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JonPeters.5630:

I wanted to dig into the instanced vs non-instanced debate a bit. Here are 4 questions I’ll pose:

• What do people see as the benefits of instanced?
• What do you see as the benefits of open world guild halls?
• How could we get the benefits of instanced guild halls in a system of open world guild halls?
• How could we get the benefits of open world guild halls in a system where guild halls are instanced?

Jon

It is very difficult to answer these questions as we do not know what kind of features the guild hall will have and for what purpose the guild hall will serve. I can voice a general opinion but not very specific one.

What do people see as the benefits of instanced?
Less lag and privacy. Most importantly, will not get placed on different instance due to map population. More flexibility and customizations.

What do you see as the benefits of open world guild halls?
Able to publicise your guild and show off to everyone how amazing your guild hall is.

How could we get the benefits of instanced guild halls in a system of open world guild halls?
Guild hall entrance can be made to accept only guild members while outsiders can still see the external of it. However, flexibility and customizations will become limited due to environment.

How could we get the benefits of open world guild halls in a system where guild halls are instanced?
It is possible to create a guild halls district instance where guild halls are located.

Yes yes, if you have siege disabler, logically, you should have siege enabler too :’)

Survey is good. There have been a few unofficial surveys already done by some players.

Survey might not be able to provide the details but at least, it is able to provide certain insights of things. Also, with a survey that is designed properly, it will allow one to data mine (analyse information, that’s what data mine really means) and summarise or even discover certain things that you never thought existed.

Did twice with guildies few days ago, encountered the same bug. A year old bug and not fixing it, tsk tsk.

Jim Hunter.6821:

SkyShroud.2865:

timmyf.1490:

SkyShroud.2865:

The suggestions are so vague. What is alliance? How does this alliance gonna behave in this WvW context? What is worlds?

TBH, I still believe closing 9 servers is the better way to go. The large list of servers to choose from is one of the reasons why the population base is spread thin.

Do you think Crystal Desert should be closed?

If that improves the gameplay, then so be it. The server pride is not going to solve problem, in fact, it is a obstacle to solving the problem. Alliance? It just gonna create confusion. How even this alliance gonna works anyway, no one knows. There are only two options, keep the problem or solve the problem.

Closing servers doesn’t have be done selectively but rather, holistically. Closing all servers and recreate 18 servers of new names. All players are given option to choose a new server. Allowing transfer to be free for a period of time. Basically, resetting everyone to square one.

If people want the server pride or don’t want to begin from square one again even though population issue is resolved, then, don’t complain about population imbalance.

For the record, I didn’t complain about population imbalance.

I could go along with this if they made the server cap the active number of WvW players divided by the number of servers in order to balance the servers. Doing it without the cap would be pointless because people would stack on certain servers and we’d have the same problem.

Server capping. Yes, I got a new idea to improve that too. Server population does include all types of players, if WvW depend on the server population balance then PvEr population can upset that balance. Then, why not put it this way. PvE is now a mega server, it can actually be seen as a neutral zone. So, making people choose “Worlds” at the start of the game doesn’t make much sense, especially when they haven’t join any guilds yet or know any things about WvW. Why not allow people to choose their “Worlds” only when they want to enter WvW, then tie their account to that world.

Also, the word, “World”, doesn’t really relate well now. The PvE environment is no longer unique to the “world”, I suggest we change the “world” to other words, maybe, “Fraction”? “Fractions War” sounds more attractive than “WvW” too!

EOTM can also be used as a testing zone for new players to get a bit of taste and understanding of the WvW before they choose to join a world.

timmyf.1490:

SkyShroud.2865:

The suggestions are so vague. What is alliance? How does this alliance gonna behave in this WvW context? What is worlds?

TBH, I still believe closing 9 servers is the better way to go. The large list of servers to choose from is one of the reasons why the population base is spread thin.

Do you think Crystal Desert should be closed?

If that improves the gameplay, then so be it. The server pride is not going to solve problem, in fact, it is a obstacle to solving the problem. Alliance? It just gonna create confusion. How even this alliance gonna works anyway, no one knows. There are only two options, keep the problem or solve the problem.

Closing servers doesn’t have be done selectively but rather, holistically. Closing all servers and recreate 18 servers of new names. All players are given option to choose a new server. Allowing transfer to be free for a period of time. Basically, resetting everyone to square one.

If people want the server pride or don’t want to begin from square one again even though population issue is resolved, then, don’t complain about population imbalance.

For the record, I didn’t complain about population imbalance.

The suggestions are so vague. What is alliance? How does this alliance gonna behave in this WvW context? What is worlds?

TBH, I still believe closing 9 servers is the better way to go. The large list of servers to choose from is one of the reasons why the population base is spread thin.

Ohoni.6057:

According to your arguments, it means that solo player should be able to earn commendations without joining a guild, right?

Ideally, yes, they should, but short of that, I’m fine with it so long as the things you can ONLY buy with commendations are not excessively useful. For example you can buy Ascended Accessories with Commendations, but they are not super vital to have, and you can also buy them with Laurels.

But yes, ideally solo players could have methods of earning Commendations, perhaps by participating in guild events that happen nearby, whether they are in the guild or not.

Here I quote. Btw, what is your definition of a medieval guild?

The definition that he was apparently insisting on, the original use of the word as a trade union. It really doesn’t apply to how MMO guilds function, except in very craft-heavy games like SWG.

I don’t know. Many of your opinions seems to be towards being individualistic rather than guild oriented which is one of the points of the CDI.

The point is to define what guilds should be. People that are very guild-oriented should no more define that outcome than people who are very raid focused should define raids (the answer to that one would be massively complex and time consuming raids that are absolutely essential to getting the best gear in the game).

I’m clearly coming at this discussion from the perspective of someone who doesn’t want to need a strong guild, but that is a fair perspective that some unknown thousands of players share. I expect many of you want to run a strong guild, and to have that position give you a lot of personal strength, and that’s a fair position to advocate, but I’m here to look out for the little guy who doesn’t want to feel sidelined by the rise of the mega-corporation.

I’m favorable to certain changes to guilds that make them easier to communicate and play with, but I am definitely opposed to anything that give a guilded player significant advantage over a non-guilded one.

Guilds should be about playing the same game as everyone else, only with a strong communication and coordination tool that makes it easier for them to play together. Guilds should not be about playing a higher level of game than other players have access to, with superior rewards.

For the record, just to get it on record, I have my own personal guild, of which I’m the only member, that has the full bank suite and a little left over, and I also recently joined another guild that is quite nice, but I mainly hook up with them on weekends to run the guild missions, and honestly I mostly prefer to do other types of activities, but I wanted to pick up some of those sweet, sweet Commendations. I have alts to feed. They’re nice guys but guild missions are kinda lame.

Ideally I could rep my own guild (which has a cooler icon, no offense guys), while always having their guild chat active, and only really run content with them when we both wanted to do the same type of content at the same time.

In that case, you shouldn’t be worried. Anet has allowed items to be accessible by everyone without fail. Just like you said, ascended accessories can be bought through laurel. The only different is that people who participated in the guild missions have easier time obtaining these accessories. So, base on the same principals, guild related rewards are based on existing items and they are able to obtain it easier or cheaper.

The game itself is balanced such that there is no crazy gear and there will never be. I also read it somewhere that ascended is the final tier, there won’t be any more new tiers.

People are more concern of contents exclusive to guild, for example, guild missions are exclusive to guild. What most people want is to make guild special, not items wise but content wise.

There are so many good suggestions .____.

Since this is QOL and discussions on Guild Hall/Raid/GvG will be on another CDI phase (assuming I read correctly)

1. Implemention of a Guild Calendar Function
2. Guild wide Bulletin Boards/ Mails
3. Rank System Improvements for Horizontal/Vertical Ranks

I think able to send a guild mail is far better than having the MOTD popping up.

Ohoni.6057:

SkyShroud.2865:

That is weird. Are you saying that a solo player should be given access of resources and networks that a guild have even though these resources and networks were built up by the many different guild members?

I’m saying that guilds should not have access to resources and networks that individual players do not have access to. I mean, if you have a guild where players collect iron ore and leave it in the bank, which other players are able to withdraw, then that’s fine, a solo player still has access to iron ore, even if it’s less convenient. There shouldn’t be methods, however, for guilded players to gain actual advantage over any solo player, for example having 500-600 crafting require a specialized crafting station that only developed guilds can access, cutting solo players out of that process entirely. Players should not be forced to join guilds in order to maximize their character build, even if joining a guild might make that process faster and easier.

Guilds can provide a more convenient access to a given element, particularly when it comes to cases of simple teamwork and economy of scale, but guilds should be given nothing that cannot be earned by a solo player as well.

O.o

According to your arguments, it means that solo player should be able to earn commendations without joining a guild, right?

Ohoni.6057:

SkyShroud.2865:

I have read some of your comments and you seems to hold fervently on the beliefs that guild should be in a certain way and claiming that 99% of players think so too which I wonder if there is a creditable source for that.

I never said anything about any percentage of the player, but guilds are a certain thing in this game, and to significantly overhaul their core function (such as making them MUST HAVE in order to be the best you can be) would significantly shift the way the game functions, and not something they should do unless they are sure that the vast majority of the players would prefer it that way.

Ohoni.6057:

But you’re trying to apply your definition to this game, where ti clearly does not apply. Don’t you understand that sometimes words have different meanings in different contexts? An MMO guild bears only the most casual relationship to a historical medieval guild, and to 99.99% of players, that’s how they would prefer it to stay. Most players do not want a medieval guild, they want a guild like the guilds that have existed in this, and other MMOs that they have played. If forced to choose, they would prefer to have the :guild" feature renamed to something more strictly accurate to their function than to have their function changed to be more strictly accurate to the name.

Here I quote. Btw, what is your definition of a medieval guild?

Ohoni.6057:

SkyShroud.2865:

I don’t see how the argument will yield any results as you are fixture on treating a guild as a form of tool which once you are done with it, you will throw it away. On the other hand, there are people who want to treat the guild not as a tool but something else.

How you treat your guild is up to you. How others treat theirs is up to them. If you want your guild to be a very tightly knit and permanent social network, then you find like-minded players and make that happen. If you want your guild to be a very casual resources that players use as they need and ignore when they don’t, then find like minded players and do that. You can do either today using the existing mechanisms. I’m in no way telling you how to run your guild, just that you can’t enforce your own views of how a guild should behave onto other players.

I don’t know. Many of your opinions seems to be towards being individualistic rather than guild oriented which is one of the points of the CDI.

Shufflepants.9785:

SkyShroud.2865:

Jerus.4350:

Proposal Overview
Change to Influence, instead of only adding for the guild you are currently representing have it add for all the guilds that you are a part of.
Goal of Proposal
Combat the idea of 100% rep. Maybe it’s just me but I feel that the idea of 100% rep goes against the idea of 5 guilds that I think is a great idea GW2 had.
Proposal Functionality
Currently many guilds require 100% rep because they then get all the influence you acquire. Which makes sense, if everyone is chipping in it’s easier to maintain buffs and run guild missions and basically just use the cool tools guilds have. But, what are my other 4 guilds for then? Of course one of them is a personal bank if you’re a hoarder like me. But then I still have 3 spots sitting there. If influence were the same whether you 100% rep or not I think most would be more willing to have people be part of the guild without having to be devoted solely to that guild. I always figured the 5 guilds were so you could have different guilds for different activities. I could have a WvW, a World boss, a PVP, and a Dungeon guild for example. But currently that just doesn’t really work because they each want me to rep them constantly.
Associated Risks
It would lessen the devotion to a single guild, I could see how some would say that’s bad. But, I think it’s a worthwhile loss to get the full effect of the 5 guild slots.

For your info, my guild is 100% rep and we didn’t enforce 100% because of influence.
I don’t understand why people saying guilds enforce 100% rep because of influence. Just because some lesser guilds do that doesn’t mean all guilds do that.

He didn’t say your guild enforces 100% rep because of influence, just that many guilds do. We say that many guilds do because we have personally seen/heard about guilds who do this.

I don’t really see many guilds enforce 100% rep, all the guilds I seen which enforce that are particularly large guild. I don’t really see small guilds enforcing that kind of rule.

Ohoni.6057:

The point is, your character’s personal growth capability should never be tied to which guilds you belong to. Anything you can earn through membership in a guild. you should have access to as a solo player. The only defining feature of a guild should be as a way to organize players in a long term fashion.

That is weird. Are you saying that a solo player should be given access of resources and networks that a guild have even though these resources and networks were built up by the many different guild members?

I have read some of your comments and you seems to hold fervently on the beliefs that guild should be in a certain way and claiming that 99% of players think so too which I wonder if there is a creditable source for that.

I don’t see how the argument will yield any results as you are fixture on treating a guild as a form of tool which once you are done with it, you will throw it away. On the other hand, there are people who want to treat the guild not as a tool but something else.

In any case, many posts in this QOL threads should prove enough that many want the guild to be something else and not just a tool.

Jerus.4350:

Proposal Overview
Change to Influence, instead of only adding for the guild you are currently representing have it add for all the guilds that you are a part of.
Goal of Proposal
Combat the idea of 100% rep. Maybe it’s just me but I feel that the idea of 100% rep goes against the idea of 5 guilds that I think is a great idea GW2 had.
Proposal Functionality
Currently many guilds require 100% rep because they then get all the influence you acquire. Which makes sense, if everyone is chipping in it’s easier to maintain buffs and run guild missions and basically just use the cool tools guilds have. But, what are my other 4 guilds for then? Of course one of them is a personal bank if you’re a hoarder like me. But then I still have 3 spots sitting there. If influence were the same whether you 100% rep or not I think most would be more willing to have people be part of the guild without having to be devoted solely to that guild. I always figured the 5 guilds were so you could have different guilds for different activities. I could have a WvW, a World boss, a PVP, and a Dungeon guild for example. But currently that just doesn’t really work because they each want me to rep them constantly.
Associated Risks
It would lessen the devotion to a single guild, I could see how some would say that’s bad. But, I think it’s a worthwhile loss to get the full effect of the 5 guild slots.

For your info, my guild is 100% rep and we didn’t enforce 100% because of influence.
I don’t understand why people saying guilds enforce 100% rep because of influence. Just because some lesser guilds do that doesn’t mean all guilds do that.

JonPeters.5630:

Great points here and I think what I am hinting at is that if there was a way to maintain the current guild functionality of multiple guilds but also add a way to really commit to a singular guild what are the features old and new that you think are important for your basic guilds vs your, for lack of a better term, “home” guild.

Jon

I think that whether the players will commit to a guild depend on the social factor, the nature of the guild and also guild related contents. The social factor is self explanatory. The nature of the guild will be if the guild is pve, wvw, pvp or pvx and if the players interests are within the domain of the guild. Finally, guild related contents, unfortunately, there isn’t much to speak of, will determine if people will want to commit to the guild.

I believe that if there is more guild related content that are more competitive, players might get more involved with the guild and slowly become more attached to the guild.

What makes a guild a guild?
This is subjective and a guild has different meaning to different people. Some people use a guild as a storage place, some people use a guild as a meeting place for their friends, some people use a guild as a form of service provider to meet a certain goal, some people see a guild as a virtual family. Everyone sees a guild differently.

Likewise, guilds are built differently as well. Some guilds are less forgiving, some guilds don’t care about the members, some guilds are more social-able, some guilds are more elitism, some guilds are more welcoming, and so on.

Since everyone sees the guild differently and use them differently. It is very difficult to create a generic guild system that is able to satisfy every party. When you try to satisfy one party, you might undermine the other parties. The guild system as it is now try to compromise the different parties by not going too far or too little. I don’t really see there’s a need to change how representation work and I don’t see how you can change it without angering the different groups of people.

Influence & Repping
A lot of the arguments are centric around influence, proclaiming that guild enforce 100% rep because of influence. I wonder how true is that.

Personally, I took over a guild because the leader went inactive and then founded another guild. When I took over the guild, it is no different from a dead guild with only handful of representing members. While I am trying to build up the guild single handedly, I realise that the flexibility of representation is making it very difficult to build a generic guild because people will end up representing different guilds, those guilds were populated back then but no longer exist today. I decided to enforce a high rep rule. Was it for influence? It wasn’t at all, it was necessary to create a social environment. Then, I founded a new guild, bringing all the active members over, looking for a proper closure with the inactive leader and start a guild where I am the legitimate leader. Then, my guild grown and space become limited, it was then I implemented the 100% rep rule on my guild.

Just to state a point, just because some people use 100% rep rule to gain influence, not everyone has 100% rep rule for the same reason.

Good & Bad leaderships
Some of the suggestions are towards helping certain type of guilds to gain a more stable memberships. However, I think such suggestion arise because of people who are bad at running a guild. Not everyone is a leader, a leader is not a commander but more than that. Some guilds which was once large, populated, and reputed but now, they no longer exist or have shrink to a pathetic state. Was it because of representation or was it because of collapsed leadership that lead to their downfall? I think that whether or not a guild can succeed or not depend not on the representation but rather on the people that are running the guilds. I personally don’t support suggestions that aim at helping guilds with incapable leaderships. This is pretty much a player problem and not because the system is flawed.

Multi-guild chat
Personally, I don’t approve of such thing. In my guild alone, I already have much difficulties trying to know everyone. So, it is pretty much impossible for me or any individuals to have any meaningful interactions with another 4 guilds worth of members. In other words, people who mentioned improve social interactions, with 2500 players, are you serious?

However, to those who are suggesting that because you wish to talk to a selected group of individuals, that sounds reasonable. But, I would suggest that the chat system to be improved to allow group chats, something similar whatsapp or facebook chat or google chat which allow you to chat with multiple people. Simply because not everyone uses the guild in the same way and as mentioned, there can be no one generic guild system that is capable of satisfying all parties. Rather than changing it and taking the risk, huge risk in fact. It is better to adapt something that is more feasible, viable and more reasonable.

Current representation system
Finally, I see the current representation as a form of virtual physical movements. It simulate the fact that you can’t appear at two different places at the same time just like you can’t be in two different parties at the same time.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

JonPeters.5630:

I see a variety of comments on feeling more attachment to a specific guild and a lot of talk of the # of guilds people are a part of and the fear that is causing a lack of attachment. This lack of attachment keeps players players from being compelled to belong to any of their guilds instead of being compelled to belong to all of them .

With all due respect Mr. Peters,

I believe the ability to join multiple guilds on this game is should not have existed at all. Very simply, it discourages guild loyalty and defeats the entire purpose of joining a guild in the first place.

Guilds are supposed to be a dedicated, close knit group of people. An ideal scenario would be a flourishing, active community in-game AND outside of the game, supported by communication programs such as IRC/forums/voice. The system now? Guilds having half the people not representing. Highly inactive/non-existent offsite interaction. Guilds are typically a hi-bye affair in the game.

People who say “I represent this guild today for WvW, then that guild tomorrow for PvE” – this isn’t how guilds are supposed to work. In my opinion anyway. Guilds are groups where people do different things together – not a “I come as I like” place. People who represent different guilds on different days as and when they like are akin to clan-hoppers.

But obviously, this isn’t just the fault of guild hoppers alone. The guild system design in this game is absolutely sub par – you want people to know as many different groups of people as possible, but do not allow players to participate in the chat of guilds they are not representing. This, to me is the biggest problem about the guild system, because it renders useless the participation of a player, simply because he/she does not know what is happening in other guilds.

I respect your decision to give people the ability to join multiple guilds, but I still believe it was a wrong one.

I can understand where this is coming from. I have played many MMORPGs which adapt the one guild per character system. So, basically, players will put their main characters in the main guild. Not only that, guilds in some MMORPGs have very limited slots. So, their alts might not even be allowed in the guild.

The players belonging to those guilds are much closer to each other in comparison to the players in Guild Wars 2. Perhaps, players are forced to interact with each other and these forceful interactions breed meaningful interactions.

Sadly, in guild wars 2, I have observed that many guilds are being treated like a service or running like a service provider while players are just numbers to perform certain activities. This type of guild is pretty meaningless, dull, uninteresting and pointless.

Some people might think that this is just a game and doesn’t have to get that serious into it; attachment, sense of belonging, loyalty, pride, etc. However, I think that a game can only be truly fun and interesting if people get that serious into it.

Proposal Overview
Fix guild missions control bug!

Goal of Proposal
The guild missions bug has been there since the beginning and it has yet to be fixed. Anyone in the guild can start the guild missions, this is troubling to large guilds which accept complete newbies.

Proposal Functionality
Fix it.

Associated Risks
None

Zesbeer.8365:

Proposal Overview
Guild Event Calendar

Goal of Proposal
create a fast and easy way to schedule guild events without having to send out mail or whispers to your guild.

Proposal Functionality
Under the guild window there would be a calendar tab with a plan blank calendar

• ability to add events
  • date and time info along with ingame waypoint or poi
  • ability to have the event span across more than one day
  • ability to have events repeat like when make up guild missions take place ect.
• rank options for who can add, remove, edit and view
• option to be able to be mailed a summary (per player so if a player wants to opt out of it they can)
• option to turn on anet events ( things like feature patch updates or pvp/wvw tournament starts)

Associated Risks

• spam
• inappropriate language or events added
• conflicting events with other guilds (note that every guild would have there own and other guilds would not be able to see them unless you were a member of that guild)

In additional to what suggested.

Goal of Proposal
Easier to coordinate with individuals of different timezone.

Proposal Functionality
Display a alert in guild chat if there is a upcoming guild event in xx minutes.

Proposal Overview
Displaying members’ representing percentage.

Goal of Proposal
This is mainly for large guild with large number of members. There are some guilds with some level of flexibility but there might be players who are exploiting these flexibilities inorder for them to make use of large guilds’ resources (which are contributed by legit members) while enjoying benefits from other guilds. So, guild leaders and officers might want to know the amount of time individuals has spent representing the guild.

Proposal Functionality
An additional column in the guild members tab which display the representing percentage of the members. If anet did not keep track of such data, then, it is good to start from 100%. It might be good to reset the data every week or bi-weekly or monthly, in order to ensure the data maintain certain level of accuracy.

Associated Risks
Use more resources on the server-side. Guild server might become more sluggish.

Proposal Overview
Mess mailing to members by ranks or to all.

Goal of Proposal
Some guilds might want to inform certain group of people that they are being kicked due to inactive, as a form of formality. Some leaders might want to communicate with their officers about certain plans. Etc Etc Etc. Allowing individuals who are given the rights to mess mail to communicate with the selected members of given ranks will provide greater reach in communication between selected ranks.

Proposal Functionality
An additional mailing communication tab in the guild tab or a revamp of existing mail system. An additional tab in the guild tab will be more logical than revamping the existing mail system since this functionality is related to the guild system.

There should be a new permission setting (in rank) on who are allowed to use the mail system. There should be a global limit on how many mail can be sent, for example, two mess mail per 5min.

Associated Risks
Abuse in mail form by irresponsible guild leaders, including gold sellers. Not a big risk, members can choose to stay there or leave it.

Proposal Overview
Display MOTD in chat

Goal of Proposal
Most people don’t open the guild tab to read the message of the day. Displaying MOTD in chat will increase the communication reach between guild and the members.

Proposal Functionality
When the member logon or begin representing, display the MOTD in the chatline.

Associated Risks
Abuse in text form by irresponsible guild leaders. Not a big risk, members can choose to stay there or leave it.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can ensure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can ensure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can assure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can assure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can ensure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can ensure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can ensure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can ensure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can ensure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

PS: we don’t RP ._.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can ensure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can ensure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can ensure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can ensure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can ensure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

they wan to make it inline with the chinese version =(

LoL!!

Thanks, was wondering why my game looks darker and more blur now. hahaha

Hi,

Will anet be refunding people who had bought several commander tags before the patch?

special choice will be….
engineer has strong cleaving dps (if you have the correct build)
ranger is average (even if you are using the correct build, the upcoming feature patch is gonna improve that build further, so it might push ranger from “average” to “good”)

otherwise
just go for warrior, is hard to go wrong with that

PS: go search the builds, not spoon feeding :’)

all protest will die down over the time…
the most important thing is that awareness is raised…

That’s weird. I found a few SOR while advertising. I think I got some of them to transfer :’)

WvW guilds usually recruit in this few ways…

• Getting supports from other WvW guilds
• Build it up completely by themselves (Work well during launch, it will take around 6 months to reach the minimum standard)
• Backstab and steal other guilds’ members (It happens only in large guilds)
• Create a name yourselves by being a pug commander! Then, advertise it while you are leading!
• Advertise in WvW maps (duh)
• Merge with other guilds (when your guild is dying, it also means you are a bad leader if your guild is dying)

However, since you are doing something even more specific which is WvW havoc, it is even more difficult to build. Firstly, WvW guilds don’t take in newbies. Secondly, WvW havoc means is a small group, most people want to do raid. Thirdly, you want a tight knit community which is made even harder with a semi-rep rule, most WvW’ers are not tight knit, they are just bought together through common interest, mainly no-string attach.

Since you just started, I will advise you getting people who logon at the same timing as yourself. Also, try do make some advertisement in the WvW maps, some people might be annoyed but hey, it takes efforts and commitment to build a guild up by yourself, especially when you are not receiving helps from others and doing it in a ethical manner, so, don’t be bothered by the minorities whining.

ingame guild listing eh…
how will the list be sorted then?

if display by server and sort the guild in alpha order, the guilds that start with A or Z will get more publicity….

if sort the guild by size, well, there might guilds who dont want ppl to join them due to size, and that kinda invading guild privacy! =X

if sort the guild by influence, large guild will surely be at the top, then again, it also invading the guild privacy! =X

pay a sum of $$ to be listed but the abv problems will still arise, perhaps adapt the highset bid to be listed at first list, then it will become a pay more to list type of function

also, mustn’t forget that there are bank guilds, list them too? ermmm….

i think the changes are to keep gw2 in line with gw2 china =X

If there is SAB half a year, no, even once a year, I think is not bad. I don’t think is very demanding for the players to request having it once per year.

I find it difficult to fight a pro s/d thief using mediation build. Any advise?

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can ensure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can ensure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.

Hi,

[TIME] is a large guild based on “Crystal Desert” server. We adapt a non-discriminatory policy which is to say we accept players of different backgrounds as long they met our simple requirements and abide to our code of conducts which are based on basic ethic and moral principles.

The requirements are as followed:

• 100% Representation. As mentioned, we are a large guild thus space is very limited but we can ensure you that the guild is active and there are always players online at any given time.
• Crystal Desert resident. Currently, the guild has stop accepting non-CD players as we have maxed out our quota limit on the number of non-CD players we can have within the guild at any given time. If you are willing to transfer, we will accept you!

Check out our small after guild missions dance video!
http://youtu.be/FInMgDeM2VQ

If interested, drop me a PM.