Guild Wars 2

More like, I would like to see leader board reset either weekly or monthly.

Authority.6145:

Stealth.9324:

Why do I sense a bit of sacarsm humor here LolL.

I wouldn’t know anything about sarcasm.

They are “busy” try to log in. That is where I find it funny. Anyway, bump up to op.

I understand your frustrating with Ranger, KarlaGrey but is it player fault for your frustrating? I don’t think so, it’s not like it can be helped. So why treat other Ramgers disrespectfully as if it is their faults just because you can’t stand the class? It is like, “Hey, I am richer than you,so I can treat you like trash.” Not a good way at all, whether in real life or in game.

Next upcoming nerf: Ranger and Thief.. Note, this is simple my fortune in the next patch based on other people complaining. Me, personally play these two classes. They are not Op in my opinion. I can defeat a BM Ranger with my Phantasm Berserk Build or come very close the good one, same with thief.

I agree with you Mina. Kudos to you and shame on those who too lazy to learn for the self. They don’t know that they are on their way to destroy GW2 for making it unfun to competitive player. Trying to knock some sense in these people is harder than go to heaven. Anet also is at fault. They decide to listen to those QQers instead of true player. They choose to simply nerf one class down instead of buff all others class to be on equal terms.That seems a lazy work to me. They must know that those QQer is the main factor that destroy the game and the competitive players is the core. The game live or die decided by these competitive players,, not those QQer.

My experience before the nerf is I can holding a point against 3 other class in at least a minute before I am downed.Now,test it the same with my friend,take them like 10sec to down me and I am not even have time to heal.I am talking about our defense, not our health or healing power or mobility.At this point,I am positive that our Defense has been messed up somehow..

Based on what Anet done in the past with some ninja nerf here and there, I would not surprised. Can any pro players confirm this pls?

I see, guess I have not duel that many zerker Guardian in tPvP. Plus they can fight in the middle of the group too. Thanks for the information.

Tonight, I tried to PVP as an Eles after the nerf. What I notice clearly is that my health drop way too fast now. Same Setup, same runes, same Trait, Guardian Whirlwind Wrath take me down to 1/4 of my health by its skill alone. Before the nerf, I can stand still and get hit and the health not drop that fast (50% at the most)?That Guardian is not Berserk trait for sure because he heal from 10% to 90% with just the signet. Is it just me or there is some Ninja Nerf that we are not wary about?

I will sign up for my Eles. Name Kaane Moka. Server NA. 10 am usually my working hour. Would be great if the tournament being held around 2pm. But let me know what days for Saturday, I will see if I can ask for a day off that day. Cheer

10am Australia time zone? What stat are you according to. I am in Victoria, maybe 1hours different due to Day Saver.

Else is always mortal, always in the past,trash at the moment, maybe mortal in the future…

I am downloading Neverwinter right now.It is open beta. Meanwhile, I am killing my time with my War….By bye my dear Eles.

SwickHobo.5096:

Stealth.9324:

snip*

In your example the warrior uses his “uber 1337” skills to dodge RtL, and Burning speed, and yet the ele cant dodge crippling shot or riffle butt. Already a fail example. Also the time it takes to regen a dodge is 10 seconds with no vigor. He’d eat the Churning earth in that instance especially if u used it right after mag grasp like you should in that situation.

Secondly in your own example ring of earth hits but doesn’t cripple him? You also Immob. and knocked him down. And yet u still allowed him to gain a range advantage again? O but he Whirlwinded and rushed away, but he was crippled so i guess he only got 600 range. What a shame…. Churning earth also cripples too. You also never dodged once, which is one of the best ways to close a gap (sadly) as it moves you much faster then walking/straffing especially if your crippled/chill.

You could also ignore the whole play by play by using lightning flash at the start instead of Rtl. God forbid you have to waste a 37 second CD to actually do something. Or maybe change your starting rotation. You don’t have to open with RtL like every scrubby ele thinks.

Besides the fact that example is incredible one sided and pointless, theres still no proof that RtL being dodged will put in on a full CD. The devs stated in the SotG that if it was blocked/invulned it wouldn’t go on a full Cd so who knows about a dodge.

Also refering to conjures in general. GS/Ice bow/Lava axe ect. All were made to give versatility to a class pigeonholed into a 1 wep set. They aren’t great atm but hopefully will be soon, and that’ll also negate your entire arguement, which is already quite bad as the ele in your example is trash.

While I agree with you that Eles can dodge Cripple Shot and Riffle But. Compare to Burning Speed and RtL animation, Cripple Shot is harder to predict, Riffle But is dodge able though. For CE, even if he have no dodge. How about a Blind Shot? Blind also cause CE to miss or Endure pain which will prevent direct dam from him and Shake it Off to get off the Bleed condition

Ring of Earth casting after he eat Magnetic Grasp though. If he want to gain range advantage, why not use Shake It off or Healing that remove 2 conditions bf using Rush and Whirlwind Blade. If I put ultities into account, things will become much more complicated.

If they use the Lightflash to approach, sure they still have RtL there. On the downside though, he can not use CE with Lightning flash combo. War can either save the dodge to dodge CE or simply get out of CE Circle because he know Lightning Flash has been used.

Yeah I know he did not mention about the Dodge, I still get prepare for a worst sceneario. But guess I will wait for one more day to make any more Comment.

All the Conjure Weapon, I am talking about Mobility here, only GS give you. So I don’t mention any other Conjure weapon.

Oh please tell me what part of my post you think it is funny. Don’t say in general, pointing out pls.

Oh I am no troll. But keep saying to yourself that anyway. For me, it it also a waste of time to explain myself.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

What if ppl would stop comparing skill with rank / leaderboard-ranking?
Oh wait . . .

That would be a good idea. Then a real fight and challenge is the way to show who is better fighter.

Let me draw out a situation for you to understand. You say, one skill of yours equivalent to 20% ok, now it would be fair if we miss one skill we wasted 5% of our skill.

1vs1 Eles using Dagger and Warrior using Snife GS.

First, War spot Eles. He use his Auto attack to get 1 hit in. Eles realize he getting hit, and he spot War near. Eles uses RtL to approach him. (5%) while War (0%). War see RtL coming and he is good, he dodge backward (0% skill wasted), Eles miss (5% wasted and put on 40s CD). Since War is so far away, Eles can not use Lightning Lash to attack. So Eles change to Fire (RtL wasted and on 40s CD, 5%, and put Air Attunement on 10s CD). Meanwhile War still get some free shot at Eles ( 0% wasted). Eles use Burning Foot to approach again (10% wasted, RtL and Burning Foot). War is good that he predict the skill coming, he dodge backward (0% wasted and 2 dodge being used). Eles still can not hit the War due to the range of Claw was too short. More Free shot for War. So far Eles has used 10% of his total skill (RtL and Burning Foot), put Air on 10s CD while dealing no kitteno War. War used 0% of his skill in total and 2 dodge and some free hit on Eles.

Then Eles switch to Earth (put Fire on 10s CD and Air right now say, 5s CD still), using Magnetic Grasp with the pray that please hit him (15% skill wasted and still no dam). War getting hit and being immobolize (0% skill Wasted, while waiting for endurance to refill). Eles approach with Magnetic Grasp and hit War with dams. (15% of total skill being used, Fire and Air put on 10s CD and the result is tinny bit Dam from Magenic Grasp). Eles proceed with Ring of Earth and War get hit and apply Bleeding, then Earth Quake to KD War and Cast CE like normal (in total of 30% skill). War oh no, I am being KD, and his endurance has been refill for at least another dodge. He dodge the CE at the very last second (2.5s when Eles start to cast) cause CE to miss. Eles best burst skill has been missed just like that.

OK War decided to still keep distance with Eles because he know Eles has no more Mobility skill (RtL is on 40s CD, Eles can not switch to Fire due to Fire still in CD), so he start with Cripple Shot. Eles being cripped and start slowing down. Now Eles has two choice, either use Cantrip to clear condition or Tune to Water to clear condition. Eles decide to go to Water (Put Earth on CD while Air is off CD). Then Eles go to Air but because RtL is still on CD and with Switfness from Arcane, he is barely able to catch up to War and War decide to change to GS and use Rush and Whirlwind Blade to keep a distance. Then he switch back to Snifle and keep getting free shot at Eles, not to mention all other skill with Snifle and Aimshot. Eles approach too close, ok here go Snifle 5 to knock Eles back and hey Cripple him, and keep getting free shot hit.

In short, that is what happened. Please tell me if anything in this sencario that I overlooking and that you can not pull off in real fight?So how many skill Eles has to be wasted to be able to hit War just once and not even stratching his armor a bit? (15%) + Free shot from War compare to your 20% skill wasted, I would take over 20% skill wasted + Free shot hit anytime.

Conjure GS, I believe that is what you are talking about. It take 2s to Cast and can not cast while Moving. The only reason Eles pull of the GS like you said is to run away which means Eles already out of option and that is the last resort. But being stay still while low health, any class can finish Eles in just 2s and there you go, Eles never get a chance to get away.

Copenhagen.7015:

Wish my Necros Spectral Walk was on a 40 second CD. Which also takes up a utility slot. I’d be more worried about Thief stealing your boons.

Oh and that too. Put it in short, RtL change, Signet Healing reduce, Unable to Heal while in Mistform, plus Boon Hate Mechanic being presented. All of this combine together, is it overwhelming to one specific props? That’s what make Eles on edge right now.

SwickHobo.5096:

This is just another whine thread in disguise. You have 20 skills, why should it be identical to rush or swoop when we only have 10? We’re giving up a lot more for that one mobility skill then you are.

Again, I did say don’t mention about 20 skills or not. Don’t you agree with me that RtL, Rush and Whoosh has the same functioning? Simply want to see what will happen by then. And yeah you only have 10 skill but you can swap between Range and Melee at will, while Eles is either stuck in Range or Melee forever. So even before Eles aware of your existance, you already got some free hit at him already. And just to approach you, he need to use 1 of his skill already. Before you guys take any Dams, you got Free Hits and 1 skill Wasted on Eles side.

stof.9341:

Stealth.9324:

Warrior can not use heal while in Endure Pain state.

And all other moving skill that has the similar effect or give invulnerable or no dams apply the same change.

You are aware you can interrupt a warrior healing in Endure Pain state. You can apply conditions like Cripple or Immobilize. You can stun him. You can apply more damaging conditions on him.

I do aware of that. Warrior don’t have any Healing that take 3 1/2s to cast though.

tarcheg.4872:

What if you take 99% of your time whining on this forum and put it playing ig trying to improve since, when I look at your rating, that should be your first priority:

45% Stealth.9324 Kaane Moka 62 70 46.97% Fort Aspenwood

Just saying – I think pretty much everyone here is sick of your ele qq…

Oh hey, Good Lord. Nice finding me. You should teach me how to do that sometimes. I need to find some evidence for some specific persons who claims to be a Pro, want to see if they truly are or just lying. Oh yeah, too bad that was the score after I was losing 5 match in a row due to leaver and afker,problem also with match matching system. So the score is just show a part of it, not all of it and I am fine if you guys use it as a measurement to guage my skill. Don’t mean much to me.

Not everyone here, I believe, only Tr**** is sick of it though. And I also sick of some mindless people out there too. So what is your point?

And this is not a QQ thread. LOL, please don’t force your brain to see every thread from me is a QQ thread. That poor mind of yours need a break. This post just simply a fun way to predict the future. No more no Less. And I already said that too in my Warning.

Vuh.1328:

Stealth.9324:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/An-open-challenge-for-all-who-dare/first#post1912683

For those “pro” player out there that think Eles still be fine afte this patch,please head in there and accept the challenge proudly. Don’t be such a p**** cat that all talk. Action speak louder than words.

This is a sPvP forum section and that is a wvwvw challange

The change will affect both WvW and PvP. If the change is only affected PvP, then I don’t think we Eles would be in chaos right now. Too bad that is not the case. So I don’t think that make any difference at all. Is WvW not a bigger scale of PVP regardless?

PistolWraith.6732:

Go play warrior and figure it out yourself. Usually RTL needs to be dodged, rush will miss on its own anyways.

I do play Warrior, did I said so already in my post? Please read carefully before answer pls. Don’t be so hasty.

xiv.7136:

Also what if all shouts broke stuns, removed a condition and applied regeneration and vigor, and shieldstance/endurepain prevented condition damage, and mending removed all conditions, and dodging turned you into optimus prime

Sorry, please read my post carefully. In here I only discuss about Mobility skill like Rush, and I already said so in my Warning.

milo.6942:

OK. Sounds good. Now make rush ignore cripple & chill.

I am completely fine with that or the other way around, make the RtL affected by Cripple and Chill. And what happen everyone will be in Joy. No more sadness, madness, chaos.

Jonwar.9205:

The only logical conclusion I can draw from stealth’s posts is that he is trolling. Best not to feed him.

No need. I can feed on my own. Thanks for the warning.

CutePicsHunter.7430:

Stealth.9324:

2s Stun from Earthquake. Oh dear, are we even playing the same class in the same game? Earthquake does KD, my ignorant Dinosaur, unless you think stuns and KD is the same which is..laughable at your game mechanic. With stun, you Can Not do anything, with KD you can still Teleport away and get back up right away. Too bad you don’t know this. You are too full of yourself.

Lol’d. Nice try. I knew that you will say something like this.

Stealth.9324:

Kite Eles and you already got a free hit…Guess kite is so hard to you after all.

Wait wha… Oh, now i understand. KITE ELES HE SAID.

Stealth.9324:

Op Long bow,well I would not call it Op though.

If you’re fighting for point, i have a bad news for you: warrior have no any adequate bunker build which can compare to guardian, ele, engi, etc. If you’re going to say that condition war deals too much dmg against your ele even with cleansing water and cleansing waves on dodge then, i think, we don’t need to talk anymore.

In conclusion… I’m not even surprised that now you’re nitpicking.

Don’t tell me you can not kite a Melee class?Sure we have RtL,sure we have burning foot and Mganetic grasp, only RtL has 1200 range and all the other has the range of 600.And most of the range weapon out there can shoot at 1200 range. Sure to approach you, Eles will need to use all mobility skill. Don’t tell me you can’t get some free hit on him while he doing this?And the shortest CD is 8s on Burning foot or Magnetic grasp (not so sure though),once he use all his mobile skill, he is your target shooting for the next 8s. What stop you from doing so?

I never said Wariior can holding point. What I aim is War can force a burker to out of the point and capture it, same with all bubble and KB from Engine and guardian.Sure I can run back and capture the point but that means putting me on the high rush condition field.They will neutralise the point eventually. Please use your thinking a bit more.

My conclusion is I am just wasting my time to explain to someone who does not even think a bit what others say. Then why I bother.

Here is a little fun thing to enjoy. I will make a scenario “what if…” and those who want to play will tell “what happen”. Here go

Scenario 1: What if one day Anet apply these change:

Warrior Rush skill 20s CD on hit and 40s CD on miss.
Ranger Whoosh skill 20s CD on hit and 40s CD on miss.
Warrior can not use heal while in Endure Pain state.

And all other moving skill that has the similar effect or give invulnerable or no dams apply the same change.

So what you guys think will happen. Discuss.

Warning: Those example not to sim for ranger or warrior,they simply just an example since I happen to play the class, so I know the skill. Also,some may mistake me for being bitter against RtL change and some may say Eles deserves it because they can heal,dps, etc…But no in this scenario, we don’t discuss about those, I simply want to focus on the scenario.

Now let your imagination go wild and fortune the future.

Cheer.

garethh.3518:

@Stealth.9324

No need to troll.
Everything he stated was a relatively valid point.
Every elementalist goes 30 arcane so has a 9~s CD on attunement swap because its a fantastic trait line.
Being ‘stuck’ in d/d isn’t a really terrible deal when the set innately gives you 3 gap closers, pretty constant swiftness, 3~ great hard CCs, frost armor and self healing… to boot you get extremely good cleansing from traits and cantrips while the majority of fights are on objectives.

Warriors aren’t even comparable to elementalists atm.
Completely opposite sides of the spectrum when it comes to balance.

If you are seriously talking about the longbow adrenaline skill like the burn is something that draws notable dps… that burn on a class that can’t spec for condition dmg and only applies 2s worth every 2s for 6~… pray to god you never fight a decent condi ranger.

Sorry, I am not trolling. Dont call people troll when they are being serious.I am being sarcasm with him while pointing out his mistakes. Yes right, being forced to use D/D is not a bad deal. Sorry, while I agree with you but not all of us enjoy playing D/D. I do enjoy D/D but i want variety. Dont tell me you dont sick of seeing D/D eles everyday in PvP? Is it not the very reason the class being called Op just because everyone using D/D??When I tried different set, they were so suck compare to other.

I never said anything about Longbow being noble Dps whatsoever. YOU can stop put your thinking in my line. You can’t denied Longbow is the best set out there to apply condition. And condition ignore armor and toughness. What else has?Lowest health pool among all class. Condition eat us alive if we don’t pay attention to what conditions on us.

I also pray to GoD you never see a decent Warrior Longbow or duel one.

You buff things so it become as good as other, give more options to player. I never asked for over buff though but even in the case one thing being over buff, you can still bring it down a bit and people will understand it because it was the buff in the beginning. Just like how Mesmer used to get stack of might from shatter due to overbuff, when they decide to fix it, people not complain much, did they not? Unlike that, Anet nerf things which has been there in the very beginning without giving any buff out, not a lot compare to how they nerf thing.

Daecollo.9578:

You probably have a chart of what traits/weapons/utilities people do not use. There is a good reason they do not as well.

Can you please buff things people do not use?

Agree instead of constant nerf. Buff make thing more competitive and more fun, more viable build, more option, happy player, more player, more asset. I don’t know why Anet does not know this very simple thing.

In 1on1 duel, I agree with you. In WvW or tPvP, I disagree, in those situation, it is war. You fight to win not to maintain your honor and cost your team for that. It is kind of selfish since you rely on other person either to Rez you or try harder just because you die for your ego. This is just a friendly post.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/An-open-challenge-for-all-who-dare/first#post1912683

For those “pro” player out there that think Eles still be fine afte this patch,please head in there and accept the challenge proudly. Don’t be such a p**** cat that all talk. Action speak louder than words.

Nice.Bump this one for you. I would need to ask you a favour when Spectator mode live. My name is Kaane Moka in NA region. Send me a mail through game and we can discuss about my casting with your help. Cheer

CutePicsHunter.7430:

Stealth.9324:

RtL 20s on hit and 40s with no hit,way over the top. How about Rush in Warrior (20s CD and 1200 Range), Whirwind Blade (8s CD 600 Range).

I lol’d. Now try to count how much spells do you have with attunement swap.
20 spells with possibility to swap whenether you want (excluding recently changed attune) against 10 spells (5+5) with 10(or 5 with trait) seconds cd.
Dagger in offhand also gives you 2 seconds AOE stun and 1 sec evade+blowout.
You still want to compare ele and warrior, my dear rabbit?

Stealth.9324:

And No, I did not say War is OP, just a simple comparision how RtL is difference to Rush skill in Warrior.Now, Eles take the hit, but it would be no wonder all similar skill will take the hit later due to after Eles, there will be another victim for this matter. Hugely a direct hit to ALL the BUILD, even in PVE.

The only thing they did with rtl is that now you should THINK when it should be used and when it shouldn’t. If you’re not using it mindlessly to just move faster – you should be okay with it.

Stealth.9324:

Signet of Restoration: Passive heal slightly reduced: Another Hit to our weak already defensive, make us now has to go even more Defensive just to SURVIVE.

You don’t even know how much did they reduced passive heal and you’re already SCREAMING. “OH MY GAWD THE NERFD MAH HEAL NOOO”. Why do you act like a little kid?

Stealth.9324:

Cleansing Waters: Now removes 1 condition with a 5s CD. In PvE, it is not bad of a hit. In PVP it is a Huge Hit. Come with this, I would like to see Condition not flying everywhere in PvP, pls

While the other classes carry it, you’re whining.

Stealth.9324:

Nice Job Anet, you just kill ELES, not just bunker but ALL the VIABLE Build out there. Remember why we have to go BUNKER in the VERY FIRST PLACE.

I lold so hard. With such a small amout of information about nerfes at all you are just yelling like a baby.
They should have done it much earlier. So you should thank them.

Allow this little dear rabbit enlightened the “might” tiger.

I compare RtL with Warrior Rush because they acts at the very same way, gap closer and a mean to escape with no need of target. Why only RtL getting this bs nerf? Oh please don’t tell me Warrior only use Rush as gap closer. Whoosh did I forget Ranger also has Whoosh as well with also the same? Agree that RtL is not affected by cripple,chill that make is somewhat better. Why don’t they just simply apply that change instead add in another 40s CD? And I guess you don’t know, RtL is also used in PVe and WvW to roam around and a mean to escape. It is not just simply as you think that now Eles need to think of how to use it?Again, why eles is the only class has to think when to use mobility skill?It complete broken our mobility as a whole. D/D offhand skill Fire ROF, Burning Grasp, Water Frost Aura, Cleasing wave,Air RtL, updraft, Earth, Earthquake and CE. Which you say AoE 2s Stun again?Please enlighten me on this cause I don’t know we have such a trait. And sorry you are wrong again on attument CD, 15s without trait and 9s CD with 30pts in Arcane. I wonder do you even play Eles???

Ok. I might overreacting about the signet healing nerd but judge by the way Anet Nerfs thing so far, their “slightly” adjusted could be much different that player “slightly” means. Proof is the change in RtL. I bet they think that is just a “slightly” tweak but in fact, it is a class broken adjust.

Like I said, Cleansing Water adjustment is not bad in PvE where Condition not flying around like flies. What it affect the most is in WvW and PvP. Have you ever seen an Engine stack 5 conditions on you instantly? Or a War with his Longbow does the same or simply with Necro Dagger OH skill 5. Guess not. The fact that some class has so many way to apply condition while some class suffer the lack of condition removal does not justify about the change. What they can do better instead is give other class more way to remove condition while tone down the ability to apply so many conditions at once on some class.

Sorry, to you who don’t play Eles could never understand about how hard this Nerf hit the class. And No, to an outsider,these Infos could be not much but to us Eles, that is a huge impact considered we only have 1 or 2 viable build out there.And regardless of what the build is, unless you are super skill, we all have to trait in Water and Arcane combine with our healing power and mobility Just to keep us alive long enough to be useful. We are a cloth class with meele Attack play style after all.

Guess they are,trolls, all talk. Empty barrel echo loudest. And this is what surrounded us everyday. Disgusting…

Where are all the troll??? I wonder.. Too scared too accept the challenge? Come on, you Trolls out there laugh so hard and confident to say that Eles is not hit hard after nerf. Why not come in here and accept the challenge?

shimzor.6057:

Stealth.9324:

shimzor.6057:

Stealth.9324:

Please tell me when is the last time you fight an Eles. Please duel one Bunker Eles and see for yourself how long will it take to kill you. I would dare to say the least in 10s if u are a DECENT Player. If it take no more than 5sec to burst you down as a Bunker, then I think you are the one that incompetent.

Sorry, I really thought you were incompetent, but now i see that you never played tournaments.

Oh sorry to break it to you, I am playing tournament at least 3 tourney per day. You claim that the PVP is fast, sure I agree, but I don’t think that fast kill comes from Elementalist regardless. In Tourney, the fight usually end up as 1 vs 3 or 2 vs 4, it never be 1 on 1. To say that Nerf to an OP Build which you prefer Eles is the best nerf, and PVP is in fast paced at the moment, I simply want to prove to you that if you are dueling 1 on 1 with any Bunker Eles, you will see the pace is much slower. Go on and see for yourself.

1. There is no duel in this game.
2. We can try that 1v1 together (i play with warrior, you can choose my build)

Sure, contact me in game Kaane Moka for a challenge if you are on atm. We will have a 1vs1 dueling. Any build is up to you.

shimzor.6057:

Stealth.9324:

Please tell me when is the last time you fight an Eles. Please duel one Bunker Eles and see for yourself how long will it take to kill you. I would dare to say the least in 10s if u are a DECENT Player. If it take no more than 5sec to burst you down as a Bunker, then I think you are the one that incompetent.

Sorry, I really thought you were incompetent, but now i see that you never played tournaments.

Oh sorry to break it to you, I am playing tournament at least 3 tourney per day. You claim that the PVP is fast, sure I agree, but I don’t think that fast kill comes from Elementalist regardless. In Tourney, the fight usually end up as 1 vs 3 or 2 vs 4, it never be 1 on 1. To say that Nerf to an OP Build which you prefer Eles is the best nerf, and PVP is in fast paced at the moment, I simply want to prove to you that if you are dueling 1 on 1 with any Bunker Eles, you will see the pace is much slower. Go on and see for yourself.

shimzor.6057:

Americium.7182:

Ahaha. instead of boosting useless builds , they just nerf normal (not op). GJ Anet

I would say that you are just incompetent. Fights are to fast even without new buffs, sPvP need to slow down. Nerfs r good thing, but nerfs to OP clases r best we saw so far.

GJ Anet, im gona come back and play this game again (with few friends).

Please tell me when is the last time you fight an Eles. Please duel one Bunker Eles and see for yourself how long will it take to kill you. I would dare to say the least in 10s if u are a DECENT Player. If it take no more than 5sec to burst you down as a Bunker, then I think you are the one that incompetent.

No, they think the Boons we use is different than the one Guardian has. Guardian has automatic Boon while we have to switch Attunment to achieve it and sarcrifice 5 skill of our being locked out for 9s everytime we switch in and out. Way to think Anet. “Good job” for being a Class Eliminater…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/April-SotG-CliffNotes/first#post1906008

Here is the post.

You can be more serious than this, right?I mean, do you even have a brain to begin with?

You gotta be kidding me. They nerf Eles to the GROUND, not just bunker but any other Build out there. Bunker Dams greatly reduce due to all Boon hate now mechanic as Bunker Eles rely on Boons to boost their Dam. 2% per boons and Fury on Switch, that all they have. I can see Bunker Eles is hitting like a WET NODDLE now, high chance one of the worst Dam Bunker out there.

RtL 20s on hit and 40s with no hit,way over the top. How about Rush in Warrior (20s CD and 1200 Range), Whirwind Blade (8s CD 600 Range). And No, I did not say War is OP, just a simple comparision how RtL is difference to Rush skill in Warrior.Now, Eles take the hit, but it would be no wonder all similar skill will take the hit later due to after Eles, there will be another victim for this matter. Hugely a direct hit to ALL the BUILD, even in PVE.

Signet of Restoration: Passive heal slightly reduced: Another Hit to our weak already defensive, make us now has to go even more Defensive just to SURVIVE.

Cleansing Waters: Now removes 1 condition with a 5s CD. In PvE, it is not bad of a hit. In PVP it is a Huge Hit. Come with this, I would like to see Condition not flying everywhere in PvP, pls

RtL change + Signet of Restoration hit + Cleasning Water: with no buff in our Def base stat at all, Nice Job Anet, you just kill ELES, not just bunker but ALL the VIABLE Build out there. Remember why we have to go BUNKER in the VERY FIRST PLACE.

Glyph of Storms air and earth durations slightly increased: Any Eles out there still using this? Any why buff duration if Condition removal is still out there?

Seriously, ANET????

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GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…

Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.

Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….

You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.

Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.

Would you rather walk to your enemy then?

Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”

I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.

“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”

You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.

Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?

Yes, thank you for confirming what I just confirmed for you.

This will be my last post to you. I will choose to completely ignore you thanks to (…. All the quality that an idiot would have)

I wouldn’t call someone an idiot when you can’t form proper sentences yourself lol.

Again with all the English excuse, try better next time or speak four different language,Mr. Genius.

Even though he’s a bit right, I think the best thing to do is to just ignore waka.

it is not that I can not form a complete sentence. I don’t want to form it so that I get another Fragment Notice for Insult People. But you are right.

Let me correct you Gareth,it is 2% dams, at most we have 10% dams Boost equal to all the same cllass out there, but they have it outright while we have to build up.

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GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…

Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.

Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….

You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.

Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.

Would you rather walk to your enemy then?

Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”

I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.

“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”

You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.

Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?

Yes, thank you for confirming what I just confirmed for you.

This will be my last post to you. I will choose to completely ignore you thanks to (…. All the quality that an idiot would have)

I wouldn’t call someone an idiot when you can’t form proper sentences yourself lol.

Again with all the English excuse, try better next time or speak four different language,Mr. Genius.

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GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…

Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.

Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….

You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.

Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.

Would you rather walk to your enemy then?

Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”

I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.

“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”

You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.

Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?

Yes, thank you for confirming what I just confirmed for you.

This will be my last post to you. I will choose to completely ignore you thanks to (…. All the quality that an idiot would have)

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GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…

Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.

Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….

You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.

Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.

Would you rather walk to your enemy then?

Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”

I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.

“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”

You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.

Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?

you just prove ele is a 1 trick pony class, gg.

too all the heart seeker spamming thieves out there, you have a lost partner here.

Not again with all the false assumption out there. And let assume even Eles is one trick pony class and QQer still have the problem dealing with it. Dont tell me people still have the problem dealing with HS thief spam…Shame on you. And no, I did not imply it. My point is to survive in the heat of battle,we need to constant moving.RTL is our only decent engage and disengage battle. No,Flash is not the mobile skill..GG

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GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…

Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.

Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….

You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.

Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.

Would you rather walk to your enemy then?

Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”

I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.

“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”

You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.

Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?

I once give out training to a new thief. A guardian come in and despite I asking him nicely that we are duelling, do whatever you want with the map, and do t interrupt us, he went and attack me while I am give out training. He downed me and typed in “Noob”. I was so rage and re-spawned to kill him. While I was killing him, A Mesmer jump over me and downed me. Again, he said “Noob”. Then I replied " Call it when you can own people in 1 on 1". This part really make me rage “I never 1 on 1”. So frustrated, I get on my Eles and start owning him despite 2 vs 1.I killed him, and replied "Eles is OP,nerf "and I was downed after he die…. Right…

In short, I hate people call who they skill Noobs while refuse to duel 1 on 1 and when people own them, they call the class OP and whine for Nerf.

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GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…

Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.

Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….

You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.

Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.

Would you rather walk to your enemy then?

Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”

I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.

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GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…

Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.

Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….

You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.

Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.