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I see all these comlpaints about the ele. they are warranted sure…but what about the freaking ranger? i’m seeing rangers carry orb from pedastal to raven in less than four seconds … taking almost no dmg and shedding any attacks and roots..one because of evades..and too because roots like inf strike don’t work on half the freaking map. they deposit orb..and bam are back at pedastal before it even respawns.
If they’re doing it in less than four seconds, they’re hacking =P
Either way it still only takes about half as long as an ele does if the ranger is even halfway decent. Plus like he said they have a million and a half evades and all that.
All their leaps are also slowed by cripple/chill (on top of the orb slow). They lack any form of aegis so they’re easily stopped from picking up the orb in the first place. They have to actually build around orb-capping at the expense of power if they want to truly excel at it, while Elementalists get all their orb-running tools for free in their standard, OP builds. They have limited access to CC, etc.
Sure, they’re better at orb-running than a lot of professions in the right hands, but complaining about that is just as foolish as complaining about any other class that can do things better than the rest when built right. Rangers are easily countered if you know what you’re doing, while Elementalists basically just get to do whatever they want without any consequences, regardless of how their opponents react.
I see all these comlpaints about the ele. they are warranted sure…but what about the freaking ranger? i’m seeing rangers carry orb from pedastal to raven in less than four seconds … taking almost no dmg and shedding any attacks and roots..one because of evades..and too because roots like inf strike don’t work on half the freaking map. they deposit orb..and bam are back at pedastal before it even respawns.
If they’re doing it in less than four seconds, they’re hacking =P
So how do you plan to prove more people play WvW?
Enter the mists.
Goto server browser and add up all numbers.
Next go compare those numbers to JQs WvW population.
Thank you
That doesn’t actually prove anything. Quite a few people play tournaments, and you can’t track the populations of those in-game. Nice try, though.
With Spirit of Nature.
If you like the way the alpine wolf looks, that’s enough justification on its own. Looking good at the expense of handicapping yourself is always better than being OP and ugly!
It’s sad that this kinda confirms that they don’t even pay attention to this forum, anymore. There were several big posts talking about how the cooldowns still reset on pet-swap when they tried to fix them in last month’s patch. They somehow thought they took care of it last month, by the looks of it.
After having played a hunter in WoW prior to GW2, I find it absolutely hilarious how both the class’s community and the developer response to it has been exactly the same between games.
Were you fighting next to a Dwayna statue?
You obviously don’t love your ranger, if you’re abandoning it just because there’s a more overpowered class.
The Empathic Bond nerf definitely stings.
As a greatsword/sword ranger, I can consistently get four healing leap combos in addition to the regen and initial heal of Healing Spring. Amounts to something like 12,000 health on a good cast. Clearly the best option ever!
…Of course, that doesn’t help if using a bow is your thing.
Why can’t you play your ranger, again?
What are you guys even talking about? Pet swapping is resetting F2 skills just like it always has, for me.
i’m guessing ur using cats or birds?
I use a wolf and a bird. The wolf’s fear resets on every swap, just as it always has. Are you guys just making things up to insult ArenaNet, at this point? >.>
What are you guys even talking about? Pet swapping is resetting F2 skills just like it always has, for me.
I’m not a fan of diluting challenges either, but come on. This is not something to complain about in any way, shape, or form.
If this is true, why did everyone complain about it and get it changed in the first place?
Because many people on this forum are silly and desperate to whine and complain about every little thing they can think of. Those who complained prior to the change likewise had no fair reason to complain; but it happened and ArenaNet made a change they felt was warranted. They’re not going to revert it simply because they wounded your shallow sense of pride. So, you’re really only complaining for the sake of complaining, and that’s pretty lame.
In the end, it’s a goofy little meaningless achievement. There was and is no reasonable excuse to complain about either of its iterations.
The “achievement” is worth nothing to me if everyone has it.
This attitude is both disturbing and unfortunate.
I can somewhat understand feeling that way about legendaries and the like… but a silly little holiday achievement that nobody can actually see? Come on; you know that you did the event the “hard” way, so why do you need some brief bit of useless text to confirm it for you?
I’m not a fan of diluting challenges either, but come on. This is not something to complain about in any way, shape, or form.
People complain about only getting two pets for free. ArenaNet gives everyone enough cogs to make a third; people complain about already buying the others with gems.
Lovely.
A PvP system does not work with a dungeon requires learning.
I don’t mind having to play with pugs, pugs can learn and eventually understand the mechanics, the problem is that once you do that you can’t say “okay guys everyone knows what to do lets restart this and keep all the yaks alive”, because once you restart you get a completely new group of people and you’re back to step 1.
So, politely tell the new people what they should do to ensure all the yaks stay alive. You’re not the only person that wants to get the achievement done, so just put in that bit of effort to tell them the best strategy and most of the time they’ll listen. I got the achievement on the second try simply by telling people—calmly and politely—how to best build the defenses.
Again, it’s ONE event.
It doesn’t matter if it’s one event or 50 really, the point is that this is something that should never have made it anywhere near as far as being added to the game in the state it’s in.
This is also the game’s forum, if people are disappointed with some aspect of the game, this is the place they have to share that. Or are the Anet staff all telepathic?
Seriously, you’d rather have it not exist at all than have it in its current state? That’s ridiculously unfair to both ArenaNet and the people that actually enjoy it even without being able to do it with friends.
This is such a minor issue, stop blowing it out of proportion. The activity doesn’t even give any unique or meaningful reward. It’s for fun; if you can’t have fun without your friends, then do something else.
You also get several gifts by opening the giant present every time you defeat Toxx. I was also getting a personalized gift at the end of every wave, on top of that.
But, like the other activities, it’s mainly something to do for fun. If you don’t like it, don’t do it. Sure, it might have been exciting to get more glamorous rewards, but the lack of them isn’t an excuse to call the activity bad.
Another random endless tonic. Don’t do it if you care about the ones you already have.
The issue is that the material is NOT re-gatherable (as far as we know), unlike everything else used in the MF.
Which means people should have been especially careful when throwing it all away on a completely unknown recipe. A shame they weren’t.
And how do you propose someone be “especially careful” when the recipe involves a material that cannot be gather again? Either way someone has to go “first” to figure out what what you might get and others have to go after to confirm whether the initial recipe is 100% or not.
Try actually thinking before you do it.
“Hey, I know this recipe is an unknown and I might not get something I want. I also know I used my one and only frame on each of these tonics. Am I really willing to give up these tonics, considering I might not like the end result?”
All you need to do is think about the cost vs. the benefit. If the reward isn’t good enough, then don’t take the risk. Just throwing it all away when you were more than capable of making an informed, thoughtful decision and then demanding that ArenaNet coddle you and give you more frames because you don’t like the end result is beyond pitiful.
You KNEW you only had one frame. WHY would you risk it if you also knew you liked the tonics too much to live without them? This is entirely your own fault, people. Get some class.
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Is this how where the MF is heading? I sure hope not because I can’t imagine the brave people who wasted stacks of orichalcum, globs, mystic coins and other expensive materials to discover all those new amazing weapon skin recipes wanting to risk sometimes getting maybe a random rare or exotic back, all the while there ‘being a possibility’ that the same recipe could’ve given someone else a new unique skin.
Are you new to the game? This is the way the MF has always worked.
And what recipes are you referring to? Because to make tier materials there is no ‘you might or might not get them’ and when you waste 500 +orichalcum, ectos, mystic coins for a unique exotic weapon skin there is no ‘you might get some orichalcum back and no weapon’
So the question is, are you knew to this game?
Four Dusks into the forge. What do you get? Another random exotic greatsword. Same concept here. Research the forge before throwing something you care about away on an unknown.
The issue is that the material is NOT re-gatherable (as far as we know), unlike everything else used in the MF.
Which means people should have been especially careful when throwing it all away on a completely unknown recipe. A shame they weren’t.
So, you had something you wanted, but decided to risk it in a mystery recipe when you had no idea about what the outcome could be? And you have the gall to say it’s an insult from ArenaNet? Come on; get a bit of class and maybe think things through the next time you decide to gamble away something that you already enjoy.
Guess what? Putting four Dusks into the forge would just spit out another random exotic greatsword. This is no different. Again, try researching how the forge recipes tend to work before risking something on an unknown.
Quote me where I said it was an insult from ArenaNet.
I know I was gambling, and I know there’s nothing I can do about it but ask if ArenaNet could add the frames so I can gamble the Endless Tonics back.
Sorry, I was referring to the person who called it a “slap in the face” (and everyone else who considers it a failing on ArenaNet’s part other than their own). Meant to quote.
So, you had something you wanted, but decided to risk it in a mystery recipe when you had no idea about what the outcome could be? And you have the gall to say it’s an insult from ArenaNet? Come on; get a bit of class and maybe think things through the next time you decide to gamble away something that you already enjoy.
Guess what? Putting four Dusks into the forge would just spit out another random exotic greatsword. This is no different. Again, try researching how the forge recipes tend to work before risking something on an unknown.
You could have sold that many gifts for almost enough to simply buy the bell with gold off the TP. Maybe do a bit of research before sinking everything into a gamble and then calling the game a failure because you didn’t get what you want (despite the fact that a guaranteed method of obtaining it was right in front of you).
Sorry you didn’t get it, either way =(
That is adorable!
“All things have a right… to die!”
Ah, I love those adorable little death-machines.
Did he say at all that the events were worthless without friends? No.
The Bell Choir is ridiculous – I didn’t recognise any of the tunes and even on a high scoring ‘stage’, we were all out of sync thanks to latency issues, so it still just sounded like bell spam.As for pets, what you claim simply isn’t true. Guess what? There are at least NINE pets in this holiday. You can get at least two for basically nothing. You can get three more by paying gems for them. You have to gamble for the other four. That means you are guaranteed to get five of them with a fixed amount of gems, which is already more than the total number of Halloween pets.
Actually, it is true. You contradicted yourself here. All the Halloween minis were essentially guaranteed if you paid the bare minimum to get them. With Wintersday, you’re not guaranteed to get them all unless you fork out a ridiculous amount of money. Personally, I spent $40 just to get each of the 3 initial minis and as a collector, I was disappointed to find that we would be required to spend more money again just to get the 5 extra ‘toys’. It doesn’t matter if there are more or less minis than Halloween – the problem lays within the fact that you’re required to spend more money than the cost of the game itself just to get them.
Are you simply just refusing to acknowledge that there are some serious issues with this event?
First, when he calls the entire event an “extreme disappointment”, but offers no criticism of the activities beyond calling them lackluster and complaining about the lack of friend-joining, then yes he is kind of implying exactly what I said.
Secondly, I didn’t contradict myself at all. You can get pets simply by participating in the holiday activities, which you couldn’t do for Halloween. That is vastly more accessible to everyone other than the disingenuous ‘collectors’ that don’t actually want to put any effort or money into their collecting. You do not deserve to have things handed to you cheaply simply because you want them. Some things are more costly or require more effort and luck than other things, and that’s how it should be. Otherwise, I’d be able to use your own logic to say “Hey, I deserve to have a legendary right now for the price of a single exotic simply because I shouldn’t have to spend hours farming nor fork over a bunch of money to get the gold I need for it.” Is that a fair argument? No; and neither is yours.
The problem—much as you might be disinclined to believe—lies with your own perception and ‘playstyle’, not with ArenaNet’s method.
@stormleaf.
pets are far less accessible I have all the halween ones for little cost, that was a great implementation of collectors content.
theyve also stated that holiday content will not be identical year to year so those pets may not even exist next year.As for details on the events.
Bell Choir – I cannot join this with my friends or without other players to play any kind of tune as it puts me with a bunch of random people, so it just ends up sounding like a bunch of random bells. ( I was unaware this was ingame music, as like many other people i play with ingame music off, this was a nice idea but what about xmas carols or something more recognisable?)SnowBall PvP – Again unable to join with friends and/or guildmates as its a random match up, knockdown achievement requires you to get the Killing blow to count.
Being unable to do activities with friends easily means the activities are worthless? That seems ridiculously unfair. For bells, you’re free to learn the music you’re familiar with, or you can also try to get on the same stage as people who score highly; they usually sound better than the people who don’t.
As for pets, what you claim simply isn’t true. Guess what? There are at least NINE pets in this holiday. You can get at least two for basically nothing. You can get three more by paying gems for them. You have to gamble for the other four. That means you are guaranteed to get five of them with a fixed amount of gems, which is already more than the total number of Halloween pets. If you want the rest, then do what a true collector actually needs to do, and fork over the gold/cash until you get them. You do not deserve them simply because you want them, unfortunately. That you can honestly call it a ruinous flaw to not be guaranteed four more of them—despite the fact that you can easily get more than you got for Halloween already—reeks of greed and laziness on your part, I’m sorry to say.
You’re comparing the full Halloween event to phase one of the Wintersday event. You offer no criticism of the activities other than “they’re lackluster”. You complain about bell choir being nothing but an atonal mass of ring bells, despite the fact that huge amounts of people are getting together and figuring out their favorite songs. It sounds to me like you blatantly ignored the depth of the activities; are you the type of person that only does something until you get your achievement and then gives up because there’s no more shiny badges to obtain?
Not to be rude, but this entire post seems disingenuous. There’s already more to do than there was during the first phases of Halloween; there’s more items to get (and more easily), and pets and weapon skins are far, far more accessible.
Also, what’s wrong with having to choose two out of five pets? It makes you actually think about what you want and what you like most. Then, maybe you can get two more next year!
“Never leave a good deed to ripen into happiness.”
“All things have a right… to die!”
The toys even say the wrong things! They’re so cute!
Thank you for making such an awesome, detailed event, ArenaNet!
Things come up, sometimes it gets delayed. A precise timer is a bad idea.
The best way to deal with this feeling is to always assume that the patch will come out at the very last possible minute of the day it’s announced for. In this case, that means it will come out in about 14 hours. Any other assumption is setting you up for disappointment.
As someone who can happily adapt to bugs until they’re fixed, rather than stopping everything to declare the entire game broken and worthless the instant I so much as hear about a newly-introduced issue, I wholeheartedly support the constant and continual addition of new content.
Thanks for being awesome, ArenaNet. <3
The fact they have you thinking that it’s ok for them to ship a buggy product says lots.
I’ve always felt this way about bugs, even before I knew anything about ArenaNet. Bugs are sometimes annoying, often fun, in every game ever, and almost never and big deal. So you can’t jump accurately for a few hours? Adapt, deal with it, realize that it really does not matter. You’ll enjoy the game more.
But hey, I know that’s not going to change your mind. It’s a shame you let such minor things destroy your enjoyment of an incredibly massive and well-crafted game, though.
As someone who can happily adapt to bugs until they’re fixed, rather than stopping everything to declare the entire game broken and worthless the instant I so much as hear about a newly-introduced issue, I wholeheartedly support the constant and continual addition of new content.
Thanks for being awesome, ArenaNet. <3
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Exotic gear was better than rare before ascended gear came along. Rare was better than masterwork, masterwork better than fine, fine better than normal. Nothing has changed.
Except that you can’t get ascended gear from the trading post, or with karma. Nope, nothing at all.
Except that you can, just not directly. Plus, they’ve already said they’re going to add more ways to acquire it.
Exotic gear was better than rare before ascended gear came along. Rare was better than masterwork, masterwork better than fine, fine better than normal. Nothing has changed.
Why should ArenaNet even say anything if everyone is going to call every single thing they ever post a lie or PR spin or whatever, regardless of what they say? This is exactly what everyone is doing to them. Get over yourselves, people. Show a little respect and rationality.
They need a straight yes or no to the question of whether or not there will be new stat-increased tiers of gear beyond between now and the next expansion. If it’s a yes then people will leave. If it’s a no then the whole outrage will die down.
They aren’t answering that question and its only making people more worried.
Pretty sure “we’re not making a gear treadmill” completely answers that question.
Why should ArenaNet even say anything if everyone is going to call every single thing they ever post a lie or PR spin or whatever, regardless of what they say? This is exactly what everyone is doing to them. Get over yourselves, people. Show a little respect and rationality.
It makes no sense to engage with the pro-gear grind treadmill crowd. They got what they wanted so of course they are going to come on the forums and defend the despicable act. Ignore them. Our issue is with Anet. Personally, my dissent is not so much because they compromised their integrity by totally doing an about face in what they sold the game to be, but the fact that they refuse to honestly address the matter and be honest with the community, many of us who have been loyal supporters of Anet until this fiasco. All they had to do was be sincere with the reason for their sudden change of game philosophy. Instead what we are getting is infracted, censored, deleted, banned, and just basically ignored. This is no way to treat a customer. Their treatment of this community has been nothing short of abhorrent.
I’m sorry to use you as an example of what I see is a problem with these sorts of threads, but I see multiple instances of statements that the company is refusing to be honest with it’s customers. What leads you to believe this? There was a blog post where they stated their reasons, and all the people in an uproar decided that it was just a PR exercise.
While you may disagree with the reasoning (and I’ve seen some good examples of this), what has lead you to think the blog post wasn’t sincere?
Their response to date simply insults the intelligence of those of us who know better. Which is all the more disdainful.
Baselessly calling their response a lie is equally disdainful and insulting.
You missed where the chow mein was snatched away. In this case, the casual play of this game. Or the ability to play alts and not be stuck playing one toon forever to maintain the top level of gear.
Again, this is a problem with your perception, not with the game. They are taking nothing away from you. The feeling of needing to play a single character to be “the best” (an entirely subjective concept) is entirely self-inflicted. It is a result of not thinking logically about or acting upon the things that make the game fun for you.
I agree. It’s amazing how effective the words ’I’m sorry’ can be to mend a disagreement or issue when given genuinely. From my own observations, I’m glad that Anet are trying some different approaches and being creative with their events, gear etc – but it can be risky. The major problem is that in some cases the concerns of the most important stakeholder – the player/customer are not fully considered. Mind you, it doesn’t help when there are such polar opposites in player opinion on almost all the current issues – Anet are somewhat stuck between a rock and a hard place….
They are stuck between a rock and a hard place, in the same sense that a Chinese restaurant would be, if they decided to snatch up your chow mein mid-meal and replace it with a burger instead, because the burger business is more lucrative.
I have no sympathy for them at all. There is no reasonable argument for them being “stuck”.
Ridiculous. If anything, they’re putting a burger on the table next to your chow mein. They’re taking nothing away. If you think they are, that’s a problem with your own perception, not with the game itself.
Just because you think they’ve reversed their philosophy doesn’t mean they have. Clearly they don’t feel the same way, and in the end, it’s their philosophy, not yours. It’s not ArenaNet’s fault that you fail to/refuse to understand their design goals. They know what they’re doing with their game, you do not, no matter how much you want to believe that you do. Just because you think they’re going down a road of endless gear-grinding and player-ignoring doesn’t mean they are.
But, if people can’t accept that, try thinking of it this way:
Prior to this patch, I bet you thought ArenaNet would never introduce your idea of a gear grind, right? But then they did. Therefore, going purely by past precedent, you have terrible judgment. Now you think they’re going to add an endless gear treadmill, right? Chances are, you’ll be wrong about that, too. So calm down!
A ridiculous argument? Yes. But then again, so is most of the rage over this issue.
By your own logic, you have called them Liars. They have told us on several occasions they would do one thing, and now they have done another.
If I tell you I am baking you a cookie and you get excited for a cookie, then I hand you a carrot, does that mean you should not have gotten excited for the cookie? Are you going to eat the carrot when you were told you would get a cookie? Or do you look at the person giving you the carrot and ask why?
Except they haven’t. Incrementally adding a single new tier of gear is not something they never said they’d do. Just because people say this is going to result in a philosophy-shattering chain of more and more new tiers, despite the fact that ArenaNet said this isn’t what they intend to do doesn’t make it true.
I had not chimed in on the big thread because I was waiting.
I was waiting to see another statement from ArenaNet. I would have accepted any response. Anything to indicate that they recognized the general uproar caused by the introduction of Ascended gear and the complete 180 on their own professed design philosophy.
Now that they’ve locked the thread and coolly dismissed all of the therein stated concerns, I’ve given up the hope that I’d been clinging to. No response would be given.
I’ve been a long time supporter of Guild Wars and waited for years in anticipation of Guild Wars 2. I truly believed in ArenaNet as a company and admired what they accomplished with their products.
But, I’m done. I feel cheated. I feel deceived. And, as much as I really was enjoying the game, my time in Tyria has run it’s course. This is just no way for a company to treat their customers and I’ll not have any further part in it.
Just because you think they’ve reversed their philosophy doesn’t mean they have. Clearly they don’t feel the same way, and in the end, it’s their philosophy, not yours. It’s not ArenaNet’s fault that you fail to/refuse to understand their design goals. They know what they’re doing with their game, you do not, no matter how much you want to believe that you do. Just because you think they’re going down a road of endless gear-grinding and player-ignoring doesn’t mean they are.
But, if people can’t accept that, try thinking of it this way:
Prior to this patch, I bet you thought ArenaNet would never introduce your idea of a gear grind, right? But then they did. Therefore, going purely by past precedent, you have terrible judgment. Now you think they’re going to add an endless gear treadmill, right? Chances are, you’ll be wrong about that, too. So calm down!
A ridiculous argument? Yes. But then again, so is most of the rage over this issue.
Their response was “we’re not adding a gear grind”, which they didn’t. That thread amounted to a group of thoughtless, angry players baselessly calling ArenaNet liars a few thousand times, that’s all. Just because people refuse to accept the truth of the matter doesn’t make said truth any less true.
I will be glad when the people who have stopped playing this game move on to another game’s forums.
I moved on to this one from all the other same old MMOs, but suddenly this one started turning into the same old thing they were. Forgive me for saying I liked it the way it was.
Can you suddenly not do the things that you enjoyed because of this patch?
People that are against ascended gear have nothing constructive left to say. Don’t pretend that all the people raging and complaining have anything useful to contribute at this point. They’ve said their piece. The only thing they’re doing now is blindly insulting every decision ArenaNet is making, and even if ArenaNet came out and said they’re going to completely revert ascended gear, the ragers would simply jump down their throat by calling them a “greedy, pathetic” company for even doing it in the first place.
ArenaNet has their feedback, they don’t need people constantly saying the same baseless things over and over again just because they’re upset. Stop pretending such behavior is justifiable; it isn’t, and ArenaNet has every right to put an end to it.
Overreacting, spreading hysteria, and calling the entire game a failure in every single department because a few aspects of it haven’t gone exactly your way is not helpful at all. Please just stop, step back, and think things through. Display a bit of respect and rationality, all of you.