Guild Wars 2

Yikes 25000 hours of defending Stonemist!!!
If you have a real life and are dedicated to SM and spend 4 hours per day (perhaps more during weekends, perhaps less while actually living) doing nothing but defending stonemist (that’s if there are attackers to repel…).
This will take you 17 years to complete (20 years if you’re successful a little more than 80% of the time).
To achieve this within 10 years you will have to successfully defend stonemist for 6 hours 45 minutes per day, every single day.

I think this deserves it’s own topic:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/WvW-gate-destruction-exploit-5secs/first#post1570813

xiv.7136:

MrForz.1953:

Aberrant.6749:

Another vid of a thief killing players who act like cattle chewing grass…

Yeah but well, it’s so kitten easy. I’d like to see a Guardian, a Ranger or a Necro performing this with that much ease. There are 800 Thief videos for a reason.

The real reason opponents look a bit crap on thief videos is because they can’t see the thief – even if they are good players. That’s it really.

People aren’t mind-readers, swinging in mid-air and burning aoe cooldowns when the thief isn’t even there is going to look dumb any way you look at it.

Basically stealth is the crutch that makes the thief player look better than he/she actually is.

I know totally what you’re saying, but have a look at around 5:10… the thief is clearly visible and 3 nincumpoops cant land 1 hit one a surprise attack!

Nahh sry did not mean to pop one at ET, you guys are doing stellar work at the moment…. Nor do I want to hijack your thread and turn it into an FC only one.
just making a plight toward FC. I’ve been promoting your thread for either FC or ET earlier. I just prefer they transfer to FC

I’m guessing you’re from FC? Well welcome to the WvW that is WvFC – there are some moments when it all seems sour and we’re just outnumbered waiting for the zerg to take out property, but there are lots of good times too. Run with a large group and identify some players that knows their business. Make contact and ask to join their party when they are online. Since there are times when no commanders are around, rolling with these hardened WvW players can be some great fun and a good cause toward expanding the Red icons. We are all friends and I’m pretty sure everyone you “friend” will accept.

Please reconsider FC if you want to transfer…. ET barely makes a plight here, but they seem to be growing in numbers! Granted FC can have some pretty good teams going out, but we can’t stand against SF zerg and ET zerg in EB and FC BL!
We do however dust ourselves off, crack our knuckles and get right back into the fight. come to FC if you really want to prove you poooooweeeer!! (pretty please)

Edit: comments of below post invalidates my statement.

good work – I for one HATE thieves and can’t even play one properly, but I just wish the guardian had some of the escape moves you showed us here! Pretty good play overall, but I have to say that you faced a few stooopids there

Also remember that you purchase that commander tag probably for a reason to be a leader and not just a a zerg magnet. Good leaders don’t just bark orders and dismiss any request for some politeness as a “if you don’t like me, go follow someone else then or gl with that solo”. Not a very good response from someone who chose to be a leader.
And please at all times communicate the plan to players. Seasoned players will know how many players more or less you need for your next mission. We don’t need 15 people to take 2 camps and suffer the loss of another as a result of an expected zerg rush on a keep. Players can (and will) peel off and do some defence until such time as needed for an onslaught on keeps or SM.

If you’re wondering to xfer to ET or FC…
FC is obviously the right choice since I pledge to give 1 copper for every person who transfers. But that’s not all! If you refer a friend I’ll also throw in a pair of white acolyte’s gloves! Still not convinced? Well for a limited time offer, if you conquer SM all by yourself you’ll receive the coveted “/salute” in public and a bag of starter crafting goods of your choice!
Beat that Team Bean!!
seriously though: if you think about transferring to a great communities with some real fun battles and access to WvW whenever you want to play and not when the queue decides you will – join FC or ET. C’mon!!!! Youuuu caaan doo iiitt!

^^ agreed pie nerf is costing me a build rethink…
Last night I logged on for a bit (4hrs if that is a bit…). SF zerg showed up and started painting EB green. We were at least 20 FC on EB when it all started. When they took our last tower there were 5 left. C’mon Ferguson’s Chickens you can do better than run when the going gets tough!
Headed over to BL where for some reason a few ET insisted on taking Blue water camp. They succeeded once, but got owned at least 5 times before giving it all up. Rest assured if I did not tab to desktop once and got stuck in chat twice you would have never got close!
Headed to SF BL and started working on walls when SF showed up in the nick of time and did some good defence. I ended my night in a charge right into the heart of cannon fire and every condition in the game on me. Death – log off – sleep… all in all good fun. But ET and FC should hit SF BL more often to keep them honest and get that super upgraded green homeland painted with some bright red and blue!!

ValeinaMordis.9058:

“You know that WvW is boring when you see your chat panel spammed with “SF invader sits”.”
This is exactly how we in Sf feel when Fc and Et do the same to us lol. Like a Fc zerg will come up and attack me or a small group I am with and half of their players will go sit on the hill and watch, or laugh. Then after they have killed us, they come to laugh/dance/jump on our dead bodies Kind of disrespectful but this is a battle so I cant say much and it wont be like any of our three teams will stop doing that.

Sorry about any FC laughing and dancing – it’s not my style and something that I complained about SF doing when they first joined the T8 abyss. I’ve not seen SF behaving that way in a long while and it certainly does not suit FC to do so. It is disrespectful and from my part I try and discourage it whenever I see it happening.

King Amadaeus.8619:

For the most part ET and FC have had bigger or similar in size zergs this week. The whole population size argument is a moot point. I was in ET, I am in SF now….Its not the amount of people (saying it over and over doesn’t make it true), sure sometimes we have some big groups….But there have been many times where we have had less than 20 total people in EB, and we are all there defending a keep and its the only thing on the entire map being sieged and everything else is owned by SF….

With that being said, SF participation has dwindled in WvW, I have seen it with my own two eyes. ET and FC seem to have experienced a resurgence, be that from transfers or just recommitting to the WvW realizing that the matchup is what it is and isnt changing anytime soon….

Perhaps the worst part of the WvW scoring/tier system, is that in these stale matchups the scoring system breeds a vicious cycle. The teams fight for a while, then one seemingly takes control…Then a week goes by, then another, then another….Well the dominant team starts to build points to climb out, as the two others lose morale….Then nothing happens….Well the two losing teams are fed up, they fight back, now the score is closer, meanwhile the dominant team has become bored with the stale matchup, there’s nothing really left to do or prove….The scores now aren’t so lopsided as they were two weeks ago…But now all this has done is cause the matchup to last even longer.

I think most of us can agree that the only way SF is likely leaving, is if FC and ET totally quit WvW for a month and let the ticker tick away some ridiculous scores….And that is just not any good for anyone in the long run.

Thanks for your input. I think SF has lost a bit of interest and from my end I’ll quit complaining about the SF zerg… I think that FC is just so demoralized after fighting against nasty odds from almost launch date that there is no real plan B (appart from all the kittening and moaning). All we really ever wanted was for Anet to acknowledge the issue and respond with some encouraging words. We’re left to our own devices here and some people (including me) just don’t have much fight left in them. We log in, fail, log out swinging our fists at our monitors.
I agree that the only solution here appears to be a month’s abstinence from WvW, but that will never happen I guess and so we’re gonna be stuck with each other for a long, long, looooong time.

Note: there are a number of real hardcore WvWers in FC and I really appreciate their time and dedication while carrying guys like me who don’t really commit as much any more.

Hmmm don’t think new maps are on the cards any time soon. I won’t even bargain on new WvW maps this year.
I think that during the weekend (at reset) FC and ET numbers are better represented and SF might be queuing? When the weekend is over numbers disperse and the people left with keeping the torch burning just can’t keep up with the numbers required. People playing after working hours fight back as much as they can but can’t accomplish enough to align the scores. These few hours’ of fight back is what causes SF’s rating to go down. Even if they are winning the match, they’re loosing rating.

The time zone I’m playing at just have a few FC wondering where the action is and swarming to the orange swords or trying to keep up with the commanders. As soon as it is clear that we’re involved in yet another loosing battle, people move out and do their own thing – gathering, jp, camp ninja-ing, daily achievements…. this means that an army of 10 – 15 might suddenly turn into 7 or so trying to capture a tower defended by 7 SF. Not gonna happen.

I actually laughed out loud when SF were roaming around FC BL with about 5 golums trying desperately to cause a fight of some sorts. Destroying walls with FC just standing there looking at the situation with no response.
You know that WvW is boring when you see your chat panel spammed with “SF invader sits”.

^^ thanks for the above post for some positive feedback. Problem is that too many have already lost hope (including me).

Now on to what I really want to say:
To the players from other tiers’ servers – please stop trolling here and make out as if T8 deserve what they get. I know that there are too many threads relating to this issue atm and hope they get merged (hopefully not with the locked thread in the suggestions section).
This does not mean that we are bickering about FC and ET being these wonderful servers that deserve to be in T7 or higher. I know we don’t. Nobody is saying we don’t deserve to be in T8.
(please read this ^ again if you still don’t get it).
What we are saying is that SF deserves to move UP. But they can’t.
(please read this ^ again if you still don’t get it).
We won’t know how we would fare against a T7 server moving down, because it won’t happen any time soon. Even if they (the server moving down) stomp us, we won’t know.
(please read this ^ again if you still don’t get it).
By SF’s own admission they had a sudden player influx AFTER the winters day event into WvW and a number of transfers prior to paid transfers, which boosted their numbers. That is why ET and FC were competitive, since we basically carried the same numbers in WvW during winters day than we did prior to winter’s day when Kain gave us the umpteenth beating to try and wriggle free of the T8 ratings black hole. Our numbers were perhaps even greater with the realization that we’re facing a new apponent…
Because FC’s and ET’s ratings dropped so low during the beating we got from DR and then Kaineng, it is affecting SF’s rating really negatively at the moment. They toy with us and can probably make all three maps green if they really put all their effort in. But they are winning comfortably without breaking a sweat. BUT they are LOOSING rating points, because FC and ET ratings are so low. Now how the heck are they going to move up if they are loosing points by winning a match??? The rating system is flawed. period.
I guarantee more FC and ET numbers will show up the moment SF is promoted (in 2015 sometime by the looks of things). That alone will make it a better match to the demoted T7 server than we have against SF now.
I feel assured that SF will NOT get stomped in T7 when they move up and get demoted back to T8 a week or two later. They are good. They have many talented players and good dedication to keep what they own if they really want to. And I reiterate that by SF’s own admission they let a few weeks WvW participation slip to be demoted to T8 and very unfortunately for them just at the time Kaineng finally burst free of the T8 dungeon. Their ratings plummeted the moment they set foot in T8 and now they can’t get out. They have very diffirent numbers in WvW now than when they first got stuck in T8.
(now please get the above statements sink in before you feel the urge to respond with some witty comment about how FC and ET deserve to be in T8 and any other T7 server who will stomp us. The argument is NOT, repeat: NOT, about how good FC or ET can possibly be against any other server, but is is ABOUT THE MESSED UP RATING SYSTEM and us being stuck with one server after the other for months on end who clearly does not belong in T8).
So who does belong in T8? Well, the loosing server in T7 of course. Easy as that. Now that free transfers are all over and done with (after we got stuck with SF’s transfer influx) we might see once and for all how we will fare against the loosing the T7. But the rating system prevents the loosing server in T7 to move down, because DR and Kain messed T8s ratings up and Anet did nothing to correct it even when they must have seen how long it we were pitted against vastly superior opponents for months and months. And no, I’m not in favour of a ratings reset.

The argument about FC and ET not portal bombing golums is not relevant. Our WvW players are flat broke. Why? We spent all our money paying for siege equipment, upgrades and repairs far more regularly than SF/DR/Kaineng does/did. On EB we are in charge of a tower for about 30 minutes before the zerg shows up and takes it back. We don’t have the numbers and therefore can’t distribute the costs over a larger population. We are doing as best we can but can only do so much with limited resources. Does that mean we should not spend money on upgrades? We should not spend money on siege? Run around nekked and duel…. heh, is that how you imagine WvW? Slap the door with your knives and sceptres. March around the fort for 30 days and 30 nights blowing you warhorns.

just returned from WvW and I’m done. No more. I’ll take the last position and get map completion in the red zone. Then see if my guild will move with me to another server.
there was about 20 SF and about 10 FC. now we’re just trying to get 1v1 duels…. when one of us gets the upper hand then a few of them steps in and mops the floor with us. Just the last straw for me. I’m not spending another dime on upgrades or siege. FC feels dead to me tbh. no more fighting spirit left at all – nada.

*Kudos to the SF mesmer, though — you are one tough sob and I hope my mesmer can one day cause the same kind of frustration to opposite numbers than you have.

My feeling is that it’s already too late to do any repair work from Anet’s side. We were hoping for some kind of acknowledgement here, but since there’s been no word, people just moved on…
SF won’t see many transfers in my opinion. They just have to wait 2 or 3 weeks to move up to T7. ET showed some renewed spirit, but FC is showing dwindling numbers (at least in my time zone only 5 players in 2 hours on EB). I’m not sure how many FC players are in hiding until SF moves up and see what can be done against the server moving down to T8. But if the new server is better than SF then there’s no real answer and I suspect that even ET players will start transferring, leaving T8 a ghost town for the “4th place” T7 to roam about and get map completion or fight NPCs in WvW.

SoggyFrog.4170:

I dropped a summary on the gw2 reddit, please let me know if there’s anything I missed or could clarify:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/18wb2i/when_the_wvw_ratings_break/

And upvote, of course.

Thanks for that!

SilverWF.4789:

SniffyCube.6107:

Simply put, arenanet has made no acknowledgement that the server rankings are broken. If a full reset isn’t on the table then fine, I can see why higher tier servers would not want to go through the grind of roflstomping less population, but that’s what we go through week after week.

There have been a lot of creative suggestions about how we can solve this problem without affecting ANY of the other servers. Honestly, t8 endures the worst beatings and point deficits of any bracket. DR kain were first stuck beating up on smaller servers then once they broke out they soared through the rankings (after getting more players as they progressed but they could have easily made tier 5-6 with their populations before the explosions).

I have seen a lot of players from my server and FC post about this and I have even talked to a few players from SF that are looking for a better fight.

Here are some suggestions and conversations I have had. I feel they better represent how we as a tier feel (please don’t post here if you’re going to troll from another tier, this does not affect you).

Coz T8 servers are weak at WvW. Extremelly weak.
Deal with that.
Or transfer to the upper tiers if you are love WvW

What part of “please don’t post here if you’re going to troll from another tier, this does not affect you” did you not understand?
We KNOW the T8 is weak. We’re trying to make it better. If you can’t read properly do you “deal with it”? Or transfer to some better body? No, you try and work on the problem.

From my point of view ET attacked FC first during our “treaty” that never reaaaaly seem to get started in the first place.
Not that it matters much. I actually wish that everyone in FC would give up the fight and do some PvE for two weeks so that SF can just move out of T8. If anyone returns is yet to be seen. I know ET has some new found spirit and I wish FC can get the same spirit back, but we’re tired. Too much time and gold spent on nothing really.

Let’s stick to the OP and other probs you see with WvW. Don’t come with solutions or views… doing so might just see this thread being moved to the “suggestions” section – never to be seen again: “out of sight, out of mind”.

Gisei.5749:

I am fully against any form of stat boost included in the Outmanned Buff. If you don’t have enough players to defend a point, then you should by no means be able to defend the point. You keep what you can defend, and not what you can’t.

Lets not casualize the game anymore than it is.

Although I totally understand you reasoning, it does make sense at all in the T8 matches. There FC and ET have been outmanned for a number of months now. Having a boost in Karma is pointless. The only way to be more competitive is to get some sort of power and/or survivability buff just for the sake of enjoying the game a little more.
If a T1 server does not show up to defend their towers, then, yes – it’s their fault. But if a T8 shows up with all their 5 people logged on to WvW to defend a tower against 20 week in week out, month in month out then a buff sounds tempting…. for both sides just to get a bit of a match going.
So maybe an OP buff for only T8/T9 on the last day before reset.

SF are so bored with WvW that they have all their camps, towers and keeps upgraded to the max in their own BL. It always stays green regardless if anyone is even interested in attacking their BL. Sometimes they might loose a few camps to a ninja squad or even, heaven behold, a tower. But I’ve never seen a blue or red keep in green (SF/Kain/DR) BL. End result – 99% SF can hang out in EB or Red/Blue BL. Having a buff would surely be nice just to give them a little run for their money.

It’s real sad to see you go Darek. You’ve been fighting for FC a whole lot on this forum. You’ll be missed together with each and every person who leaves due to this dire situation. With people leaving it certainly seems that FC will take over (is taking over) the red spot on T8 so at least I’ll get my map completion there. But I’m afraid that people transferring will leave us in a spot now where FC will never be green and so I will never get my map completion unless I too transfer… So does this mean that systematically people will transfer away from FC with the realization that they will never attain 100% map completion?? Even people who don’t care at all about WvW will sooner or later want map completion for their legendary. 1year, 5 years?? just a matter of time before the only population on FC are the NPCs.

This thread is dying because (most likely)
1. people are transferring out of ET and FC (or worse yet, abandoning the game) and don’t give a hoot about T8 any more
2. The lack of Anet’s response is causing people to stop farting against the wind
3. people said what they have to say and if that’s not cause for concern for Anet to return with a response, well then players are probably just lifting the middle finger and moving on to another game
4. players perceptive is that there is no solution, there never was a solution and there never will be a solution. So why bother, just gtfo.

Culling is certainly one of my biggest headaches in WvW. Entering in combat what I think is a fair 1v1 battle suddenly just turns out that the opposing player is stacking a ton of conditions and stuns on me. Only after my death does the whole picture emerge and I can see the other 10 players… so do you hang around the back of a fight for a few minutes to see what truly emerges when the combat starts? No wonder people are fighting backward in stead of forward – everyone wants to be at the back to see what we’re really up against.

As for siege, I don’t think lowering damage will make any difference. So you’ve got 5 cats destroying your defences in no time. After a damage nerf, you’ll have 10 cats destroying your defences. What then? A call for a max siege cap?

As for map… exploiters will exploit. There will always be a crack in the woodwork. Report bug, take screenshot, hope for a fix.

Too… many… SF… must… reach… gate… conditions, conditions, stun locked, heal, conditions, 100 blades, thief, death. Rinse & repeat.
Now why can’t we be nice to each other and let’s let the opposition past into the tower gates so they can defend? Just once, or twice… for that matter, just stand back and let blue own the map for once Just once, pretty please?
Btw – wp to SF on FC BL earlier this morning. Kept us (well me at least) running around with my fire hydrant.

I’m not boosting the idea of win up, loose down… but it certainly looks more attractive to me as a T8 player than the current model. With SF needing about 100 points to advance to T7. The past 4 weeks on average they’re going at average 34 points. That means another 3 weeks of imbalance vs SF. and 3 weeks is best case scenario here… could be a month, could be 2.
so the word “balanced” should be used very sparingly when it comes to T8 US and T9 EU. I’m not sure if the 3rd place T7 server would steam roll FC and ET like we’ve been degraded to with Devonas and then Kaineng (and now SF), but just to be “hanging in there” for 6 months is not as balanced as you might think.
so whether it’s a random pick, winnder up looser down, current calculation, revised calculation, server merge, forced account shuffle… I don’t really care, but fighting and badly loosing the same server week in week out, month in month out is not balance. It gets old, players loose interest and the snowball get’s smaller…

In response to the previous post… (nothing negative intended now)

I think we at FC and ET are just a little sick and tired of “getting our butts handed to us”. we’ve been steam rolled for about 6 months now and it’s really not so easy to “get over ourselves” as you seem to imply. As for JP camping I can’t really comment there since I’ve actually never even done the JP, but as far as zerging is concerned – I don’t think it’s anything we’re not used to, just that there is no escape for us here at the bottom T8, and no promising future in sight neither. As for /dance… ever since I’ve been playing WvW I’ve never been around FC players who danced on corpses. Maybe it’s just the time zone I’m in and the server is very low pop at those times, but even when we got owned by Kaineng, non of them ever danced on our corpeses (again when I was around). Dancing on corpses in my opinion is just childish and proves nothing. If a zerg kills 2 or 3 players, what’s there to gloat about? If any FC dances or camps JP I apologize on their behalf since that’s not being a good sport at all. I know this is “war” and “just a game”, but good manners and respect should be upheld if you expect to be treated the same in return. that’s why ET and FC are lashing out at SF: your bad conduct. (not all players, but too many IMHO)

I also think that when paid transfers was announced, a number of FC and ET (or any other server for that matter) PvEers and part time WvWers transferred to SF just be sure to get world completion and never returned or made the return date in time. Why would they transfer to a high pop server and wait in queue for WvW when they can transfer to SF?(I can kick myself for not taking advantage of free transfers and quickly transferring to Kaineng and back when they owned the entire map). Now, I’m not sure I will ever get 100% map completion…

We’re going to be stuck together for a long, long, long time by the looks of things, so please let’s all just fight our fights. Tap yourself on the back if you think you had a good victory, but don’t rely on bad conduct to insult the other team – we’re all trying our best here I’m sure.

geekanerd.4123:

Scleameth.6809:

FilthyRat.4652:

Scleameth.6809:

For me this whole “agreement” between FC and ET is not working at all well. I think too few people are informed or just don’t care. Last night I just exited out spawn in EB and the whole map is almost all green. A group of 4 ET were roaming around taking camps and I bowed as they ran past. They paused, buffed and continued to beat the snot out of me so from my side the gloves are off again I’m afraid.

Well at least most of you can come to some sort of an arrangement. Sorry didn’t work out to well….But Team Sheen is always looking for recruits if you want to join a team that will help you grow.

As professor Charlie would say “Winning” and not not every one is warlock material

Thanks for the offer, but I’ll stick with FC… until the very end (some of SF might know I’m always the last one in a tower doing one last bit of damage before the lights go out).
btw – I did run across a ET player in SF BL and bowed. He bowed back and we both went our merry ways. Uncomfortable as it was, I managed to not test my strength against a red number.

If somebody held a gun to my head and told me that I had to either transfer to SF or lose my left nut… I’m not going to sit here and say I’d choose the left nut. But what I’m going to say is that I’d definitely think about it for awhile.

I was in EB, oh, I dunno, maybe an hour ago now or so, and some ET guys were backcapping some Ferg points on ‘our’ side of the map whilst SF was working over the keep. We had to stomp you guys. Agreements or treaties or whatever bullkitten aside, I never feel good about stomping ET. It feels like hitting somebody I should be friends with because we both get pushed around by the same bully. Personally, I don’t engage ET unless they’re capping something we own or try to hit me first. Otherwise, it just seems like we’re doing what SF wants us to do.

yup those ET guys were also on “our” side of the EB map when they took out the silver plate and handed my rear to me. They caught me a little by surprise, but I’m sure if there were any FCs around, we would have fought and stomped – even, as you say, we won’t really feel good about stomping a possible ally.

Speaking of allies… : I think the whole T8, ET/FC dilemma could possibly be solved with the introduction of official alliances. Say commanders of both teams can meet on neutral ground and each server pays 10gold (or whatever) for 1hr of alliance. During that time ET and FC can’t target each other or target each other’s property. But alliance/map chat would allow for a little combined effort to attack the stronger team. The team not in the alliance could even benefit from buffs during the alliance period for all I care. Any towers/keeps/castles/camps conquered by the alliance would then be turned to neutral status or terms could be decided when the alliance is first set up. So if the alliance would focus on 2 towers, then FC would claim one and ET the other.

FilthyRat.4652:

Scleameth.6809:

For me this whole “agreement” between FC and ET is not working at all well. I think too few people are informed or just don’t care. Last night I just exited out spawn in EB and the whole map is almost all green. A group of 4 ET were roaming around taking camps and I bowed as they ran past. They paused, buffed and continued to beat the snot out of me so from my side the gloves are off again I’m afraid.

Well at least most of you can come to some sort of an arrangement. Sorry didn’t work out to well….But Team Sheen is always looking for recruits if you want to join a team that will help you grow.

As professor Charlie would say “Winning” and not not every one is warlock material

Thanks for the offer, but I’ll stick with FC… until the very end (some of SF might know I’m always the last one in a tower doing one last bit of damage before the lights go out).
btw – I did run across a ET player in SF BL and bowed. He bowed back and we both went our merry ways. Uncomfortable as it was, I managed to not test my strength against a red number.

For me this whole “agreement” between FC and ET is not working at all well. I think too few people are informed or just don’t care. Last night I just exited out spawn in EB and the whole map is almost all green. A group of 4 ET were roaming around taking camps and I bowed as they ran past. They paused, buffed and continued to beat the snot out of me so from my side the gloves are off again I’m afraid.

SniffyCube.6107:

This is honestly killing wvw for us lol, red response ftw? There is no way someone at anet hasn’t read this … it’s even more concerning that they haven’t responded with anything.

You’ve got some really loyal players to your game here guys, and there’s a lot of us (including a lot of first timers who enter wvw on one of our servers and have the experience ruined)… I don’t think throwing us under a bus is a constructive way to deal with the situation.

The lack of response is also a bit of a concern for me.
Most days I come in, get steam rolled but try and take a few camps… today was just the pits for me. 5 FC on EB doing as much as we can just to try and be competitive… all of us knew it’s a lost cause but try and stay positive non the less. then 1 leaves, 1 arrives, 2 leaves, 1 arrives… 3 leaves and there’s me all alone defending a tower against a SF zerg… no point, no fun, no nothing.

I really don’t know what the answer is, all I know is that FC players have already lost interest in wvw from the numbers I see. Mebbe it’s just the timezone I’m in, but wvw for me used to be more fun when kaineng was around because at least the whole 10 of us were forced together due to spawn camping. Now we’re just aimless and scattered. Few heading off to SF BL to ninja some camps, 1 or 2 doing crafting, 1 or 2 just standing around… seldom enough players to start a break out event… real sad tbh.

Corvus.3681:

I’m getting really tired of seeing “Sorrow’s Furnace Invader laughs”

^ this

SF you really have to work at you in-game etiquette… too many of you guys feel all proud of yourself after a mini zerg won a 5v1 or 10v2 battle. Dancing and laughing on my corpse just shows that you have no class and can’t appreciate if someone will put up a fight right to the end in order to defend their little space we managed to take from you lot.
I’ve had a lot more tough and serious battles in a 1v1 or 2v2 with members of ET than in a 1v5 vs you lot, so don’t go tap yourself on the back for gaining a victory that fast…

Thanks for the dedication guys !

From FC here… I’m glad that Kaineng (Finally) moved on. I was always wondering just how strong T7 and up must be if Kaineng was steam rolling us like that. But when they actually started moving up the ranks, they are flying through the tiers now! Not fun for us at FC and ET for a long, long, long time. But it made us as a server a better, cohesive unit. Even though I was discouraged from WvW because of the Spawn camping, I’ve gained a huge amount of respect for the WvW players and commanders on our server that stuck it out and never gave up the fight.
I totally get the concept of the topic when looking at the 2=fun 6=Not fun ratings, but I’m still hoping that servers would settle down after the introduction of paid transfers. Best case scenario is that they reset the server points (to a logical extent) going forward. 2nd best would be if you win, you get promoted, you loose you get demoted. With FC and ET on such low points, we’re basically going to fight each other for the whole of 2013 with one T7 moving up and down.
FC had SF beat that first week when Kaineng mercifully got promoted but they suddenly found the numbers and although it’s not such a massacre, it’s still a little disheartening looking at the points.

Another +1 here. Strange that I was in the process of creating almost an exact copy of this build and trying to figure out the Whirling Hit vs moving apponents problem. You solved it all!!
Real good guide, thanks!
I’ll put it all to the test tonight. I’m just wondering if Judge’s Intervention does not…errr… intervene with Zealot’s Defence?
I just hope I can get out of the habit of not using GS (2) right after GS (5) but rather switch to sword first and get Zealot’s Defence goin after GS (5).

I’m so sad to feel so horrible and angry today about a game that I actually really love. First of all, I don’t have the latest and greatest pc, but my pc does exceed the minimum requirements by a fair margin. I started the event at the very lowest possible graphics settings, but still played (the time that I actually played) at less than 1 frame per second. Mobs and player skins would not load on screen and all I could really do was attempt to rez other players (which I could not see). So that said and done, I still spammed 1 from a distance to try and hit the empty space with a red circle around it. Then my first death: load and run back to the cave trying my best to make good time but barely managed to make it back to what seemed a mass graveyard of players most complaining about lag, models not loading, rubberbanding and all the nasty sides of games (not one comment in map speak about what a great event this is – only jokes about repair costs and generally making fun of the game in a bad way).
Many deaths followed but players brought me back to life. Then at the top of the cave with my 1fps gameplay I fell through a hole in the floor and was stuck in the loading screen for about 10 minutes. My only option was to restart the client and hope to make it back. I didn’t. Load into some overflow, die there as soon as my feet touch the ground, spawn to WP and load to my party’s overflow only to find that the zerg has moved on and I missed the whole first battle – no reward no joy. Move on to part two where I don’t even know what we are doing, just spamming 1 again but this time nothing really happens. I’m rubberbanding all over place, my skills won’t activate, I have my whole skill bar lighting up with no result. Then a disconnect. Load screen takes ages again, dead on load, spawn to WP, load to party overflow, disconnect after 3 seconds, rinse and repeat. This was now about 1.5 hours of absolute very bad horrible experience. I stopped playing then, since there was no point really.
This after a whole lot of time and currency wasted on bugs in phase 1… c’mon Anet – surely this is not what you had in mind. Slap your developers and testers behind the head please.