Guild Wars 2

Not a problem, and feel free to add me. And yes, full install I agree can be misleading, when you reinstall make sure you do custom and go to advanced and delete all partitions on the drive, then format the whole thing, once done, do the install, just as it shows in the link. If that does not fix it, we can troubleshoot from there, but at that point we would be looking at some kind of hardware problem that is corrupting the files.

wish.3102:

So wait, no one cares about thieves running away, you have a problem with not being able to see them because… they ran away? and you just have a problem with them resetting fights… by running away?

Ok, my earlier post was correct. Roll a Norn, use snow leopard, now you can do all the same stuff on any class, you just have to commit more to what youre doing as you can only run away/reset the fight once every few minutes, instead of once a minute (shadowstep/refuge are on 1 min timers basically). I still fail to see the problem. Thief is good at trolling, killing bad players low man, and running away. What is your profession good at that thief isnt? How would you feel if all the bad players started railing on it and trying to get it nerfed so you couldnt do the 2 or 3 things your class was designed to do?

They are not running away, even with a norn, that is running away, you have to get way out of sight, and lose the person you were fighting, and then have a long cooldown. A thief, that is not the case, that can stay in short range and restart the fight many times before the cool down on the norn skill ever finishes. And because stealth is broken you are saying don’t fix it, just make everyone roll a norn so they can get out of a fight? That makes no sense. And I see no reason to be forced to roll a given race because I like roaming, even then, I don’t run away, I stick out fights till the bitter end, I have no problem with repair costs.

As far as my class goes, they have stated it is the most stable in the game right now (guard), however people complain about boon guards and other bunker builds, well, boon builds have counters, such as corrupt and stealing boons. The tanking builds I don’t or have ever played one, and they are either not that bad or I have never run into one in WvW, and both of these, even if they did nerf them I would be fine with if they were indeed broken or to unbalanced, as I play a dps glass cannon, it would not even affect me.

Even with their burst, I don’t find thieves hard to fight, most being of low skill level, however, they do not suffer repair costs and the like as everyone else, because they never have to commit to a fight, and when the bad players do over commit, I can see it coming and take them out. A good thief however, I will never see it coming and are very skilled at the class and I have never seen reset the fight, they are persistent from the start, and often times I lose to them, and I have no problem losing to a better player. However, not being able to kill or finish another far less skilled troll is not how WvW should be, again, the class is to forgiving to bad players and trolls, this is not what we need, roll in a zerg or get trolled for 10-20mins at a time by a single thief, not my idea of WvW.

Which is why most people will buy the keys when cheap and hold onto them until the first SP, however, about 90% of computer enthusiasts I know are passing on win8, it added nothing to the game other than power savings, which work best on laptops and tablets. The errors have to do with what seem like a bad install, as there is a problem with those files for them to be causing the problems they are, they might have been corrupted by the bad RAM you had. If you say you are fine with doing a full format and reinstalling, that would be the best thing, troubleshooting the issue could take a while and without me being there I am limited on the help I can give.

Doing a full clean install when going to a new OS might not be needed, but it’s the best option to make sure no problems, I am assuming you have the full version and not the upgrade right?

The problem tends to come from bad installs or having more than one HDD attached when installing the OS and the 100MB reserved partition ends up being put on another HDD, this being because the main HDD you would be trying to install the OS on is on another controller on the mobo and the drivers have not been loaded for it yet so the system section gets loaded onto the first drive it sees, that does not seem to be the case here though.

By saying there is a Windows.old, means you did not do a full format, but did a upgrade install. When installing an OS it is always best to click the advanced options when you are selecting the drive and click format, then go back and do a full install, everything on the drive will be gone other than the fresh OS install and there will be no Windows.old file.

XII.9401:

TinkTinkPOOF.9201:

wish.3102:

DeWolfe.2174:

Every character I have is a Norn, you know how often I use transforms, almost never. To even suggest something that has a 4 minute cooldown is even in the realm of a thief is pure trolling.

So basically you are saying that thieves negate the usefulness of every other race in WvW but, Norn’s? And, that even as a Norn, we all have to give up our Elite’s because of thieves? I think you just proven that Thieves are OP.

The way people in this thread talk, youd think giving up your elite for a “get out of jail free” card is what they want so they can be on par with thieves. How often do you really even run away? Every 4 minutes isnt enough time for you? I barely even use my elite on guardian, switching it to this was just gaining an amazing escape ability that guardian severely lacked at the cost of nothing.

Also, thieves give up everything for their stealths, you cant lose 1 skill to match them? And at no point did I say anything about thieves negating other classes. There are things thieves are good at, and there are things other classes are good at. Have you ever taken a thief and charged an enemy zerg with your zerg? you die super fast. My guardian however can stand there in the middle of the enemy and laugh. My thief can gank dolyaks in the middle of 4 people, my guardian cant. My guardian can give 4 people next to me tons of regen, protection, stability, retaliation, burning on attack, aegis, I can convert tons of conditions on them to boons, remove all of their conditions, block all incoming projectile attacks, heal them, take ridiculous amounts of damage so they dont have to, etc, my thief cant even come close to being that useful in a group fight. Every class has things it can do, and cant do.

TLDR:You guys need to stop QQing about the class that can run away from you, and focus on doing the things your class does, or play something else that does the things you want.

A thief being able to run away no one cares about, not being seen for however long they want and being able to reset the fight anytime they start losing is the problem, as I said before, if thieves had to retreat like any other class that is fine, but fighting the same person who keeps on losing the fight 8+ times in a span of 5 mins is just stupid.

I don’t have a problem with their health, I didn’t have a problem with their dmg before any nerfs, and I don’t really have a problem with stealth, I have a problem with the reset of fights anytime they like, which just happens to be done through stealth in this case.

The solution is simple. The dominating classes : Mesmers,Guardiand and thieves have way too many get out of jail cards. Eles, too.

Limit those and you will balance things.

What are those get out of jail free cards that other classes have that can be spammed in such a way a thief does? Really most interested in the guard as I play one as a main. As for mesmers and ele’s, can be annoying sometimes, but don’t have anywhere near the resets thieves have, I find mesmers and ele’s to be pretty normal in combat.

wish.3102:

DeWolfe.2174:

Every character I have is a Norn, you know how often I use transforms, almost never. To even suggest something that has a 4 minute cooldown is even in the realm of a thief is pure trolling.

So basically you are saying that thieves negate the usefulness of every other race in WvW but, Norn’s? And, that even as a Norn, we all have to give up our Elite’s because of thieves? I think you just proven that Thieves are OP.

The way people in this thread talk, youd think giving up your elite for a “get out of jail free” card is what they want so they can be on par with thieves. How often do you really even run away? Every 4 minutes isnt enough time for you? I barely even use my elite on guardian, switching it to this was just gaining an amazing escape ability that guardian severely lacked at the cost of nothing.

Also, thieves give up everything for their stealths, you cant lose 1 skill to match them? And at no point did I say anything about thieves negating other classes. There are things thieves are good at, and there are things other classes are good at. Have you ever taken a thief and charged an enemy zerg with your zerg? you die super fast. My guardian however can stand there in the middle of the enemy and laugh. My thief can gank dolyaks in the middle of 4 people, my guardian cant. My guardian can give 4 people next to me tons of regen, protection, stability, retaliation, burning on attack, aegis, I can convert tons of conditions on them to boons, remove all of their conditions, block all incoming projectile attacks, heal them, take ridiculous amounts of damage so they dont have to, etc, my thief cant even come close to being that useful in a group fight. Every class has things it can do, and cant do.

TLDR:You guys need to stop QQing about the class that can run away from you, and focus on doing the things your class does, or play something else that does the things you want.

A thief being able to run away no one cares about, not being seen for however long they want and being able to reset the fight anytime they start losing is the problem, as I said before, if thieves had to retreat like any other class that is fine, but fighting the same person who keeps on losing the fight 8+ times in a span of 5 mins is just stupid.

I don’t have a problem with their health, I didn’t have a problem with their dmg before any nerfs, and I don’t really have a problem with stealth, I have a problem with the reset of fights anytime they like, which just happens to be done through stealth in this case.

Open the start menu and type in CMD, right click and run as admin, type in “sfc /scannow”, without the quotes, if you have not already, if it finds errors and can’t fix them, go to the log location and upload it. You might also want to try running the recovery mode from the install DVD if you still have it and see if it can repair the problem if the cmd fails.

When you built the computer, is that when you installed the current OS on it or did you upgrade or install it later? If do, did you have more than one HDD in the system? Did you do a full format of the system drive when you installed it? Click on start and right click on “computer” and go to “manage”, in the left panel go to “storage” and then “disk management” and take a screen of all the drives and partitions they have and post them please.

Software can not tell voltage from the PSU, they are very well known for giving bad readings, you need a multimeter to check voltages right, no reason not to have one either, basic ones can be had for really cheap these days.

It depends on where you are WPing to and how many people and objects are in that one location that have to be loaded, it also depends on the drive you have and if anything else in the back ground is using up I/O on the drive. Lots of things have been added since the game came out, and everything from wep skins to new minis and the like all have to be loaded off the drive.

Without having the full dmp file we will not be able to do proper trouble shooting, there will be allot of info inside of it with more than a single error in most cases, please upload the file to a host and post a link so we can look at it and see if there is anything helpful.

Should note that if you have a hotmail or live account etc you can use skydrive. If you don’t sendspace is free and does not require signing up.

The game is fetching all the textures and items that are being shown on the screen, when you WP somewhere all this has to be loaded from the hard drive at one time, when you are walking inside of a map things are being streamed off the hard drive as things come into view, and as such for the most part seem seamless. The only way to improve this is to move the game onto a faster drive such as a good SSD, you will still have load times, but it will be reduced by a good bit. You can pick up a SSD big enough for just the game for under $100.

Arkanfel.8403:

Personally I think thief/rogue classes should have more evade/dodge/block/parry abilities and less outright “hurr I go invis nao” crap. Thieves are sneaky and quick, but only in MMOs can they go completely invisible. Paper dice game builders seemed to realize this, game developers either don’t or choose to ignore the principle.

Indeed, we always hear the L2P anytime you talk about changing stealth, and how everyone else has no skill, but being invisible does not require skill, if the class had far more dodge and abilities to get out of the way of dmg that required skill it would be something, they still have the ability to not take dmg, but it then would require skill to do it. And not just going “poof”, throw in someone with even the least bit of skill and it becomes laughable.

I also don’t think this will hit thieves at all really, I mean, most solo/roam, who is going to stand still for 4s in a fight with the thief in the middle of a field to place a trap? I think the point of this is to limit the cloaking of zergs and stealth/portal bomb etc which would affect mesmers more than anything.

Lifewaster.5912:

We could apply this weaker version to the spammable on demand steaths that come from weapon skills and combo fields. While the ability skill stealths which all have proper cooldowns, could remain as existing stealth.

This is something that catches my eye, it’s a smaller change to stealth that could have the outcome we are looking for, the whole “blink on dmg” I heard a while back would be another thing I think could fix this, they have stealth, but if you hit them they blink out for a split second and show dmg. I am looking for smaller fixes to the pure amount of stealth they have, along with buffing dmg/health to level it out if needed, however I have fought thieves that do not run perm stealth builds and most of them were very hard to take down if I could at all, so all the other crying about there are no other builds that work, I throw it back at you in that it is a L2P problem, as it is clear that people with other builds work, and it seems most (though not all) use stealth as a crutch.

Doesn’t look like he was really doing anything, but messing around and once he did, everyone else joined in and bang, a brawl breaks out. I remember fighting a Mesmer on our BL, and he msg me because he had ran into a guard that looked like me I guess who kept on running from him and would only fight when he had 3-4 people backing him up, I said nope, not me, but I am up for a fight if you want, so we met outside of the workshop on the south of the map, talked for a bit before starting, and I noticed some people from his BL stopped but far enough away, then some other people from the other BL stopped as well and then 3-4 people from my server come out of bay and stand there also, it was like our own little spectator event. We went at it, fight lasted allot longer than I though it would and I ended up finishing him, but we were both in the down state, so it was a really close match, and had we gone at it again I would not have been sure of the outcome in the least, as he was of the same or better skill level, but it was fun.

First, the videos being posted, thief and the others, really? Are you kidding me? the thief video, it looks like the one guy is AFK or looking at the map, the others are just going about whatever, they don’t even chase him down or really try and follow him, you can tell they have other things on their mind and hes not even that skilled of a player, just messing around with people who don’t seem to be responding to his trolling.

The others like the mesmer and engi…Good lord, do those people know how to dodge or use skills? The first set of attacks are on people manning catas, and the people there chase off the mesmer, most not following the bait, very unskilled players the rest of the video, the engi at that one century, lol, that guard was a joke, let me use GS #5 which has a pull to it and not use it to get him in range, let me rather switch to scepter and use #3 on him for what? Oh, yeah, to keep on using a ranged attack and not get back into range even though he swaps back to GS way out of range, I mean its a really LOLWTF fight of people who are button mashing and have no clue on how to link skills together vs a normal player.

If that is what you think the people asking for a fix play like, I have news for you. Again, I don’t lose to most thieves, once the fight starts I start pulling ahead very fast, as most I can tell are not skilled at all, however the ability to down them is very rare because of the ability to reset the fights at will, and it is perm stealth, counting the time they are out of stealth to do burst dmg is just trying to be technical. And for every 20 bad thieves I run across I find one skilled one, and it is just not doable in most cases as they have a massive advantage. My problem is I don’t want to have to roll a thief just to be able to have fun roaming, but it is getting more and more like that, if you want to roam you have to roll a thief, they did not say they wanted thieves to be the only solo roaming class or the best 1v1 class, they said they wanted them to always be the best burst class.

That file you posted is not the dump file, that’s the error msg you get when you don’t have the right symbols package set. Rather than walking you through the process, it is far easier to just DL a minidump viewer such as this one. Or you can zip the dmp file and upload it somewhere and post it here or if you want PM me and I will give you my email and you can send it to me.

Also, don’t look at newegg/amazon reviews for what is good, most people never put a strain on anything etc. The RaidMax might last you, never know, however on all OCer sites, they are known to be very bad, in many cases exploding or catching fire when pushed anywhere close to the rated wattage, and many of the times they go out this way they take the whole computer with it, as the surge of power from the PSU going up in smoke kills everything else in the computer, so that $15 bucks saved on a far cheaper unit that probably wont be able to put out 600W, could end up costing you a whole PC, or it might last you until you upgrade…But do you really want to roll the dice like that?

You might find this video interesting to watch, note that the “brand x” in this video are all RaidMax PSU’s, Video here.

Before it crashes again, you can get the old minidumps, find one dated for the last crash, if it made one, if not you can delete all the dump files as well to make it easier to find the next one, as it will be the only one there. I don’t trust the windows mem test, try Memtest86+ and be sure to only test one stick at a time.

What are you not confident about running tests like OCCT? They are simple install, select and run programs. Some times a CPU might not be stable, other times the GPU might not be stable, however some people will test them both and its fine, but run a game and it BSOD’s, which often times is because a part in the system can’t handle the load, such as the PSU.

EvilKupo.2197:

Thanks TinkTink, I always wonder about the whole rails thing and it’s not that simple to understand (although you made it seem pretty simple)

I decided even if it’s not the PSU, it’s time for a new one anyway, so I ended up buying the Raidmax RX-850AE (on sale for under 100 bucks) and I don’t know if it’s my imagination, but the whole computer seems a bit more stable and faster. I am just about to book up GW2 and see what happens, If I get another BSOD, I’ll post the minidump.

Np, power is easy to understand, watts is not a power measurement, it is a measure of power over time. While amps are power (current) and volts is the force. To find the wattage you just take the amps, say 24, times the voltage, 3.3 and you get the watts, which is 79.2W, also keep in mind if the PSU has more than one rail, each rail might have a 30A ranting, but that does not mean they can all put that out at once, it just means a single rail can support that, but total PSU loading might limit that.

Also, as a future note, RaidMax is known as one of the most crappy PSU brands out there, the unit you got is probably the best they make/rebrand and it’s still not really on par with most other basic lines from corsair, seasonic, enermax, kingwin, silverstone etc. these are over all, all good brands and you could have got a 650W+ from most of them for well under $100. Remember it is much better to have a good 500W PSU than a crappy 850W PSU, many reviews out there of RaidMax PSU’s show that they can not even push the rated wattage, and well before you even hit that you start getting voltage drops out of spec because the unit was over sold.

Aberrant.6749:

I escape/outrun other players/zergs on my guard, mes, eng with ease on a daily basis as well. Thieves can do it easier though, yes. That’s part of their class design.

WvW isn’t centered around you getting 2 more loot bags. Sorry.

WvW and tPvP are totally different types of PvP which need to be balanced separately. To just copy + paste it all over is pretty fail.

Guard? Really? You can disengage and get away from zergs/players that are on you easy? If by chance you are lucky to get a head start, you are still wide open when backing off and can still be chased down if they want, thief is not the case, however, it is not about them running away, it is the resets, getting out of the fight just long enough to have everything off CD and healed back up. You say it’s not about the loot bags etc and by them running off for a few seconds shows we won, so we don’t need loot bags, but the thief gets them, also, rather than the down sides of losing like everyone else, they don’t have to WP and walk back or have repair costs, they get all the plus and none of the negative of being a poor player, and as such it is far to forgiving to bad players in that they will still almost never die, sure, they almost never kill me, but being able to finish them is very hard to do because of all the ways out they have, and as such, you put a good player in the seat and you might as well give up, as you will not last long.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Please read the following

Aberrant.6749:

Typical case of…

Please nerf Scissors
Rock is fine

~ sincerely Paper.

We have, and L2P is getting old, if you don’t have points to add, please don’t bother, the people in here that have a problem with perm stealth give points on why its bad and how to fix it, but the people who are trying to defend it and bash anyone who wants a fix can only say L2P without anything to back up their side. We are not asking for a “nerf” we are asking for a fix, I don’t think perm stealth was something they wanted in the game, and I even suggested giving them a dmg or health boost to make up for just a small stealth fix and no one who wants the fix even disagreed with it, which to me shows how OPed everyone sees perm stealth to be.

DeWolfe.2174:

for everyone that say’s they can down good thieves 1 v 1 with ease, please do show us the video? Otherwise, it’s thieves trying to steal the message of the thread.

I agree, a bad thief I can start winning the fight pretty fast, but down them? That can be hard 1vs1, they just reset the fight before I get them down. And a skilled player on a thief almost never happens unless they have a big screw up, super forgiving class, burst dmg and perm stealth and a player of the same skill level? Yeah, not going to happen.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

You can down a good Thief, good Mesmer, good Warrior, etc. It’s all about skill. If your opponent has more skill than you, it won’t be easy.

I have more skill than most of the ones I have come across, and I don’t even see myself as a good player, they are just that bad, but getting them finished is hard to do because of all the ways out they have, again, I could win 90% of the fights if there was a way to just keep them in it, the ability to reset and wear you down over and over is what is OPed and annoying.

Sayne.5209:

Yeah ummm…. thiefs have killed me a couple times, and I do not posses the required brain power to counter a thief. So, nerf please?

I will say it again, we are talking about stealth and resets they have, most people I have seen on thieves are easy, but finishing is very hard to do because of the forgiving nature of the class. And we are talking about even adding buffs to the class, everyone needs to stop crying about nerfing and start looking at a broken part of the game, I can not see them meaning to have almost perm stealth on any class.

GPU’s are often listed as needing much higher output PSU’s because they don’t know what quality you will be using, most cheap PSU’s have all the amps on the 3.3 and 5v rails, while the 12v gets very little, but is where all the power draw is on modern systems. They should really list amp draw for the card rather than a “suggested” PSU wattage. Also, if you list the minidumps you might save yourself a headache and money, they tell allot about the reason for BSOD’s etc. EW is a budget line, but had/has a very good bang for the buck factor, it’s no seasonic etc, but were good PSU’s, however, being older, all things go bad in time.

Do you have a multimeter? You can pick one up for a few bucks and check voltage on the rails to see if it’s putting out what it should. With the bad RAM, what did you do? Get a new stick? How much and how many sticks did you have in the system? Did you check all the RAM? You know you should use Memtest86+ and test ONE stick at a time right?

Do you have minidumps you can post for us?

Should also note the EW from Antec is known for being a very good PSU line, and for that system assuming you don’t have 12 HDD’s etc etc, would run off a 400W PSU no problem, you don’t need 600W no less 700W unless you are planing on upgrading to more power draw later. Remember that the less power you draw the less efficient it becomes, most PSU’s hit peak around 80% usage. And since that system pulls around 330W everything maxed, a 400-500W PSU will be just right, now, going bigger wont HURT so to say, but it wont do much for you other than draw more power.

Also, you said there are no other games on the computer, so you might want to try DLing one of the free unigine benchmarks and letting it loop for a while and see if the problem happens as well.

Do you have the minidump files for these BSOD’s that you could upload for us? You said “OC’s are set to their normal states.” What do you mean? Do you mean that you loaded defaults in the BIOS and are no longer running a OC? If you still have one, please post all settings in BIOS along with voltages for everything. Also seeing you said you have a mem test set to run on the next reboot I am guessing this is the windows test, I have never trusted it and suggest Memtest86+. How many passes of IBT have you passed? Did you run IBT and FurMark/Kombustor at the same time or something like the OCCT PSU test?

kokocabana.8153:

Cannons and mortars do not despawn. You cannot repair the damage. You can only wait for it to be destroyed and then after a few minute cooldown you will be able to build it again with supplies.

Indeed, cannons and the like are upgrades to the location and only despawn when the location is flipped.

Deniara Devious.3948:

Evilek.5690:

Deniara Devious.3948:

This game is already over 8 months old and it truly amazes me that the developers haven’t addressed this problem, which has generated more complaints than anything else!

Tell me what you want from developers ? Problem will probably not be in the game itself but in your skill.

I will tell you what I want:

1. Better communication with the WvWvW player base
- so far they have only have couple of SotG with couple of top tpvp players, playing (not surprising): mesmer, elementalist and thief
- but not State of the Game monthly with WvWvW players, even when this has been suggested in these forums
- there has a lot of good (but also bad) ideas in these forums and extremely little feedback from the developers
- Anet doesn’t have an open test server and generally doesn’t tell in advance about their upcoming changes
- game balance is almost solely set based on tpvp, which is very different from WvWvW and pve

2. How to fix stealth:
(notice this would affect stealth for all profession)
- let it function exactly like it is, except the stealthed player remains semi-transparent
- in other words no changes to stealth, except enemy can see them semi-transparent
- you won’t still be able to use targeting skills, but it would be easier to land AoE instead of guessing where that stealthed player vanished (I know some bad thieves are under that shadow refuge, but good ones aren’t and note this would affect ALL professions).

3. How to balance thief
- slightly reduce some of the burst skills, which are already a bit too good e.g. heartseeker (it does too much damage for homing gap-closer, which can be spammed. I don’t mean a big nerf, like 15%)
- sword #2 (shadow return) shouldn’t have infinite teleport range, limit that to 1200 range
- larcenous strike should steal just one boon and maybe put a cap on the time limit of those boons, now e.g. thief can steal 5+ minute stability from NPC (this is obviously too good)
- make venoms a bit more effective and better traits to share them with allies (= more team utility to thieves)
- cooldown for traps in pve and WvWvW should be reduced from 30 s to 20-25 s.

My idea is to make thief more versatile instead of a one-trick burst and stealth profession. Discuss.

I am not sure I like the idea of semi-stealth, unless that is for once into combat or so, even then, not sure what I think about it. As for “balancing” I don’t agree with any of the dmg reduction, I think it is fine, and would even be willing to take a buff in dmg or health if they changed how stealth worked or how often it can be used in combat. I think the dmg they put out is the least of the worry, and hitting stealth/dmg and others is to much at once. Fix the stealth problem and see how it changes everything and go from there.

Suicide OC’s on the CPU do nothing to the PSU so long as it’s not drawing more power than it can provide. Everything you listed will pull 7.2A on the 3.3v rail, 14.1A on the 5v rail and 45.5A on the 12v rail, which is well less than 600W draw, with the card and CPU OCed. That is also with everything under load, that means 100% CPU, 100% GPU, thrashing (reading and writing) all the HDD’s, all the fans at full speed, and burning a BD at the same time. My system, based off of the draw of everything should pull well into the 500-550W range under full system load, but in gaming, with the CPU and GPU maxed in say ARMA II, I pull about 320-350W from the wall, and that includes the loss from the PSU, and not what the PSU is putting out it self.

Stormcrow.7513:

They really need to start looking at optimizing the game more(not holding my breath).

I wouldn’t either, I see some bug fixes that might fix some FPS issues people have, but the over all performance I don’t see changing, and if it does, it will probably be inside the expansion, I don’t see it happening before then and a rare chance for it to happen even then, though I do hope I am wrong.

Jacklo.4230:

^^
I don’t get it. Poster above openly admits he can easily survive against 1 thief, but wants to be able to tackle a team of thieves.
The biggest whine I see in this thread is that some people can’t deal with the fact that a thief might actually get away.
Are people really so upset about losing a badge? You still won the fight if the other player had to run.

I do not believe you were talking to me but some of it does apply.

It is not being able to take on allot of thieves, though they can take on many other players with little risk, something other classes can’t do without a full commitment to the battle. So it is already one sided, but that is besides the point. If they took off like other classes do that is fine, but what they do is stealth enough for them to be in good shape again and start the fight all over again.

Excalibur.9748:

Thieves are the biggest joke in the game right now, People really need to L2P if they can’t beat a thief 1v1 100% of the time.

You see, being able to take on a thief is not a problem, I can out play most of them in a fight, the problem is them being able to take off and reset the fight when ever they like as often as they like until they wear you down or you slip up. I see the L2P far to often when I am the one winning the fights that I have problems with, it’s the thieves that need to L2P and stop having to reset the fight 12 times before they can get the upper hand.

BrimstoneAshe.5043:

Jacklo.4230:

I play pure WvW, nothing else.
Yes, I have seen the type of thief that you describe, but they’re not anywhere as prevalent as some people in these nerf threads would have you believe.
Keep it in perspective please.

That’s just it isn’t it? A matter of perspective? You say you haven’t seen as many as I describe, yet I see them all the time. Spent a good hour before I logged last night dealing with about 5 of them in fact.

I see them all the time, as a matter of fact if I see someone solo 8 or so times out of 10 its a thief, and as of late there are even a few teams 3-5 all thieves running together.

I like solo or really small team roaming, and with all the stealth if you want to roam, the only real way is to roll a thief, which I have already started, mostly to learn the play style to be able to counter better, and the more and more I played it I could not help but laugh at the dmg and amount of stealth.

Valik Shin.9027:

I have a fx8150 8 core and gw2 never makes any of my cores go to 100%. I have played rift which does max out a single core and makes my gpu drop to around 50%. Idk if its just my processor handles gw2 well or what but my bottle neck is definitely in my gpu. 7850 graphics card at 25% oc

Rift is single threaded game as such the thread and core it runs on will be maxed out assuming a GPU that can make use of it. There are mods that can be done to allow the game to run on other cores but it is still single threaded and so you go from having one core/thread at 100% to having all cores at 20% or so. This is the same problem with GW2, while the game runs more than a single thread and on more than one core, it does not scale well and is not parallel enough to make use of it, as such, that one thread that eats up enough cycles limits everything else, and since it is a single thread the OS can not make it magically use more cycles of other thread on the CPU.

Fuzzion.2504:

TinkTinkPOOF.9201:

Xirin.8593:

TinkTinkPOOF.9201:

HeNnAz.8913:

Get a new computer?
Mine is great for WvW, max graphics runs WvW zerg v zerg at like 90 FPS… only 900$

Very, very doubtful.

Maybe he plays on the computers at CERN

Oh, wait…he said it only cost $900. Yeah, I find this to be highly unlikely.

I find it doubtful if he meant $9,000. We know right now that the problem is limited to much by CPU utilization, not taking advantage of all cores and as such being limited by a single game thread and which ever core it’s running on. Now if he said over all I might believe it, but he claimed WvW ZvZ, and that I just have to call BS on.

Can you confirm is the game is running on just 1 thread per core and not 2/per core? If so, that would be a real problem.

It is not threads of the CPU, but threads of the game, if you look in PE (or whatever program you like for the task) you will notice a single thread from the game that has much higher CPU usage than the others, this is often the bottleneck holding everything else back, the CPU it self will not show high usage in many cases on 4+ core CPU’s because it’s that one thread from the game that is maxing out a single thread on the CPU, while the OS might move it from core to core or thread to thread, it will never be able to use up more cycles than a single thread can provide. If that process of data is a single thread from the game it does not matter how many threads/cores the CPU has, as it does not have the power to make that thread of the game any more parallel. So you end up with CPU usage at 50% and GPU usage at 30%, it looks confusing to many people because in most cases today you run into maxed CPU usage or GPU usage and it’s easy to see the bottleneck. However, that is not the case with programs or games that don’t scale very well (or at all) on extra cores.

Gab Superstar.4059:

I run GW2 @ 40-50 FPS on high settings, which is good enough imo, on my laptop.

Have you tried cleaning out your fan? It can help immensely. Overheating is disastrous to your computer and your FPS.

I play GW2 at 117-90FPS, however, in WvW with large player count that will drop to 30’s in a heartbeat, which is what the OP is talking about.

Stormcrow.7513:

Like Solar said the game runs crappy with whatever hardware you have.
GW2 uses 3 heavy threads so all those extra threads you have on your 3930k won’t help you all that much. GW2 loves raw clocks. I noticed a big difference when I oc’d mine to 4.5ghz.
If your PSU can handle it then I would definitely go for a higher overclock. What cooler are you using?

If his PSU really is that close he could gain the extra headroom by backing off the OC on the 680, which will not even be stressed in stock form as it is.

Ilithis Mithilander.3265:

Does this crash only happen while you are playing Guild Wars 2 or does it just crash when ever?

+1 to this.

Also, you said the problem did not happen for the person working on it, this could be due to something in your location if that is the case, often times people will live in areas that are known for having dirty power or older houses which can cause the same problem, which is the computer getting voltage spikes or voltages dropping to low, most devices will not notice this, such as TV’s/lights etc because of a much larger operational voltage, however computers have a much more limited range to stay on and be stable, this can be seen in cases of power loss for 1-2 seconds, the computer will not turn off, but will “hang”, this is the same as to low or to high of voltage, you just never notice it because the lights and other things don’t turn off.

I can say thief’s are annoying for the most part and not fun at all to fight in WvW and kind of ruin it for me and don’t think the dmg nerf was enough…With that said, it is because I never wanted a dmg nerf, my problem has always been with the stupid amount of resets they have. I am a dps guard, I barely get 17k and yet I can take on most thief’s, not easy if they are good mind you. What is annoying are the ones who do not know how to play and use stealth as a fight reset over and over because they started losing. Come in for a kill and find out its not working out of them…Reset (stealth), recover make new plan restart fight, start losing again, reset, start over and over and over until they get lucky or I make a mistake in the 8th fight with the same person in about 5mins. It is to forgiving to bad players, someone else try the same thing and fail, they will have a long walk back from a WP to try again, but not a thief, they can reset the fight just about anytime they feel like it.

Make it the reverse of what was done to ele’s, let them have perm stealth if you like, I don’t care, but once they get into a fight it has a longer CD of some sort or a block that they can only stealth so often when in combat, that way if they want to get out of a fight they have to plan it and really have to get out of it, not just spam stealth. Give them a dmg boost, or HP boost, I don’t care, it’s the stealth that ruins it. I hear people say that if they stay in stealth that much they can never really do enough dmg, which is true for many bunker builds, but most glass cannons are still on the menu, and even with a tanky build, you always have to be on your toes and ready for it, as they can come and go as they want and you having very little control of keeping them in the fight or pressure on them once they decide to disengage, however, they can put on however much pressure they want. It’s a troll build, some people play it fair and you can tell have skill, the others (most) you can tell have no idea what they are doing yet still suffer little for mistakes.

The difference from a 4 to a 4.6 is going to be small, and if hes running a PSU that small he has other things to worry about, and with a rig like that, I would be willing to bet he over bought on the PSU like most people and has more than enough power for it. For a heavy OC on everything that system would run fine on a good 550-600w PSU as at most it’s going to pull 45A off the 12v rail and under 10A each off the other two.

Xirin.8593:

TinkTinkPOOF.9201:

HeNnAz.8913:

Get a new computer?
Mine is great for WvW, max graphics runs WvW zerg v zerg at like 90 FPS… only 900$

Very, very doubtful.

Maybe he plays on the computers at CERN

Oh, wait…he said it only cost $900. Yeah, I find this to be highly unlikely.

I find it doubtful if he meant $9,000. We know right now that the problem is limited to much by CPU utilization, not taking advantage of all cores and as such being limited by a single game thread and which ever core it’s running on. Now if he said over all I might believe it, but he claimed WvW ZvZ, and that I just have to call BS on.

SolarNova.1052:

There wont be a 4ghz CPU available to buy as stock, most will run at 3.6ghz ot 3.8ghz. however a 4ghz OC is easily obtainable without much fuss.

In resposne ot above.
‘most’ games wont gain much from a i7 over an i5, but GW2 will, and so will some other high end games like Crysis 3. All in all if u can afford one, or are willing to save for one, get a an i7 over an i5.

i7 vs i5 in GW will see no change, the i7 is an i5 with HT, and GW cares more about faster clocked cores or higher IPC than more cores/threads.

SpartaX.2714:

Hmm, an i7 sounds nice ill have to find one which matches with my board…
Sounds easier then it seems… I have absolutely no idea of what i should be getting, but atleast 4.0ghz that is clear to me…
This will be harder then i thought and expensive too :P

None of them will, you have an AMD setup and Intel will not work in it. 4GHz means nothing in CPU’s, one CPU at 4GHz can be less powerful than another at 3GHz, don’t get caught up in thread count or clock speed, look at benches etc to see how things perform and don’t buy blind because of marketing. The new Intel chips coming out should do a good bit better assuming all the leaked data is correct. The stock chips should be closer to the performance of a i5 2500k at 4GHz+. Clock for clock IB was about 5-6% faster than SB (the 2500k) clock for clock, however the new line Intel is coming out with (Haswell) is going to be about 10% faster than IB at the same clock rates.

Why can’t you push it further till you get a new PSU?

Mif.3471:

TinkTinkPOOF.9201:

Mif.3471:

deathxform.2935:

w vs w seems to be impossible to handle on very high graphic even for the best computer atm in the world

So because your “2.80ghz i7 2630qm / 6770m” laptop can’t run it, it means “the best computer in the world can’t”.

Meanwhile my 5.00ghz i5 2500k / GTX 680 runs WvW with all settings on max at 5820×1080 just fine, and it’s not the “best computer in the world”

Whats your vCore?

1.4v

Fairly impressive, you must have lucked out on that chip, most people are at least .05 to .1v higher than that to get in the 5GHz range. Tried higher or not willing to push the voltage anymore?

HeNnAz.8913:

Get a new computer?
Mine is great for WvW, max graphics runs WvW zerg v zerg at like 90 FPS… only 900$

Very, very doubtful.

Mif.3471:

deathxform.2935:

w vs w seems to be impossible to handle on very high graphic even for the best computer atm in the world

So because your “2.80ghz i7 2630qm / 6770m” laptop can’t run it, it means “the best computer in the world can’t”.

Meanwhile my 5.00ghz i5 2500k / GTX 680 runs WvW with all settings on max at 5820×1080 just fine, and it’s not the “best computer in the world”

Whats your vCore?

Melanie.1240:

Allrighty, I’ll go with a more expensive one.

Price does not matter, there are some really well made PSU’s that are cheap, with PSU’s it depends on who the real mfg is, coolermaster, silverstone, antec etc etc only market items, they don’t make them, others make them and they slap a sticker on it. Research the PSU’s they offer or post a list of what they have and I can give you a yes no on them.

It is? I’m so affraid I may set someting too high or something. The store was asking only 20 euros (25ish dollars) for it though.

With new CPU’s you have the multi and voltage, those are the only two things you really change for most common OC’s, there are lots and lots of setting on the higher end OCing boards, but those are only needed the closer you get to the edge for that given chip. Most current Intel chips have a upper vCore of 1.4v, set the multi to 40 and the vCore to manual and set it to what stock VID (default voltage) is for the chip and see if its stable, if its not you up the voltage until it is. remember you will need a better cooler for most OC’s, so if you get them to do it ask how much of a OC they are giving and if it includes another HS, by the fact they are only charging 25 bucks for it, I would be willing to bet its a 100mhz or so OC on the stock HS, in which case I would say put the money elsewhere, like the better PSU.

My total budget is around 800 euros (1000 dollars according to Google? :S I’d guess it’d be more like 900 dollars). These are all the options they give:

Onboard
AMD Radeon 7770 1GB [+ € 120,00]
AMD Radeon HD7790 1GB [+ € 150,00]
Nvidia GTX660 2GB [+ € 210,00]
AMD Radeon HD 7870 XT jokerCard 2GB [+ € 250,00]
ASUS GTX660 TI-DC2-2GD5 [+ € 330,00]
AMD Radeon 7950 3GB [+ € 335,00]
AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB [+ € 415,00]
nVidia GTX680 2GB [+ € 545,00]
AMD Radeon HD 7990 V2 6GB Dual GPU [+ € 1100,00]
nVidia GTX690 4GB [+ € 1125,00]

Have them build the computer without a GPU and buy one and install it on your own later, or better yet build the computer on your own, from the looks of it on the EU Amazon website for the price of the upgrade to the 660 from the onboard you could get the 7950 for almost the same price or very very little more and that’s not even looking/waiting for sales or MIR’s.

Oh yeah I think I said that wrong. My laptop will only take 10 mbps while we have internet for 60mbps. XD And I understand now.

Will the new parts will be more expensive than the ones already out or will they have the same price?

Yeah, so that is already well past what your internet connection is, 10MB is about 80mbps.

Melanie.1240:

Oh I see, woopsie. ^^" Thanks for the input! I think I’ll go for Intel anyway as TinkTinkPOOF says they’re better.

It’s not that they are better, but that AMD does not have anything that can stand its ground with the higher end Intel. And games like GW see better gains with more powerful, but less threads. You can see this in the benchmarks for the game that have both Intel and AMD tested. However in some countries the price of AMD compared to Intel does not make it worth it.

It says RS-600-ASAB. And alrighty, I’ll go with an Intel then. I hadn’t looked into Intels before because my sis got a really bad experience with a laptop with Intel but I heard before that Intel is the best for higher end cards (she had a low end card).

That PSU is pretty poor and I don’t think even has dedicated voltage regulation, I would stay away from it and a less powerful PSU but of better quality would be a better choice.

How is this one: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40 GHz?

The i5’s are great, the “k” line being the only ones that can really be OCed.

I think I want to get it overclocked and tuned yes (by the store, I can’t do it myself. :P).

You can do it yourself, OCing the SB and newer line of CPU’s is child’s play to what it use to be. Also, most of the time getting a CPU OCed from a builder is not worth it, they tend to charge a good amount for a very, very low OC making the money better spent on the more powerful chip inline from it, OCing is worth it because its in most cases a $15-20 premium for the “k” line is not much for the boost you can get, but when you get into paying a shop to do it along with installing a better cooler and the cost of the “k” line it becomes less and less worth it, you are better off getting the faster chip from the start.

I don’t know, it didn’t give me an option not to select a sound card. Could I go completely without sound card if I’m putting my own speakers on it (which I will be doing anyway)?

I see, yeah, those are on board, I thought you were giving a list of parts from a shop and not going off a drop down spec list. Speakers do not process sound, they produce sound for hearing from processed data by a sound card.

No idea, I guess the 660 because it says ti nowhere. o-o This is all information on it:

Yeah, its not a Ti, what is your budget for the GPU and what are the options they give?

No idea..Can you use wifi without it? I have 60 GB wifi network, my current laptop only wants to use 10 MB of it so I thought a better one would make sure it’d use everything of the 60 GB. Sorry, I’m very not-IT savvy, this is what the worker from the shop I wanted to order from recommended to me. ^^"

The rating of network speed is local only, that is moving a file from one PC (your desktop) to another (your laptop) on the same network inside of your house, not connection speed to the outside world and internet or the game, also, 10MB is pretty fast for most wifi setups. File transfers are done in MB (megabyte) and networks use Mb (megabit), I would be willing to bet the laptop or whatever you are using is running off of n mode and as such you are probably not going to see any more speed on file transfers. Also, your home wifi network is not a 60GB network, no one on earth has a home network like that.

muslumgurseks.4951:

I’m well aware of that man but I was just mentioning the current status of the game… With the current coding the single core cpu processing power should be like 100x higher to play this smoothly on any type of situation And believe me nothing will be done anytime soon I said this in the Bwe / Release and repeating again they will only make the game look kittentier ant kittentier to provide couple more fps… There may be some fixes on the expansion release due to the obvious reasons.

I don’t think we will see any changes either, if we were going to see that it would have been before release, we might see some bugs and things fixed that help out a bit, but nothing that’s going to make a night and day change. As for the expansion, I don’t know, I don’t really hold hopes for any performance improvement in it, though it will probably be the best chance we have of seeing any if one is in the works at all, though from a business stand point, they made their money and the game is “playable” for most reasons, and the work needed to have a large impact would be close to making a new engine so I don’t see anything happening other than bugs.

Behellagh.1468:

But imagine the multi-boxing potential.

While it is made up of many nodes and many CPU/GPU’s, it’s a single unit and doesn’t have multi-boxing potential at all. you would need to change many things on it and install a mass of VM’s. Not only that but supercomputers like these use lower clocked CPU’s with many cores/threads, and games, such as GW2 do not scale well over many cores and you are better off with fewer but far faster cores/threads. then we get into the GPU, which are nothing at all like desktop GPU’s which are meant for games and the like, the Tesla cards are meant for calculations of a different sort and fall hard on their face trying to render games, newer Tesla cards ($2-4k each) are about 3-4gen behind as far as playing games go, as that is not their goal. Tesla cards are about being stable and accurate in their computations, where desktop cards do not require this.

muslumgurseks.4951:

Technology isn’t that advanced yet… in 200 years we will be able to play it @60 cpnstant fps

The tech is without a doubt here now, the games are not. You look the highend FPS’s we have today, coded very well and have some outstanding gfx and able to get 100fps+ on current HW. Like it or not, most MMO’s do not fall into the well polished area as far as performance goes.

Find out when your best coverage on that given map is and be on and ready, find a zerg or group to run with that’s heading in the direction. When you get close, break off and go for the POI, most others will be running to where the zerg is to defend anyway so often times the other areas will have less people to deal with. Take the long ways around, there are ways to sneak about even if you are not a thief, ask the ones killing you to let you get the POI, many people just don’t know what you are doing and as such kill you, if they know you are just POI collecting or doing the JP many will leave you alone as it has no effect on WvW and their time/money is best spent on others. When I see someone running to a POI or something I often just wait and watch, if they really are going for it I leave them be and let them get it and then kill them.

Caedmon.6798:

Titan looks kinda good if you got the money.

Titan has 18,688 processors and 18,688 GPUs for a total of 560,640 cores, and has a peak theoretical performance of 27.1 petaflops.

This will get you some good fps !

The game would never make use of the other CPU’s or GPU’s, so you would be better off with a single highend CPU/GPU and overclock the heck out of them, more is not always better.

Melanie.1240:

I’m looking into buying a new PC. I’ve had someone from a store recommending this when I said I wanted to play MMORPGS like Guild Wars 2:

AMD Game PC € 767,00

600 Watt Cooler Master power supply
AMD Vishera FX-8320, Eight-Core
Standard cooling
MSI 760GA-P43FX
7.1 Soundcard
8GB DDR3 working memory Corsair
500 GB SataIII Hardeschijf
DVD burner
Nvidia GTX660 2GB
1Gbit network card

How high could I put the settings and at what FPS with this system? I’d like to play at the highest settings possible but I have no idea if that’s possible with my budget.

I understand that for WvW zergs at the highest settings you need a beast of a PC, but I’d already be happy with 20 FPS as then I can see what I’m doing instead of watching a slide show. xD

I had to translate some terms of the specs to English so I’m not sure if I got it right (like network card/power supply and working memory and whatnot, I don’t know the English terms for those).

Are they suggesting parts for you to build or are they building this system for you? What are your goals with this system, do you only care about GW2? What is your budget?

600 Watt Cooler Master power supply
What model is this? brand and wattage mean little without knowing the model.

AMD Vishera FX-8320, Eight-Core
Ditch this and get an Intel CPU, AMD has fallen behind in this regard and Intel is the better choice for a gaming CPU. That is not to say AMD CPU’s can’t be used for this, however AMD has nothing that matches Intel for top end, better looking at an i5.

Standard cooling
Did you have any plans on OCing? If not the stock cooler is more than enough.

7.1 Soundcard
Why do you need a sound card? Is the onboard not good enough for you or something? This is just added cost with little to no benefit.

8GB DDR3 working memory Corsair
Just about any RAM that is within voltage spec and from one of the big names will be good enough, 8GB is also more than enough for the game.

Nvidia GTX660 2GB
I would have to check prices for the EU, but is this the 660 or the 660 Ti? There is a large performance gap in the two.

1Gbit network card
What do you need a network card for? Is the on board one not good enough? On board NIC’s are often well more than anyone needs and buying an extra one is a waste of money best spent else where.

Joriel.1530:

SolarNova.1052:

, the perfect ideal cpu for WvW (though it doesnt exist) would be a 8thread CPU or higher, 6ghz+ Clocked

are you sure it does not exist =P?
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/Intel-Haswell-Overclock-i7-4770K,news-43883.html

If you would read, it has HT turned off and only two cores active, so in other words its a kitten dual core, which is very common in highend OCing, many times they will only run with a single core. It’s about max clock speed, not core count or Flops etc.

Teamkiller.4315:

…That’s at the expense of dying to a feather tho….

Which is why I love this game, you can be glassy, but still live if you know how to play. I am full out dmg build, a bit of my own mix up and my death/kill ratio is pretty good when I do not consider myself that good of a player. And even had a thief call me tanky when he kept on trying and failing at taking me down, I did not have the heart to tell him I was a glass cannon build. There is allot more to surviving in this game than just pure number stats.

On a side note, I ran a hammer for a while, it was not to bad, but I found it to be very situational and if I was running hammer/GS I had no range and many classes would just kite me. It was also very slow, not that big of a deal in zergs, but I play on a lower tier because I enjoy smaller battles or even 1v1/1v2 fights, and always found the hammer to easy to get away from as the holding skills it has are slow casting and you can see from a mile away by a good player.