It’s really just an AE dps race. The more damage your team does to everything (specifically the assassins but they can be AE’d down with the trash) the better. Obviously warriors excel here but I’ve done it several times and only once with any heavy armor wearers. Last night we actually had two mesmers, necro, ele and a ranger and got through it.
In the current broken state there is little you can do vs D/D Ele.
It’s not really just the damage/control which you can negate, you can match their speed with the proper tools, and you can even plow through Protection and shields.
But it’s the fact they can heal massive amounts and self-rally during mist that will simply have them out-last you unless you can too heal up a whole healthbar in seconds or rally on your own.
Just wait until next patch lands, Anet is aware of this hole and will fix it.
er, what?
An out of combat weapon swap would be nice, though I guess I can understand if they don’t bother with it (then people will be asking for it to be in combat).
Ride the Lightning is really the only skill that’s really ‘out there’ as far as a get away ability. The rest falls in line with what pretty much every other class has access to. The cooldown is short and the distance long on RTL so really no D/D ele should ever be killed unless they want to.
Whether or not this is something that needs to be changed is up to the devs. I wouldn’t cry if they changed it into a target required charge or something. I don’t typically use it for transportation and I don’t PvP so escape isn’t something I do often.
I burned out in the mid 40s too and didn’t come back to it for a month or two. It’s been a blast however since coming back and reading daphoenix’s d/d guide and playing accordingly. I too was running staff with a glass cannon like build and additionally wasn’t using all my attunes – just basically playing bad/wrong.
It’s night and day the difference between that and the d/d bunker playstyle – plus the idea that you’re somehow doing less damage is false because of the amount of boons you get (not to mention PVT armor has power as the primary stat so it’s still the same/more power than any other suit).
Kodiak successful troll?
Yea I’m thinking so at this point – I mean look at his first post in this thread he talks about how powerful sitting in fire attune auto attacking is…
Well obviously depending on the weapon some attunes are better than others for tagging, but d/d has no problem hitting 5 people in ANY attune – every single one has an AE so the argument that sticking in fire is the best way to tag targets (at least as d/d) is completely false.
Not to mention you’re going to get far more out of your class with deep arcana and attune swapping. You can claim you don’t spec that way but you’re trying to be a special snowflake and quite frankly – inferior at the class as it’s currently designed.
Also lets not forget this thread is clearly titled ‘new elementalists’ – we’re not talking about tagging mobs at 80 in Orr anyway so I don’t know why this is even relevant to the conversation. Trust me, I tried the one attune method for 40 painful levels (and then stopped playing the class altogether while I got 3 others to 80) – I’d save new elementalists that pain. It might work out ok end game, but that’s not what we’re talking about here.
I actually like the idea behind signets in general and use them fairly often on classes. The way I see it unless you’re using an ability on cooldown, there might be a signet that gives you greater benefit (as the passive effect is something a typical skill lacks).
Such is the case with the heal. I don’t need to cure 3 conditions regularly, or find myself needing yet another weak version of a boon I already have tons of. But the passive heal…yea I can make use of that.
This is exactly why I made this post. XD
I think there are two types of Eles. Those who think they need to pick an attunement (or two) and those who feel like they need to use all four. For this reason, it’s never really talked about. People just assume that what they do is what everyone else does. I want to make sure people realize that they can branch out before ditching the class.
Honestly with what I know now, I think this is a requirement really. I think the elementalist in just one attune is significantly weaker than any other class using just one weapon.
I think the best advice is to try all of them, see if you can find a rotation that works for you, and if you decide to only use certain attunements it will at least be your own decision.
I would definitely suggest trying more than one at least. I made that mistake for 40 levels thinking I was a ‘fire elementalist’ with a staff. God that was painful, I thought the class sucked.
sounds like a glass corpse
I’d rather just see what Anet has in mind than give them suggestions on how to make us suck.
It’s a mistake a lot of people make in this game. They build for glass cannon and get destroyed.
It can work in certain situations but you have to be very good (and lucky) to really pull it off without being a corpse repeatedly.
At least, as an elementalist.
I hear glass cannon warriors aren’t terribly glass-like :P
You guys are going to have to quantify what situations you’re talking about for these skills. Because I can tell you the PVE I do doesn’t require a 3 condition removal active, I get everything dangerous off me just through the water swaps and get plenty of healing through water (this is with 0 healing gear btw).
I finished my PS today. From the 3 bags I got was a dagger, a medium helm and a short bow. Nothing a warrior can use. And all blues. So they are all vender trash. Haven’t seen what the pact trophy thing I have is for yet. But I’m guessing its for a pact weapon. I hope it’s better than rear as I’m in full exotics.
Just a rare with a unique skin.
Honestly none of this should be a surprise, guild wars has never really been a loot-centric game, 1 or 2. It’s more about looks, I guess.
I imagine this is probably why it’s getting nerfed but I pretty much NEVER use my heal since the regen it provides and what I have going on with water attune (d/d) cover me.
So honestly, it’s the best heal of the bunch for d/d, easily (since the others don’t have a passive effect and I’m already swimming in boons)
eh I don’t really care what they do for PVP I just hope it doesn’t screw up my ability to do events and dungeons. We’re already not a terribly popular class in that area.
I assume you’re already in full exotics? There’s also cultural weapons I think that cost Karma.
Is there a spec that lets you just sit in one attune all day and perform well? I think that’s the reason most people are going so deep into arcana and water. The class encourages you to swap attunes consistently – so why wouldn’t you take traits that give you boons and other benefits for doing so (along with reducing the cooldowns)?
It’s almost like most of that stuff should just be baseline.
What a bizarre build. Condition > Power for an ele? Good luck with that, especially in pve.
It’s an odd place to be in, requiring Arah story (thus a dungeon run) to complete your personal story – and having people complain about that, and then also people complaining that it’s too easy to do.
It’s like they can’t make anyone happy.
Fair enough. I always have a hard time considering PvE in a game designed for PvP. Heh
It’s pretty clear they’ve spent just as much if not more time on the PvE in this game.
It’s human (or gamer) nature to gravitate towards the specs that prove both easiest to play with good performance. Doesn’t necessarily mean that’s all you CAN play, but of course that’s what is going to be the most popular.
Unless people are going through terrain they’re not supposed to (through walls or something) I don’t see how you can call it cheating. They’ve already come forth and said certain bosses are optional (but didn’t indicate the rest aren’t, either) so I think you’re confusing cheating with clever play.
It would be different if mobs didn’t leash in dungeons. That says to me they expect people to bypass content when they can.
Hmm, dungeons are designed to “not” be doable by everyone? Did I miss the memo by Anet?
Apparently, you did.
“Dungeons are huge, private adventure areas that only teams of high-level players dare explore. "
Feel free to see how they do not pitch their Dungeons as a Come one and All. https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/dungeons/
This is quite possibly the most hilarious misinterpretation of something I’ve ever seen.
Seriously guy, give it up. You already said you don’t have a problem doing the dungeons yourself so what is the point of this thread? Complaining for others?
Story mode is designed to be done by everyone, all you need to do is meet the level requirement for the dungeon and find 4 similar people. Until it doesn’t count for the monthly you really have no argument at all.
Not a good change. You want to change the core component in what makes the class work, simply because you don’t like how it works. If Anet intended us to use more than one weapon in combat we’d be able to (and likely lose at least half our attunes – no thanks).
Lies and then you tell i m right XD?
Its not sacrificing runes…..its using them for what you need exactly as you do in other things
After all you have to sacrifice traits for ele in order to have permaswiftness….Said that ele is more mobile…..having RTL.
But only with dagger offhand…..otherwise is as mobile as a mesmer.
D/D bunker eles are fully functional WITH perma swiftness. There’s no sacrifice at all.
Did you make a guild for this? It seems to me that’s the perfect way to set this kind of thing up (since you can have multiple guilds and they span servers).
In the teens you have like what, 2-3 trait points?
The stuff you get for switching attunes (and how it interacts with the dagger abilities) is what really makes the build flow.
You should be able to rebind any key if the function keys are hard for you to hit for some reason. I haven’t had that issue myself, though I will admit it took me a while (40 levels and then a month or two of not playing) to adapt to the elementalist playstyle. Sitting in one attune really hurts your performance and will give you a negative feeling for the class (because it won’t be nearly as strong as using one weapon with any other class).
The mobs shouldn’t leash in instances, dunno why they designed them to. They are encouraging this behavior.
Players will simply use stealth.
True, how stealth works in PVE is another conscious design choice of theirs that encourages this behavior. I disagree with it, but it is what it is.
Their Dungeons are designed to be detrimentally hard to do, requiring timing, skill, gear, and know how to even attempt.
Putting the two of them together sends a very mixed signal.
You might have a point if story mode didn’t count towards the credit. They are not requiring you to do explorable dungeons for the monthly credit.
Crafting no, but underwater really is annoying for me.
You think dungeons are easy and yet have a problem with underwater kills?
Seriously?
I don’t have a ‘problem’ with underwater kills, I find them annoying but I do them (all 25 of them each day). A few dungeons over the course of a month (which I’ve already completed by day #4) is trivial in comparison.
Really?
Not to be rude, but, do you mean to tell me that you need to get 4 other people to help you do your daily crafting and underwater kills because they are designed to be that hard and challenging?
Crafting no, but underwater really is annoying for me. However I’m not going to make a post about how it should be removed from the lineup simply because I don’t enjoy that facet of it (nevermind that I’m doing that daily as opposed to monthly). My point is that all these things are part of the game. The monthly is supposed to be about variety of tasks, to get you out of your comfort zone and doing something different (I believe).
Thanks, but, I play this game every day, and I am in a great guild of amazing people, Dungeons are not a problem for me.
I am commenting on the paradox of putting something out that you expect everyone to do (monthly) and then including something on that list that was designed to be prohibitively hard to accomplish.
The only paradox I’m seeing here is that you claim dungeons are not a problem yet you claim this is also “prohibitively hard to accomplish”.
I have been and continue to be hugely disappointed by the lack of “shut down” style of play that I had in GW1. They’ve nerfed confusion into the ground so much it’s just not possible.
I imagine they felt it wasn’t terribly fun to be on the receiving end of it :P
But yea that’s what I miss too, they were more about controlling the opponents actions than…illusions? I guess is the focus now.
Are you using all your attunes?
A typical fight might go something like this:
Start in Air, hit 3 (optional if you don’t have the aura traits), then 4 to charge in, 5 to knockback.
Switch to fire, hit 3 (to charge in again and hit hard), 2 to set on fire, 5 to hit really hard on flaming targets, 4 to put down fire field.
Switch to earth, hit 4 (knockdown + might stacks), 2 (for more bleeds)
Switch to water if I need a heal or air if I just need to finish the mob
You might not need all that depending on your level range, but you have a ton of attacks you just did and most of those will be off cooldown for the next mob (the earth knockdown won’t be but you can manage).
I have 3 80’s Shimond all at the last part of the story (arah). Not all of us play during prime hours nor are we able to. I haven’t personally seen Arah opened in ages and haven’t been able to get a 5 man together for it when it was.
If you group with someone on a server where it’s open you don’t need to have your’s open. Just be in Cursed Shore when they enter and you’ll get the teleport prompt.
I just think a lot of people (perhaps not you) give up without even trying. They just run away from group content because it’s outside their comfort zone.
I went staff til 40 then switched to dagger/dagger. However I also played staff very poorly (never changed attunements, sat in fire with all fire buffing traits).
If I had to do it over again I’d start dagger/dagger and just get better at it by 80 (figure learning how to use it without all the great traits would make you a better player).
The mobs shouldn’t leash in instances, dunno why they designed them to. They are encouraging this behavior.
I dunno, to me it isn’t any different than having crafting or gathering (or underwater kills) being a part of dailies. They’re ALL part of the game, whether you choose to do them or not is up to you. You’re not required to do the daily/monthly.
That being said, story mode counts towards the monthly too, so there you go. Easy task to complete.
I think you guys are selling both your other players and the developers short by not even attempting Arah story mode.
I did it twice yesterday (once with a full pug, once with mostly guildmates who needed it still) and had a blast. It wasn’t difficult at all, and they nerfed the crap out of the latter parts of it (apparently) so once you get past like the 3rd boss or so you can practically autopilot the rest of the instance. The cinematics were great and it was a good conclusion, I felt.
Just use gw2lfg.com and you can find a group within minutes, as I have every time I’ve tried to get one for a dungeon. Everyone I’ve met so far has been helpful and kind, not the troglodytes you are imagining all the rest of us players to be.
Mesmer was my class of choice in GW1, but I just can’t get into them here. Definitely prefer Elementalist.
COF path 2 (the one with Magg) was difficult for my guild too but we were able to get by it by focusing on the assassins. What we did was have all of us line up in front of Magg and had one ranged (mesmer I think) manually targetting the assassins with ctrl+T so we knew where they were in the horde of stuff. Because we were all clumped together the rest of the adds were dead before they did much damage/cc to us. We kept failing when we tried to just all fight out in the center of the room running around (too much wasted AE on mobs not in range).
er only 28 in FOTM? I thought progressing through that was your “HC content”
I like learning through trial and error myself but it feels like im ruining someone elses fun doing so. Maybe I need two more friends.
That’s how I do them myself, in a guild with like-minded people so we’re not holding up/disappointing the powergamers who just want fast tokens.
I would suggest watching the video guides linked at the top of this forum before doing an explorable so you at least have some idea of what you’re getting into. Above that, communication is key in letting them know you’re new. You might get some pushback because of that immediately, but that’s a lot better than them finding out after several wipes that you don’t know what you’re doing :P
Definitely, Factions was my favorite GW expac.
While it’s nice to hear more than the complaining voice on these forums, don’t make the mistake of assuming one ‘side’ of the issue is bigger than the other.
You have no idea.
The only racial I ever used was the prayer to lyssa (gives a random boon and random condition) at lower levels. I don’t think I bother with any other racials on any of my characters in general though. Seems like your class skills are superior for the most part.