Guild Wars 2

Sorry if I missed this in the patch notes.

I just salvaged 5000 cof marks converting them into helmets for salvage. I never received more then 1 ecto per hit. I recall usually getting 1-3 per salvage before and have it video documented in my epic world first 20,000 cof mark salvage. Was this just changed today? I checked my records and did receive 1-3 ectos per hit from a mass salvage I did last week.

Edit 5000 cof marks = 166 salvages. You used to get about .9 ectos per salvage using master kits. I got 80~ ectos which is around a .5 per salvage. Which seems to be a 50%~ nerf

My theory so far is that either the lvl of the item (cof is 70) effects the chances or just dungeon bought rares had a nerf where they can only give 1 ecto now while others still can give more. Or that there is truly a 1 ecto per salvage limit with same proc chance reducing the rate from .9 to .5~.

edits:
To summarize comments and finalize the thread with what happened.

Salvage rates have been corrected!

Despite randoms accusing a conspiracy theory the truth came out and salvage rates were off and were corrected by some of the best staff support I’ve seen in an MMO to date. Salvage rates should be correct now and returned to their .9 rate of ecto with master kits and everyone may salvage once again.

I want to say thank you to the community that was open minded enough to assist in this study and to John Smith for some of the best staff support I’ve seen in an MMO. Although I did have to take a hard hit of 2-4 infractions to deal with the trolls while making my point.

Special thanks to Geotherma who did all of the work and brought his reputation and research to get this problem resolved after the community hurt my feels to much and I had to leave.

Perhaps some gloating at the Stego haters that tried to call me out, and label me a conspiracy theorist or “like all the other ecto posts” specifically Aeonblade.8709.

Thanks everyone for helping to resolve this and although I wish I could have my 8000 cof marks back to resalvage this engagement on the forums was overall quite fun and worth it.

I’d like everyone to take some time and check out the art work of my character I made at the start of my salvage proof video to celebrate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pbn_U6CUFw

bri.2359:

Stego.3148:

My interpretation of this is insecurity, and desperation to convince themselves and other people they didn’t just drop 300$ on a fused weapon by posting on a forum.

I got 3 tickets from opening around 10-15 BL chests. These chests were from drops, the keys I bought through gems, bought with RL cash. I buy 5 keys for 450 gems, so 90 gems per key.

I can buy 800 gems for €10, so I paid €20 for 3 fused weapons tickets, along with the other stuff I got from those chests,

Please explain how you see a fused weapon costing $300 …

Ok here we go, are you ready?

1 key if you buy with the (5 pack discount) is about 100 gems

800 gems = $10

800 gems = 8 keys~

the drop chance is reported to be between 1/100 to 1/200 or 1/1 most seem to get it anywhere in the 100-200s or 1/1.

Most believe it to be between 1/125 to 1/150 so let’s go with these low estimates to give you the benefit of the doubt.

you will take on average $156 ($187 not in bulk) to aquire one at the low estimate or $187 ($234 not in bulk) to buy it on average at the high estimate. This could easily swing both ways. Yes my estimate of $300 is high but shockingly $300 is in the realm of reality for what just a semi unlucky person could expect to pay.

And don’t tell me everyone is earning these keys with gold. The only way to make that amount of money is CoF farm or playing the TP and with the amount of crying about CoF on these forums, I know most of you arn’t CoFing.

anyone that hasn’t got it in roughly these odds mysteriously all got it with a 1/1 ratio, only used one key and got ticket.

Here’s a few rant quotes proving the 1/1 ratio of so many people is more then likely a fairy tail to cover up insecurity, and desperation to convince themselves and other people they didn’t just drop hundreds of $$$ on a fused weapon by posting on a forum.

Kain Francois.4328:

Many players such as myself have spent more than $100 worth of gems without receiving a token.

Sojar.1495:

I’ve now dropped over $300 on getting a Fused weapon. I have yet to get a single Fused Ticket.

munkiman.3068:

i bought $200 worth for a ticket. I didn’t get one and so therefore that’s pretty crap….
Also, i wonder if it’s only the new chests that drop the tickets. I bought all mine on the TP and you’d think after almost 200 tries i’d get at least one. If so, someone should really stipulate that, otherwise i just basically wasted $200 bucks…

aelfric.8536:

You are right, people will complain. But they should sell the skins for a fixed price on the TP. It can’t be, that players spend money for hundreds of keys and don’t get a skin.

My thoughts.

Asilithiel.7928:

204 keys, got my first ticket in the last batch.

I have returned to this topic since so many people replied to me. According to this thread 100% of the people that got fused weapons got it with 3 tickets only. So the drop rate is between 100% and 30% per chest.

My interpretation of this is insecurity, and desperation to convince themselves and other people they didn’t just drop 300$ on a fused weapon by posting on a forum.

And to Jordo: I have a job is not a justification to buy an advantage over others in a virtual world. It doesn’t matter however so much in gw2 since arenanet needs the support and sells only aesthetics.

For the last decade until recently that hasn’t been in the spirit of online video gaming and exists only for some business people to profit. It became accepted around the same time MMO companies started making everything casual friendly about 3-4 years ago in an everyone wins environment that people started having no problem to throw money at video games instead of playing them. Honestly seems absurd to me.

This practice has been shunned for most of online gaming’s existance and I definitely agree with the argument of not involving real life money in video game progress, it’s a shame the video game industry has come to that low level of integrity but if you enjoy MMOs that will have some longevity and had enough of wow there really isn’t an option.

There’s only one mmo company I know that aren’t slaves another company. SquareEnix, who bank their own profits (maybe funcom idk I think EA has them though). and ff14 was not received well.

I doubt their is any passionate about gaming professional at Arenanet that loves the idea that the gear in their game is earned through gambling large sums of real life money. I’m sure if possible they’d prefer people that play and enjoy their game get rewarded but they don’t have the freedom to do that.

On that note I think we are at the point where companies invest in mmos to fail and just rock a marketing campaign and cash in on the hype box sales / collectors / lifetime sub one time payment deal / + 1-2 months subscription of 1 million people.

jheryn.8390:

Stego.3148:

regardless of how you got it, a fused weapon sends the message that you gambled 100$ of RL money on it. Legendaries while purchasable with RL money still have an element of farming and in game pride. These things will be released regularly so Fused weapon is the first of many many one time skins that have to be gambled for. Unless you are a Dubai prince or something you won’t be able to obtain them all so just get whatever you want. No one at any time in the future will care if you have a fused weapon I promise.

It may send that message to you, but not to everyone. I bought 5 keys and got one on the second try. It was just luck. I know another guy that got it opening just one chest and he didn’t even know what it was. He asked in our guild chat what a Fused Weapon Ticket was. Many people were lucky enough to get one without spending loads of money.

It sends the message that you have an item that on average required gambling over $100 US dollars to have a reliable chance to get. Just because your friend got it in one ticket that’s a huge exception to how a majority of fused weapons are obtained. The item is associated with a primary cash shop path.

Through playing the game you come by keys very rarely. I’ve accumulated 50 through unhealthy game play everyday since launch which wont’ come close to a good chance at a fused weapon. With the odds of the drop rate “Many people” were not lucky enough to get one and only a small portion of the population would have managed one out of a box without spending lots of money, and that portion is overshadowed by the huge amount of the population that just blew 1/2 a months paycheck on it.

Go look up the term e-bay as used in video games.

regardless of how you got it, a fused weapon sends the message that you gambled 100$ of RL money on it. Legendaries while purchasable with RL money still have an element of farming and in game pride. These things will be released regularly so Fused weapon is the first of many many one time skins that have to be gambled for. Unless you are a Dubai prince or something you won’t be able to obtain them all so just get whatever you want. No one at any time in the future will care if you have a fused weapon I promise and it doesn’t make you look more elite ever.

They all look average (preference is irrelevant, that’s the truth). If they were on a dungeon token they would would be one of the least popular sets. Not to mention that’s one single weapon on one alt.

OneManJosh.5198:

F i average about 10g avagering 10 mins per-run. ( pugs )

Don’t know what that means but if you mean 10g per hour that’s only theoretically possible in the most ideal situations that most likely don’t actually happen, especially after the first 30 minutes of farming.

Speed run groups will average the same as pugs because the guy that types in all caps in broken english shouting orders in every group that links a dusk every other chest will kick half the group because one person killed an acolyte out of order then the group will disband, and you have to wait to find another one then this happens again.

Also the special warrior that doesn’t know how to do the 4 gate totems sneaks in every other time someone leaves and runs from totem to totem for 2-3 minutes which makes you lose even more gold in a speed run.

Kichwas.7152:

…But not every game translates. You can go play the english version of Lineage (or could last time I checked a few years back). But one almost wonders why…

And I still have my doubts about WoW in Asia. When I’ve gone there nobody I’ve met plays it – though that’s anecdotal.

Oh and yeah, if you’re talking real-life baseball… that takes HUGE investments on all angles. If NCSoft owns a RL baseball team, that kind of concerns me. Baseball teams make money hand over fist, but they consume it just as fast half the time – and managing one takes a LOT of focus that can get in the way of other priorities…

Surprised a 15 year old game can match the sales a massively anticipated game can make at launch no matter what region. I’d say from my life in the US Diablo 2 would come closest but i don’t know many that play it period. I’ve managed maybe 4 times a 2-6 month play period in the last decade, and I don’t think D2 sales come close and aren’t steadily rising in profits ( I’m aware it’s not really an MMO but I have friends that I have tried to get to play it on my little revivals of it and some say their eyes can’t even process the graphics and see things on the screen.)

Lineage 1 is the number 1 game of all time. With it’s increasing quarterly profits it will shortly in the future generate the most quartely profits of any mmo of all time and then move forward to vastly shatter and exceed that record up to 2050-60 where it’s loyal fan base starts to die of old age.

RoRo.8270:

WoW came out what 9 years ago? They are still raking in huge profits I would like to see any other game do this

According to this report Lineage 1 does that easily and is almost twice as old as WoW (15 years) in 2 1/2 D perspective and is increasing rapidly in profits quarterly making more profits per quarter then major game and MMO Launches.

Went to the 3 locations and can’t find them. Help please.

So Lineage I and this Baseball team mentioned in the report.

I don’t know anything about Lineage I except it came out in the late 90s and no one really cares about it yet per quarter it somehow generates more money then GW2 did in it’s launch quarter.

Instead of making wow clones all developers should make Lineage I clones and make ridiculous cash on dinosaur game no one cares about far into the future with profits fiercely rising.

The baseball team seems to be the big issue and signing up new players. I’m surprised it takes so much money to sign up new players to a baseball team.

jul.7602:

during night). Berserker axe/mace with sigil of smotheirng/night for 20% extra damage.

Ayrilana.1396:

during night).It was an either/or, I’m pretty sure. I think the dungeon always occurs during the night.

I really don’t interpret “for 20% extra damage.” as either/or.

jul.7602:

Weapons: Berserker greatsword with Sigil of smothering/night (10%+ vs Flame legion/ during night). Berserker axe/mace with sigil of smotheirng/night for 20% extra damage.

Thanks for the write up btw!

I wasn’t aware of this, can anyone verify that smothering and night stack? I was under the impression all +Damage% and +crit chance% didn’t stack regardless of the criterea on sigils.

All the conspiracy theories here against speed runs are interesting.

People that enjoy playing competitively.
1. Arn’t playing the game how it was meant to be played.
2. Are botting.
3. Have to be warriors.
4. Having the initiative to learn how to improve your skill in a game is a problem in all MMOs
5. One evening of doing a dungeon without paying attention counts as “experienced”
6. Being asked to have a type of gear that takes 2 evenings of casual playing is bad.
7. Every character can only have one armor set and you should only equip that one and never change it around.
8. Players that attempt to learn and improve their play to max efficiency do so because they are bad at the game and the more they learn the worse they get
9. Nothing in the game is required in any run except maybe hitting auto attack so you shouldn’t be expected to do anything more then swing your weapon

wow horrible knowledge on guardian class imo,

Greatsword is about as good cleave damage as guardian dps can get even unspecced. Nice utility and greatsword #5 will make the entire group do vastly more damage.

Sword / Torch is debatable to be guardian’s top single target damage build.

Combining this with GS makes a lot of potential to swap between cleave pulls and #5 suck along with more blinds, and bigger single target damage and group might. If a range weapon isn’t needed. Theoretically there are more optimal set ups but it’s far from horrible, GS’s #5 especially has far more value then can be calculated by math depending on the situation.

Mace / shield is alright too though. Honestly don’t see how you can really dissect a guardian by the weapons they are using. I don’t see a weapon combo that a guardian couldn’t benefit from situationally. I don’t see any of the weapons aguardian has access too being one they would never use. IMO guardian should carry every weapon they can use.

A lot of style points also + group condition removal.

Healing Breeze is far from bad in a lot of situations also.

The utility choices do sound sketchy though.

kokiman.2364:

Stego.3148:

If they made CoF p1 harder the casuals that complain that they can’t join a speed run group would prob not be able to do it at all and it would be like half the other dungeons that no one does.

CoF isn’t the best gold per hour dungeon even, it’s just pretty good and fairly chill with a low skill cap to be sucessful at it. There would be plenty of other places similar to CoF to move too but they would be more demanding and more elitest then before. If they nerfed all dungeons then the only people that could afford anything would be credit card gold buyers, expoiters, and trading post players.

Or these so called “casuals” would actually get better at the game.

Just like they are hard at work practicing CM SE CoE, new AC, and every other obsolete dungeon, and not crying on forums about CoF when they don’t even know what a speed run is.

If they made CoF p1 harder the casuals that complain that they can’t join a speed run group would prob not be able to do it at all and it would be like half the other dungeons that no one does.

CoF isn’t the best gold per hour dungeon even, it’s just pretty good and fairly chill with a low skill cap to be sucessful at it. There would be plenty of other places similar to CoF to move too but they would be more demanding and more elitest then before. If they nerfed all dungeons then the only people that could afford anything would be credit card gold buyers, expoiters, and trading post players.

If you don’t like speed runs why would you join one then come here to complain? You messed up the 3 main things a mesmer is in the run to do. A Mesmer’s job in CoF 1 is about as demanding as GW2 can get. Elitism =/= looking to play with like minded players, and you obviously don’t have the mentality that someone that could have learned the mesmer roll purely by observation on other classes. would. It’s not elitism just a mentality to play competitively and seek others to play with like that. It’s not their responsibility to teach you either, although it would have been nice if they did. A mesmer in CoF speed that isn’t doing their job is incredibly easy to notice so it’s a very vulnerable spot to be in if you are underprepared to be honest.

While over the top elitism is on one side of the spectrum there is also people that care so little and invest so little time that they become a burden and frustrating experience and can make playing the game much less enjoyable. GW2’s challenge bar is so low that even the most casual with the slightest bit of will power could bridge this gap.

To be absolutely blunt doing a few runs of CoF on any class would reveal almost all of the mesmer tricks purely by observing. I think the problem is your definition of your own experience and not that some people were looking to play with other like minded people, and wern’t trying to set up a mesmer classroom for you to learn.

You don’t even need 4 warriors but you do need a Mesmer mostly because from my experience you’re lucky if 1/5 people can do ball gauntlet without many attempts.

Thanks for the replies everyone, very helpful! We will definitely attempt to pug a few or eventually find some willing to go on a regular schedule who are in the same boat as us. The total influence cost will be around 100g correct? with 1.5-2 months build time?

Having trouble finding a guild that doesn’t require 100% rep to earn Guild Commendations.

Our goal is to only earn 2 guild accomodations per week we aren’t worried about the guild merit.

I’m planning with my IRL friend to just farm up the money to buy the influence ( we have nothing in art of war currently but are efficient at farming gold) for up to Art of War 5 then Guild Bounty.

Will it be possible to find and duo some of the bounties? The idea we currently have is that we will que up Tier 3 bounties to have more targets to select from identify the easiest target of the bunch then try and find it and duo it down with in the time limit.

If this is to hard we could possibly try to pug a few in the actual map or pick some up prestarting in Lion’s Arch. Both of us are fairly hardcore capable players and have access to all class with gear.

This is just a plan and we have no experience in how this will turn out. Does anyone have any feedback please on if we will get stopped at any point in this plan or have a better idea of how to go about doing things in our strategy? Things we are missing that are going to cause major problems etc? Thanks for your help in advance.

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We arn’t trying to rambo it or anything, we have just been missing weekly accomodations due to guilds having random scheduling and requiring 100% rep to not get kicked, we will definitely attempt to pug in Lion’s Arch and in map.

One last question: we’re looking at around 100g for the influence in total? There arn’t other things I’m missing?

Hello and thanks,
My friend and I are looking for a guild that does regular reliable weekly scheduled guild challenges and that also does not require 100% representation, in the North American region.

I am an experienced player, I have at least one of all classes leveled to 80 in full exotics. Dungeon Master, FoTM 40+, and can handle all content Guild Wars 2 has to offer. I am patient, and treat everyone I meet in game friendly and respectfully. I am active generating around 400 influence through out my day.

I am loyal to Blackgate server but am very willing to guest and will be able to attend all events beyond the rare RL obligation. I’m also interested just in being part of a gaming community and would be interested in growing to become a valued member of a guild.

Please reply here or contact me in game in /whisper or by mail. Thanks for your time!

Angry about having levels? lol. What could possibly come next? for people to make believe complain about. What has happened to the gaming community =( Angry that they have to sign in at all?

While you are at it can you make my molten axe and molten mace glow and look more awesome and shoot fireworks I’m starting to feel neglected too. Thanks for your time! There’s a huge amount of non legendary weapons that have been untouched also and not updated to have planets orbiting around them or anything.

I think “we” will live without being forced to view YOUR shield at optimal maximum at all times while gaming. Expecting them to rework one of the nicer buff visuals that this game has. seems a bit ridiculous.

I don’t really have a need to see your shield and would rather be focusing on combat than zoomed in on your Legendary at the time your aegis visual is active. I’ve seen Flameseeker on countless people and was able to view it absolutely fine and aegis has made my own shields look more awesome on various occasions, specifically Fractal Shield.

Infact I can view the legendary and it’s effects just fine in both those pictures in the second post.

The reason all of the above posters used a guide has nothing to do with a counter, it’s your need to have video games be played for you and not willing to invest anytime in learning or doing things for yourself. I don’t have much sympathy that you think you should complete an achievement in absolutely no more then 1 play through.

I say add a counter but put it only in infantile mode and also make entering infantile mode trigger an account wide 24 hour debuff that makes all their characters appear in game in a bonnet and a diaper.

Ulion.5476:

7-15g per hr from Cof speed runs

Estimate is very wrong. Your make believe farming data is so wrong that it makes me believe the only per hour you are dealing with is how many times you can charge your parents cc per hour.

If you make humans max short they look very creepy and little in game (scary hobbit like gremlins). Obviously on your screen they look fine but on everyone else’s they do not!

Some people claim max short has a pvp benefit, it does in some games, it doesn’t matter really here at all. Max Height norn mesmer is the only time i notice this being an advantage. If you did want to go for unoticable you’d be asuran anyways which work fine as small sized.

For human:
put the box one tick under the top line of the slider so there is just a small space between the top of the slider and the slider box. This would be a tallish human max it for males if you want to appear tall but put it to those exact specifications for females.

For sylvari:
same as human but possibly a little small but no further then half way down.

For Norn:
Females all the way down so you are roughly in proportion to other races and not monstrous unless that’s what you are going for. For males do w/e

For Char:
anything goes

Asuran:
small is kind of better the big one’s look creepy sometimes. Max small is ok.

Chapter II: The “Norn Ratio”
When it comes to height there is something I call the “Norn Ratio” of the humanesque races the norns can be so much larger it really can look bad and ridiculous if a max small human is next to a max size norn. So I try to scale my heights so they look fairly in balanced together.

Jabberwock.9014:

I have to say… is it really a problem that people aren’t farming the dungeon? Dungeons paths weren’t intended to be farmed for hours on end long past the point you’ve gotten your dungeon gear and lost any sense of joy in doing them. Let the people move onto other things. We just need a nerf to cof now.

are you serious? if people didn’t farm dungeons it would be impossible to make a group for them. It took me close to two hours to put a CM group together at prime time using gw2lfg after i solicited half my AC pug to come already and this is after 2 days of trying for over an hour a day(on a level 80). Do you really think this game would be much better if all dungeons were like this? Content should be made to be played and mastered not some one time thing people do a few times then never want to return to.

Start using your head, no one would do any dungeon at all anymore if you were in charge.

ryokoalways.3450:

Stego.3148:

ryokoalways.3450:

If the salvage of vendor items included dungeon armor piece, then I would agree. However, the fact that you can get ectos from doing CoF is what makes it the best money per amount of time. Just counting the guaranteed silver does not make any sense in calculating overall monetary gain.

Zap is a tier 2 precursor, but Bolt is a tier 1 legendary. The reason is because charged lodestones pushes bolt to around the same cost as hammer, gsX2, and dagger.

Again, the problem is the reward for the amount of effort vs the amount of reward. So currently, you can run CoF1 at the rate of about 7-8 minutes (very modest values) for ~60s + wonderous goods + drops. What if that level of reward was instead made to Arah P3 (done in 20-25 minutes easily) while similarly scaled rewards (so over 2g + less wonderous goods + less drops). Wouldn’t that be a more “honest farm”?

Thank you,
TJL

because 250 gold + 150gold for the value of charged over onyx = 700 gold

For that particular point

-Zap hasn’t been 250g for 2 months at least. It’s been 300-350g for about a little over a month into late Feb/early March, and is at the current 400-500g.

-The difference between gift of darkness (you said onyx vs charged so I’m assuming twilight for tier 1) and gift of lightning fluctuate more between 170g-200g.

-This means Bolt, in total, is ~180g less than Sunrise, ~100g to twilight, on the same level as jugg and incinerator, and about ~140g more expensive than the dreamer (these are the 5 precursors with t1 cost), for top tier legendaries placed at about ~1500g in total.

bought it for 261, 26 days ago can put up a screen shot.

Rest of your math looks sound though, still dealing with a few hundred gold which adds about a week onto that estimate, anyways this is nitpicking the estimate is solid of one month of full time farming for about half a “t1” legendary, I’d stand by this.

Agree with you and besides we’re basicaly debating if it’s 1.25 months or 2 months to farm a legendary with 6-8 hours of farming in CoF kind of a silly argument I guess sorry.

ryokoalways.3450:

If the salvage of vendor items included dungeon armor piece, then I would agree. However, the fact that you can get ectos from doing CoF is what makes it the best money per amount of time. Just counting the guaranteed silver does not make any sense in calculating overall monetary gain.

Zap is a tier 2 precursor, but Bolt is a tier 1 legendary. The reason is because charged lodestones pushes bolt to around the same cost as hammer, gsX2, and dagger.

Again, the problem is the reward for the amount of effort vs the amount of reward. So currently, you can run CoF1 at the rate of about 7-8 minutes (very modest values) for ~60s + wonderous goods + drops. What if that level of reward was instead made to Arah P3 (done in 20-25 minutes easily) while similarly scaled rewards (so over 2g + less wonderous goods + less drops). Wouldn’t that be a more “honest farm”?

Thank you,
TJL

because 250 gold + 150gold for the value of charged over onyx = 700 gold

ryokoalways.3450:

Actually, a friend of mine managed to farm up the cost of a bolt in its entiriety in a month and a week.

It does nothing to level the playing field, primarily in that CoF1 is printing money (guaranteed silver drops) more so than generating material (rares for ecto and molten stuff only).

More than anything else, the level of reward doesn’t match the effort. The reward level of CoF1 would make sense if I can get 5-10g for finishing arah P1-3 (20-35minutes per run), and 15g+ for finishing arah P4 (1-2 hours) (assuming the rate of CoF1 is 8-10g/hour).

It’s not even the best gold/hr dungeon from silver drops alone, not even close really it’s just a fad right now to complain about it. Also zap was a 250 gold precursor until a few weeks ago

It does level the playing field because while people cry about things like this, people are doing things like glitching to all 3 chests / mission completes in instances making vastly more money then an honest dedicated player can make without a reliable farm like cof etc they also have to compete with other obscure exploits and people tossing out money on their credit cards. CoF is an honest farm that can actually make the average player money to buy things, and a month and a week of full time farming should reward 1/2 a legendary that sounds reasonable and a very hard core grind as far as these things go in most MMOs.

Usually most zerker CoF Pug groups will be just short of 5 gold per hour or less btw. (before TP) which FoTM was almost on par with before they mystery nerfed the chests a month+ ago.

CoF isn’t the best gold/hr dungeon farm in the game even why are you crying about it? It’s a relaxed farm that doesn’t require you to be crazy pro and dedicated to make a decent amount of gold but not even the best.

Really it’s just like everyone is an honorary game critic now with no idea about anything. To complain that there is a reliable way to make monitary progress for casual relaxed players in a game is crazy.

If you farm CoF for a month for 6-8 hours a day you will be about half way done with the money portion of your legendary, not so OP is it? Without CoF and other reliable farms that players playing the actual game can do there would be no way for normal players to afford anything against TP players and credit card gold buyers and exploiters, CoF Levels the playing field on this.

Anything too small becomes a “kitten Sword” or a “one a halfer” technically not a “Greatsword”. True 2 handed swords throughout history have been more of a status weapon for fancy people dueling or used similar to a spear with some attempts to be bludgeon slashing versus plate which had a short life span due to the superior power of longbows against plate armor eventually making plate armor not have a long stay at all in the real world.

A majority of greatswords already seem too dainty in game for this type of fantasy genre.

Besides running the risks of sounding very not PC: besides 3 female body types all of which I’ve rarely seen used. The second body over which seems like 95% of female characters have is vastly most popular, basically the body of a 12 year old girl who’s gone through intense chest enhancement surgery. Wielding a ridiculous weapon like a great sword will always look ridiculous in some sense on that frame.

I vote to keep making big ones. The greatsword selection in game is already pretty diverse and a good portion are very small but there are lots of unique choices and flavors. Only big one’s I can think of are Vigil, Twilight, Sunrise, Ghastly (debatable, on the edge of “big” for a greatsword), Fractal, HoTW, and invaders (I think). Out of 30+ greatswords. That’s less than 30%! Actually I find most to look like weird small tribal seaweed and wood and bone sword things.

Mitch.4781:

Stego.3148:

Mitch.4781:

ANET could do worse than examine the masters of MMO’s..yes Blizzard and really investigate why an 8 year old game still trounces every new mmo release to the market…The simple answer is it listens. And Content..lots of it. They have a brand new 12 boss raid…what do we have?? Banging some fences in the snow and npcs we could care less for…

Actually not true. Blizzard analyzed the most popular and most played mmo of all time which is farm ville for their current game model. This goes a lot deeper then purely adding an actual farmville to their game by the as this game plan began implementation in mid Wotlk in making content appeal and tap into the huge player base farmville has and gain it on a subscription and microtransaction level.

Gw2 by that logic should analyze Farmville, but I love gw2 and have never had interest in farmville

Art work in this game is amazing I agree 100%

The fact is that currently WOW has 8million plus subscribers and is the leading MMO by far. I can’t go back because I really like the initial premise of GW2..however, I respect the fact they constantly churn out content and listen to the fans. SOmetimes I really feel that Anet comes across as disingenuous and arrogant in its dealings with the playerbase.

Farmville is the leading mmo with 63+ Million active players. It’s a mindless cashcow game built to maximize cashcow, WoW Copied this business model in most of it’s design. MMO’s had a lot more integrity pre-wow and gw2 has always been a huge breath of fresh air.

The less wow the better.

Mitch.4781:

ANET could do worse than examine the masters of MMO’s..yes Blizzard and really investigate why an 8 year old game still trounces every new mmo release to the market…The simple answer is it listens. And Content..lots of it. They have a brand new 12 boss raid…what do we have?? Banging some fences in the snow and npcs we could care less for…

Actually not true. Blizzard analyzed the most popular and most played mmo of all time which is farm ville for their current game model. This goes a lot deeper then purely adding an actual farmville to their game by the way as this game plan began implementation in mid Wotlk in making content appeal and tap into the huge player base farmville has and gain it on a subscription and microtransaction level.

Gw2 by that logic should analyze Farmville, but I love gw2 and have never had interest in farmville

Art work in this game is amazing I agree 100%

Toxyn.9608:

Even CoF doesn’t require a portal on a speed run.

True professional speed runs don’t use portals because it adds 5-10 seconds of time to the completion.

have you considered role playing as you go along? Resing downed npcs can be more then just hitting F and getting exp you can be saving a fair maiden or perhaps even your future bride?

My 9 year old step daughter logs in and runs around and jumps off bridges and says “Weeeeeeeeeeeee” as she does it, then she dyes her armor. Once this is done she logs out and writes a story about all her gw2 characters then she reads it to me. You could try this ? She seems to have a lot of fun doing this.

DJRiful.3749:

This is getting terrible… I am having a hard time to get a group. This is stupid, I’m a DPS Ele with high vit and high dmg. I’ve done 10min group run.

I just don’t see why people are so nitpicking. Path one needs a buff. All the trashes cannot be skipped so this requires profession CC and special skills to counter these trashes.

I run each of the 8 classes twice per day. It takes 3 hours to finish those 16 runs on a mix of characters always in pugs everyday. There’s no issue let people play how they want, if they want technical trained groups let them have it, there’s plenty of options to run CoF outside of warrior x4 and mes.

They are in no way interfering with your playstyle so why complain about theirs?

Runes:

- 6 runes can be mystic forged into a super rune which can be placed in a new equipment slot which can be equiped and swapped when out of combat like other gear. Thse take priority over your equiped runes in your armor and temporarily disables your armor’s runes while they are equipped. ( Mystic forge randomly increased to 6 item input when applicable )

Transmutation:

- Armor and weapon skins are loaded into a menu like dyes with the use of a fine transmute stone and can then be infinitely applied to your armor and weapons.

Style:

- Your undergarments are now dyeable.

- T-shirts and jeans have been added to the gem shop for town clothes.

- The starting town clothes can now be repurchased from a vendor in your races main city

Combat:
Defiance has been removed from the game and instead we designed encounters that encourage players to equip and use cc abilities on bosses.

Interface:

- Skill management has been added to easily swap utilities and trait hexagons with one click when out of combat, possibly armor sets also.

- Weapons can be changed in combat on a 2 minute cooldown and 5 second global lockdown on abilities when swapped.

Skills:

- 100s of new questable skills have been added similar to guild wars 1. A subjob system has been put in place which on top of the new global questable skills allows players to choose a restricted number from a specific class which they earn through unique story mode esque quest lines, the subjob class is changeable similar to respecing and retains the abilities you have already quested for when swapping.

- Players have the option at 80 to level the same character as a different class. The class can be switched at an NPC in every major city. Players are confined to the class they have selected and this offers no player advantage besides sharing equipment. This could in the future be tied in to unlocking other classes abilities in a restricted method. (This costs 300 SP per class to unlock and Gems could be charged here to not cut into slot sales)

World:

- Precursors and tier 6 have had their drop rates increased significantly so after we nerf cof people will still be able to make progress on these things without using their credit card.

- A new cross server zone has been added to the open world with pvp enabled. And an all out free for all pvp zone has also been added. These are not required for 100% world completion but have events focused around fighting other players in a more casual way then world vs world for those that would rather farm in pvp.

- Advancing your story quest far enough gives you access to not just your own faction’s equipment but all the faction’s equipment.

- Oh and purely aesthetic mounts have been added also

Items

All Legendary’s have been made account bound on creation instead of soul bound on equip.

All ascended gear purchased with Laurels has been made account bound instead of soul bound on equip.

Dungeons:

- More dungeon paths have been made shorter and the encounters more reasonable to encourage one path for a quick casual group and if it’s enjoyable and people have time they can do a 2nd or even 3rd path. Cut scenes and waiting around have been toned down for repeatable content. We attempted to consider the totality of all 3 paths to be the entirety of a series dungeon run taking around 1.5 hours in a sucessful group with each individual path being roughly 20-30 minutes.

- Hard modes have been added for each dungeon with enhanced drops on a quantity level. They can be undertaken with between 2 and 5 players and scale in difficulty depending on how many people are present.

- Story mode Dungeons now give the same rewards as explorable and can be conscidered the same as any other path for rewards.

- Yeti Bunny Char Girl encounter has been removed from the Uncatagorized fractal as we decided fighting a harmless yeti for 10 minutes is not enjoyable.

- All the longer fractals have been put on par with the shorter one’s so people can complete a round in 1-1.5 hours.

- Fractal Weapon skins can be purchased for 3000 relics.

- FoTM chests have been restored to their previous loot chance so you can make more then 40 silver in what can be up to 3 hours of FoTM.

Trading Post:

- Items listed to sell expire after 2 days. So the TP becomes a buyers market and not monopolized by a handful of people who are border line exploiting.

- With the changes to drop rates and dungeons we now hope people can achieve their goals in other efficient ways besides only playing the trading post game to achieve any reasonable amount of gold to purchase things.

WvW

- Every kill awards a Mark of Honor and finishing wvw events gives 1-5 mark of honor depending on the task because we felt wvw marks shouldn’t be earned just by doing jumping puzzles.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Stego.3148:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

6 months from now you will have laurels coming out of your eyeballs and will be complaining you can’t even spend enough of them to get rid of all the piles of laurels you have.
Not everything is about the right now. There are some goals for laurels that are clear winners, like ascended gear, but after you have that it is all just fluff and other ways to get things.

If I play every single day for the next 2 years I’ll have enough laurels to gear out my alts in one set of stats with just the laurel gear available now. This is a narrow view that you will be able to cap out on laurels ever. People with one character will in the relatively near future but beyond that they most likely will not.

3 for 3 price is poor design. That’s 250 days for 500k karma which can be farmed in a matter of days. 10 for 1 laurel wouldn’t even be worth it.

Using Laurel’s on anything other then ascended (possibly the tonic or pets if you are a collector I guess) is a big mistake unless you are so casual that none of this matters at all and by that point you can just cut yourself laurels out of paper in real life and color them in with markers and give them to yourself and RP that you are having a blast in your playstyle and are a powerful warrior without even signing in.

Well Personally I think using them for anything other then ascended amulets right now is a waste. It only takes 10 days of fractals to get a ring which is a much better investment. For the newly added accessories it is also a waste. 12 guild comms takes 6 weeks right now, but that time frame is quickly diminishing. Someone starting now can get 12 comms in 4 weeks since Rush is unlocked by many large guilds. In another week you will be able to get an accessory every 3 weeks once people unlock guild challenge, and in two weeks people will be able to get an accessory in 2 weeks once Puzzle is unlocked.

So basically laurels have a “bad” price for every item that is not exclusive to the vendor. Which is the point. It is an alternative, casual way to get things with a opportunity cost built in. Yes you can farm more karma if you grind for it. Yes you can get more rare gear if you grind for it. Yes you can get more dyes if you farm them. Every item on the vendor is at a poor exchange rate because it is essentially a bonus method of obtaining things.

I understand your point on the accessories.

The price looks out of touch with the game itself. We are talking 500 days of doing your daily to have enough laurels to handle the karma portion of your legendary which is the only thing Obsidian Shards are used for besides a shield no one uses. Prices can’t be completely arbitrary even if they are just an alternative way. Would you do your daily for 500 days just for the karma portion of your legendary or farm for 4~ days and get the same amount.

As a gamer to me the price listed looks unprofessional as if whoever thought it up had no clue of what they were used and in what manner. Maybe they have a whole team that decided this is the optimal number but I don’t see the logic behind it. It might as well be 100 laurels per 1 obsidian shard at that rate and by that logic it would be just as reasonable.

It does seem like a high estimate. I do hand-ins of 1,000,000 Karma and get about 15g~ but I only rock 60% karma. Great data, thank you very much for doing this.

4% for a lodestone seems high to me. Just a hunch, I have no data outside of memories of my own luck. Also when dealing that that amount of lodestone’s the profit range could have a huge swing might be best for your calculations to average out the value of lodestone’s and determine an average lodestone value. Sorry if you already did that, thanks again for this.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

6 months from now you will have laurels coming out of your eyeballs and will be complaining you can’t even spend enough of them to get rid of all the piles of laurels you have.
Not everything is about the right now. There are some goals for laurels that are clear winners, like ascended gear, but after you have that it is all just fluff and other ways to get things.

If I play every single day for the next 2 years I’ll have enough laurels to gear out my alts in one set of stats with just the laurel gear available now. This is a narrow view that you will be able to cap out on laurels ever. People with one character will in the relatively near future but beyond that they most likely will not.

3 for 3 price is poor design. That’s 250 days for 500k karma which can be farmed in a matter of days. 10 for 1 laurel wouldn’t even be worth it.

Using Laurel’s on anything other then ascended (possibly the tonic or pets if you are a collector I guess) is a big mistake unless you are so casual that none of this matters at all and by that point you can just cut yourself laurels out of paper in real life and color them in with markers and give them to yourself and RP that you are having a blast in your playstyle and are a powerful warrior without even signing in.

You can use it to run up the harpy fractal 10-20 to avoid knockdown. After that they hit to hard to run up solo.

I do 800 CoF tokens a day, 2 runs on each class, and if I have time a handful more with a zerker warrior group on my warrior or mes. Any group comp of zerkers of any class can clear it in relatively the same amount of time. Some runs of mixed classes are about the same speed as a warrior group some are slower. The difference of a good warrior group vs a good any class group is at most a minute and since most people can’t handle farming for more then an hour anyways this is kind of irrelevant. And there’s definitely a fair share of warrior groups that underpreform vs a nice group of a random mix of classes.

Warriors are setup perfect for cof path 1 in a lot of ways, outside of that their mileage is about the same or worse then most other classes. I’d say guardians are the king of any other dungeon or fotm and can preform pretty much on par with most warriors in a cof 1 zerker group.

What most people don’t understand is zerk warrior is a min max of mere minutes which would only add up in a very long term farming sessions. More time is wasted replacing members and afks and finding an open gate then any specific comp would shave off of the time needed. Zerk warrior groups tend to be the most stable on this end also as people are there specifically for long term farming more often then just up for one run and leaving causing up to 5 minutes of replacing downtime.

It doesn’t have much to do with the game it’s just a myth centered around a popular dungeon, cof isn’t even the best g/hr dungeon farm, it’s not a big deal and warriors are fine the entire thing is a misconception in the community and the variable of people making a warrior to maximize their farm hence having a better mind set to preform better and farm harder in cof.

All that being said, if your life will end if you clear CoF path 1 one minute slower then the potential fastest, I’d recommend you level a warrior. It just takes a few days of casual playing to get to 80

Orrian boxes will get you about 10-20 gold per around 500k Karma. Not sure what you mean.

Rune of the Ranger’s 5% is bugged and while in combat the 5% bonus isn’t present a lot of the time. Talked about it in this post before when deciding on rune of the eagle

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Why-use-rune-of-the-eagle-over-ranger/first#post1165625

This is only about replacing the 6th Eagle Rune for a Ruby Orb, it’s not about going full Ruby Orbs. For a Berserker build Longbow at 245% crit damage and 60% crit chance unbuffed. Is ruby orb more damage then the 6 set of Eagle? I showed my math below but my math skills might not be up to par or I might be missing something.

I concluded that Ruby Orb is a 2.5% to 3% damage increase in the 6th slot while Eagle is only at max a 2.5% damage increase.

Rune of the Eagle:
the 6 set is 5% damage to targets under 50% health. This would equate to an average 2.5% damage increase.

Ruby Orb
Ruby orb is 20power 2%crit and 14 precision

21 precision = 1% crit at 80

The precision would equal .75% crit chance.

adding .75% crit chance at 245 + 2%(from the orb) bonus damage is a ~1.1% damage increase

Ruby Orb’s 2% critical damage would be a:

1.2% damage increase at 60% crit
+.4% if fury is active
+up to .2% if rune of perception is stacked

according to these calculations I see Ruby Orb adding:

a minimum of 2.3% damage unbuffed to 2.7% damage with fury to 2.9% with rune of perception stacked also without taking the 20 power from the Ruby orb into the equation at all, and the most likely unnoticeable sharpened edges bleed increase and other crit procs if applicable. I’d assume with these things added in Ruby orb would fall right around a 2.5% at a minimum and scale upwards to 3.0% damage increase.

I tried to conduct some more testing and am noticing a random change to the 5% not activating on circumstances that I can’t narrow down. I’m having a hard time controlling my pet to be dead or alive in the pvp area does anyone have a trick to reliably kill your pet there for damage testing?

Some more data would be much appreciated if anyone can help on the criteria for what deactivates rune of the rangers 5%.

It feels like it might be tied into a combat phase and if your pet dies the 5% is gone until you leave combat and then renter combat.

Thanks for all the feedback so far. And at wmtyrance, I’m not saying Ranger is broken or complaining I’m just trying to understand why people use Eagle as Ranger rune at a glance is clearly better.

Thank you for the replys, I need to confirm if Ranger is bugged still or has been fixed or what exactly the criteria is for taking away the 5%. Anyone with knowledge on this please?

just ran some tests in spvp world. The damage seemed to randomly go up and down by the 5% sometimes when pet was dead sometimes when pet was alive. If there is a damage bug I can’t put my finger on it, anyone else have more specific input on how ranger rune is broken? Sometimes they would both be alive and offcooldown and I wouldn’t get the 5%.