Guild Wars 2

I used to be one of the loudest voices to cry for rangers buffs.
While the fixes received within the last few month sure could’ve been a little bit more convincing the Ranger got his spot now.

Rangers are no main damage class, even the commonly accepted cond. build can’t compete with the DPS kings.
But thats not the Rangers’ job!
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With the buffs to /Movemenspeed /Daze-duration /pet reliability Rangers now got their niche.
2 men split.
The control Rangers offer by dazing a target and setting up a pet root/knockdown with their slow is great (+heal reduce).
Paired with a Thief or Warrior they do a great job.

I wouldn’t complain about less cooldown on cripple though, since some class can remove it just by dodging afterwards…

E/:
@Kam
Try pets in Arah or Crucible; pets do die within 1 aoe.

Rangers were bad.
They were incredibly bad, weak and buggy.

However over the last 2 month Rangers received continuous fixing to get them on par with other classes (also Mesmer which used to be ranged DPS kings in sPvP and forced Rangers into unemployed got nerfed pretty hard).

They’re usable in sPvP now, though the F2 nerf was quite a punch.

Looking back I found myself grinding severeal dungeons over and over again (Caudecus, Crucible) to get a gear just for its looks.
Now I finally got ‘em and I’m more than sick of grinding, hoping -well expecting- I#ld never ever have to do this s**t again.

And now I’m getting told I have to do this over and over again, for each armor I own? every few month; just in order to stay competitive in WvW?
I neither have the time for that, nor do I’ll go through this grinding pain again.
I’ll rather play a MOBA instead…

New stuff = good
New stuff with higher power = bad
Monthly content upgrades = good
Monthly grind PvE grind for PvP players to play WvW = bad
Full exotic set = good
Trashcan your exotic set, cause it’s outclassed = bad
Equality = good
=> Make gear equal= good

Why make it complicated?

8300+Replies.
90% against a treadmill.
“The community wants a treadmill”

I’m sorry but I really think this is a mistake.
This is no small and ignorable issue people will learn to accept in time.
This is a 180° spin which brakes everything the name Guild Wars ever stood for.

If we can’t stop it, I hope they do realize it in a few month and disable this ascended grind madness again.

This would probably be the* best solution*.

People who want to treadmill themselves up still can do it and “have fun” grinding.
Those who don’t aren’t forced to.

Why don’t they give grinders a sparkling star next to that pink weapon name, so they can brag with getting it the difficult way?
As an sPvPer I couldn’t care less as long as my WvW gear isn’t set into trashcan mode.
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Really, the whole issue conglomerates in two words -WvW balance-.
sPvPers who painfully grinded their exotics for WvW are now cut off of half of their content, unless they waste their time each Ascended patch (further progression already has been announced) to grind new armosets.

Sleepy.2647:

What maths? I already took down your screenshots with arguments. Maths it’s not saying you do a unload in 1.5 seconds for 8k+ damage as if you could do 8k damage EVERY 1.5k seconds, you even used Assassin’s Signet to boost the damage to 8k.
Even “if” you could spam unload it wouln’t be 8k every 1.5 sec, first…because you don’t have assassin’s signet every 1.5 sec, and second…because even if you spam unload it won’t be every 1.5 sec, there are downtimes for skill casting, skill animations, and ping response.

Want me to repeat again the “troll” screenshots? The ranger had above 200 condition damage in that build and over 16k HP probably near 17k HP, where is the berseker glass cannon part on that?

I have to be sarcastic because it’s actually funny to read such things like “thief has more than twice the DPS ranger has”.

1.) Assassin’s Signet wasn’t actived, it was used before

2.) I say it for approximately the 7th time in this topic: I have 3 int regen, each signet gives me 2 more int. Theft and “Rollf f. I” give me initiative allowing me to spam unload for 35 seconds without a break. Each unload furthermore has a 0,7*9=0,63% chance to regain ini. If you have to dodge roll in between attack (which is more than likely) that times also recharges ini.

3.) My bleed in that screen dealt so much damage since I had several stacks of might on me upon apply. Upon taking the screen it was gone

4.) “Downtimes for casting, Ping response.” Stop making up things. You’re acting like pistols had several server issues which shortbows don’t have…
There is a queue, if a skill is pressed while another one still is active it’ll chain into it.

P.S. the casting time is 1,5s … thats why I used it for my maths, as I used correct 0,520s for shortbow attacks and (1,5/1,56)*3 as a multiplier to norm shortbow attacks to unload casting time.

You keep saying I would wrong, but all you do is spilling out lame accusations.
Always being aggressive to push me on the defense.
That’s the kind of manipulation you use when you don’t have arguments or facts on your side.

Your bad I did my homework and proved everything you said wrong.
I don’t wanna spin in circles.

Where is your maths?

Sleepy.2647:

Keep trolling, you should post that screenshot with all the classes at level 80 geared for dungeons as you claim

Ranger is currently cond. spec’d so his base values are lower.
But you only asked for gear screens.

I find it sad that you accuse everybody who isn’t your opinion of trolling, while we have yet to see any maths or screens by you.

E/: I’ll add another 2 from my Warrior, don’t have weapon Sigils yet. Still just look at armor, health – and skill damage. Also, as you can see, I have no Back upgrade yet.

E/: Just checked it it. That Ranger build was 20power/20preci /20 pet (dunno were the last 10 point were in)
My Thief was 0/20/10/20/20 (Signet= Ini, Stealth=Heal=Ini, Ini regen, roll cooldown-20% = ini)
And As I already said, I only had 1 rune = 10% less damage on my Thief.
So please stop mixing different topics and pictures.
If I have one build in another screen that doesn’t mean I have the same in another.
Don’t draw conclusions from 2 different topics.

Sleepy.2647:

Sdric.8526:

With pistols they have a DPS more than twice as high as a Shortbow can deal which was already stated and proved in several other posts within this topic.

Proved by who? By two screenshots comparing two chars with not the stated gear/traits one using autoattack and the other one using two skills or by theorycrafting “DPS” where downtimes are not added into the calculation? DPS is harder to calculate than that.

Since thief is so great having such an insane amount of damage and survivality, we should move this conversation to the thief forum, i’m sure they will agree with it and would probably make them stop asking for PvE buffs.

In fact, since they do more than twice the DPS we do (meaning they do more DPS than many other classes) we should make a petition to improve rangers DPS by 100%…let’s send them this petition, it would make me happy to have ranger damage increased by 100%.

I already said it and I say it again.
I broke down the damage from the screens taking casting time and everything else into account.
You keep ignoring the maths I do, well actually I did it several times just for you.

I seriously don’t know why you keep ignoring / “overreading it”.

Is it so difficult to accept you’re wrong?
I have yet to see you doing maths and proving me wrong.
I asked several times for it, each time you made up ~numbers in your head without any prove.

I also don’t get why you’re being sarcastic about moving to the Thief forum:
If there is a problem one has to call it by its name.
Ignoring a problem never has been a solution.

Slowly I get the feeling that you’re actually no Ranger but a Thief who’s afraid of being nerfed.

+Nobody has ever said Ranger DPS has to be increased by 100%, why do you keep exaggerating like that?
Who is that irony going to help?

All we Rangers ask for is a serious discussion, why do you keep ridiculing this topic?

I dont worry about dungeons.
I worry about WvW.
As an sPvP player I’m forced to continuously grind PvE-equip in order to stay competitive in WvW.

Unless I’m able to gain Ascended gear through honor I’ll most likely play much less GW2 from now on.
I sure won’t buy another bag slot for my WvW characters…

I just found a magic trick!
As soon as you create a topic with the word “Ascended” in it, your topic will automatically merged into “Thoughts on Ascended Gear? [Merged threads]”.
Regardless of how little it has to do with Ascended Gear.
I will call it the “It-That-Must-Not-Be-Named-Gear”-Spell.

E/:
I’m Harry Potter, lol!

Sleepy.2647:

Jay.3284:

@Sleepy

Thieves bring much more to a dungeon than Rangers…

For example….? I can only think about stealth and getting a single mob from a pack sometimes.

Thief in dungeons is like ranger’s pets, in theory they are awesome, in reality…not so much.

It’s a matter of taste bringing a class over another one.

A Thief can spamm up to 7 Blossoms ins a row for 4,2k AoE bleed each = 29,4k damage while constantly evading.
With pistols they have a DPS more than twice as high as a Shortbow can deal which was already stated and proved in several other posts within this topic.

Terkov.4138:

Sdric.8526:

ossha.1247:

But don´t you already have to play pve to get the exotic armour?

Yes, but like in GW1: once I got the equip I’m good to go forever
Now Anet announced continuing progression, rendering all my effort trash.
Example:
One could say I worked in order to get money.
From that money I bought what was announced to be a DvD.
Anet broke my DvD.
Now Anet forces me to continuously to (work to) pay fees, to watch the film again.
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E: To clarify this, as a PvP player I do consider PvE work but PvP not.

No. They just let everyon have better DvD than the one you bought, so you have to buy new one, to be equal. Maybe not big difference in results, but colossal in how you show ANet – for me they give me something, not steal from me.

The relation of competitive play is difficult to add into this example.
In the end of the grind circle, balancing will stay the same
=> The DvD (here: PvP play) doesn’t change.
But your DvD now is worse.
So let me change the example to rather fir the case.

They break your DvD.
They offer you copy of the film (PvP) with bad quality.
The quality will decrease further by time, unless you pay (time=money) again,
in order to watch the DvD in it’s original quality (=play WvW-PvP competitively)

One could argue new items are better and old items don’t become worse, BUT:
Gameplay isn’t effected by this difference of definition at all.
If A has 300 more armor and B has 300 more attack it will even out.
Balancing wise there will be >no difference< between those who got it.
(/No gameplay / “No DvD quality improvements”)
But people people who got old items are effected: they now have 300 less armor/attack than people who >paid again< for it.

Would you believe any statement, that says “no”?

There will be several levels of Ascended tierupgrades.

The name stays “Ascended” but it will have different power levels.

In GW1 imprinting was necessary to continue the content.
Nevertheless:
It didn’t change the power of your equip.
It could be applied to equip that you already owned.

Why do imprinted weapons now:
1.) Have higher stats
2.) Are usable in WvW-PvP
3.) Need a whole new gear (instead of being an upgrade)
4.) Have to be imprint several times to proceed.
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Ascended Gear
It doesn’t add any depth into the game.
Instead it hurts WvW balance.

Our goal is not to create a gear treadmill.

thats why we decided to create a gear treadmill.

karma.8763:

Gear is only needed for the new dungeon when you get into the harder parts. /topic

And WvW /topic.

The Guild Wars were a time period in GW-history.
The game name refers to the story rather than the PvP-mode.

Ascended Gear will make me play less, since I can trashcan my exotic gear now which I grinded in order to also play WvW rather than just sPvP.
This patch disables competitive WvW for me.

So I’ll only play sPvP now, resulting in overall less time spent on GW2.

ossha.1247:

But don´t you already have to play pve to get the exotic armour?

Yes, but like in GW1: once I got the equip I’m good to go forever
Now Anet announced continuing progression, rendering all my effort trash.
Example:
One could say I worked in order to get money.
From that money I bought what was announced to be a DvD.
Anet broke my DvD.
Now Anet forces me to continuously to (work to) pay fees, to watch the film again.
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E: To clarify this, as a PvP player I do consider PvE work but PvP not.

I totally agree.
That ceiling was what made GW1 the best MMO ever for me.
I could play several characters without having to choose a main for whom I always have to grind equip.
A ceiling grants flexibility and a freedom ; I don’t have to play the same character over and over again/ grind gear for him.

Whereas the “progression” forces me to constantly grind with all my characters to remain at this point.

I’m done with PvE now.
I got myself 5 exotic armors and now they’re useless.
Anet also cut me off WvW with this patch.
Unless they give me an option to gain this new Armor by Honor I’m most likely complete done with GW2.

Playing sPvP all day isn’t fun, playing WvW and sPvP gave me option and was fun.

It’s like disabling half of the race tracks from a racing game.

Ascended and infusion rewards will be available in both PvE and WvW over time, and be made available through all sorts of content around the world including existing content. PvP will remain unaffected to ensure our intended PvP balance going forward.

Around the world= PvE, not PvP.
The main issue is that sPvP players will have to grind PvE over and over again in order to access WvW-PvP.

The issue:
PvP players have to grind PvE to take part in WvW.

The consequence:
PvP players are mad because they’re getting cut off of half of their content.

The solution:
Make Ascended Gear available through Honor.

The result:
PvP players can take part in WvW without being forced to PvE

Comment
Since sPvP-gear stays the same, there is no balancing issue.
-It is a trade-off between skins / WvW access.-
So people at least can choose.
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Anet announced sPvP and PvE would be completely split, this suggestion would change that.
However, Anet also announced there would be no power circle.
The above solution would allow to even it out a little for sPvP players.

The issue:
PvP players have to grind PvE to take part in WvW.

The consequence:
PvP players are mad because they’re getting cut off of half of their content.

The solution:
Make Ascended Gear available through Honor.

The result:
PvP players can take part in WvW without being forced to PvE

Comment
Since sPvP-gear stays the same, there is no balancing issue.
It is a trade-off between skins / WvW access.
So people at least can choose.
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Anet announced sPvP and PvE would be completely split, this suggestion would change that.
However, Anet also announced there would be no power circle.
The above solution would allow to even it out a little for sPvP players.

(TL;DR: Read fat letters only)
Ascended Armor.
It already was stated that the power buff will be needed to finish future dungeons.
While I don’t like it, that’s something I can accept.

Allowing better stronger gear in WvW doesn’t improve the gameplay!
In the end most one guy will have 300 more attack, while the other one has 300 more def.
Only two things happen:
1.)The gap between upleveled characters and Ascended increases, damaging the balance even further.
2.)People are forced into geargrind to stay competitive
While, I repeat, gameplay doesn’t improve at all.

Sure sPvP and WvW are splitt, but in the end WvW was supposed to be “the” PvP for your PvE character*s*.

So please:
Why enable Ascended gear for WvW and not let it stay PvE-only?
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Edit:
I don’t want another discussion about Ascended Gear, there are other topics for that.
I just don’t get the reasoning behind this step and ’ld like to have it explained by somebody official.
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WvW was a mix between PvE and PvP.
sPvP was high end PvP.
So why not make Ascended high end PvE and
let WvW stay a mix both parties can take place.

It’s like you’ld say “You mustn’t play WvW, unless you rank up at least twice a month in sPvP”

“Legendary” is just a skin difference.
It’s no must have to stay competitive.
Did you ever want to buy Ferrari?
Can you afford it?
A Fiat will bring you to your working place at the same speed (in town).

I’m fine with expensive skin.
What you really should complain about is Ascended Gear, since it gives power instead of just a new look.

Raksha.8049:

Sdric.8526:

@Raksha

Currently there is a cap.
Once you hit it you’re forever free for WvW.
You can take a break for a month or two and still know you can always come back.

Well, that’s at least what was promised.

With the new Ascended gear people are forced into constant grinding to stay competitive.
Each month, over and over again.
Some people simply don#t have the time for that.
Maybe not being forced to grind was one of the promises which made many people choose GW2 over other MMOs.

So how did people get the time to get where they are now?

Maybe they sacrificed a lot of their holidays to get there.
Sadly you can only have them once or twice a year and maybe can’t afford it to grind each month.

@Raksha

Currently there is a cap.
Once you hit it you’re forever free for WvW.
You can take a break for a month or two and still know you can always come back.

Well, that’s at least what was promised.

With the new Ascended gear people are forced into constant grinding to stay competitive.
Each month, over and over again.
Some people simply don#t have the time for that.
Maybe not being forced to grind was one of the promises which made many people choose GW2 over other MMOs.

Disable Ascended gear for WvW!

Ascended Gear, as well as the announced item progression, cuts of casual gamers and working/Studying people from competitive WvW.

Unless you don’t/can’t >waste< your time to grind this gear each month, you’re cut of the endgame content.
The kind of endgame content which was announced to be grind-free, standing above all other MMOs.
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If Ascended Gear stays PvE-only most people won’t have a problem with that.
Maybe even accept it as a motivation.

But: As soon as it becomes a must have for WvW, it splitts the playerbase and drives people away.

Disable Ascended gear for WvW!

Ascended Gear, as well as the announced item progression, cuts of casual gamers and working/Studying people from competitive WvW.

Unless you don’t/can’t >waste< your time to grind this gear each month, you’re cut of the endgame content.
The kind of endgame content which was announced to be grind-free, standing above all other MMOs.
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If Ascended Gear stays PvE-only most people won’t have a problem with that.
Maybe even accept it as a motivation.

But: As soon as it becomes a must have for WvW, it splitts the playerbase.

I agree with disabling Ascended Gear for WvW.

Ascended Gear, as well as the announced item progression, cuts of casual gamers and working/Studying people from competitive WvW.
Unless you don’t/can’t >waste< your time to grind this gear each month, you’re cut of the endgame content.
The kind of endgame content which was announced to be grind-free, standing above all other MMOs.

No, I hate the new ascended items.

I started playing GW withe expectation that once I got my exotic gear I’m ready for WvW.
I finally got my gear.
Now Anet tells me, that I have to grind again in order to play WvW competitively.

I feel punched into my face.

If this continues I’m out…

For a long time I really loved the skillset of the shortbow.
To be honest, I still do.
It’s just that the current numbers are incredibly inferior to Thief (Pistol/Shortbow), Warriors (Rifle) and Mesmer (Greatsword).
While the Shortbow does have a better mobility (Warrior/Pistol Thief/Mesmer) it still offers less powerful utility than any of those above.
W. Rifle = Root, Cripple, Armor reduction, Knockback
M. GS= Boon Remove, AoE Knockback, Might, Clone, Phantasm, Cripple
T.P= Combo field smoke, vulnerability, interrupt (3100%combo finishers)
T. Bow= Spammable dodge+cripple, spammable combofield poison, AoE blind.

Plus:
It became boring to always run:
Quickening Zephyr
Muddy Terrain /Signet of Renewal
and Lightning reflexes
-only.

Especially when I started playing other classes and saw their utility spells….

The maths are in the post beneath the one with my screenshot, maybe check is it before responding.
I also wrote down several equations in other topics.
It’s not like this is the first topic we’re discussing this very subject.

By the way I broke down the damage to dps (1,5s Unload / 3*0,52 attack time Shortbow)*3 = damage amplifier for the Shortbow damage to make it compareable.
Maybe this helps you understanding the equation when you scroll up.

Sleepy.2647:

I’m quite sure you don’t do 65 bleed damage with berseker gear/build.

You do know that bleeding damage is calculated on-hit timing?
Don’t you think there is a chance of me having >>Might<< on me when I applied it, which just ran out?
*facepalm *

Sorry, I won’t wait till tomorrow, you’re on my ignore list.
You continuously disqualify yourself.
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P.S @"It is impossible to prove your statement".
Pro tip: Just take another boss

@Florence

Warriors ain’t the best profession.
The most successful PvP classes currently are:

1. Guardrin
2. Mesmer
3. Believe it or not, Elementalists
4. Thieves

According to GW2 statistics.

Its unload.
I never said it was my auto attack.
Unload takes 1,5 seconds.
Regardless of that the Ranger still only deals (1,5/1,56)x1026x3/8342~ 36% of a Thief’s DPS.
(Note: full ini. regen build on my Thief)
Again Ignoring the fact, that the Ranger has 10% more crit damage than the Thief.

Sleepy.2647:

You fail to recognize no one said ranger doesn’t need fixes. It can have plenty of fixes without the need of boosting ranger damage to a ridiculous level…like giving our pets inmunity when we use dodge.

Sure, some classes have more block and stuff, but being at that much range it already nerfs their damage output for the most part.

I’ll respond posting this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru_rXq2LYg0

..and I like to post those two pics with the little hint, that – at that point – my Thief had only one rune, while my Ranger already was full equipped…

What race are you?
Also: What gender is your ranger?
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I just scratched all money together to buy the following combination for my thief (unless the ranger update makes my Ranger my main again; I’m waiting for the patch to buy this).

Copy those into your ingame chat and you can preview ’em on your character.

Human/Female/Vigil
[&AgGoDgAA]
[&AgGqDgAA]
[&AgFnDgAA]
[&AgFlDgAA]
[&AgHSFAAA]

At a prize of up to 30g for one piece it is a joke to only receive a rare item.

Sure, cultural armor is bought for the skin only, but it’s a bad joke to create an armor that everybody – without exception – will transmute.

@Ninjah
Bears neither survive 2 blows of Lupicus, nor of Mr.A.
600 range of spiders is nothing.
Most AoE Circles are bigger than that.
Rezz spirit?
Ye…. Awesome Elite…. It’s like Warrior flag without a strong buff and instead of being invincible it dies by just one Ele-AoE.
Longest range ingame, but projectiles which are easier to dodge than GW1 dragon arena (ball-lightnings).
Ye, our bow has 1 escape – sadly a Thief with a bow can do that 6 times in a row while each also applies cripple (ini-reg build).
6 secs inv. requires 30 points on a certain skilltree and a skill with 2 minutes cooldown, with the same effort a Warrior gets 10 seconds.

I find it amusing that you#re saying everybody else has no clue about what is able to the Ranger.
Maybe you should get a clue about other classes to see that most of them have the same, or better utility at lower cost.

Bots mainly farm materials.
They always take the lowest listening in order to make their materials money.
Impatient people tend to underbid prizes in order to make fast money.
In the long run, whenever those two will meet , the prize will go down.
It’ll end when either all bots are banned, or people won’t underbid bots anymore since farming materials for money just isn’t worth it.

Bots are a perversion.
They need no break, no sleep and work 24/7.
They simply flood the market.
( => Sell more than non-virtual-people can buy)
Microeconomics says you’ve got to match the market price, else people won’t buy from you.

There’s our vicious circle downwards.
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We need an intervention by Anet.
While a state influencing the market most often is bad for economics in real life,
in GW2 there has to be a “balance-weight” to the bots to remain market status quo and a healthy economy.
I repeat: bots are a perversion which doesn’t exist in real life.
Offer=demand doesn’t apply to a market flooded by bots.
It’s like 24/7-working units who don’t need rest and work for less than minimum-vague forever.
Players simply can’t compete with that.
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One could say it’s a matter of opportunity cost:
Players will farm materials as long as they get more money by it than farming events.
Since bots make the material prizes drop more and more people will stop gathering materials.
A normal market would balance itself, there would be more offer than demand.
Sadly bots can handle nearly the whole offer-section on their own.
So “player-demand” in the end will equal “bot-offer”.

According to the current pet- acquiring-logic there is no way the next pet is not a
Vilot-Green*-Gridded-Moa.

*Wasabi

I do know that.
The vein-spots do stay the same for a few days though afaik.
Since they changed yesterday and the other veins still are at the same spot – but used, I simply wonder why only 1 out of 5 respawned.

Today at 11.00 A.M I ran the same path with 4 different characters, gathering 5spots of Orichalcum.

Now it’s 8.20 P.M.
I ran the same paths, but only 1 out of 5 spots did respawn the Orichalcum.
From my route it was always spot #2.
So in my timeline it should neither respawn first, nor should it be the only Orichalcum to respawn.

Do Orichalcum Veins in fact have different respawn timers?
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Just tested it on another map.
2/5 respawn.
This is confusing.

Maybe not the best answer, but:
Before you consider buying a new armor wait for the next patch (15th).
Ranger will get buffed/changed in several areas.
Creating plans and a build now might end up in you regretting it in 2 weeks.

However:
If the Sword gets fixed (currently it’s clumsy and the chain disables your dodge) it might be a good weapon to start with.
At the moment the horn is the strongest off-hand choice, unless dagger/axe get an extreme buff this would be a good thing to start your build with.

To be honest, I don’t really see why the Ranger was nerfed in the first place.

Death Blossom Spammers can use 6 Blossoms in a row à 4,2k damage.
100Blade Warriors can dish out 12k damage within 1 knockdown.
Mesmer can constantly crit for 1,8k damage at 12k range plus 3,5k~5k every few seconds /phantasm.

Really… Why were Rangers nerfed anyways?

Dude,
you#re acting like I’ld always be low health with a Thief.
Is this really the argument you want to base your position on?
The fight takes about 5 minutes, as I mentioned before max health and armor are basically EQUAL (2 leather users, same build).
Hell, if I took the picture on my Ranger 27 seconds earlier he’ld have the same health.

Looking at DPS and crit -damage is ridiculous?

Well, there is something getting ridiculous hereaund it’s not a valid ingame comparison, but the pure the denial of mathematical profs and blind ignorance.

Well, I don’t mind anybody who’s staying in his imaginary fairytale world and I won#t waste anymore time trying to argue with a person who wipe all profs of the table and decide to yell thesis with 0 facts or numbers supporting them into your face.

The TO wanted to know why people complain about Rangers. I did the math and gave an infight comparison.
Nothing more to do here.

Are we talking about those pets?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk5DiFJAtWQ

You can’t hit way better.
The ranger got (as you can see by the looks) a full CoE set.
Jewelery is complete “of Berzeker”.

A shortbow attack takes 0,520s
An unload 1,5s.

So even with 3 auto attacks thats only 3078 damage in 0,060s more time.
Which still is less than the half of 8342.
WITH A BETTER GEAR ON THE RANGER (+Precision +10%Crit Damage lacking on the Thief)

E/:
You’re comparing current health? What the hell.
I got his ‘cause I was searching for the screenshot button.
While the Boss didn’t attack me on my other character…
Both are equally tanky….
I wonder how you consider that an argument…

E2/:
“Tons of bleeding”
200 damage if you stand in a certain angle.
Well 200 damage which might actually overwrite the bleeding of another character LOWERING HIS damage.

E/:
You’re invited to show me how strong your shortbow crits are.
We’ll multiply it with 1,5/0,52=2,89 (attackspeed) and lower it by 10% (lacking runes on the Thief).