers, and you are just running us down……why are you even on the server then? Apparently none of the rest of us can do any good in your sunglass-covered eyes, so why are you still here? Seriously!
And you are doing it in full view of the public, where everyone, especially NSP members, who help rezz you when your down, or help when ur taking a camp, ect… I have never seen any member or your guild tell someone that their crappy skills wouldn’t be useful to them while taking a camp. And please don’t try to associate your guilds’ mindset with everyone else’s – that’s just ludicrous! Oh there may be some, but certainly not all, as my experience working with and holding vent meetings with many of the other guilds would prove. And some of them are the largest guilds on the server.
You don’t know everything that goes on behind the scenes, so stop assuming that your dreadful interpretation of the NSP server as a whole is the norm.

oh….do you work for the white house? is your rl name Jay Carney by any chance? just asking.

I’m done. If you want to continue to bash your server, that’s your choice. But I will keep my pride in NSP, and it’s members, and continue to help it improve, as I always have, and always will. Have a good day, sunshine.

To Danny, I owe a apology regarding my taking it that you wanted to leave wvw. The content suggested to me, in your reference to transferring in and the comment about not caring, showed discontent and an allusion to wanting out. And also an apology if you did not include the whole server in the ‘we’ statement. If it was not your intention to include the server in that ideal, then next time please don’t use ‘we’ in such a statement, as no one else but you and yours are going to know who you are talking about. Anyone reading the post not knowing to whom ‘we’ are, will assume that ‘we’, under English language norms, means everyone involved. And without the benefit of knowing who was involved in such a bland sentence, then the interpretation is up for grabs as to whom ‘we’ are. As for myself, viewing the sentence structure and subject matter, I interpreted ‘we’ as pertaining to all of us. Take a closer look at it, and you will see what I mean.

Nikkinella.8254:

Aww, you beat me to it. I wanted to post that pic. Oh well, I’ll still post it anyway since it’s such a beautiful sight it’s worth seeing twice.

Sorry bro, but I don’t see anything beautiful there lol

Numbers? Since when does NSP have numbers? I am seriously rofl! And we have one many times! And as far a the many guilds not using viop or not coordinating or not wanting to improve, you are sadly mistaken, and need to get a handle on what you are talking about before making such wide encompassing accusations about the other guilds. In fact, we (meaning many guilds small and huge) have weekly meeting discussing the how we can each improve upon the same accusations that you just leveled upon us! And I have seen many of your own guild members building siege and helping to either defend or retake a tower. That seems counter-intuitive to what you are talking about in regards to ‘roaming just for fun’, and those very same actions are what contribute to either gaining or keeping points, which magically, leads to winning. Granted, the voice communications on vent have gotten rather shy since Smitry is absent, but it is still in use. Oh yeah, I forgot, there is this little nifty thing on your screen where ppl can coordinate and organize…it’s called a chat box! And about vent, some of your guild members have worked with me and other guild leaders there, and not a single one of them gave off the impression of wanting to loose. And more…some of them have even gone so far as to follow on my tag, when trying capture real estate for points, and they seemed fairly proud to me of this, when they, in /say chat while standing over the tower lord’s lifekitten dy, said “WOOOOO HOOOOO!” Say it isn’t so! I never described it as work, so if you perceive that I did, it’s because apparent that working with anyone else is ‘work’ to you – perception is reality, but only within- think about that, I’m sure you’ll get it. For the rest of us who ‘get it’, coming from any server, any time, the feeling of pride and accomplishment that comes from working together, and winning, is the payoff that makes us feel better in the morning as we head to work/college/school/the daycare…etc.. If you have no such feelings of accomplishment in this game or ‘Hobby/Pastime’ then it is you, my friend, who should be wondering about this ‘wasted life’, when you yourself, by your own admission, are apparently ‘wasting your life’ by even playing the game in the first place…(facedesk)

@Themanbat

Really? I have absolutely no idea whatsoever which guild Danny belongs to, or the mindset of that guild, nor do I care. And not all games have a physical, or “spendable” reward. I never got paid a single dime for any of the sports/games that I have participated in throughout my life, but I was still Rewarded for my efforts. What is this magical reward that I speak of you ask? It’s called pride. Pride in being there, even if off to the side. Pride in contributing. Pride in winning. And Pride in my server and the other players and their efforts in WvW. May be you don’t understand the concept, or just on a smaller, more personal scale. MY Pride is for the entire server, working together as a team to accomplish a common goal: winning. If losing was the point to such an arena as WvW, then it wouldn’t exist. In fact, no games would exist. (well, let’s just exclude solitaire) Ever solve a Rubic’s cube? Totally different thing form WvW? What about the good feelings you get when you accomplish such a feat? (and no, taking it apart doesn’t count) That is called pride. It’s what many of us feel who play in WvW, and to discount such feeling as “idiocy” that we as WvW players have on NSP , is “idiocy” in itself. I’m sure you feel pretty good about farming wxp, or else there would be no incentive to do so. As far as the gentleman in question goes, he stated that he Wanted to leave WVW; it really should not come as an earth-ending shock when someone says “go ahead and leave, because apparently you aren’t happy here (nor contributing in a way that would instill any sense of pride whatsoever to yourself, so why stay)” But the apparent insult that to the hard work that many ppl give to the server for reasons of Pride, is what got under my skin.

KTDannyCZ.2910:

Riondron.1069:

KTDannyCZ.2910:

Riondron.1069:

KTDannyCZ.2910:

yes. YB and SBI are bigger and better zerger servers. Since ive transferred to NSP i have captured a total of 3 towers and 1 keep over a period of a few months. I dont care about winning/score neither do the rest of us

Dude….please…don’t try to speak for the rest of us.
I have taken at least: 10-15 towers, flipped camps 40+ times, and taken keeps (hills an bay) at minimum 15 times, all since the restart, as have just about everyone on all the servers.
So for you to say ‘3 towers and 1 keep’, is absolutely absurd, unless you have only spent 30 minutes in wvw over several months. So please, don’t say that the rest of us don’t care about winning or points.

Unless you mean in the past 2 months I havent been a zergling. And the keep capture was at like 3 AM with 4 people because there was no action. Ask anyone, I spend good time in WvW. I just dont care

I am not a zergling either, and I play at all hours of the day and night, due to insomnia. I soloed 5 camps tonight by 2:00 am eastern, and took back our towers at least 6 times in our bl. Sounds to me like you are making up excuses for lack of contribution, and if you really are under the attitude of “I just don’t care”, then perhaps spending ‘good time in WvW’ just isn’t for you. And complaining about, and making generalizations based solely on your inability to help the server, and making statements on the forums regarding your discontent about NSP is not helping you, or NSP. Quite frankly, it is foolish. So please, only speak for yourself in these situations, and do not load the rest of us aboard the pity train. Thank you, and good luck,

Oh man i wrote a nice little few sentences and then my internet kitten ed.. anyways heres a summary of what i was gonig to say:

Oh jesus.. i have never asked and will never ask for NSP’s help. I do not care about score because I (along with all of my roamer friends) know that the real skill and fun resides in roaming WvW. I dont care what you zerglings ( yes you are a zergling) do with your time.

5 camps solo is not impressive, nor is zerg capping 6 empty keeps. But really i dont care nor have any interest in going on..
Its ok I once was a zergling too back in like.. October.. so i sorta know how you guys feel. Im sure zerglings have learned that they have more than just the “1” skill by now.. maybe they can press “2” or “5”?

(actually i take that back, it is a little naive of me to assume such a MASSIVE increase in skill over a period of 1 year)

If you or any of your pug zergling friends or anyone else by that account.. Chris, Art,Rex minus5chromosomington would like to comment further, my character name is KTDannyCZ in game. But dont expect anything honestly.. that would just be embarassing

Then apparently, u have misunderstood what I was getting at, so let me ‘dumb-it-down’ for you:
1: I am not a zergling, and I rarely visit EB, so don’t associate me that uncoordinated nightmare.
2: Those towers were fully manned, in our bl, and needed to returned to NSP hands
3: I mostly run in the bl’s ROAMING SOLO, or in a small group of 5
4: Who said that the camps I soloed were empty of enemies? u know, non-NPC’S?
5: Look very closely at what you just wrote…u have effectively insulted the majority of the server, not just once, but several times, and if those ppl reading these forums (and many do) start giving you grief in WvW …“a spoon full of sugar makes the medicine go down”
6: And if the things in your original post really are the only things that you have accomplished in WvW, do to whatever reasons you may have, then you have truly wasted much of your time playing WvW. And I do not mean that as an insult, just a simple observation based on your own statements, which, I must assume, to be true.
7: Seriously dude, if you really aren’t interested in playing WvW anymore, then why bother to log into the forums, and post your apparent dissatisfaction, for everyone to see? Just stop playing WvW. So simple a caveman could do it.
8; I would never have even responded to your post, had you not included the “the rest of us” in your statement. I find that statement to be insulting, not so much to myself (I’m a big boy), but to the NSP server itself.
9; Did you think my guild was named NSP? Is that what you were referring to about asking for help? Just needed some clarification there.

And again, good luck to you.

Themanbat.3206:

Riondron.1069:

KTDannyCZ.2910:

Riondron.1069:

KTDannyCZ.2910:

yes. YB and SBI are bigger and better zerger servers. Since ive transferred to NSP i have captured a total of 3 towers and 1 keep over a period of a few months. I dont care about winning/score neither do the rest of us

Dude….please…don’t try to speak for the rest of us.
I have taken at least: 10-15 towers, flipped camps 40+ times, and taken keeps (hills an bay) at minimum 15 times, all since the restart, as have just about everyone on all the servers.
So for you to say ‘3 towers and 1 keep’, is absolutely absurd, unless you have only spent 30 minutes in wvw over several months. So please, don’t say that the rest of us don’t care about winning or points.

Unless you mean in the past 2 months I havent been a zergling. And the keep capture was at like 3 AM with 4 people because there was no action. Ask anyone, I spend good time in WvW. I just dont care

I am not a zergling either, and I play at all hours of the day and night, due to insomnia. I soloed 5 camps tonight by 2:00 am eastern, and took back our towers at least 6 times in our bl. Sounds to me like you are making up excuses for lack of contribution, and if you really are under the attitude of “I just don’t care”, then perhaps spending ‘good time in WvW’ just isn’t for you. And complaining about, and making generalizations based solely on your inability to help the server, and making statements on the forums regarding your discontent about NSP is not helping you, or NSP. Quite frankly, it is foolish. So please, only speak for yourself in these situations, and do not load the rest of us aboard the pity train. Thank you, and good luck,

Oh, sorry if we play a video game for fun. Seriously, anyone who cares about the score in this game must have a sad life. And the day you start paying us is the day we’ll make it our job to “contribute” to that pointlessness. Also, anyone who doesn’t see the usefulness of a small guild who ties up over 3x their number for long amounts of time and tells them to leave WvW must be an idiot. Either way, we don’t care.

Ok, fair enough. But…
If winning in WvW is “pointlessness”, then why is there a scoring tick every 15 minutes that accumulates for a sum total over a period of 7 days and nights, resulting in one of the 3 servers involved having a top score, and ultimately determines a given server’s WvW ranking in relation to other servers as a whole?
And I am well acquainted with the value of what a small guild can accomplish, as I am the leader of small guild which does what you describe.
And please tell me, in my previous posts, when did I ever tell a small guild, XOXO or any other guild for that matter, to leave WvW? I was referring to the “individual” in question, not a guild, and it was merely a suggestion because of his stated discontent.

And lastly, we all have our own definition of what “fun” is, and for myself, in a game that has a scoring system used to determine a “winner”, that means the fun is in winning, as a competitive value, or else I and many, many other players across the different servers would just pve.

Oh and btw, if caring about the score in a game is determinant to having a “sad life”, then please explain how the desire to win a “game” like chess, golf, baseball, football, soccer, hockey, basketball, monopoly, checkers, Call of Duty, or even a first grade spelling bee, incites such strong emotional and psychological responses both within the participating players, and/or the fans and spectators of such “games” ?(and yes, the above examples are games)

The majority of WvW players on NSP take great pride in what we accomplish – win or lose – and to say that their contributions are pointless, does a great disservice to those who work very hard to ensure the server’s success. And this isn’t something that is only inclusive to the NSP server. Furthermore, suggesting that “getting paid” is a needed incentive for “contribution” to happen" is a slap in the face to any elementary, high school, ,or college player in any type of “game” format.
I hope that you aren’t speaking for everyone in your guild, as I have respect for your guild for all the times that I have requested help and have gotten it, without having to explain the driving purpose behind wanting to “win” the game. And if you are….