I think we should get 2g per fractal level resetted.
Maybe not exactly 2g but something to compensate us for our time from levels 30-50. 50+ would be nice if it was before the hard cap but that’s probably asking way too much. Sides we won't get anything in return anyways
Hold on now… I’m pretty sure you just got through saying this:
Actually they gave you a significantly better chance at skins and chests. Also, that is a completely irrelevant example that does not apply.
So which is it? Were you compensated with a “significantly better chance” or do you need to be compensated for your time for levels 30-50? Doublespeak!
You should read those posts in context they will attempt to make the exact same point which is that CURRENTLY levels 48 and 50 give you a better chance than 30 does now at weapons and good loot. In the FUTURE, you will get better rewards but I have said I DON’T kittenING CARE! We deserve compensation for our time spent in the CURRENT fotm for levels 30-50.
For levels 50+ fine since it would be hard to reward those as most people probably exploited.
I think we should get 2g per fractal level resetted.
Accept fotm difficulty is exponential. there fore g will be exponential and destroy the economy what is 2^50 power. 80-30=50. If anyting I agree there should be a title fractal master or something for those who actually got to 80 or some amount.
I honestly don’t expect (or would appreciate it if) people who exploited their way above 50 to get rewarded for it.
You do realize it was not exploiting before the January patch right? There was no hard cap then and you could do it with some clever rezing. That imo was skillful play and should be rewarded but knowing ANet you’ll be lucky to get anything even from level 30-50
Currently you get one starting at level 10 every 8 levels so 10-18, 20-28, 30-38, 40-48. You can get 4 total as of right now. After the patch, my understanding is you will get 1 a day no matter what level you run.
Doesn’t seem like you’ll need it.
We don’t know how the new agony is going to work.
Considering the new infusion slots will have more potential
‘’It goes very, very high.’’Seems to me the current slots will suffice for enough vertical progression.
I’m assuming they will be adding more leveling possibly up to 80 at some point or they would not have the need for so much AR unless they change the way it works which would explain the level reset but it still kitten es me off.
I think we should get 2g per fractal level resetted.
Maybe not exactly 2g but something to compensate us for our time from levels 30-50. 50+ would be nice if it was before the hard cap but that’s probably asking way too much. Sides we won't get anything in return anyways
If you can upgrade your trinkets and back piece forever why the hell would you need it?
I hope they at least make the AR visible when you ping it in chat or there will be alot of PuGs without the correct AR wasting our time because they can’t read.
The reward is probably going to be everything you get progressing back up to 50
If you remained at your current level (with max of 50), then you could still do this regardless. That’s not a reward. It’s being put back in the treadmill without any compensation.
It’s because they added a leaderboard. If you love fractals enough to get to 50 without any decent rewards, I’m sure you’ll have no problem doing it again with decent stuff flying at you as a result. Resetting everyone 30+ to level 30 for a chance at a top spot in the leaderboard is fair.
I personally don’t see the point to all these leaderboards, but I guess enough people do to warrant their existance. In any case, it was done to make a level starting position for those to climb the ranks again. We will all live.
First of all I have been doing daily lvl 48, getting an average of 10-15 rares, 1 exotic and cores, lodestones per run. The daily reward has given me so many fractal skins that I have started to salvage longbows, torches, maces and all the others , of which I had 5 duplicates of.
I do not want to do a lvl 30+ with a person who logged in with a character they never played before just before they felt like it. I would not call that elitist.
Exactly my point
I currently have 2 level 50 characters getting affected by the new fractal changes. They are not only set back 20 levels, but also leveling the second one is completely meaningless now that the fractal level is account bound.
I wonder if there are any plans to reward players for the lost levels, like for example a double daily chest until they catch up to their previous level? And maybe an ascended weapon chest with selectable stats per additional character leveled over 30?
If you lived in an apartment building and they changed your apartment number from 50 to 30AC would you complain that you “lost” 20 room numbers?
Levels over 30 didn’t give you any benefit, so you aren’t losing anything when they change your meaningless rank into a meaningful one.
Actually they gave you a significantly better chance at skins and chests. Also, that is a completely irrelevant example that does not apply.
We should at least be rewarded for having leveled a second character which is extremely time consuming. Now pretty much everyone can enter a lvl 30 with a new lvl 80 ranger with blue gear, as long as they have another toon at the required level…
And what is the problem with an improved system? The rewards to begin with were trash there was no reason aside from bragging rights to even do 30+ fractals. The new system is better and you will be better rewarded for your efforts this time around. How is that a bad thing? Also if you want people to sympathize with you, stop mentioning others having an easier time because that just makes you look like an elitist.
It does seem quite lame you just get reset without getting anything in return.
Especially for people with multiple level 50’s for instance.I honestly don’t care about people who exploited their way to get level 50+. It was obvious you weren’t supposed to do this.
Perhaps give people some kind of reward for every level from 30 – 50 they had?
Would seem like a reasonable solution to sooth some of the hatred.The reward is probably going to be everything you get progressing back up to 50
I don’t really care about the new rewards much except for picking the skin. I’m mainly kitten ed that I spent time getting multiple toons to 50 and all the money and time I put into this dam game to get that far just to have it reset without any compensation.
You say the new rewards are compensation? Then only those 30-50 should get them, there is no compensation for our time or gold stop pretending there is.
I bought a car for 50,000 dollars. It’s now 20,000 dollars and comes with more stuff. RABBLE RABBLE I WANT A REFUND FOR MY HIGHER EXPENDATURES AND I WANT A FREE CAR WITH ALL THE NEW BELLS AND WHISTLES FOR MY TROUBLE!!
No.
Did I ask for the new rewards? kitten no, I was happy with the system as it was but if your going to kitten my level up and waste my god kitten time then I deserve something in return.
Yep, which kitten es me of as I have spent time and money to level these characters up for more rewards per day which now is obsolete. Not to mention the new swarm of kittenty kitten pugs that will plague us all. I for sure will be doing alot more kicking of those kitten longbow + bear rangers
“Oh no other players will want to do FoTM now that it has better rewards! WHAT CASUALS!” Get off your high horse and stop being elitist.
I would if they would learn to play their kittening class and contribute to the group instead of running a class they hardly know with kitten gear. Don’t pretend you don’t know what we’re talking about.
We should at least be rewarded for having leveled a second character which is extremely time consuming. Now pretty much everyone can enter a lvl 30 with a new lvl 80 ranger with blue gear, as long as they have another toon at the required level…
And what is the problem with an improved system? The rewards to begin with were trash there was no reason aside from bragging rights to even do 30+ fractals. The new system is better and you will be better rewarded for your efforts this time around. How is that a bad thing? Also if you want people to sympathize with you, stop mentioning others having an easier time because that just makes you look like an elitist.
It does seem quite lame you just get reset without getting anything in return.
Especially for people with multiple level 50’s for instance.I honestly don’t care about people who exploited their way to get level 50+. It was obvious you weren’t supposed to do this.
Perhaps give people some kind of reward for every level from 30 – 50 they had?
Would seem like a reasonable solution to sooth some of the hatred.The reward is probably going to be everything you get progressing back up to 50
I don’t really care about the new rewards much except for picking the skin. I’m mainly kitten ed that I spent time getting multiple toons to 50 and all the money and time I put into this dam game to get that far just to have it reset without any compensation.
You say the new rewards are compensation? Then only those 30-50 should get them, there is no compensation for our time or gold stop pretending there is.
Who cares about how the new AR is going to be obtained ?
What we wanna know is what happens to all the gold, mats and relics that have been spent to obtain the current 55 AR.
as i understand it, you will essentially have the same AR
the difference is that the natural one called infused will now be upgradeable.
the other infusion slot will stay the same
I get the same feeling except that they will reset your current infusion leaving you with +5 on infused items which would effectively reduce your AR by 15. I sure hope this isn’t the case though
Eh, something is better than nothing. I’m just happy I can finally get the skin I want.
Glad to know, thank you for shedding some light
Unfortunately the change doesn’t apply to items that have already been acquired. Ultimately that’s what I wanted but there was a pretty severe technical limitation on this, so we thought it would be better to make the newly items work this way rather than postpone the conversion any longer.
Also, at higher Fractal levels the weapon skins become more common, and also start dropping in a container that lets you pick the one you want.
This just made up for the rest of the patch! Thank you guys!
I agree with you guys completely, first dungeons now this. I leveled multiple characters to get rewards more than once a day. They are now nerfing the rewards and destroying all my hard work. Thanks alot ANet. >.<
I think they will leave the AR requirements the same at least I would hope so. If they set us back in AR or take it away from what I already have and worked hard to earn I will probably never step in a fractal again which is one of the only reasons I am still playing this game. So long as they don’t take away any of my 55 AR I will be happy the new fractals look interesting but this patch could go end a few different ways.
Coming from someone who has done well over 500 fractals across all my characters and leveled multiple up into the 30’s and 40’s I have only ever received ONE fractal skin a pistol which none of my characters can use except Mesmer but I don’t like how it looks like my gear!
The only reason I started doing them in the first place was for the skins specifically Hammer, Axe, Mace, Longbow, Greatsword. None of which I have ever received just the piece of crap pistol. I know several people who have just made it to fotm 28 and received most of these and are quite nooby at fractals.
There is nothing hard about getting these skins its pure RNG and I would much prefer them get rid of the change to drop them all together and drop pieces that you can use to make your own weapon that you actually want or make it possible to combine relics and other mats in the forge to make them. But I’m very doubtful at this point ANet will care about us enough to do this. Instead they like to screw us and all of our hard work.
I agree I love dungeons and this was one of the most thought out paths I have seen up till this point. The mechanics were awesome and would absolutely love to see more content like this in the feature.
Also the touch of events after was quite interesting as well. However, I doubt I will run this path frequently if the rewards are reduced since it takes a fair bit of time to run for a measly 2g
Sounds good! Please let us know when you guys are planning to take down the beast!
I second gwawer plea, we are in desperate need of your help!
I’ll gladly join in for some revenge on that evil beast!
That would be completely fine by me. I’m so tired of playing my Mesmer in fractals but don’t want to level up my new main as there is nothing rewarding about fractals until around level 20+ I usually only do them once a day anyways.
You won’t be able to farm it, tokens and gold are now once per day per path. Try it out and see you’ll only get 60 tokens first run and nothing on future runs.
I think its time to move on, love dungeons and now their pointless
Don’t bother with dungeons anymore, no point to do them after today’s patch
but with that combo i wouldnt have a ranged weapon
@titanimite-id appreciate the input,and future advice,is 30/10/0/0/30 bad?would have the 2 grandmaster talents that enable great crit %,would lose however very good traits in arms tho
For dungeons I never really use a ranged weapon, there are few when I do as well as in fractals but then you swap out one of your sets for a Longbow. Since I run Axe / Mace + Axe/Axe for pure melee I just swap Axe/Axe for longbow since the /Axe is not very good in PvE unless your at least hitting 5 mobs.
You can run 30/10/0/0/30 if you would like for vuln stacking but you will actually lose out on DPS vs running a 30/0/0/10/30 with Empowered or Empowered Allies. Currently with Axe/Mace I can keep at least 12 stacks of vuln up at all times and 14 stacks of might easily. I’ll create a build on intothemists and post it here if you want to try it out. Ran in CoF with it last night and it works just like before!
If you want you can use GS + Axe/Mace with a 30/25/0/0/15 build however you will significantly lose out on DPS as well as being rooted with GS #2. Personally it just fits my play style better, I’ve always loved Axe just GS had a better burst now they are comparable.
I’ve always just run glass cannon, my reasoning for this is if you do any kind of the PvE content all of the mobs are predictable learn their tells and its game. Plus in high level fractals and harder dungeons all of the bosses can 1 shot you even in a full defense spec.
Then any of the builds I’ve listed will work for you. If you want a full build I can put one together but you should be able to figure it out from the trait setup.
Yeah, the same one you’ve been running since the beginning of time minus Heightened Focus.
Yep exactly, but there is no way to get it without losing out on GS DPS either way you loose a trait. Best DPS I’ve found thus far is Axe / Mace with 30/0/0/10/30 and with Longbow on swap. If you still want GS take 10 in tactics for Empowered or Empowered Allies best you can do right now.
I haven’t tried a GS build since the patch as I really don’t like GS in general with the #2 root and lack luster damage now. However, that said I’ve seen 30/30/0/10/0 as about the best you can get with GS. Or you can go 30/25/0/0/15
@Trevos
Looks like your trying to go DPS but holding back for suitability a bit. If your in an organized group or PvE in general its better to just go straight berserker’s as most attacks can be dodged and high level fractals will one shot you anyways.
Also, your 10 points in Arm could be dropped for 10 in Tactics which would give you Empowered Allies for around an 8% DPS boost party wide. Or if you want pick up Empowered since you should have around 4 boons up yourself anyways resulting in about 8% personal DPS boost. Also with tactics you can go Axe / Mace with Longbow for a secondary and drop Axe / Axe since Axe off hand still is lower than auto attack except in PvP (Unless your hitting at least 5 mobs)
This is what I am running now and get comparable DPS to my old build however I prefer it a bit more as I never really cared for GS.
Come to think of it, I believe this trait is bugged. I am seeing the same results in my hero panel. I guess I’ll head to PvP to test it out on the golems.
Well currently your build is more hammer focused which in my mind is for mitigating damage with the use of CC which is geared towards PvP and WvW. Both are all about control.
In dungeons and fotm, most mobs ignore your CC or have Defiant stacks making hammer sub pair in these situations.
I’ve actually switched to a Axe / Mace and Longbow or Sword / Axe build now which I much prefer over GS (the only good thing about it was 100 blades which rooted). Mace also gives a bit of CC and with the vuln stacks damage is still pretty good.
If your curious. I’m running 30/0/0/10/30
I was actually very skeptical of the patch yesterday. However, I really do think that in the end it will be good overall of the game.
I am currently running a 30/0/0/10/30 build with Axe / Mace and Longbow pure glass cannon. Mobility and damage are about the same as before but I like having the Longbow instead of being force to use the GS to maximize my DPS. I do have a few minor complains but I’m sure they will be sorted out in the next patches.
Thanks for the responses.
Forget what Titanimite said. At the very least in PvE, Phantasms got a substantial HP buff. More so with the now finally functional (nerfed but with the increased base-HP still very powerful) Signet of Illusions.
Longer-CD as the Phantasms might be, they are quite durable. I actually found myself using the Defender in the instance earlier, without being specced for it.
Not bad at all now.This is what I figured. Slower time to get up to speed for phantasms, basically, but it remains to be seen how much the turnover matters.
Still I have nothing to compare it to, though. Are shatter mesmers capable of respectable sustained DPS in dungeons?
Yes, I used to run a shatter Mesmer in organized dungeons and you CAN get very good sustained DPS n burst DPS still have yet to try it since the patch
Well, theres not really any limitations to playing more than 1 character, but considering the lackluster looks of light armor and the shatter mechanic being horribly dull to play with, I might go elementalist again.
Dude you’ve got to be kidding..Ele was nerfed as well
Well isn’t blured frenzy breaking the shatter build as the burst can only apply with a much lower rate ?
It affects it yes, but its not completely broken
I feel like the immortal mesmer and other high retaliation builds suffer immensely from this. Retaliation is their highest source of damage…. You probably can see where this is going now.
I was very excited for this patch. I dreamt of not having a single useless trait, all useless ones got reworked and what came out of it was a beautiful and deeo game where you could spend hours just over thinking which traits to out in each slot.
they messed up
Right now all theyre doing is forcing us to take other useless or semi usefull traits because the very usefull ones from the past were made not very usefull…
They literally said they were not goin to nerf much…they lied, this patch is mostly bad things for the mesmer and they decreased build diversity instead if increasing it.
Exactly
Interested in this as well
In simple terms: Blurred Frenzy will now no longer work against the Fractal JadeMaw’s laser beam attack…sadness.
Given that evading due to a dodge works just fine in Jade Maw, why wouldn’t evading due to a skill?
Good question, ask ANet
Illusionary Celerity being a 25 points trait actually makes sense by itself. BUT! The problem is it’s in the Illusions traits tree, which gives +condition damage and -Shatter Cooldown.
This means only Shatter and Condition builds benefit from speccing so deep into the tree. Condition builds are already weak due to their lack of ability to damage more than a single opponent at a time unless they use Cry of Frustration which is on a 22 seconds cooldown. This leaves Shatter builds as some of the few viable builds, in sPvP at least.
If Phantasms were nerfed -20% in damage across the board, it would have been a better change than the Illusionary Celerity placement – Doing your main source of damage on 16 seconds cooldown is really not viable in team fights.
If it was in a different tree maybe. But it should be easily accessible because the Mesmer is focused around Illusions, Clones, n Phantasms. There should have been a nerf only in PvP. Mesmer was balanced in team fights pre patch with all the bugs.
The problem is that Phantasm die very quick same with illusions and even more so after the patch. They took away Illusionists Celerity (moved it up higher in the tree) which allows you faster cool down on phantasm and clone generation skills. Not to mention the Signet of Illusions nerf.
This basically renders most phantasm builds useless and it is impossible now to keep anything clone or phantasm up for long. The only viable spec is Shatter.
Please wipe this thread, now obsolete
The question raised is what do you do with the gains from Interrupts when you’ve almost completely traited into the Interrupts themselves? With SoI you have a great support option but is that all we can manage?
Interrupts are damage mitigation and by that definition provides support for your team to DPS. So yes, this is the best you can do with a interrupt spec.
Been testing an interrupt build all afternoon, I’d like to believe it is possible but it feels too clunky. The mantra obviously requires charging, which sucks in and of itself, and the signet requires you to be facing your opponent and has a lame passive. The cooldowns on both these utilities aren’t the best. Assuming you want to maximize your choice of stuns, you have to work in a pistol, which isn’t the best of offhands. You also likely want to invest 30 into Domination and at least 20 into Chaos, but then are left with 10-20 points to put… pretty much nowhere useful. The whole thing lacks finesse and flow and while you can chain-stun people with a lot of luck, you’ll find yourself out of tricks and scrambling to survive. If you had significant burst to accompany the lockdown it might work, but the trees you have to invest in don’t really lend themselves to that.
As Pyroatheist stated, actually interrupting an ability is more like blind luck than a skill-shot and is utterly unreliable. And you’re bending over backwards to interrupt people for what? Maybe 5 might and some random conditions? It doesn’t seem worth it.
Its not worth it, the blind condition from Thief Black Powder works so much better than the Mesmer Interrupt build.
This is going to be nice seeing all of the fair weather Mesmers loudly taking their bandwagon boat home.
This is a game played for recreation in people’s free time. It is not a job, it is not a religion, heck, it’s not even like rooting for your local sports franchise, as games are mostly non-territorial. We are all fair weather gamers. If a better game came along or if this one isn’t fun anymore you quit.
If the game isn’t fun and you don’t quit, you may have a problem.
No one could have said this better
Not sure right now, you can try Shatter Cat Heavy 2.0 by Osicat. Was the best heavy build before the Mesmer class destruction patch however it may not work as well anymore.
No one knows how powerful the interrupt builds are going to be yet. I doubt in the past few hours anyone has completely geared there character and learned the rotation. The buff to PU was pretty huge. Making a lot of stealth builds even better. The same thing with Torment, you all have been using it for a couple hours tops. Maybe try it for a week before you start condemning it.
They did add diversity. Most of the people complaining are angry because of one trait move. And that’s it.
True, but that trait and the HP of our clones was crucial to any build. We are a clone and phantasm based class after all and both have been nerfed extremely hard.