Guild Wars 2

Mesmer circlejerk response in 3 2 ….

Its fun. Ranger is back in the box and enjoying the DH greatly. Nice to have some decent and interesting mechanics, and no chitty AI pet.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Roy doesn’t play ranger, doesn’t like rangers, doesn’t know how to kill them on his revenant. That’s why druids got overnerfed. Cause Roy is not Impartial, neutral, objective. He knew kitten wel it’s an overnerf. I think Irenio’s sleep was bad the last nights, cause his hard work got shafted, by one higher up decision. Roy basically destroyed Irenio’s Druid, with a few number crunchings. I normally don’t judge people, but there’s about 99,99999999% probability, this is what happens, all the signs are there, since start of game. If one person, who clearly doesn’t play enough professions to have a balance grasp does this, then we have to speak up about it.

Mike O’brien, please set things straight. It’s not correct for one employee to take all the fun away from expansion content, that promised to look good in beta/twitch. Not that this is gonna happen but one can hope. Roy is on a hugely wrong, biased, unbalanced path. More then ever.

As much as I too love to hate on Roy as the enemy of all Ranger kind, do you have any proof that Roy is behind the gutting of Druid?

Not quit my Ranger, but having much more fun playing DH.

Its like a tanky spikey ranger without a pet, and some nice skillshot mechanics. The DH traits also synergise very nicely with the existing G traits/mechanics.

Currently Druid to me seems to be a broken/unreliable mechanic pasted on top of an already underperforming/unreliable mechanic (pets) – no synergy at all. It don’t want to use staff or TU in my build so I haven’t been able to switch to AF form once yet.

Gated play style (healbot) behind gated weapons (staff/TU). Bleh. So much disappointment.

Eurantien.4632:

You realize they already nerfed it… right?

You have of course completely missed the meaning in the OP

I agree this nerf seems justified. Put your best men on it monday morning and get these mechanic nerfed into the ground Roy style.

They dont ignore Rangers.

Smokescale was nerfed within 36 hours.

Business as usual for ANet.

No. It’s fine.

#adapt

Worst aspects of both adren and DS mechanics, all rolled into one CD gated (and specific weapon gated if we’re being honest here) mess.

Piccolo.7296:

LegallyBinding.4937:

Don’t bother. It was nerfed into the ground.

What do you mean?

There’s a “slight” issue with Astral Force generation.. and transformation gating…

If you only want to use Staff and Troll ungent youll probably be ok.

Don’t we suspect that they had intended to get some sort of Aspect thing as the main Druid mechanic.. couldn’t get it working.. and then had to fall back on the CAF idea as it was easy to implement at the last minute (aka deathshroud healbot).

By the time all this was done it had fallen so far behind that it was only viable to be the last spec to be officially released?

.. and make it proc AOE chill/weakeness every 5 secs

Nicknobreak.7543:

Obviously this isn’t intended. Otherwise it would have been clearly stated in the patch notes.

Its not like the decay was present before and its effect has just increased accidentally with a larger than intended value. This is a fundamental mechanic change to a system and has been knowingly and intentionally implemented.

I don’t think its an issue of ‘hate’, more an issue of lack of testing, knowledge and forethought.

Puck.9612:

Sandzibar.5134:

HoM pets are essentially reskins of already available pets?

New ones are new with brand new functionality?

That’s even more of a reason they should be included. After 3+ years of failing to fix pet problems they decide to create new pets with skills that work around the broken mechanics instead of overhauling the old pets.

Not disagreeing buddy. Just trying to work out how they justify these sort of decisions.

So Roy just asked me to compile a list of stuff to nerf into the ground in next weeks adjustment patch.

So far I’ve got:
1) the smokescale
2) lingering light

:D

HoM pets are essentially reskins of already available pets?

New ones are new with brand new functionality?

Reaper runes chill on shout apparently…

That seems pretty good for a defensive shout ranger build maybe? (might need wilderness for condi clear as you drop trooper runes hmmm).

Unintended WHaO / Guard buff? lel.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

mistsim.2748:

Holland.9351:

lol, including yourself?

meaning that when you heal yourself, you blind on next attack and heal for 600 without any healing power. same applies to anyone receiving your heals. I don’t think many understand how strong this is.

That is the best trait Druid has for PvP/WvW, by far.

Roy nerf in 3 2 …

Looking forward to testing it when I get back from work.

I had thought to go Druidic Clarity / Celesital Shadow / Ancient Seeds on my Skirm/BM shout build.

Now – given how bad AF apparently generation is, and how we cant maintain a full AF bar moving from fight to fight- it makes traits like Druidic Clarity and Celestial Shadow pretty bad choices.

Will give Cultivated Synergy / Verdent Etchings / Lingering Lights a try instead. Cultivated Synergy has synergy with lingering lights. Verdant etching might be good, but I still think glyphs are in a bad place.

Didn’t we go over this during the beta? and didn’t they say they’d change it so that Staff and Troll weren’t mandatory?

I’m pretty sure we had that discussion.

It has blind on it? oh man. How did I miss that.

mistsim.2748:

Lingering Light is so OP

Did lingering light get changed or am I missing something?

Snowywonders.1378:

Well, any suggestions for a new profession to main?

Stock Ranger is still fun, and might get some love further down the line (hahahaha sorry I tried to say that with a straight face).

Chrono Mesmer – still OP as frack and received no nerfs at all during the HoT testing. Safe bet to main. Will be god tier for months.

I will also try dragon hunter, because bow.

I suspected Id be sticking with basic ranger anyway.

Least we’ve still got super new pets right?

What’s the betting the smokescale got nerfed pretty hard too.

Chokolata.1870:

Seriously? Jesus freeking Christ…… what the hell are they thinking?

Druid should only ever be used in a raid environment?

…..

loss for words.

Reavan.8753:

Meh indeed.. feels really really really lame.
I mean seriously kick a guy when hes down.

Is the AF gain using weapons other than staff still obnoxiously slow then? what about staff and troll ungent? are they still the fastest generators?

Roy strikes again?

That’s a huge change. Meh.

Yet when a pet is moa’d by a Mesmer they can attack MUCH more effectively?

So does that mean the Moa has better attack animations?

No. Because a Moa’d Moa will hit better than a stock Ranger Moa.

Something doesn’t add up here.

It also doesn’t bode well for any fixes to pets anytime soon. . #!*@&#

Obindo.6802

Rangers.

Rangers OP now?

Live Vicariously is somewhat underwhelming too. Roll that and Natural mender together. Stick Natural Strides in the now empty minor slot.

Now create something that assists damage specs in the empty major – maybe something with stability as that’s sorely missing.

After the WHaO debacle I imagine they are being much more careful with what they add and what they tell us they are adding.

More testing stuff prior to putting it in our hands can only be good. Maybe.

fire in the hole.

Id like spirits to get turned into Wisps.

Make a bug report post about how missing your pets is giving you 1000% quickness uptime.

Maybe then youll get some fixes/attention. Make sure you also post about it in the Mesmer forum.

DeathReign.7821:

The most fun is when you down someone while you’re Moa’ed. That thing actually hurts!

In all seriousness though, being moa’ed isn’t the worst thing in the world. Like Ross said, you have 2 dodges and a dash to disengage with (and if the mesmer follows you, he’ll be off point too).

Well, a Moa’d Ranger pet is much much more effective than a normal Ranger pet. It can actually hit stuff that moves.

Durations were a problem yes.

But the fix was equally heavy handed in the other direction.

There just seems to be very little in incremental change at Anet… it’s always extremes.

The might stacks capping at 3 was somewhat unfair given how much boon stacking other classes have access to – even more so with some of the sheet the new elites can do.

Photinous.4628:

The funniest part of all of this is that Irenio explicitly said that Anet was going to start addressing some of the Ranger concerns at twitch con as well. Well, just another lie from them it seems.

He’s got less than 3 weeks to balance/fix Druid and Scrapper. So he’s probably 100% focused on that currently. If you’ve ever been involved in project crunch time you’ll understand that that’s not much time to get things polished.

So lets not reach for the scalping knives just yet.

Waiting for a couple of weeks after HoT would seem sensible as a timeline for Anet to start disclosing what they intend to do with core Ranger (if anything).

After that time feel free to go nuts.

I wish you well on your reasonable quest.

I think that what we have now is what we will have forever more with regards to WHaO.

Think of the forum backlash if they un-nerfed something. Cats living with Dogs. Mass pandemonium.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Sandzibar.5134:

Razor.9872:

Aomine.5012:

I’m voting for a new ONE-HAND range weapon that’s not pistol.

Maybe a throwing spear or something.

Thowing mace. Calling it now.

Why not a shoe?

Who throws a shoe? Seriously?

:)

Also, not changing the 5 man limit on heals in a 10 man Raid might be by design?

A sort of position / skill check if you will, so you cant just rely on a healer to blanket heal the entire raid no matter where you are.

I know, its a very tenuous assumption.. but you never know what goes on in the minds of the Anet design team.

If they don’t tone them down (reaper/chrono/herald/scrapper) then this game will never be able to have another expansion without perpetuating a never ending power creep cycle.

The base classes will just fall further and further behind.

Maybe that’s the idea though, now the base game is free2play. From a marketing perspective they need to drive sales on the new content, and new stuff being superior to old is the age old way of doing it.

I main all the things.

When it suits me.

I think we’re happy with all the stuff Irenio has done for us so far.

But teasing us with dev contact after so many years of neglect and silence has made us impatient and anxious.

And hungry for more.

FEED US.

F5 F5 F5 F5 …

Holland.9351:

To be fair, if it was on a 10s cooldown it would indeed need a nerf.

Or instead given to Herald / Scrapper as a baseline passive trait!

trololololololol

:D

Chokolata.1870:

Everything Irenio has said is true. However, it needs to be applied across all classes.

Yeah. I don’t see why Scrappers/Warriors get to get 300+ heal per sec passive on Zerker stats… or Guardians and Mesmers go from X% to 100% on Dire. Shouldn’t they be forced into Heal stats too?

But then we end up with everyone using Celestial, and its back to square one.

Ho hum.

Star Ace.5207:

Had to add, ANet should really look into that “DPS done indicates reward”, because some builds are not meant to DPS that much. It has never been right, and especially now, the game should take into consideration “support” offered, rather than base everything on damage, which is a model they don’t even agree with given the latest revelations.

Aren’t they also tightening up contrib rewards too? Im sure I remember them stating that “everyone who turned up gets gold” will no longer be a thing. Might be even harder for the druid healbot to get contrib depending on their system implementation/tweaks.

This is why we cant have nice things…

InsidiousWaffle.7086:

If your pet is dead…
SWAP PETS.
Ranger is about pet-management, like it or not. That isn’t going away, ever. However, rangers being able to ignore any cc infinitely on a 10 second ICD regardless of the fact that the pet can be dead, and therefore there is no downside to taking the trait.
Anybody defending this bug or insulting me with false xenophobic statements is frankly delusional, because this isn’t working as intended.

The Frack.

60 second.

Its on a 60 second cooldown. Where the hell are you getting 10sec ICD from?

Sounds like you’re the one being delusional now mate.

60 seconds is a lifetime in PvP. Have you seen the stability uptime other classes have access to btw?

Razor.9872:

Aomine.5012:

I’m voting for a new ONE-HAND range weapon that’s not pistol.

Maybe a throwing spear or something.

Thowing mace. Calling it now.

Why not a shoe?

infantrydiv.1620:

Wondrouswall.7169:

Electro.4173:

I have the perfect way to fix this “bug”.

Change the trait so that it isn’t pet-based. I don’t want to screw my pet with CC anyway.

Yeah. Maybe if it was a trait that didn’t affect the pet and did something like hide the Ranger in plain sight.

I miss Hide in Plain Sight a lot such a better trait than Shared Anguish

People laughed at me when I said I thought Hide in Plain Sight was good. Prepare yourself.

I hope you will also be complaining about herald and scrappers perma stability access too OP? That seems even more anti-fun than a 60sec CD stunbreak.

Shoe.5821:

This becomes compounded when that is all an entire elite specialisation has to offer is healing and not even other kinds of support

thousands of years of daze

I’m interesting to see where the nerf bat swings with regards to druid CC.