Guild Wars 2

SwickHobo.5096:

Noone ever thinks the class they play are OP. Just saying.

Farzo.8410:

This is my experience meeting an Elementalist

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/v2/play.php?id=157807

Haha Epic win.

Part of me agree with you and part of me don’t since some people claim a class being Op due to misinform,in fact the class is good but no way near Op as some people claim because of some reasons.

LoL, at least u have not started a duel yet.For me the worst part is we win the tournament, then suddenly the server shut downs and kick me out. I tried to log in, 5 mins later, I am in but I was seeing myself somewhere I had been bf I entered the match.With doubt that the server had been re-rolled and my guess is correct. So no reward for us on that tournament, even we win and it is not an easy win.

Archaon.6245:

Stealth.9324:

please provide ONE name that is a competitive player (20+) and I will ask directly that person.

Phantaram.4816

Thank you.I will up a duel with him tonight.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Caffynated.5713:

Ostricheggs.3742:

ability to deal burst damage at the same level as a zerkers ele with a valk ammy/zerk jewel.

The potential damage is the same between valk/zerk because the power and crit damage are the same on those amulets. Where they’re different is in precision and the likelihood that those high numbers actually pop up. Valk is going to crit 1 in 3 attacks, and zerk with crit on 2 in 3 (both with fury)

The choice between zerk/valk is ~22% average DPS vs ~22% damage mitigation from toughness, and 284 vitality or healing.

Oh, and they have AoE protection on demand, one of the most underrated things that an ele has.

Who underrates Elemental Attunement? A poll on the ele forums rated it as the most important trait/ability that the class has no matter what spec you’re running.

But the idea with valks is that if they get decently lucky and crit on their certain abilities they’ll do as much damage as zerkers.

I seriously dislike it, but I know the overall damage is lower. It’s just that when you get crit 3 firegrabs in a row it can get slightly frustrating because it’s a sacrifice that doesn’t seem to sacrifice anything given you’re lucky enough.

Thanks for joining us Ostrich,I have seen your e-sport clip with Engineer.It is good.

Back to the topic: Fire Grab right now has very unreliable hit box.With moving target,it miss 50/50 to me. Whether I am bad or the skill just being so unreliable. If I am just bad,again skill reward good players. Land it to connect already hard, but make it Crit 3 times in a row is extremely lucky.And 7k Crit Fire Grab, I am sure the else Ida Berzerker build. 3 fire grap with the interval of 45s cool down each, in total of 135 s = 2 mins +. You are a good engine with might stacking build,able to keep 25 stack of might all the time, grenade kit give you access to a lot of condition.While in Eles case, he has no toughness and 10 k health.Let say he is able to clean your condition,no way he would survive with 25 stack of might grenade coming at him,not to mention his heal power is not that great either. if he did manage to survive in 2 mins against any Engineer eith berzerk build,he MUST BE extreme Skill, I mean way over extreme. And again, victory reward to skill player.

cheer

Bumaye.7168:

Ele are not op but i show you a easy way to kill him.

Logout to the carackter creation
make a ranger
click start
make a trapper build
kill him.

I Love my Ranger.

Love that xD

Hicci.8761:

My advices are mostly for guardians: The most important thing in my opinion is to dodge/block/stability the first RTL as that will give them an advantage and enable them to set the pace.
Also always notice the rocks that are flying around them. This means they have stability and you shouldn’t burn your CC there.

Retaliation is a great tool against D/D eles as they have 2 breath attacks that hit many times in a row. Seeing as you have high armor, you will be able to return almost all the damage from those attacks.

Keep constant pressure and leave no space. Sword is good because you can hit them from medium range and also close the distance with #2.

Also be aware of churning earth (that charged skill that causes rock spikes to blast trought the ground). Don’t think you can get away from its range since most eles know how to tele-cast. Time your dodge or block. You get the hang of the timing very quickly.

Thank you for all the tips. Tips for dodging CE:Count down 2.75s to nearly 3s Since he cast his CE.I assume no one knows what a CE casting animation looks like,if not pls contact me ASAP.You will be able to dodge,Flash or No Flash.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Stealth.9324:

At the moment, in PVP, we only have Conquest mode, which the objective is Hodling point. By making opponent (Eles) to RtL away, won’t you just win the battle already? Why chasing him and have to kill him down? If it is for the Glory Point that concern you, since you already tag him, no matter who kill him, you still get the Glory Point. And with my experience playing in sPvP, chasing down any class alone is a very risky move. First, you leave your post open to opponent to re-capture,second you will be in trouble if that is a trap to kite you to his friend. Only chasing down when u are in a group, and even so, Eles can not get away because if your group is good, they will immobolize him.

Tip to stop RtL: Immobolize him, done.

Thanks for reading.

RTL is an instant cast. You can predict when he’s gonna use it, but it’s far from a 100% counter and usually just wastes the immob as it doesn’t work if he’s already RTLing. Immobs are few and far between on most classes as well.

And your lack of understanding the value of speed and why it makes eles so strong in tourneys leads me to believe that you shouldn’t be preaching to players that have played against eles in the same build for months on end. We understand how to “beat” an ele, and we have “beaten” eles before. They’re just exceptionally hard to deal with and very frustrating to most players.

When an Else switch to air attune while in low health and he has been used all of his cartoon,and his heal not so long ago and the water attument he just switch out on CDs,while Being alone you can predict 100% he get ready to escape with RtL. I do understand the I important of Speed,it is just because of that,people claim Eles excel at Burst and Tank at the same time ,while also excel at mobility,Open overall does it sound logic to you? If some people does have brain in their head and learning the class,I would not trouble myself right now.

LoL. I did not know that how it going. Thanks for telling me No wonder I always feel strange how a high rank PvPer can say such misinform thing like that and I am nice enough to not think they are lying their rank…..

Thanks for the explaination, piperrak.

@Ivis: Your post was too long, so to save space, I will just list a few thing here:

A full glass cannon Thief has no Toughness, I understand. A Bunker Eles has full Toughness that I do understand too. What I don’t understand is why you compare a Full Glass Cannon with an Eles that will spend point in Toughness or Vitality?At the very least, you can compare a Full Glass Cannon Thief has no Toughness and has as much as a Full Glass Cannon Eles. However, Thief has Stealth and Regen while in Stealth and ability to constant Stealth. So Thief can just Stealth and leave the battlefield. An Eles, however, a full glass cannon get into a 2 men fight is asking for a suicidal, except he is EXTREMLY skill or the Group is just bad. Skill Rewarding Player.

You say we get the Stunbreaker for free? We only get free Condition Cleanser while Attune to Water,not in every Attune Swap, in every 9s if traited and 15s normally. And no, we sacrifice a lot of DPS just for this benefit. And while in Water, we do the least Dams, and once we are out,we are locked for the next 9s or 15s.

How Attument is in short CD? Think Attunement like Weapon Swap for Eles. All the other class can have their 10s Weapon Swap WITHOUT traited plus the ability to stay at melee or Range at will. While Attunement Swap on Eles is 15s CD and to be at 9s CD, we sarcrifice 30 pts (30 pts for 1sec less than other weapon swap seem like a “fair trade” to me) and we do not have the luxury to stay at range or melee at will. Once go with D/D, melee all the way.

“The fact that they do not have to use their brain”. Now that I called quite offended to all commited Eles community here. As much as thief, one can not simply create a Eles and Boom, become good at it.

And like I said bf, if u use all your stunbreak just because you are Immobolize is not a good idea. A good player will know what is the real ready for Burst and what is bait.That is what distinguish a good player and a bad player.

I play Thief myself and I do understand how hard they are to play. In fact, thief was my very first created to 80 but since I see many people QQ about thief, I predicted that thief will get constant nerf and that’s why I roll my Eles and get hooked by it.It seems history repeat itself again. Sign…

In the video you show, I thought you actually hit a Glass Cannon Spec player, turn out Alpha in COE I see it hit 23k on the robot in Fractal Harpie, only one though. Don’t know if it is the bug or my eye deceiving me.

Anyway, I use Glyph is I think they can survive a few hit, Water Elemental if most of the pt member is melee and I am using staff. GS if I am using D/D and assume that boss is safe to meelee.

Conjured Weapon is different with Engine Kits:

Engine Kits: You can swap in and out freely and they are not on CD on Swaping. Only skill being used will be on CD. Acts pretty much a free Weapon Swap.

Conjured Weapon: Only last for 1 mins and only have 15 charges. Be it 1 mins up or 15 charges has been used, they will disappear. And on the swap weapon, they will disappear forever. You can not summon another Conjured Weapon whilst it is on CD. And all the individual skill also have CD just like a normal weapon too.

I would like to see :

-Number of Player per team
-The choice of Map as well as Random Map Option
-The Choice of Mode (if we happened to have more Modes later)
-The Choice to make it private (password is required if u want to join in)

For Kick/Ban, I would not recommend it since people can exploit the feature.

kito.1827:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

kito.1827:

i remember someone (karl, J & J) who has mentioned somewhere (SotG) that in one patch (march 26th) there will be somewhat (boonhate) against something (bunker ele/guard)

im wandering why everybody – even the QQ community – forgot about it.
maybe we can get a dev reply on boonhate? (feels kind of dreaming away…)

Because Boon-hat for me personally has no priority and I think for A-Net too.
Second reason is because there are much bigger issues at the moment, as incentive, balance, custom-arenas, observ-mode, bigger tournaments etc. etc.

The list is endless….

i totally agree with the priority.
but don’t you think, if addressed right, boon hate could counter eles at least a little bit?
and eles are definitely an issue tbh

Boons hate would be a good way to counter Eles. I would prefer them to Boon-hate rather than nerf the Class, at least in that way, in PVE, the class won’t be affected much.

Eles is an issue to you? You are free to join in my class if you are willing to learn.

-How to catch up when behind? In every single loss I’ve been in, other team wins the opening engagement mid/other key location and proceed to just build on the point lead
Here is what you do. Normally, in every PVP map, they all have three points. In sPVP, the teams consist of 5 players each side. The objective is to capture and hold the point for as long as possible. If you see one point, they have so many players (3 out of 5 at the same point), then you know that the other two will be weak def (either 1/1 or 2/0), you can capture those two points. Assign one player to guard for each point and report any incoming attack. By doing so, you force the other team to split up or go for the other 2, that is your chance to capture back the point they are holding. Keep doing so and you can catch up pretty easy. Also, some PVP have a secondary objective, try to get those Objective done bf the other team and you will see your score close to them in no time.

-Zero communication.
Not just you but the same for everyone else when they join solo.There is no solution for that except you make a premade team with proper Voice Communication (Teamspeak, Mumble,Ventilo,etc…)

-How to damage bunker specs?
You can’t kill any Decent Bunker 1 on 1. On the other hand, they can not kill you either given you are not messed up at anytime. The best way is to call out for back up and with 2vs1, the win will on your favor. Another thing that you did wrong is holding a point while being a Zerker. Guarding point is Bunker Job, Zerker jobs is to join the fight and make sure the fight end in your favor.

Hope this help.

piperrak.8049:

they only require “some” melee and movement because classes like d/d ele still exist.

or do u think a trap hunter wishes to move at all? the biggest inbalance is at what rate of “skill” people get success.

Don’t know if this is the right way to interpret your post. What u means is Eles is not require much movement and can tank mobs all day long? If that is the case, you are deadly wrong. You can try to lv an Eles in PVE environment to confirm Eles surviability. If not, please simply ignore my post.

To whose who had whispered in game when I am online, I am sorry for did not reply back to you. I lost your name when I got dc. If you happened to read this, please send me a mail or try to contact me around the time you did contact me tmr and I would be more than happy to help you out:).

Thanks.

At the moment, in PVP, we only have Conquest mode, which the objective is Hodling point. By making opponent (Eles) to RtL away, won’t you just win the battle already? Why chasing him and have to kill him down? If it is for the Glory Point that concern you, since you already tag him, no matter who kill him, you still get the Glory Point. And with my experience playing in sPvP, chasing down any class alone is a very risky move. First, you leave your post open to opponent to re-capture,second you will be in trouble if that is a trap to kite you to his friend. Only chasing down when u are in a group, and even so, Eles can not get away because if your group is good, they will immobolize him.

Tip to stop RtL: Immobolize him, done.

Thanks for reading.

piperrak.8049:

i seriously dont care anymore as long one class remains which can stand its own and requires some melee and movement

Is there any class that you know who could not stand on its own and not requires some melee and movement? I have no idea such class exist.

It does come for free, because the important traits are too low in the traitlines, so you will have em.
Of course you can argue. what if i want to specc X/X/X/X/X but, thats not the case and thats with all professions.
If i specc defensive and want to run G/C i must not wonder if i wont kill anything….

U build with defensive Trait and you want to run G/C? Not sure what u are getting there? U mean G/C equipment with defensive Trait or vice versa? With that, you strike for balance build which can not be as tanky as Bunker, as burst as GC but rather a little of both. And even if you run this, it is wonder that you can not kill anything,not even a GC?

Stealth.9324:

As for being the same toughness as thief, I disagree, if that is the case, why Anet don’t make Thief wear Light Cloth but Medium????

THIEF: full GC traitpoints ( 25/30/0/0/15 )

Health 14095 (3290)
Vitality 1245 (329)

Armor 1980 (0)
Toughness 916 (0)

ELE: without traipoints spend

Health 14095 (3290)
Vitality 1245 (329)

Armor 1836 (0)
Toughness 916 (0)

You compare a Full GC thief with a no trait point spend Eles?How about make it simple that none of them is specced and none of them naked and compared the stats. It would be more accurate that way.

Stealth.9324:

You know that while Stun, you can’t use any Skill right?And with Rooted, you mean Immobolize or the Skill Entangle of Ranger? I believe any class can break away from Root, not just Eles.

I mean both, a stun is triggered by default ( again thief pov ) with BasiliskVenom.
I sometimes have DevourVenom in my util-line, and also you can root ele by attacking from stealth with SB#1, however you
normally do not do so because you try to backstab !

The Root, is a condition and thereby cleansed by attunement switch !
Which is huge, given the fact that i have to use a 45sec recast util ( devourvenom ) or stealth opener !

Ah not really, if u are a thief and using SB, simply press Inflitrator Arrow or Shadow Step to move away and Shadow Return, or simply using ur Hide In Shadow Kill, Roll for Innitiative,etc…. And the very first reason they try to root you is either prevent you from escaping or ready for big burst.By simply moving away, you mess up their location and mess up their combo

Stealth.9324:

Your dmg agains other low-heal / toughness targets is very good !, if you choose to go Berzerk, I think all other class will you harder than us EVER hit you.

Don’t get that sentence there ?
What I meant initially was, that the Dmg a bunker ele can push out, is enough to kill a zerker thief, if he does have his utils on CD !

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Bunker vs Zerker is the bad comparison. Bunker built for Survival which can endure a few burst while Berzerk is Burst or die. And ofc, the match only decided when one of you messed up,regardless in any class not just Eles. How about if Thief does not have his ults on CD, will he survive? I think yes. The problem I see here the Eles is smart to lure you to use all your ult bf downing you. You can also applied the same with Eles. The battle is the test of focus,mind,and skill, who can outmind the opponent, the person win.Again, for any class, not just Eles.

Cheer.

Archaon.6245:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

And once again, Mr Stealth goes on with his amazing argument of “Ur just bad”

Whilst Arhuendel believes Elementalists are low tier and awful.

Bravo.

I’m done here, I’ve made my point. D/D Elementalist need a nerf, badly, and I think most of the GW2 competitive populace that DON’T main Elementalists would agree.

Most of the GW2 competitive populace that DON’T main Elementalists already said eles are out of hand since moths ago, and also devs admitted it in sotg…and they nerfed quickness and totally ruined warriors….nothing more to say, already reinstalled age of empires 3 (lol) and having real fun with it…waiting for some decent balance and new game modes..

I find it kind of contradict here. People are complaining that Eles is so OP, Godly Mode, and yet they don;t main an Eles? And by most of the Gw2 competitive Populace, in your definition, I don’t think they are competitive at all because at High Tier PvPer, they tell otherwise. I have a team combined all 40+ PvPer and when I ask, they said Eles is Bad in sPvP. If you claim that is true, please provide ONE name that is a competitive player (20+) and I will ask directly that person.

Back in time, Eles used to be considered one of the UP class, but right now, it is being called Op, with no significant Buff and Constant nerf, I wonder what makes the difference?

Sorry, who just call me on PVP, please whisper me again. I get disconnected and lost your name. Cheer.

Since like forever Val, I don’t see Eles as OP but I guess it just me and you and other that do Understand Eles

Good evening Ladies and Gentlemans!!

My name is Kaane Moka,NA server (the Eles Char I use in game) now officially, open the class that will teach people how to counter an OP Eles. I am far from pro but I believe I am decent enough to understand how the class works and how to counter it. The class is open to anyone who has trouble dealing with Eles. All is welcomed. I am also up for any challenge, feel free to contact me in game or send me a message.

I am also looking for someone who can actually do Fliming to help on filming all the action fot the class. If anyone can help, it would be much appreciated.

P/S: Please no VIP (Very Inpolite Person), no Troll. If you are a good listener, open mind, willing to learn, feel free to contact me.

Cheer

The post will be used as if you need a class, let me know your char name and I will contact you when I am on. My time is Ocenian Timezone.

ahuba.6430:

this post just keeps getting better and better. now you say warriors are the front line of the battle? hooooly kitten man, you are just…

Where did you see me post that? And please be back to the topic .

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I guess I was right after all Stealth, all you do is say “l2p” when your opponents are faced with an obstacle you don’t have to deal with. I’m just going to bow out now and say “Good luck with the Nerf”

Thank you for leaving. I appreciate much that

Hm.. Sorry we are talking about PVP here

SniffyCube.6107:

Stealth.9324:

SniffyCube.6107:

Ah, my first PVP is Thief. And yes, it also a waste of time for me to talk to “a rock”, please leave then.

Guy opens a thread asking about opinions then tells anyone that doesn’t share his opinion to “leave” … and then calls others closed-minded… lol

Like I said, I don’t ask people who share opinion to leave, but at my very first post, I clearly say, if you are not being constructive or trolling, this is no place for you. Please read it carefully next time.

Oh sorry I didn’t realize being constructive meant I had to be in agreement with you.

Bye and enjoy your nerf maybe it’ll make you a better player

Did I say you have to agree with me? But please list for me how many post you do actually Constructive here?

Bye to you too and enjoy your record of Constantly defeating.

SmoothHussler.6387:

SniffyCube.6107:

Ah, my first PVP is Thief. And yes, it also a waste of time for me to talk to “a rock”, please leave then.

Guy opens a thread asking about opinions then tells anyone that doesn’t share his opinion to “leave” … and then calls others closed-minded… lol

“Guy” has no intention of facing the fact that there is a real reason most top players roll eles. “Guy” didnt open this thread to see what other people think. “Guy” only did it to have a pulpet to preach his ‘poor eles’ sermon.

“Guys” has no intention of learning or adapting,instead QQ, has no right to speak all of that.

SmoothHussler.6387:

Stealth.9324:

Thanks for the opinion, we are willing to go closer IF you decide to give us HEAVY ARMOR, 19K HEALTH POOL to Start with.

Poor thing. It must be rough. I mean, eles being so weak and all. Its not like they’re a frontline profession or anything right?

/sarcasm

Ha ha. I will take your sarcasm NOT seriously. I don’t think Anet intended ELes to be front line battle, if we do, WAR will no longer exist.. (No offence to all good War out there, I love you guys )

SniffyCube.6107:

Ah, my first PVP is Thief. And yes, it also a waste of time for me to talk to “a rock”, please leave then.

Guy opens a thread asking about opinions then tells anyone that doesn’t share his opinion to “leave” … and then calls others closed-minded… lol

Like I said, I don’t ask people who share opinion to leave, but at my very first post, I clearly say, if you are not being constructive or trolling, this is no place for you. Please read it carefully next time.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Kamata.5762:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Yes, everyone knows about attunements, except you apparently. When traited properly, Water becomes the supreme heal/condition removal (With some extra cleanse off of skills), Earth becomes protection/Condition/CC, Air becomes Crit damage/CC, and Fire becomes power/might/condition.

It’s all very wonderful.

Exactly. When you trait for it and use the right sigils, armor etc. That way you will lose your damage and be almost unkillable. That sounds kinda familiar… oh wait, every single bunker/healer build is like this!
Have you ever seen a mesmer using his mantras to heal? I have. He heals his team faster than an ele can BUT the mesmer loses all of his damage.
A shout warrior can heal even more than that, but loses all of his damage.
An ele can heal alot in bursts, but loses alot of his damage.

See where this is going?

Oh but waaaaaaait, Elementalist is the only class that DOESN’T lose all his damage from having so much healing power…

Could it be that’s why everyone on the planet thinks Ele is OP? Except Eles?

Not everyone on the Planet thinks Ele is Op, only you, and those who has no idea about the class or the class they are playing. You can confirm it by yourself. For 30 pts in Water, only “Give 2% extra Dam per boon” is the only trait that can give us Power. Even so, it require 5 boons to achieve 10% of what other class has it outright. Let me ask you a question “A bike and a Truck, both running at 40km/h, and they both hit you, which you think will hit harder?” 10% of 1300 power is no way as good as 10% of 3200 Power. Thank you.

SmoothHussler.6387:

Being an Eles, a class that has LOWEST Hp Pool as well as LOWEST Toughness, plus being FORCED into MELEE, how can we stand a chance with all other melee class?

I would tell you why people know it to be a fact that eles are the op masters of this game, but really after reading your opening I figure why bother. I mean, someone who brings up how eles have the ‘lowest toughness’ and ‘hp pool’ is beating a dead drum. As if we’re not aware that your healing, condition cleanse and dmg midigation is the best in the game – making that low toughness and health a non issue.

But the funniest (and saddest) part is where you mention melee (caps lock no less!).

300 is NOT melee. Roll a warrior. See what it is to have to be within 130 from your enemy and come back and tell me again how 300 is melee range.

lol

Thanks for the opinion, we are willing to go closer IF you decide to give us HEAVY ARMOR, 19K HEALTH POOL to Start with.

SniffyCube.6107:

there’s no use talking to this guy he’s desperate to defend (probably) the only spec and class he’s good at because it requires a low skill base

Ah, my first PVP is Thief. And yes, it also a waste of time for me to talk to “a rock”, please leave then.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Yes, everyone knows about attunements, except you apparently. When traited properly, Water becomes the supreme heal/condition removal (With some extra cleanse off of skills), Earth becomes protection/Condition/CC, Air becomes Mobility/Crit damage/CC, and Fire becomes power/might/condition.

It’s all very wonderful.

Also, my Necromancer would like to argue about the “Undieable 5 Guardian Team” “Unstoppable 5 Warrior team” and “Unseenable 5 Thief team”. I can easily stomp all of those types of teams, Rangers provide slight challenge but only if they’re all trap rangers, which is another overly-strong build… however Elementalists are the only true unkillables.

“When traited properly”. Thank you, now I admit you do have something in your head.

“Water becomes the supreme heal/condition removal (With some extra cleanse off of skills), Earth becomes protection/Condition/CC, Air becomes Mobility/Crit damage/CC, and Fire becomes power/might/condition.” and Sorry we can only pick one. We only have 70 pts after all not 90 pts… For Fire to become Like you said, it take 30 pts in Fire, For Water would be the same and the same applied to Earth…

SniffyCube.6107:

so unkillable is okay with you?

With 5 Eles or with 1 Eles himself, which you are prefering. And yes if u talk about Unkiilable with 5 Eles, the same go for War (they kill you bf you kill them)=Unkillable, for Guard (You will never kill them), for Ranger (they will kill you from Range bf you even come close),and so on…

SniffyCube.6107:

sadly I played against a premade of 5 bunker eles… it made me want to quit this game

in the ctf map (which started as the leaderboards came out) all the ele would have to do is rtl blink pick the orb up before one of us was at it, his buddies would sit next to him aoe healing and wiping off conditions and he’d just rtl and blink to cap the orb… worse yet is when you see one of these or a pack of these roaming in wvw where they come out of nowhere blinking with their earth 5 get about 25 stacks of bleed before you know what hit you and run away whenever they want to – but back to spvp… I’ve seen what you guys are talking about where a good ele is unkillable and it’s sad that people defend this class even if most of them just button mash and target the ground immediately in front of them with no idea what they’re doing… if a player like that can survive then we have a problem

You do realize that you are talking about a premade 5 Eles right? It is the same to say, unstopable for a 5 War Team, uncatchable for a 5 Ranger Team, Unseenable for a 5 Thief team, Undieable for a 5 Guard Team, and the list go on….

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

I don’t get why ppl still considering i-leap / blurred / shatter as a good combo. It’s the easiest and most obvious burst. Even bad eles dodge it because of vigor and energy-sigil. If a ele has at least some knowledge of his own class and of the core mechanics of mesmers, it’s impossible to die.

Thank you. All I neeed is " If a ele has at least some knowledge of his own class and of the core mechanics of mesmers, it’s impossible to die.", yet some people refuse to learn.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Water.

Air.

Fire.

Earth.

That’s pretty much all I need to list, everything the Elementalist needs is within those schools. By the way, how long do you think the cooldown on Corrupt Boons is? Mesmer boonstrip? You reapply boons faster than we can strip them. Unless you dump all of your boons at once, in which case lol

As for the build, pretty much any basic hybrid Condition/Power Elementalist build will do. The glassiest Elementalist I’ve ever seen could heal himself fully and get away before anything bad happened to him. At the very least.

Hm.. Don’t know if u are trying to be not to smart or you actually not to smart, I was asking you list 5 at least Condition Cleanser on Berserker Build and you list all our Attunment which I think everyone know about….

lvis.3824:

Stealth.9324:

Being an Eles, a class that has LOWEST Hp Pool as well as LOWEST Toughness, plus being FORCED into MELEE, how can we stand a chance with all other melee class?We have no Stealth Ability like Thief, No Tanky as Guard or War, No making clone ability as Mesmer, No KB control as Engineer, No Pet protection as Ranger,No Second Health Pool as Necro,so again, how do we survive?

Coming from a thiefplayer:

- You have same health + toughness as Thief
- You have mind. 400 range, melee is something else

- You have protection for very long if traited correct
- You have perma vigor for perma dodge if traited correct
- You have blind + knockback
- You have condition removal without having to think about that if traited correct
- You have very nice heals
- You have great mobility
- You have chilled !!!!
- Your dmg agains other low-heal / toughness targets is very good !

Overall you have to much boons / mechanics you don’t have to think about.

I had very nice duels yesterday against some elementalists.
One lasted the whole time and noone was able to kill the other.

One thing i noticed there, and i already state that.
Ele has to much boons which come without using any util / weapon, its “just” changing attunements.
And thats stupid.

You have a condition on you, fine decide when to remove it-
You are stunned / rooted – fine think if you need to break it and use an ability for it.

As an ele you can do way to many mistakes and are still powerfull, and if someone can play
really well, this profession gives more then any other in the game !

Thanks for being constructive. As you said all above, you are correct with we can have them IF TRAITED Correctly. It all does not come for free, to be able to do that, we forced to be in Bunker. And please don’t tell me BUNKER can KIll you Thief. That will make my Thief heart broken.

As for being the same toughness as thief, I disagree, if that is the case, why Anet don’t make Thief wear Light Cloth but Medium????

You know that while Stun, you can’t use any Skill right?And with Rooted, you mean Immobolize or the Skill Entangle of Ranger? I believe any class can break away from Root, not just Eles.

Your dmg agains other low-heal / toughness targets is very good !, if you choose to go Berzerk, I think all other class will you harder than us EVER hit you.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Mijo, did you know that Elementalists have condition removal? Like alot of it. Did you also know that they don’t stack incredible quantities of boons like Guardians? Did you also know that they can reapply boons as fast as they lose them?

Haha it was funny, I actually thought of that… corrupting boons… what a novel idea.

Of course I could just reverse that idea and say “Silly Elementalist, maybe you should l2p and not rely on so many boons.”

Also, I’m rather positive that the main topic was “Why people think Eles is OP” if I remember correctly, not “Tell everyone else to l2p rather than disprove or debate ideas you so blatantly call ignorant”

By the way, I was just curious, if Elementalist is so bad, then maybe you guys can explain to me why every match I ever play has atleast 1, or 4.

Ah hem. I was a bit over the top. After taking a shower, I am now calmed. Before we go any further, please list to me all the Condition Cleanser that Eles has. Please name at least 5 ways to obtain that with Berzerker Build, again Berzerk Build only.

“Did you also know that they can reapply boons as fast as they lose them?” Please enlight me how to that with 15s CD switching Attument and no point in Arcana.

The main topic here “Why Eles is Op”, correct, but it is created to understand people with reason. For those who claim thing that is UNTRUE,or COMPLETE LIE,like you, we can’t discuss anything with someone who is cluecless about the class or game.

“By the way, I was just curious, if Elementalist is so bad, then maybe you guys can explain to me why every match I ever play has atleast 1, or 4.”, Same I will ask you, If Necro is so bad, why I see Necro in every match, applied to all other class. You know that Queue for sPvP is random matching, (except for premade), the only way you won’t see Eles in every match is to request Eles to be removed COMPLETLY from the game.

Cheer.

And according to someone who HAS No idea what he is talking about, Eles is OP. Fanstatic…..

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Why would I ever want to use something that isn’t overpowered when there is the one go-to beat-all build for Elementalist?

You make no sense, bro.

Make no sense to you, yes I agree because you refuse to accept the fact and with your Eles is op this, Eles is Op that. Only when you are open minded, you will understand.

Thanks

P/S: Any person with a half brain would understand what I means.

Cheer.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

And once again, Mr Stealth goes on with his amazing argument of “Ur just bad”

Whilst Arhuendel believes Elementalists are low tier and awful.

Bravo.

I’m done here, I’ve made my point. D/D Elementalist need a nerf, badly, and I think most of the GW2 competitive populace that DON’T main Elementalists would agree.

Wonderful, thanks you for that. I would rather talk to someone who is listening rather than some QQ who have no idea. Again, Wonderful Leaving.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Armor of Earth. Mist Form. Constant Regen. Constant Healing. Constant Cleanses. Loads of stun breakers. A bunch of escapes.

How many times have I had to repeat this? ^^^ All of that can be on any build of varying degrees. A full beserk Elementalist can survive for a hell of a lot longer than any of my Necromancers can. Have you ever tried to get a decent condition burst on a good D/D Ele? But of course you’re going to go “ur exaggerating ur just bad” or something along those lines, as all overly defensive Elementalists do.

Tell you what, go into any tPvP match, fight any team focused around 2 or more Elementalists and Guardians, WATCH THE MAGIC as you try to kill any of them. Then ask them for their build.

Elementalists are widely accepted as god tier for a kitten good reason.

Saying that means you know nothing about Eles. Sorry to have Cantrips Constant give you Regeneration, they have at least 20 in Water. (One for Cleansing Wave and one for Smoothing Mist).Does it sound familiar to you? And Constant Cleanes, if they want to achieve that, they need to put 30 In Water. So now you know what Build Now?? A bunchs of Escape, please list all what you know?

Again, how many times do I have to repeat myself???

“Have you ever tried to get a decent condition burst on a good D/D Ele” yes I did, try Signet Build (20/0/30/10/10) pls bf you speak. And please tell me how it is going for you in sPVP.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Those aren’t lies, all of those things are achievable with build specification, and some are achievable at the same time through hybrids.

It’s hilarious, all I see are Elementalist mainers savagely defending their class from any form of criticism or belief of unbalance… it’s like they’re expecting a inevitable highly necessary nerf of some sort…

Please don’t start a flame here. As long as some certain ones out there KNOW what he is doing, or NOT constantly Crying for Nerf, just Because he is NOT WILLING TO learn how to play, we are not here to waste our time to defend the fact.

kurtdg.2370:

Stealth.9324:

I agree that Eles is in a Good Place but No Where is OP like most people complaining.

@ahuba:
-Best pblank AOE Dam : No comment on this because I think the roles of Eles that Anet want is to soften a number of Mobs for the pt to kill and plus I don’t know any other class that has AOE as many as Eles does. But, since that is our roles and Anet does not give us so many Option for Solo Skil, so we have no choice but to adapt it. The action Anet should be taken is to give other class some AOE, not Nerf AOE dams.

-Best Boons Sharing: Anet has designed Eles to be as Support Role. What else can we do as Support role with no Boon Sharing? And I think Engineer is better on this than us. Except Fury, Might, all of other boons, I believe is not useful in Melee Combat. And yes we need Vigor, Renegeration, Protection because we are LOWEST HP pool AND LOWEST Armor among all

-Best AOE Condition Cleaning: I belive only Water 5 in Dagger, and Water 5 in Staff that ACTUALLY AOE condition Cleaning, and by switching Attunement. Even so, Staff is not as good as Dagger in sPVP. That’s why people play D/D. Cleansing Flame and other Trait only applied to ELES himself. And Yes we do Need Conditon Cleaning because we have the LOWEST HP pool among all. Without it, we are DEAD.

-Best AOE party healing: Most of Eles that spec into 30 in Water which give +300 Healing power, that is why we heal so much. Read of my post about Healing to understand why. And Anet makes Eles as support role, think Eles like Healer in other MMO.

-2nd Best Holding Point: Sorry, I disagree with u on this. On my top list, Guard, and Engineer can do this job Better than ANYBODY. To Hold a Point, you need to stay inside the circle and knock opponent out of Circle, so what do we have? UPDRAFT? That’s it, only Updraft.. While Guard with their Shield Buble knock u down and give no access to the circle, Engine with all the Turret that Immbolize and guarding the Area, Shield 4. So on this matter, Guard and Engineer is the best candidates.

-Best 1vs1 Class: Again, most Eles spec for Bunker which is 0/10/0/30/30. And Bunker means to Survive more than 1+ enemy at anytime given. However, downside is, their Dams is so kitten. And by Kitten, I mean Really Kitten.If u are defeated by an Eles on 1vs1, either he is not Bunker Build or he is a very skill player. Rewarding for being Skillfully play which I find is fair enough. And I think Mesmer is Way Better than us on this matter.

-Mobility: I say Good, not Best. Reason why?Please read my post. Just a kind Reminder, with Lowest Health Pool and Lowest Armor and being Forced to Meelee, how else we can survive except mobility? Even then, all we have is RtL. Why RtL is Good but not Godly, pls read my post again. I am all ear if you have any new Suggestion on that matter.

-Good cd? You mean Crowd Control? Right, all we have is Updraft and Earthquake, what else do we have which you can think of, pls tell?

-Highest Room for Error in any class: Again, most Eles is Bunker Build, Bunker is what I understand you know. I believe EVERY class can do the same IF they spec as Bunker.

And Yes, I see all the patter you given and all of that I have explained on my post………

Yep, thats why ele’s are really, really good. Good summary all in all. Only thing you forgot that I can think of is that they stack. Another best at

Team play ele’s are phenomenal. 1v1 you can’t kill a good ele, they won’t let you. Good, OP….whatever, they are definately a top tier class by a far margin.

Sorry, DID you actually read my post at all? And what stack are we talking about here?Boons or all the Ability they have which I listed?

1vs1, you can not kill a Good Eles because we are BUNKER,most of us. If you can kill a Bunker in 1vs1 Duel, Congratulation, you are better than most people playing Guild War 2 here,or should I say Hail to the King. Let ask a friend of yours play Berserk Eles (who he is experience with Eles) and play 30/30/0/10/0 and then, let me know.

If you have no further constructive idea to contribute rather than that close-mind of your or whatever, please leave as I said in the first post.

Cheer.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Firstly, I was never crying for Thief or Engineer to be nerfed, only Elementalist. Infact, I was defending Engineer, I only ask that Stealth be nerfed, but the other capabilities of Thief to be buffed to allow for a much more broader range of builds/uses shine through.

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Now onto Stealth’s post: I meant tougher as in “More survivable” not actual toughness. Also, if you think Death Shroud brings as much survivability to the table as an Elementalist or Guardian, then I think YOU need to make a Necromancer and play it in PvP.

I for one have used both staff support, and different variations of D/D Ele. I find it highly OP. Granted it has a somewhat high learning curve, it’s still incredibly powerful for what it brings to the table. Also, Necromancers cannot cleanse conditions on teammates with ease. Plague signet is painful to use, and has a high cooldown. Putrid Mark requires your teammates to be standing inside of the circle, but is the only strong support removal we truly have. If you’re going to try and make Necromancers sound better than Elementalists, I’m just going to laugh at you from here on out.

Now, from there on out all your arguments degrade into “Nou” and “ur just bad” to fiercely defend your OP class. I have seen what I have seen, and I have seen Elementalists do kitten things.

Oh hey, please read my explain post and tell me why we can have more Survive than your what so called- Toughest Build Necro with 10k health, no Toughness Point and no Second Health Bar.

And Yes, I am playing around with my Necro atm.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Those aren’t lies, all of those things are achievable with build specification, and some are achievable at the same time through hybrids.

Please show me how, no need to Picture or anything. Just say what build you are and explain why it can HAVE ALL OF that.

“Kill most other profession EXTREMLY easy”.With Eles?? This is gonna haunt me laughing all day and night xD. Do you even have a slightest idea of what ur sentence means?Make one Eles and try to kill any decent player to see for yourself pls.

Most Eles use Water tree is because Fire and Earth trait are just so crappy compare to Water,Arcana and Air. It is not a bad sign,more like we need more viable build.I wish I don’t have to force myself in the popular bunker build ATM.

If u are salvages any item under Masterwork rarity,I believe u only need to click on salvage kit one and the rest is just click on the item u want salvage.For all item masterwork,I chuck them in mystic forge for Rare,Rare for sale,Exotic from Fractal used for Salvage to get ectos

Archaon.6245:

Stealth.9324:

If they don’t dodge the leap,they will eat a full dam of Blurred Frenzy coming up,full dams Frenzy take like 1/3 of our Health to say the least. And if they use stun break,congratulation,he just have 1 less survival in his disposal tool

so 2 more ready up…not that bad considering you also have a whole bar of low cd healing/survival skills, kd, cc, a kittenload of protective boons and so on…you used one stunbreak you poor ele, how can you fight with just everything else considering that if you used a stunbreak it means that your opponent wasted something too, and probably more than you? And maybe he doesn’t have 20 weapons skills…just saying…

Talking about tpvp eles obviously, i don’t consider those straight from hot join who blow a mistform if you just run towards them…lol…they’re just free kills for pretty much everyone, except, maybe, a warrior…

Ah no,sorry we don’t have low Cd of everything.Cleansing Wave Cd is 35s CD and 32s CD if traited. All the cantrip is long CD too,mist form like 60s and armor of earth is 90s.Flash is on 36 s but honestly,what Flash does for you???Blurred Frenzy on Mesmer I believe it is like 15s CD,more or less.Do u see the huge difference.Maybe all other class don’t have 20 weapon skill but they can choose to stay at range or melee at will every 10s. Eles never have that choice,once u use D/D,u are forced to meele until dead.And they share Global cool down 0.5 s bf we can switch attunment as well as it takes 9s to gain access to the attunement we switch out for.During that interval,we are locked out all the skill on that attunment.

I don’t know but base on all ur opinion so far regarding Eles, it is safe for me to assume you NEVER play an Eles,not against . My advice is to roll one and understand the mechanic of the class.I am Kaane Moka in game,if you need some training,I will gladly to help,given u are good listener,open mind,and no more Elea is Op this,Op that.

cheer

If they don’t dodge the leap,they will eat a full dam of Blurred Frenzy coming up,full dams Frenzy take like 1/3 of our Health to say the least. And if they use stun break,congratulation,he just have 1 less survival in his disposal tool