I dread getting a ranger in my group when I decide to pug it. I would never kick someone for it but yeah. On average they just suck so bad. Necros and Engineers are perfectly fine.
The tool tip for the second tier of the Cannon Mastery and Ballista Mastery abilities shows the wrong percent increase. The tool tip for both of these should say that it increases damage by 25%
Honestly it doesn’t make no sense by comparison with the defensive stats against siege weapons increase (25% vs 5%) unless those are wrong as well. They should balance each other out offense and defense.
5% reduced damage from all types of siege – Rams, Catapults, Trebuchets, Ballistae, Arrow Carts, Golems, Burning Oil, Cannons, Mortars.
vs.
25% increased damage from ballistae or cannons.
Seems fine to me.
So, basically 45% reduced damage from Siege if you take them all into account. That seems reasonable to me.
Your math is way off lol. MrHaze said it correctly.
Cry more please. This is the greatest thing that has ever happened to wvw and fools still try and make it look bad. Anet have done a terrific job with this patch, wvw needed more participation and now it has it.
Yeah sure if you want to pay per month for a kitten single player port then by all means ESO is for you. It has the dodgiest server system I have ever seen in a mmo and once the novelty of the elder scrolls lore wears off its going to crash and burn.
Guild wars 2 will always be here free of charge.
If I didn’t have guild responsibilitys I would take this opportunity to go to sfr in a heartbeat. Sick of the na scene and the crappy meta. As an Aussie my ping is equally kitten in both regions. So that’s a non factor.
While you may not want gold to transfer TO a world, perhaps you would be interested in gold to stop you from transferring to JQ?
This aha. Though I more or less feel the same about blackgate. So so stacked. I am forever supporting SOR in their quest for no.1. now that my own server is out of the running.
In my opinion, the reason Grekkz is making this post so that no misunderstanding happens and also get a feel for how the other server works before we transfer. We will not be receiving any offers of gold to transfer also as stated so it is not a buyout. We will still return to guest in SoS because we have many alliances there that we do guild missions together and will continue to do so.
That’s really good to hear. Ill see you around then.
So AFS is definitely leaving then? That’s a real shame. Its been honor to play with you guys it really has. You’re the definition of the attitude that SOS strides to achieve and I feel in many ways you will be missed more than the others that have left before you.
In your place I would actually consider EU.
Having played there before the difference in ping is negligible(Anet get your kitten together and set a new region for OCEANIC and SEA) its a different scene with different servers. Less Scavenging for transfers and more getting your hands dirty and killing stuff.
JQ and BG are already stacked to high hell they sure don’t need anyone else, that leaves SOR. If it has to be Na, go SOR. You guys are a top notch SEA guild anything less than t1 isn’t good enough for you and quite honestly SOR has the more stable community of the t1 servers.
Hope to fight alongside you again one day
Interesting. I thought SoR was some awesome server?
He’s just a troll.
I have never seen this guy or his guild before.
Because you are online 24/7 and you know every player and guild on a first name basis. Just because you don’t agree with him doesn’t mean he’s a troll. Each to their own. I have had the most fun in wvw at t3 level so I would choose one of those servers. Just my 2 cents.
You do realise that rams have a different siege cap altogether from the other types of siege? Placing flame rams will have zero impact on your defensive capabilities and vice versa. Apart from the wasted supply which is a different matter entirely.
Please explain. I remember having 50 flame rams in our EB keep, and personally as well as many others were not able to place any other type of siege anywhere else on the map. No balista to take out trebs. No trebs to take out trebs. No arrow carts. Even the ramma spamma was unable to drop more rams and moved on to another map. The only thing we could make were golems.
This was revealed by one of the devs in that wvw question and answers thread floating around from a few weeks back. I think from memory they stated the despawn timer as half an hour as well.
You do realise that rams have a different siege cap altogether from the other types of siege? Placing flame rams will have zero impact on your defensive capabilities and vice versa. Apart from the wasted supply which is a different matter entirely.
Extremely amazing fights in SoS BL, especially with the SoS in Hills. 3 ways fight at the start and DB finally got hills after a long and hard battle. Good fight, everyone.
As for SoS, can you ask your scout to back off from us? She had been following us everywhere like a dog and we can’t shake her off!
Funny SoS and DB been kissing each other’s rears for hours again taking YB
There is no love lost between db and SOS, but outside na times yb is basically free points.
yawn well SOS seems to be beating you right now so… I guess that “one good thing” is one too many for you to handle. I notice you revived the dead yaks bend recruitment thread asking for more Oceanics. If you want more Oceanics kitten talking the servers they reside in seems like a very dumb idea. Just my two cents.
It is certainly possible for a server to be divided on this type of issue. Perosnally, I would welcome an influx of oceanics to Mags… Just enough to give us a shot to hold our own against DB. But some of our other players don’t want an increase in population and a mindless zerg mentality. I certainly respect their feelings on the matter, but we are definitely of divided opinion. I imagine yaks would be the same way.
I’m actually pretty keen for mags to join the match up. Hopefully you guys bring some new ideas and strats.
Good battles today, and like always well played Tsym you guys are the only good thing left on SoS.
Also second night in a row we rallied to 2nd place, and here is when we all realized that SoS and CD are equals, the only thing holding them on this tier is their PvDoor crew, who feeds on the bones of others when they sleep.
Good night people, keep the good encounters coming!.
yawn well SOS seems to be beating you right now so… I guess that “one good thing” is one too many for you to handle. I notice you revived the dead yaks bend recruitment thread asking for more Oceanics. If you want more Oceanics kitten talking the servers they reside in seems like a very dumb idea. Just my two cents.
It’s a conspiracy. We secretly threw the last match on purpose just so we could stay with you guys in t3. :-p all jokes aside, this is my favourite tier so far. Speaking personally I’m perfectly happy staying indefinitely.
Mesmer was the last class released, its not that uncommon for things that are developed later to see a power creep. They also seem always almost proud of boasting the ele as king of versatility, which can easily be read as best at whatever role they want to do, often at the same time.
They don’t want to nerf a top build they say, but rather bring other stuff up. That would be fine if it was happening at a quick pace but its not. The minor buffs they have given here or there to, so far, mostly non popular builds and skills, still haven’t even gotten those up on even footing, so for every profession to reach the place of the strongest couple builds, its going to take years. Which is not good enough.
Was the Mesmer actually the last class released? Think they’re op now, should have seen them in gw1 lol. I find it hard to believe that the mesmer as a returning class from gw1 (like the necro) would be the last developed. In any case as a necro, I find mesmers to be one of the easier classes to deal with.
Guild wars 2 is like pokemon, every class has other classes that you’re going to be strong against and ones you’re going to suck at fighting. This can of course, be overcome with skill, technique and stats. There is a lot that could be improved with the necro, but it’s still an exceptionally fun class to play and overall I’m quite happy with it.
I am really sorry that your mass recruiting didn’t create long term, dedicated members for your community. I know, its a shock to think fickle, bandwagon, players from other servers wouldn’t just set roots and be content. We are all as surprised as you are.
Is what it is, all the “T1 or nothing” people that were on SoS moved to BG, so any lingering bitterness towards the players that originally bandwagoned from DB to SoS should be directed elsewhere. All we have now is the usual pug players and a few assorted guilds that are just out to have fun, which seems to be pretty much the case with DB and YB too. This is the part where a guy who doesn’t really know how to play the guitar at a campfire starts singing kumbaya or something =)
I wasn’t on DB so I could care less about that stuff. I just objected to your sad story.
I object to your attitude. We lost a lot of day one SOS guilds as well, they weren’t just new recruits, but I wouldn’t expect you to understand that. Times like this I like to say “look at the scoreboard” now please talk more kitten.
<insert random link to someone playing sad songs with a tiny violin>
Most servers have been through through an exodus by now. SoS is neither unique or special in this regard so stop acting like you are. SoS is largely responsible for their own exodus, which makes your sad story even more pathetic.
As for the scoreboard comment… that makes your sad story a funny one. Welcome to T3.
Where did anyone say SOS was a special case? I think your reading comprehension needs a little work. Winning is winning regardless of the tier. If you’re going to talk kitten at least have the ability to back it up. So far we are the most successful post mass exodus server and the only qq ing I see here is from you.
This thread is pure gold. Makes the Jade Quarry posts in NA t1 seem tame by comparison. good to see viz losing, everyone has gotta lose sometime it’s character building. I’m sure they will come back stronger than ever.
The opposite,
DB was in a really good place for the first few weeks/first month after release and then we got hit with a guild exodus, like many other servers. With about half of those guilds leaving for SoS (I think the bulk of the rest of them went to Jade Quarry, but my memory isn’t what it used to be).
Then we, like many other servers, lost week after week until we fell down far enough to be competitive again and start rebuilding.
I have since forgotten all the guilds that left, except tsym, but that’s just a fluke of my memory more than anything.
/I/ consider it a friendly rivalry, but there seem to be others on DB out for blood.
If I’ve missed anything, anyone on DB who is sober more often than I am might be able to fill in the blanks. ;D
We had a really high win percentage on Dragonbrand while the 24 hour matches were going on. We did really well until we hit what was, I believe, tier 2. That match, Blackgate absolutely massacred us. We were bumped back down to tier 3, lost to Crystal Desert that week, and the major alliance of WvW guilds decided they had enough of losing (after just those losses).
They did some research and found that SoS was the unofficial Aussie server at the time. Combined with their fairly strong standing in their own tier 4, they decided to exodus to SoS in order to have guaranteed coverage overnight and theoretically have a strong all-around server. So they left, and the very next week SoS moved up to tier 3, where DB was slaughtered by former brothers-in-arms.
At one point in time I had made it a point to remember the guilds that abandoned us, just for a time like this. Sadly, the only one I can actually remember is Tsym because of a few fuzzy memories where I fought their zerg by myself at keeps that week. So while I would like to say that I’m out for blood, too much time has passed and too much has happened to SoS for me to justify dwelling on those memories. So good luck to SoS in the future, and hope you guys stick around a few weeks.
Would be interesting if people could name the guilds that left DB for SoS way back when, and identify where they are now though.
Dragonriders [DR] The industry [work] Applied tactics [atac] Onslaught [ons] Violent Impact[VI] Tsym [Tsym] All on blackgate now apart from Tsym. They also left after we only lost twice and were still in t1. :-p
I am really sorry that your mass recruiting didn’t create long term, dedicated members for your community. I know, its a shock to think fickle, bandwagon, players from other servers wouldn’t just set roots and be content. We are all as surprised as you are.
Is what it is, all the “T1 or nothing” people that were on SoS moved to BG, so any lingering bitterness towards the players that originally bandwagoned from DB to SoS should be directed elsewhere. All we have now is the usual pug players and a few assorted guilds that are just out to have fun, which seems to be pretty much the case with DB and YB too. This is the part where a guy who doesn’t really know how to play the guitar at a campfire starts singing kumbaya or something =)
I wasn’t on DB so I could care less about that stuff. I just objected to your sad story.
I object to your attitude. We lost a lot of day one SOS guilds as well, they weren’t just new recruits, but I wouldn’t expect you to understand that. Times like this I like to say “look at the scoreboard” now please talk more kitten.
Massive props the Dragonbrand Oceanic/SEA crew. Truly amazing fights at a scale that Only Foo and WM can match. The guilds that say there are no good oceanic fights below t1 Cough ND, MERC Cough have no idea what the blazes they’re talking about. If you guys could get some more numbers and greater coverage you would give those guilds a run for their money. Loving t3 so far, not looking forward to jumping back up again.
For us Yak’s Benders, what is the story here with SoS and DB. I’m not asking for any drama creation either, but rather just the very basics, did like half of SoS go to DB at some point.
Generally cultivating some rivalries can be a very good thing for a game like this, as long as people can be good natured about it, or at least here on the official forums.
The opposite,
DB was in a really good place for the first few weeks/first month after release and then we got hit with a guild exodus, like many other servers. With about half of those guilds leaving for SoS (I think the bulk of the rest of them went to Jade Quarry, but my memory isn’t what it used to be).
Then we, like many other servers, lost week after week until we fell down far enough to be competitive again and start rebuilding.
I have since forgotten all the guilds that left, except tsym, but that’s just a fluke of my memory more than anything.
/I/ consider it a friendly rivalry, but there seem to be others on DB out for blood.
If I’ve missed anything, anyone on DB who is sober more often than I am might be able to fill in the blanks. ;D
To be fair, db were getting belted for weeks even before they left. Actually I think that was largely the reason for their departure.
SoS wiping YB off the map during the night looks something like this:
A dozen YB defenders building/manning siege in a keep. SoS breaks in the outer gate, gets immediately wiped by defenders in inner (YB never knows exactly how many SoS there are due to culling). SoS comes back, tries to build catapults to get past inner, and gets wiped again, and same thing once more. SoS then decides to stay back and treb a wall down. After a while, YB defenders have fallen asleep waiting, counting badges like sheep.
In your dreams buddy. You got the sleep part right. :-p
Oh, you’re entirely right, I’ve been on that end as well, and found it utterly boring and lame. Why people interested in WvW would not want a system that creates more challenge though, I don’t know. But unless Anet continues to hear its flaws then no it won’t change.
A good WvW system really shouldn’t match based on total points servers can gain in a week, but rather on which matchups would provide the best player experience. Which means getting the most players to actually PVP each other and not so much PVE, which is what mostly happens at 600+ PPT, which happened the other night.
But yes, you can (have to) ignore the scoreboard often at T3 or below, but its just a shame, because there are solutions. I’ll let it go there because we’ve beaten it a good bit, but every time a new match like this happens, you see one of the flaws holding this game mode back.
Its more than just t3 below. There are literally four current servers in the entire game that don’t need to concern themselves with this issue. Three in na (blackgate, Jade quarry and strangely enough due to their coverage and being stuck in t8, Sorrows Furnace) and one in EU (Vizunah) its a very real problem for EVERY other server. We literally have about 20-30% of the wvw population and coverage that we had at our peak. I know your pain, believe me. Its just for sos the coverage issue shows in t2 rather than t3.
I think it’s time that everyone realised that THERE IS NO OFF-PEAK.
For 6 out of 8 tiers there is, which can make for a pretty broken system. No, it shouldn’t be belabored ideally, but some refuse to accept it for some reason.
The servers in tier 1 and 2 have realised this and dominate because of it.
They didn’t realize jack. That is just the few servers that enough people bandwagoned on to that already had the precious off peak coverage. But when those servers get evacuated, indeed like happened to SoS, they kind of bob up and down in a no man’s land where they are dominate half the time, either winning due to utter off peak dominance, or not being able to compete with the servers that can somewhat match them, due to not enough NA support.
No point complaining, just recruit guilds in other time zones, move your guild to a different server or wait until you are in a tier which suits your server’s coverage.
It’s not really based on tier past T2. If as I alluded to TC falls int this tier, or Mag comes up, though TC is stronger overall, their strong point coverage is much more compatible to that of a lower tier server, as you can see in their income chart, they have similar dip when its primetime in oceanic.
I applaud people that stick with their server though, its not the fault of where people started, but more Anet not finding adequate solutions. But the ones saying its not a big deal are usually the people on the free zerg karma train that rarely have to be on the other end of it.
It will be interesting to see if the March update has any new ideas for this. Or maybe best hope it brings out enough casuals to where more servers can compete 24/7.
It is what is it, and It seems unlikely that its going to change. Go out and enjoy the fights for whatever timezone you play in and ignore the overall score. That’s what I do and it works fine for me. No point getting worked up about what you cant change. You win some, and you lose some. Coverage is entirely relative anyway drop down another two or three tiers and I guarantee you the other servers from that bracket would be complaining about YOUR off peak presence and they would be as correct as you are.
That score update shows YB’s usual one-eyed obsession with Stonemist. Just my opinion & I know I’ve said it before, but if the manpower & resources that we throw at that kitten in EB were put into defending/sieging other targets then our ppt would be much healthier.
I should just ignore the scoreboard & accept that people will play the game the way they want to, but as a defence orientated player I do find it a bit frustrating.
Please, that snapshot is hardly representative of whats been going on today. The score only looked like that for about an hour. YB led the PPT for most of the 6 hours prior to that with only 4-5 Keeps and no SMC by wining the small-ball.
ROFL I go to sleep and we are all out OWNING… I wake up to see we got night capped and sent to last place… ANet needs to make actual region locked servers. Clearly for WVW only. I don’t care if you have North American friends. That’s fine. Guest to them for PVE dungeons. But this whole flimsy system for WvW is just plain bad.
I play on a North American server… During North American primetime we dominate. Then the oceanic guilds get on a NA server and we lose… I’m living in the twilight zone if I’m the only person who sees the flaw in this system.
I’m not completely bitter. I’m happy to see Yak’s stepped up in T3 during NA primetime and was destroying. Way to represent. =D There is no shame in losing to oceanic when you play on an NA server. We need tougher immigration reform! Vote for me!
I’m about to go to sleep, don’t you go and night cap me too hard now.
Point sailed right over your head. You should have your own server if you’re Oceanic. If you’re European you should be on a European server.
If you’re North American sleeping you have nothing to worry about because it is a North American server. Prime time will have you covered.
The only reason SoS oceanic team took everything during the night is because they had no opposition. They sit at the bottom of the scoreboard all during NA daylight hours then jack up to 600 potential points at night because they get a free sweep.
Flawed system.
Judging your na coverage to be better than a new opponent after reset night is foolish. SOS na wooped your backside tonight, so maybe you should rethink the wording of you next excuse.
Our reset coverage has always been much better than our weekend coverage, which has always been much better than our weekday. Even so, to what do you refer? The score was very close all NA shift, in fact YB held the lead for most of it.
Oh truly? My mistake. I guess the 3-4 hours I was online for wasn’t indicative of the entire night. My point still stands however.
ROFL I go to sleep and we are all out OWNING… I wake up to see we got night capped and sent to last place… ANet needs to make actual region locked servers. Clearly for WVW only. I don’t care if you have North American friends. That’s fine. Guest to them for PVE dungeons. But this whole flimsy system for WvW is just plain bad.
I play on a North American server… During North American primetime we dominate. Then the oceanic guilds get on a NA server and we lose… I’m living in the twilight zone if I’m the only person who sees the flaw in this system.
I’m not completely bitter. I’m happy to see Yak’s stepped up in T3 during NA primetime and was destroying. Way to represent. =D There is no shame in losing to oceanic when you play on an NA server. We need tougher immigration reform! Vote for me!
I’m about to go to sleep, don’t you go and night cap me too hard now.
Point sailed right over your head. You should have your own server if you’re Oceanic. If you’re European you should be on a European server.
If you’re North American sleeping you have nothing to worry about because it is a North American server. Prime time will have you covered.
The only reason SoS oceanic team took everything during the night is because they had no opposition. They sit at the bottom of the scoreboard all during NA daylight hours then jack up to 600 potential points at night because they get a free sweep.
Flawed system.
Judging your na coverage to be better than a new opponent after reset night is foolish. SOS na wooped your backside tonight, so maybe you should rethink the wording of you next excuse.
Lawl the most stacked server in the game complaining about overpopulation. Anet are not going to modify the game just because blackgate invited every guild under the sun to join them. Maybe you should think about that in advance next time….
As long as the servers stand in the EU its fine with me if the Us players get bad ping.
Nice attitude. Trust me if one or the other has to get bad ping it will be euro. Anet are American after all.
Which, I think, is exactly his point. The majority of this thread has been about “EU players will be fine connecting to NA”. He was probably trying to bait a response like that in order to reveal the irony that is rife in this thread.
Maybe. I’m oceanic so my ping is terrible regardless. I think it’s a bad idea but won’t effect me much in any case.
I only see one problem with this..who would want to be paired with a German or French speaking server? (No offence to them, I’m just talking about the language barrier).
I’m pretty sure most Americans aren’t that great at French or German (do they even teach you foreign languages in the USA- oh wait, Mexican is your most spoken language!), so don’t think the ‘merge servers’ idea would fly.
What would be much more fun would be server vs server match ups across the regions on a 30 vs 30 basis (or choose, from 10,15,20,25,30 and join a queue for a match up with your guild/server), where guild vs guild battles can take place and a rating table for each size battle can be seen- guild with most players gets the points, even if players from other guilds took part, with partial points for those other guilds and of course individual point tables too based on battle wins not personal kills (so support classes get equal ratings). Oh wait. I’m dreaming of something that was already done, with great success, in GW1- Guild Wars.
You would be surprised how many Germans and French have passable English. I don’t think language is a barrier in this. Its not like you can speak to players from opposing servers anyway. :-p
This would be a very terrible idea. It would help the top two tiers in both regions and screw over everyone else big time. Enjoy pvdoor? I hope so, because your opponents prime times wouldn’t overlap so it would be a Pvdoor fest 24/7 with no skill and no real fighting. Then there is the lag issue. Unless you want arena net to dump the servers in the middle of the Atlantic ocean one region or the other would have to suffer serious lag and terrible ping. The qq would get even worse than it already is. Things won’t change, nor should they.
I just want to bump this up and ask, has anyone been even CLOSE to completing any one of the achievements under WvW. I mean i’ve been playing since release and I’ve got 1k+ wvw kills playing casually. I imagine more hardcore players are probably at least 20x my amount… so lets say 20,000 kills/250,000 is still another 6 years before anyone gets the killing achievement? Likewise with everything else. Anet really wanted to make these achievements as close to impossible as possible eh.
Red Guard guild leader has around 170k kills.
Must be a higher tier thing. I’ve never heard of anyone with more than 25k in tier 7.
Hes the guild leader of the best killing machine known in this game. That many kills is far from the norm even in the top tiers.
You will have to forgive me for not being delighted that one of the last oceanic guilds on the last oceanic server is jumping ship. One has to wonder if the other guilds that were planning on staying will reassess their position. We also lost Zero Negative today so yeah…
Much respect to both FA and Kain. You all fight hard. SoS will continue to battle until they turn out the lights on us.
/salute
You guys are definitely doing really well against everything that has happened. If you don’t stay in tier 2, I have a feeling you will be back eventually. I’ve come to respect SoS once the fat has been shaved so to speak – the bandwagon fat. Those that stayed are the guilds that are the truly respectable ones. Keep it up guys!
Well we lost another two guilds today, and not small ones either. Bleh, just keeps getting worse.
Much respect to both FA and Kain. You all fight hard. SoS will continue to battle until they turn out the lights on us.
/salute
You guys are definitely doing really well against everything that has happened. If you don’t stay in tier 2, I have a feeling you will be back eventually. I’ve come to respect SoS once the fat has been shaved so to speak – the bandwagon fat. Those that stayed are the guilds that are the truly respectable ones. Keep it up guys!
Well we lost another two guilds today, and not small ones either. Bleh, just keeps getting worse.
No just no… I have a lot of pride in my server and even should we rank last I still wouldn’t want to merge with another. Having 24/7 zergs isn’t everything and some of us don’t find doing that enjoyable.
I suppose they want a shot at all the guilds that left SoS for BG, a little pay back I guess. If you’re on JQ make sure to sign up on the calender for the workshop they will be holding on Saturday. Always nice to learn new tactics!
Ill see you around then.
