Guild Wars 2

khulse.4896:

Draknar.5748:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Ok, the point the OP was trying to make went over your head. Completely.
Np

Wasn’t the OP’s point that for starters he felt he got ripped off due to purchasing xmute stones before feature patch, but beyond that he’s most upset at the lack of communication from Anet? (i.e. he got no response from them; the “echoing silence” as OP stated)

So Vayne here linked a post from Anet (on these here official GW2 forums) that said basically if you are unhappy with items you’ve purchased due to a change in the way they are now implemented, you may request a refund, because they understand that it would be frustrating for someone to buy something on gem store and then a week later have that item’s functionality change. (which ironically is the exact thing that the OP wanted Anet to say and all would have been peachy, according to OP)

Therefore it wasn’t Anet that failed to communicate to OP, but OP not taking it upon himself to follow up on Anet’s offer for a refund? I know it’s risky siding with Vayne on the forums, but I think he understood the OP just fine.

All it comes down to is that OP didn’t see that message, didn’t inquire about a refund, and then made the decision to quit based off of that. Who knows, after seeing that Anet did in fact do what he wanted them to do, he may very well come back to the game. Or his pride will get in the way.

OP did see that message at the time. OP’s understanding of that message was part of the reason OP was unhappy.

You see, they listed several specific items. Stones were not among them. That would be fine, if I was the only person to bring it up. I wasn’t. They did NOT say that you could request a refund on any item you were unhapy with. They said

Gem refunds for items you are unhappy with due to changes in the way the item functions:
• Tonics that used to be Town Clothes that were purchased in the Gem Store
• Outfits that used to be Town Clothes that were purchased in the Gem Store
Duplicate Gem Store Purchase Refunds:
• Duplicates skins that were purchased in the Gem Store
• Duplicates of Tonics/Outfits that were purchased from the Gem Store
Dye Refunds: (list of dyes excluded for brevity)

So no, they didn’t do what I wanted them to do. But that’s ok. Judging by the changes I’m seeing for the next major patch, this isn’t a game I’ll enjoy anymore anyway.

Thanks for the discussion, everyone. It was stimulating, if nothing else.

They did however say that if you weren’t sure if you were eligible for a refund, submit a ticket. It would have taken all of two minutes and you elected not to.

PookieDaWombat.6209:

Right. So it wasn’t broken. Its been made prettier for people who live in the trading post. fair enough. Call a spade a spade.

The trading post update started a long long time ago. The complaints about the new trait system started five months ago. I’m pretty sure that Anet is working on identifying the best way to react to some of the complaints, but surely something they started ages ago that they’ve finished is better time than dropping everything to deal with a complaint that most people can work around by buying the traits they need with gold and skill points, assuming they absolutely can’t get them by playing.

The trading post wasn’t broken, but it did need upgrading. People have been complaining for two years that you can’t sort by armor type. People have been complaining about the new trait system for five months.

Programming stuff takes time. Fixing mistakes takes time. You don’t stop what you’re working on and drop everything because of a complaint thread. That’s not how project management works.

The thing is, all they’re really doing is making the starter zone into a tutorial zone, the way it really should have been in the first place. It’s actually the way most games do it.

No one has tried the experience, but so many are quick to judge it.

You have to look at the whole fabric of a change, not individual changes. Then make a decision on how they affect the game.

At least one person who played it said in his preview that the leveling from 1-15 is faster now.

Raven.9603:

khulse.4896:

As I stated in a post in the Game Updates: Wardrobe, Transmutation, Outfits feedback thread, the exchange rate they implemented for transmutation stones to charges left me feeling cheated. I am not happy about it.

I like the wardrobe update, but it is a kick in the transmutation stones, especially for alts who previously just needed the yellow stones.

Here is the thing though: You can get TONS of transmutation stones EASILY by playing sPvP.

If you dont like sPvP, hey, that stinks. But you know what, a lot of WvW’rs and PvP’rs hate PvE, yet they are forced to PvE as its the most practical way to acquire… just about everything other than transmutation stones.

PvP, get stones, enjoy. Don’t pvp? Don’t complain.

Or you can just convert gold to gems to buy them. Not efficient but it works. Because you can farm gold anywhere.

Heriophant.6742:

I’m EU based, and thanks for info

Well we won’t be able to play together, unfortunately since I’m in the US server park. Ah well. Anyway, you can still whisper me if you have questions.

Alienmuppet.1942:

Beldin.5498:

Heriophant.6742:

Good to know about aesthetic’s for races, I tend to go with pretty girls as my first char (Butts – Because noone likes looking at a male kitten all-day lol)

In that case go Norn or Human

Are you suggesting female Sylvari can’t be pretty? :-(

There’s less face selection for female Sylvari. I have a couple that I find pretty but the human selection is much larger.

I’ll wait until I try the experience to judge the experience.

Humans and norns have the best looking female clothing/hair/faces etc. Charr are giant cats, Asura are small and quite alien looking and Sylvari are a race of plants. Norn are quite a bit larger than humans and harder to do jumping puzzles with. As boring as it sounds, you might want to start with a human.

As for profession, my favorite professions are ranger, necro and mesmer, followed by guardian. They’re all good for different play styles.

A lot depends on what areas of the game you plan on playing most.

I’m definitely ready for a CDI! Thanks Chris!

Heriophant.6742:

Thanks Vayne! I’ll add you once I finished this monster download! But may take some time to work out how to add friends, lol.

Press Y and type Vayne.8563 in the add/search bar…that’s it. lol

Hey there and welcome to the game. This community is deeply polarized. That means some people love this game and some people….don’t love this game. lol

I’ve been playing every single day the game has been available since the first beta, and I love it. My wife plays and she loves it. I have a guild of about 150 people, and probably 50 of them are extremely active.

It has strengths and weaknesses like any game. For me, the strengths of this game fit my particular play style and the weaknesses barely affect me. So I’m happy with the game.

You should get hundreds of not thousands of hours out of it no matter what people write on the forums. Many people who are unhappy are unhappy because they followed the game from inception and changes have been made. They don’t like those changes. I don’t like all the changes, but I love some of them.

It’s all about expectation. If you hit me up in game, I can show you a few things. Just add me to your friends list and message me.

KarlaGrey.5903:

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

It has been confirmed a while ago that vayne’s reason d’etre is to find any and all threads about GW, about leaving GW2, or about providing criticism about GW2, and then derail them as much as possible to obscure the original point of a particular OP.

Naturally, it appears such derails do not qualify for moderation, as they coincide with the company stance on such issues (or such would be my best guess, at least).

Needless to say, I expect prompt moderation and deletion of this post, on the other hand.

And I assume you think your post is on topic somehow?

And you assume anything after your 2nd post in this topic was constructive?

And on alot of other topics after the 1st or 2nd post.

Do you know the one about glass houses and stones.

The OP has a legitimate grievance. He feels he lost money on something spent in the gemstore. He’s not saying he dislikes the game, he’s saying he dislikes the silence. By the same token, the OP never contacted support (as far as we know) to attempt to get a refund. He depended on a response to a thread. I’m relatively certain he would have gotten a refund had he attempted to get one. After all, functionality had changed.

I suppose you missed (or perhaps, ignored for convenience?) the part about the OP saying:
Many just don’t see what the issue is, and on the surface I can see why you think it isn’t one. It isn’t about the money. I honestly don’t care if I get a refund or not. It’s more complicated than that.

You’re welcome.

I didn’t miss it. However, since Anet did post about refunds during the patch changes, and the OP, apparently didn’t contact support, even though Anet made a post about refunds and ended it with saying if you’re not sure you should ask for a refund, I’m not quite sure that the OP is in the right in this case, sympathy or no sympathy. I’d have at least asked. Oh, here’s the post, because I know how you feel about links.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Customer-Support-and-the-Feature-Pack/first#post3896529

Ok, the point the OP was trying to make went over your head. Completely.
Np

Or you’re misinterpreting it, because you have a bias against the game already. Either thing is possible. However, I’ll wait for the OP to come and clarify his position and we can take it from there.

SeuRafinha.5924:

hi guys.. I left the game 2 months ago. I was kinda bored: have a legendary, dungeon master, a lot of skins, ascended gear, a LOT of roaming, zerg wvw andGvG, a decent time on tPvP. You know.. there was not much purpose for me. But I miss my necro LOL. How is game now? It’s worth trying again? Ty

This is a bad place to ask. The game is free. The new patch is hitting in a couple of hours. Come try it. There have been a lot of changes. Depending on what you’re into, the game could be better or worse.

KarlaGrey.5903:

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

It has been confirmed a while ago that vayne’s reason d’etre is to find any and all threads about GW, about leaving GW2, or about providing criticism about GW2, and then derail them as much as possible to obscure the original point of a particular OP.

Naturally, it appears such derails do not qualify for moderation, as they coincide with the company stance on such issues (or such would be my best guess, at least).

Needless to say, I expect prompt moderation and deletion of this post, on the other hand.

And I assume you think your post is on topic somehow?

And you assume anything after your 2nd post in this topic was constructive?

And on alot of other topics after the 1st or 2nd post.

Do you know the one about glass houses and stones.

The OP has a legitimate grievance. He feels he lost money on something spent in the gemstore. He’s not saying he dislikes the game, he’s saying he dislikes the silence. By the same token, the OP never contacted support (as far as we know) to attempt to get a refund. He depended on a response to a thread. I’m relatively certain he would have gotten a refund had he attempted to get one. After all, functionality had changed.

I suppose you missed (or perhaps, ignored for convenience?) the part about the OP saying:
Many just don’t see what the issue is, and on the surface I can see why you think it isn’t one. It isn’t about the money. I honestly don’t care if I get a refund or not. It’s more complicated than that.

You’re welcome.

I didn’t miss it. However, since Anet did post about refunds during the patch changes, and the OP, apparently didn’t contact support, even though Anet made a post about refunds and ended it with saying if you’re not sure you should ask for a refund, I’m not quite sure that the OP is in the right in this case, sympathy or no sympathy. I’d have at least asked. Oh, here’s the post, because I know how you feel about links.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Customer-Support-and-the-Feature-Pack/first#post3896529

Illuminati.2431:

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Rich Fuel.7253:

do you guyz post the food that you eat on facebook
or tell us in twiter that your trying out new shoes
or call your friends to tell them you just lost 1 kg
NO BODY CARES
i understand that there are post that are full of complains that Anet are getting some feedback out of them,
but what would any 1 expect to gain wen they say" well i played 2 years that game >>>>>>>> over there is better bye"
will our Good Byes or No Dont Leave will change anything?
P.S. i played for 2 years and still love this game like the 1st day of play

I think it does change things. Potential new players come to forums of games to see what the community that actually cares enough about the game to post on forums is like. When they see all this, I believe someone who considered buying the game but wasn’t fully convinced, might not buy it after all. Many of the people in my gaming circle, including me, work KIND OF like this way. So I guess it might change things, but again, that’s just a guess based on own experiences, so it might be as well it changes nothing.

So what you’re saying is you’re posting to deliberately deny Anet sales because you personally don’t like the game? On a company’s forum? I’m not sure I’d like to do that.

Nope. I’m posting to let others read my opinion. If they feel the same way, it’s their own decision to buy the game or not. I post with the intention to let others read my opinion. People have their own feelings and opinions. Thats why person 1 might tend to feel better with gamer 1’s opinion, and person 2 might tend to see that gamer’s 2 opinion fits him more. So if people that kind of expect/want etc. the same things from games as I do, at least they know what my experiences with those things are. Could save them time and money, or they could not care because they don’t feel the same way about certain things as I do. I don’t post to ‘delibrerately deny sales’. If everyone would only read your white knight posts, I think everyone that’s considering to buy the game and goes to the forum for more opinions, and all they read are your white knight opinions, a lot would be dissapointed after some playtime.

But then again, I’m not going to discuss with you, because 1: again you are halting the topic and a healthy discussion. and 2: I wouldn’t even call it discussing what you are doing.

Everyone posts with bias based on their own experience, their own likes and dislikes, their own level of intelligence, their own style of play. So if someone comes to the forums and lurks and sees you, they have no real context with which to judge what you say. You could be very insightful, or you might not be. They have no way of knowing.

Strangely enough, I answer posts like yours for the same exact reason that you leave them. Because I want people to see the other side too.

But you see what you do is constructive and what I do isn’t. I understand now.

Mungrul.9358:

Vayne.8563:

Or it rewards loyal customers, however you call it.

“Loyal” customers?
Hah. I would guess there’s a buttload of players who play GW2 every day and have never given ArenaNet a cent beyond initial purchase price.
How do they contribute to development costs beyond taking up server cycles?

Face it Vayne, creating an arbitrary two-tier system of haves-and-have-nots is never good business practice.

Your opinion from the inside looking out is also incredibly condescending.
You’re okay, because you’ve got yours.
Those people who may be interested in coming back?
Yeah, screw them!
Make them pay!

And that you don’t know of many other games that offer regular free updates just highlights how much time of yours GW2 takes up.
I doubt you’ve got time to play many other games when you’re playing GW2 on a daily basis.

There’s a world of games out there that regularly offer new content for free, with Valve’s DOTA 2 and TF2 being prime examples.
And one of GW2’s main competitors, Diablo 3, has just released patch 2.1.0 which adds swathes of new content, all for free.

I wouldn’t call DOTA 2 a competitor of GW2 by the way. That’s leagues above GW2 in player attraction and retention rates.

Seems like every MMO with expansions creates a tier system of have an have nots. Every MMO with an optional subscription too.

Charging for content that doesn’t particularly affect progression isn’t really creating a have and have not type of society, particularly if you can farm gold and buy the chapter’s you’re missing.

CalamityO.2890:

Vayne.8563:

The OP has a legitimate grievance. He feels he lost money on something spent in the gemstore. He’s not saying he dislikes the game, he’s saying he dislikes the silence. By the same token, the OP never contacted support (as far as we know) to attempt to get a refund. He depended on a response to a thread. I’m relatively certain he would have gotten a refund had he attempted to get one. After all, functionality had changed.

He would have gotten a better response, if he actually made a separate thread raising his concern to anet. Rather than depending on a single post, a single post – which is buried in a 20 page post. And he expects to Anet to respond to that. When we all know anet can’t respond to every comment or concerns. As you said, support would have been better for him. At least they would have given him a ‘reply’.

I agree he would have gotten a better response, and even better had he filled out a service ticket. But that doesn’t mean I can’t sympathize with his feelings.

Illuminati.2431:

Rich Fuel.7253:

do you guyz post the food that you eat on facebook
or tell us in twiter that your trying out new shoes
or call your friends to tell them you just lost 1 kg
NO BODY CARES
i understand that there are post that are full of complains that Anet are getting some feedback out of them,
but what would any 1 expect to gain wen they say" well i played 2 years that game >>>>>>>> over there is better bye"
will our Good Byes or No Dont Leave will change anything?
P.S. i played for 2 years and still love this game like the 1st day of play

I think it does change things. Potential new players come to forums of games to see what the community that actually cares enough about the game to post on forums is like. When they see all this, I believe someone who considered buying the game but wasn’t fully convinced, might not buy it after all. Many of the people in my gaming circle, including me, work KIND OF like this way. So I guess it might change things, but again, that’s just a guess based on own experiences, so it might be as well it changes nothing.

So what you’re saying is you’re posting to deliberately deny Anet sales because you personally don’t like the game? On a company’s forum? I’m not sure I’d like to do that.

I wouldn’t say nobody cares. People like to see their feelings validated. Those who don’t like the game like seeing these posts, because it gives them a feeling of being part of something larger. Just human psychology.

If you like the game, of course, they’re not validating you. I don’t generally see how they’re constructive, since whatever is being complained about could be just as easily complained about without saying you’re leaving, but that’s my opinion.

Question for mods…are I quit posts against the rules or not. That’s really the only question here.

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

Vayne.8563:

Mungrul.9358:

Vayne.8563:

Or you can just log in, unlock the updates and log out again. It’s not like he has to install the game.

Still doesn’t stop the practice being punitive to returning users who have paid the exact same amount as those who never left.
Butter this any way you like, it’s a repulsive practise, in the most literal meaning of the word “repulsive”.
It actively repels customers.

Or it rewards loyal customers, however you call it.

I don’t know many games that give you free content updates forever and ever on the purchase price. And since you can trade gold for gems, people coming back don’t even have to spend real cash to get those updates.

If people like that stuff, they can buy it. If they can’t they can still play the game without those specific instances and rewards.

I guess I’m a glass is half full type of guy.

I would EASILY drop $30-50 on a large expansion…

Yep me too.

Illuminati.2431:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Vayne.8563:

KarlaGrey.5903:

It has been confirmed a while ago that vayne’s reason d’etre is to find any and all threads about GW, about leaving GW2, or about providing criticism about GW2, and then derail them as much as possible to obscure the original point of a particular OP.

Naturally, it appears such derails do not qualify for moderation, as they coincide with the company stance on such issues (or such would be my best guess, at least).

Needless to say, I expect prompt moderation and deletion of this post, on the other hand.

And I assume you think your post is on topic somehow?

And you assume anything after your 2nd post in this topic was constructive?

And on alot of other topics after the 1st or 2nd post.

Do you know the one about glass houses and stones.

The OP has a legitimate grievance. He feels he lost money on something spent in the gemstore. He’s not saying he dislikes the game, he’s saying he dislikes the silence. By the same token, the OP never contacted support (as far as we know) to attempt to get a refund. He depended on a response to a thread. I’m relatively certain he would have gotten a refund had he attempted to get one. After all, functionality had changed.

Your comment, your initial comment isn’t a comment on what the OP is talking about. It’s a general comment about the number of good bye posts and how many people are leaving this game. I’m not sure how that’s on topic and I’m not sure how that’s constructive. It doesn’t invite conversation. It doesn’t help the OP at all. All it does is express your OPINION about what’s going on with the game, which is hardly something that can be said to be objective. It does not address the OP’s concern. It does not talk to his issues. It is off topic.

Mungrul.9358:

Vayne.8563:

Or you can just log in, unlock the updates and log out again. It’s not like he has to install the game.

Still doesn’t stop the practice being punitive to returning users who have paid the exact same amount as those who never left.
Butter this any way you like, it’s a repulsive practise, in the most literal meaning of the word “repulsive”.
It actively repels customers.

Or it rewards loyal customers, however you call it.

I don’t know many games that give you free content updates forever and ever on the purchase price. And since you can trade gold for gems, people coming back don’t even have to spend real cash to get those updates.

If people like that stuff, they can buy it. If they can’t they can still play the game without those specific instances and rewards.

I guess I’m a glass is half full type of guy.

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

Vayne.8563:

My guild is what keeps me going. I’m bored with pretty much any game in two years, unless I have a group of people making it fun. Since I’m having fun, I’m more patient for new content.

Yeah I love my guild… always fun hanging out and chatting with them… I just don’t find any content worth doign anymore I suppose…

I play a lot, so I end up helping newbies learn the game. It’s always fun. And I can vicariously enjoy some stuff for the first time again. It’s rather nice.

And I’ll enjoy collecting I’m sure as well. I won’t be buying the stuff, I’ll try to get it in game…a bit at a time.

I was less excited until I saw the Wooden Potatos video. As he said, hearing about it is not nearly as impressive as playing it. Sometimes an update is greater than the sum of its parts.

KarlaGrey.5903:

It has been confirmed a while ago that vayne’s reason d’etre is to find any and all threads about GW, about leaving GW2, or about providing criticism about GW2, and then derail them as much as possible to obscure the original point of a particular OP.

Naturally, it appears such derails do not qualify for moderation, as they coincide with the company stance on such issues (or such would be my best guess, at least).

Needless to say, I expect prompt moderation and deletion of this post, on the other hand.

And I assume you think your post is on topic somehow?

On topic: I’m not even sure that leaving posts are against the rule anymore, I had thought they were, but some of them have been left.

Or you can just log in, unlock the updates and log out again. It’s not like he has to install the game.

My guild is what keeps me going. I’m bored with pretty much any game in two years, unless I have a group of people making it fun. Since I’m having fun, I’m more patient for new content.

Illuminati.2431:

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Corpus Christi.2057:

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Azrael.4960:

These blasted threads. Every time I see a variant on “why I left GW2?” I mentally answer "quite frankly my dear I don’t give a kitten "

I can see why you think that, but they keep popping up more and more. That’s a serious indication this game is losing a lot of players. People that actually care enough about the game and go to the forums to post things. Now they even care enough that they are posting that they are leaving.
It isn’t good advertising for new players either. Usually, when I’m going to play a new MMO, I first check a couple of things, including their forums. If you look in here, those potentional new players see alot of players complaining(whether the complaints are well argumented or just QQ doens’t matter in this case), and they see lots of players leaving. That’s bad publicity for this game. It’s not like no new player will come, but I’m almost certain a couple of players who wheren’t convinced to buy and play this game or not, didn’t do it after all because of what they saw on the forums.

So indeed, it’s easy to say I don’t give a kitten, I don’t think alot of us do(you could put it in another way though:p), but it’s something that really needs to be taken seriously.

At least, in my opinion that is…..

You mean like three a week? It was just as bad a couple of years ago. That’s not more and more. I’ve had more people who left come back to the game in the last week than there have been leaving posts on these forums and that’s just one little guild.

My guild had 167 members, only 21 are left. 8 came back and now 7 are gone. Out of those 28 now, 13 started playing AA and have gone inactive in GW2. Quite the opposite to you. And honestly, I don’t think even a major update of the expansion-pack size would bring even 20 people back. It’s a missed opportunity, I think. But who knows, if GW3 comes out, we will all be back again! ( I hope! )

I THINK, that if gw3 folows some gw1 rules instead of 2, a lot more people would come back yes. At least, thats what everyone around me says. If gw3 is going to be a polished gw2 with the same ‘business plan’ etc., they wont return.

In your own words…okay. Doesn’t change the fact that this is not nearly the worst exodus we’ve seen from the game.

People have been leaving all along. People have been joining all along. People have been coming back all along.

I understand that you think this is some massive exodus that is somehow going to rob this game of every living body. I understand that’s your opinion.

But what you’re actually doing is venturing an opinion about something factual. I can have an opinion about how many people live in NYC, except there’s a factual number of people living in NYC and my opinion is largely irrelevant. Why? Because how many people are leaving isn’t really a matter of opinion.

I like the game is an opinion. I don’t like this game is an opinion. People are leaving in droves or a lot of people leaving is you venturing an opinion about a fact. I suggest there’s a subtle difference.

At any rate, you’re certainly entitled to your opinion.

And you have the exact numbers about people leaving and coming back to the game?
That all depends on who you play with. In your gaming circle it may be whole different than for someone else’s gaming circle.

You can look up the population of NYC. You can’’t look up how many people have left gw2 and came back. Because we don’t have those numbers. All I’m doing is basing my opinion off on what I see on the forums and in my gaming circle. And like I stated before, everybody’s gaming circle can differ very much from one another. That’s why there are many different opinions.

I agree. You can’t look up how many people are leaving the game, but there are a specific number of people leaving. And we don’t know it. So venturing an opinion on it is, in my opinion, pointless.

It’s a conversation that helps nobody. It’s right or wrong, no one knows. It’s not constructive. It leads nowhere.

But it does have a harmful effect if someone believes it, whether it’s true or not. If I say something harmful, I’m going to try to state things factually. Not venture an opinion based on observation that I know only tells a small part of the story.

Illuminati.2431:

Corpus Christi.2057:

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Azrael.4960:

These blasted threads. Every time I see a variant on “why I left GW2?” I mentally answer "quite frankly my dear I don’t give a kitten "

I can see why you think that, but they keep popping up more and more. That’s a serious indication this game is losing a lot of players. People that actually care enough about the game and go to the forums to post things. Now they even care enough that they are posting that they are leaving.
It isn’t good advertising for new players either. Usually, when I’m going to play a new MMO, I first check a couple of things, including their forums. If you look in here, those potentional new players see alot of players complaining(whether the complaints are well argumented or just QQ doens’t matter in this case), and they see lots of players leaving. That’s bad publicity for this game. It’s not like no new player will come, but I’m almost certain a couple of players who wheren’t convinced to buy and play this game or not, didn’t do it after all because of what they saw on the forums.

So indeed, it’s easy to say I don’t give a kitten, I don’t think alot of us do(you could put it in another way though:p), but it’s something that really needs to be taken seriously.

At least, in my opinion that is…..

You mean like three a week? It was just as bad a couple of years ago. That’s not more and more. I’ve had more people who left come back to the game in the last week than there have been leaving posts on these forums and that’s just one little guild.

My guild had 167 members, only 21 are left. 8 came back and now 7 are gone. Out of those 28 now, 13 started playing AA and have gone inactive in GW2. Quite the opposite to you. And honestly, I don’t think even a major update of the expansion-pack size would bring even 20 people back. It’s a missed opportunity, I think. But who knows, if GW3 comes out, we will all be back again! ( I hope! )

I THINK, that if gw3 folows some gw1 rules instead of 2, a lot more people would come back yes. At least, thats what everyone around me says. If gw3 is going to be a polished gw2 with the same ‘business plan’ etc., they wont return.

In your own words…okay. Doesn’t change the fact that this is not nearly the worst exodus we’ve seen from the game.

People have been leaving all along. People have been joining all along. People have been coming back all along.

I understand that you think this is some massive exodus that is somehow going to rob this game of every living body. I understand that’s your opinion.

But what you’re actually doing is venturing an opinion about something factual. I can have an opinion about how many people live in NYC, except there’s a factual number of people living in NYC and my opinion is largely irrelevant. Why? Because how many people are leaving isn’t really a matter of opinion.

I like the game is an opinion. I don’t like this game is an opinion. People are leaving in droves or a lot of people leaving is you venturing an opinion about a fact. I suggest there’s a subtle difference.

At any rate, you’re certainly entitled to your opinion.

Illuminati.2431:

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Azrael.4960:

These blasted threads. Every time I see a variant on “why I left GW2?” I mentally answer "quite frankly my dear I don’t give a kitten "

I can see why you think that, but they keep popping up more and more. That’s a serious indication this game is losing a lot of players. People that actually care enough about the game and go to the forums to post things. Now they even care enough that they are posting that they are leaving.
It isn’t good advertising for new players either. Usually, when I’m going to play a new MMO, I first check a couple of things, including their forums. If you look in here, those potentional new players see alot of players complaining(whether the complaints are well argumented or just QQ doens’t matter in this case), and they see lots of players leaving. That’s bad publicity for this game. It’s not like no new player will come, but I’m almost certain a couple of players who wheren’t convinced to buy and play this game or not, didn’t do it after all because of what they saw on the forums.

So indeed, it’s easy to say I don’t give a kitten, I don’t think alot of us do(you could put it in another way though:p), but it’s something that really needs to be taken seriously.

At least, in my opinion that is…..

You mean like three a week? It was just as bad a couple of years ago. That’s not more and more. I’ve had more people who left come back to the game in the last week than there have been leaving posts on these forums and that’s just one little guild.

OK.

Well it’s true. I think that the November patch after launch when ascended gear was introduced saw the biggest exodus from this game. Since then nothing has come close.

It’s true, for you it is.
Like I said in the last sentence of my post, ITS MY OPINION.
When I browse the forums, I get a different feeling about things than you do. That’s why we are different people. 1 thing can make me laugh while you could become angry about it. 1 thing can make me cry while you feel nothing about it. That’s human feelings and emotion.
All I said is my FEELING when I browse the forums. And then you can counterargument all you want, that wont change my feeling.

Were you here back when ascended armor released. We lost a huge number of people. I mean a huge number. This isn’t just an opinion. We see a couple of leaving posts now, but back then, the forums pretty much exploded.

Illuminati.2431:

Vayne.8563:

Illuminati.2431:

Azrael.4960:

These blasted threads. Every time I see a variant on “why I left GW2?” I mentally answer "quite frankly my dear I don’t give a kitten "

I can see why you think that, but they keep popping up more and more. That’s a serious indication this game is losing a lot of players. People that actually care enough about the game and go to the forums to post things. Now they even care enough that they are posting that they are leaving.
It isn’t good advertising for new players either. Usually, when I’m going to play a new MMO, I first check a couple of things, including their forums. If you look in here, those potentional new players see alot of players complaining(whether the complaints are well argumented or just QQ doens’t matter in this case), and they see lots of players leaving. That’s bad publicity for this game. It’s not like no new player will come, but I’m almost certain a couple of players who wheren’t convinced to buy and play this game or not, didn’t do it after all because of what they saw on the forums.

So indeed, it’s easy to say I don’t give a kitten, I don’t think alot of us do(you could put it in another way though:p), but it’s something that really needs to be taken seriously.

At least, in my opinion that is…..

You mean like three a week? It was just as bad a couple of years ago. That’s not more and more. I’ve had more people who left come back to the game in the last week than there have been leaving posts on these forums and that’s just one little guild.

OK.

Well it’s true. I think that the November patch after launch when ascended gear was introduced saw the biggest exodus from this game. Since then nothing has come close.

The OP is talking about the speed at which mini’s follow you.

Illuminati.2431:

Azrael.4960:

These blasted threads. Every time I see a variant on “why I left GW2?” I mentally answer "quite frankly my dear I don’t give a kitten "

I can see why you think that, but they keep popping up more and more. That’s a serious indication this game is losing a lot of players. People that actually care enough about the game and go to the forums to post things. Now they even care enough that they are posting that they are leaving.
It isn’t good advertising for new players either. Usually, when I’m going to play a new MMO, I first check a couple of things, including their forums. If you look in here, those potentional new players see alot of players complaining(whether the complaints are well argumented or just QQ doens’t matter in this case), and they see lots of players leaving. That’s bad publicity for this game. It’s not like no new player will come, but I’m almost certain a couple of players who wheren’t convinced to buy and play this game or not, didn’t do it after all because of what they saw on the forums.

So indeed, it’s easy to say I don’t give a kitten, I don’t think alot of us do(you could put it in another way though:p), but it’s something that really needs to be taken seriously.

At least, in my opinion that is…..

You mean like three a week? It was just as bad a couple of years ago. That’s not more and more. I’ve had more people who left come back to the game in the last week than there have been leaving posts on these forums and that’s just one little guild.

I’m thinking that for each guy who hates this another will love it. I’m thinking I get one drop from Jormag or whatever or dungeons a couple of times and sell them for enough cash to buy with gold a bunch of gems to buy keys.

Orpheal.8263:

thats wrong goat.. anet is working on implementing a way to brign back season 1 as story journal repeatable living story, just like season 2 and once that is done, everyone who missed those older living story parts of season one, will be able to get those older historical achievements too.
It just takes some time, because anet has to make some changes here n there on the season 1, so that it will fit into the new system with that season 2 started!

PS: the only exception of historical achievements, that won’t be repeatable are the WVW Tournament Achievements…

Actually there are others, because some achievements never came back. The one that comes to mind off hand is the Mad King’s Jumping Puzzle. People got an achievement for it year 1 but it was a different achievement year 2.

There are several achievements tied to things that aren’t in the game now. Moa racing had an achievement, but you can’t get it now.

There are more but I can’t think of them now.

XApocalypse.8739:

zenleto.6179:

Yeah, but I sort of thought you still wouldn’t take a leave of absence the day before a major update. It might not change his mind but he could take a gander before heading off.

“Major update” Lol okay.

Good thing other people like Wooden Pototos, who actually tried it says it’s a major update. Sometimes an update is greater than the sum of its parts. This is a major update for the game, even if some people can’t see it.

Mireles Lore.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Mireles Lore.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Mireles Lore.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Mireles Lore.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Mireles Lore.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Mireles Lore.5942:

As someone that’s motivation to play this game is collecting AP but cares nothing about leaderboard AP. This could kill one of my biggest motivators to continue playing.

snip.

There will likely be dozens if not hundreds of collections. Only a small percentage will be tied to the gem store. And in theory people do farm keys to get tickets anyway, and will still be able to do so (if not quite as efficiently). It’s another thing to do. Many people got their skins without buying keys.

Still though, to me if they are going to require every black lion weapon set since they made it still going to feel like a cash grab just because of the sheer volume of tickets you would need, the market price of them since they have been released, and RNG related to the gem shop involved in the achievement system now.

With the exception of miniatures that were very obtainable, the AP system has always been game based accomplishments. Now we are seeing a gem store creep into the achievement system which understandably some people have a problem with. I am one of these people.

I’m not actually disagreeing with you. I just don’t care personally. 5 achievement points here and there aren’t going to make any difference at all to the game for me. Not even a little.

I don’t watch where I am on the leaderboards. I’m not competing with anyone. From my point of view, I just want buy the stuff I don’t like. Just like I decided not to collect gem store minis.

I still enjoy the game.

It may be just a hand full of collections worth of gemstore creep into the system now 5 here and 5 there, but that adds up. If people that don’t approve don’t say something now it could turn into collection of outfits, toys, and gathering tools from the gemstore as well. It could be well on down the line where AP is strongly gemstore based depending on how they handle the AP in these collections and anything else they might add.

There are already very few ways to measure and track your player accomplishment progression in this game. This is not something I would like to see get even partially based in what is purchased in the gem store. If AP turns into something that can be reasonably progressed by sliding your credit card, it would lose meaning…. atleast to me.

But by all means, have the collections, have rewards for them. Just leave AP out of it when it comes to things related to the gemstore.

I hate to tell you but it already is that. You can buy legendaries. Spent money on minis, spend money on gems to convert to gold to get all your cultural armors done, buy all the stuff you need to get to max level crafting, you can even buy dungeon runs to get your dungeon master title.

If that’s your complaint, you’re about two years too late.

Theoretically yeah you could. But are any of these things advertised on the gemstore besides the minis? No they are not. That is what makes them different. Thats what makes them a purchase or a gamble instead of an accomplishment, because the primary means of acquisition is the real money shop.

I would argue against the minis too, but those have been there since day 1.

Sounds a bit like you’re splitting hairs. A lot of people bought precusors or even legendaries with at least some real money. People have been spending real money for ages to get what they want in this game.

You can say this is a change, but in reality, it’s a relatively minor one. Anyway I don’t see enough complaints going live to stop it, but by all means. I’ll complain about it if you do. lol

The change is that there are now achievement points locked behind a RNG mechanism that is almost entirely (we will find out tomorrow) locked behind a gemstone item.

That is going backwards from your stand point of people buying gems to achieve in in-game objective such as a legendary For the first time ever in this game the primary avenue for achieving a in-game objective is purchasing gems. Spending money has really has nothing to do with it. Its the fact that an in-game accomplishment pushes you into a gemstore purchase is whats wrong and backwards.

Except for people who farm keys you mean.

Well we will find out if this is still practical tomorrow wont we?

Already a post about it. The keys remain at level 10. People will still keyfarm. It’ll take longer, but it’ll still happen. Some people will PvP for level up tomes to do it.

Mireles Lore.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Mireles Lore.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Mireles Lore.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Mireles Lore.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Mireles Lore.5942:

As someone that’s motivation to play this game is collecting AP but cares nothing about leaderboard AP. This could kill one of my biggest motivators to continue playing.

snip.

There will likely be dozens if not hundreds of collections. Only a small percentage will be tied to the gem store. And in theory people do farm keys to get tickets anyway, and will still be able to do so (if not quite as efficiently). It’s another thing to do. Many people got their skins without buying keys.

Still though, to me if they are going to require every black lion weapon set since they made it still going to feel like a cash grab just because of the sheer volume of tickets you would need, the market price of them since they have been released, and RNG related to the gem shop involved in the achievement system now.

With the exception of miniatures that were very obtainable, the AP system has always been game based accomplishments. Now we are seeing a gem store creep into the achievement system which understandably some people have a problem with. I am one of these people.

I’m not actually disagreeing with you. I just don’t care personally. 5 achievement points here and there aren’t going to make any difference at all to the game for me. Not even a little.

I don’t watch where I am on the leaderboards. I’m not competing with anyone. From my point of view, I just want buy the stuff I don’t like. Just like I decided not to collect gem store minis.

I still enjoy the game.

It may be just a hand full of collections worth of gemstore creep into the system now 5 here and 5 there, but that adds up. If people that don’t approve don’t say something now it could turn into collection of outfits, toys, and gathering tools from the gemstore as well. It could be well on down the line where AP is strongly gemstore based depending on how they handle the AP in these collections and anything else they might add.

There are already very few ways to measure and track your player accomplishment progression in this game. This is not something I would like to see get even partially based in what is purchased in the gem store. If AP turns into something that can be reasonably progressed by sliding your credit card, it would lose meaning…. atleast to me.

But by all means, have the collections, have rewards for them. Just leave AP out of it when it comes to things related to the gemstore.

I hate to tell you but it already is that. You can buy legendaries. Spent money on minis, spend money on gems to convert to gold to get all your cultural armors done, buy all the stuff you need to get to max level crafting, you can even buy dungeon runs to get your dungeon master title.

If that’s your complaint, you’re about two years too late.

Theoretically yeah you could. But are any of these things advertised on the gemstore besides the minis? No they are not. That is what makes them different. Thats what makes them a purchase or a gamble instead of an accomplishment, because the primary means of acquisition is the real money shop.

I would argue against the minis too, but those have been there since day 1.

Sounds a bit like you’re splitting hairs. A lot of people bought precusors or even legendaries with at least some real money. People have been spending real money for ages to get what they want in this game.

You can say this is a change, but in reality, it’s a relatively minor one. Anyway I don’t see enough complaints going live to stop it, but by all means. I’ll complain about it if you do. lol

The change is that there are now achievement points locked behind a RNG mechanism that is almost entirely (we will find out tomorrow) locked behind a gemstone item.

That is going backwards from your stand point of people buying gems to achieve in in-game objective such as a legendary For the first time ever in this game the primary avenue for achieving a in-game objective is purchasing gems. Spending money has really has nothing to do with it. Its the fact that an in-game accomplishment pushes you into a gemstore purchase is whats wrong and backwards.

Except for people who farm keys you mean.

GuzziHero.2467:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Here is where feedback about Traits is largely ignored for 4 months then finally addressed:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Game-Updates-Traits/page/33#post4235076

Fix’d

Except for the update where they changed some of the trait unlocks based on feedback in that thread you mean? That’s what I thought you meant.

Mireles Lore.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Mireles Lore.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Mireles Lore.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Mireles Lore.5942:

As someone that’s motivation to play this game is collecting AP but cares nothing about leaderboard AP. This could kill one of my biggest motivators to continue playing.

If it was heavily gated behind gem store items such as having to collect every black lion set would really kill my motivation to keep collecting. It would just scream cash grab achievement system, not completing objectives in the game system.

I always looked at AP as a measurement of how much of the game I have completed, these collections could change that as they have little to do with the game and more to do with the gemstore. Collections should be items that are made in game not gated behind gemstore based RNG ticket system.

There will likely be dozens if not hundreds of collections. Only a small percentage will be tied to the gem store. And in theory people do farm keys to get tickets anyway, and will still be able to do so (if not quite as efficiently). It’s another thing to do. Many people got their skins without buying keys.

Still though, to me if they are going to require every black lion weapon set since they made it still going to feel like a cash grab just because of the sheer volume of tickets you would need, the market price of them since they have been released, and RNG related to the gem shop involved in the achievement system now.

With the exception of miniatures that were very obtainable, the AP system has always been game based accomplishments. Now we are seeing a gem store creep into the achievement system which understandably some people have a problem with. I am one of these people.

I’m not actually disagreeing with you. I just don’t care personally. 5 achievement points here and there aren’t going to make any difference at all to the game for me. Not even a little.

I don’t watch where I am on the leaderboards. I’m not competing with anyone. From my point of view, I just want buy the stuff I don’t like. Just like I decided not to collect gem store minis.

I still enjoy the game.

It may be just a hand full of collections worth of gemstore creep into the system now 5 here and 5 there, but that adds up. If people that don’t approve don’t say something now it could turn into collection of outfits, toys, and gathering tools from the gemstore as well. It could be well on down the line where AP is strongly gemstore based depending on how they handle the AP in these collections and anything else they might add.

There are already very few ways to measure and track your player accomplishment progression in this game. This is not something I would like to see get even partially based in what is purchased in the gem store. If AP turns into something that can be reasonably progressed by sliding your credit card, it would lose meaning…. atleast to me.

But by all means, have the collections, have rewards for them. Just leave AP out of it when it comes to things related to the gemstore.

I hate to tell you but it already is that. You can buy legendaries. Spent money on minis, spend money on gems to convert to gold to get all your cultural armors done, buy all the stuff you need to get to max level crafting, you can even buy dungeon runs to get your dungeon master title.

If that’s your complaint, you’re about two years too late.

Theoretically yeah you could. But are any of these things advertised on the gemstore besides the minis? No they are not. That is what makes them different. Thats what makes them a purchase or a gamble instead of an accomplishment, because the primary means of acquisition is the real money shop.

I would argue against the minis too, but those have been there since day 1.

Sounds a bit like you’re splitting hairs. A lot of people bought precusors or even legendaries with at least some real money. People have been spending real money for ages to get what they want in this game.

You can say this is a change, but in reality, it’s a relatively minor one. Anyway I don’t see enough complaints going live to stop it, but by all means. I’ll complain about it if you do. lol

Guhracie.3419:

The total cost to unlock all of the traits is 43g and 360 skillpoints.

True, but some of them are quite easy to unlock without buying them.

You’re right, Illconceived

Anet gave refunds for stones that were purchsed with cash and the OP was entitled to that.

Which meant he wouldn’t have been out of pocket had he taken the time to write a support ticket.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

phys.7689:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Devata.6589:

Why would people want it to fail while being active on these forums?

Never, ever underestimate the drive of a former fan to ruin or see ruined what they once loved.

i think people who are still here want it to succeed, however they different ideas of how that can/will happen

I don’t need to think that – I know it to be true.

It is true. It’s how I felt about Rift (and this forum is my karma lol).

Devata.6589:

Behellagh.1468:

MikaHR.1978:

You mean they do exactly like F2P games do.

The only sub based games left are WoW and EvE (and well ESO and WS but yeah well see about those also, they arent doing well atm). You dont have to like it but thats a fact.

Trying to redefine sub based, well, i guess most people know what it is and are laughing same as i am.

Its pretty simple:

Can you access/play game for free after initial purchase?
a) no -> P2P (sub based)(includes stuff like PLEX)
b) yes -> F2P

By that definition then GW2 is F2P.

Sorry you can’t ignore the freemium/hybrid MMO business model which is neither pure F2P or P2P but offers both to the player.

SWTOR
http://www.swtor.com/free/features

LOTRO
http://www.lotro.com/en/game/vip

RIFT
http://www.riftgame.com/en/store/#patron

TERA
https://store.enmasse.com/tera/elite-status

Here are some more:

Champions Online
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/champions-online/news/detail/3028173

Star Trek Online
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/3026713

Dungeons & Dragons Online
http://www.ddo.com/en/become-vip

EverQuest, EverQuest II, DCUO, Planetside 2
https://www.everquest.com/membership

All of these plans give the player the same access they had to the game’s features before the game went from P2P to freemium/hybrid. It’s different from say Nexon’s F2P MMOs where nobody was ever a subscribing player and everyone started with the same access.

Well a payment model says something about how a company makes it’s money. Of course there are multiple ways but where do they focus on?

Lets take WoW. It has a cash-shop (but very limited), it has a expansions but only once every 2 years so where does their main income come from? The sub. So we name is a sub-based model (P2P).

All those F2P games seem to be focusing on cash-shop sales. Those who used to be subs did not go F2P for nothing, They did because there sub-focus did not bring in enough money. So do you focus on the cash-shop it’s F2P (while the name is not great, that just evolved that way. Cash-shop model would be a better name). In many of the F2P games with optional sub they focus on the cash-shop and have the sub as a way out of the limitations.

Lastly there is B2P that focuses on the game sales. Mostly used model in the non-mmo marked but can also be used in the MMO market when releasing regular expansions and it focuses on that to generate it’s income. Thats what GW1 was.

WoW cash shop may be very limited but release of stuff like the Sparkle Pony which you could only get from there netted them a ridiculous amount of money. It’s pay to look awesome in a game that has a sub.

Mireles Lore.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Mireles Lore.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Mireles Lore.5942:

As someone that’s motivation to play this game is collecting AP but cares nothing about leaderboard AP. This could kill one of my biggest motivators to continue playing.

If it was heavily gated behind gem store items such as having to collect every black lion set would really kill my motivation to keep collecting. It would just scream cash grab achievement system, not completing objectives in the game system.

I always looked at AP as a measurement of how much of the game I have completed, these collections could change that as they have little to do with the game and more to do with the gemstore. Collections should be items that are made in game not gated behind gemstore based RNG ticket system.

There will likely be dozens if not hundreds of collections. Only a small percentage will be tied to the gem store. And in theory people do farm keys to get tickets anyway, and will still be able to do so (if not quite as efficiently). It’s another thing to do. Many people got their skins without buying keys.

Still though, to me if they are going to require every black lion weapon set since they made it still going to feel like a cash grab just because of the sheer volume of tickets you would need, the market price of them since they have been released, and RNG related to the gem shop involved in the achievement system now.

With the exception of miniatures that were very obtainable, the AP system has always been game based accomplishments. Now we are seeing a gem store creep into the achievement system which understandably some people have a problem with. I am one of these people.

I’m not actually disagreeing with you. I just don’t care personally. 5 achievement points here and there aren’t going to make any difference at all to the game for me. Not even a little.

I don’t watch where I am on the leaderboards. I’m not competing with anyone. From my point of view, I just want buy the stuff I don’t like. Just like I decided not to collect gem store minis.

I still enjoy the game.

It may be just a hand full of collections worth of gemstore creep into the system now 5 here and 5 there, but that adds up. If people that don’t approve don’t say something now it could turn into collection of outfits, toys, and gathering tools from the gemstore as well. It could be well on down the line where AP is strongly gemstore based depending on how they handle the AP in these collections and anything else they might add.

There are already very few ways to measure and track your player accomplishment progression in this game. This is not something I would like to see get even partially based in what is purchased in the gem store. If AP turns into something that can be reasonably progressed by sliding your credit card, it would lose meaning…. atleast to me.

But by all means, have the collections, have rewards for them. Just leave AP out of it when it comes to things related to the gemstore.

I hate to tell you but it already is that. You can buy legendaries. Spent money on minis, spend money on gems to convert to gold to get all your cultural armors done, buy all the stuff you need to get to max level crafting, you can even buy dungeon runs to get your dungeon master title.

If that’s your complaint, you’re about two years too late.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Fernling.1729:

Vayne.8563:

Decrypter.1785:

well we loved , GVG HoH, Capes , Anet run mats/sats/dats , Hardmode , End game worlds

Lots of builds/templates/skills

all i can think of for now

I didn’t love GvG, I didn’t love HoH, I could do without capes. Please try not to talk for everyone.

And you know, it’s a four year old line already. Can we move on?

Isn’t Arenanet the one that spoke for everyone? Maybe they are to blame and not the customer base that interprets it exactly as they said it. Sounds like they are making very bold statements that wouldn’t be true for everyone.

Lots of companies make “bold statements” that should never be interpreted as anything but hyperbole. Consumers are indeed at fault for being gullible. Or, that’s what I’d say if these questions were genuine. As it is, people use ANet’s statements to try to get the company to change the game to exactly the way they want. That’s as cynical, if not more so, than a company trying to sell a product. If you’d rather I believe that consumers are idiots, well, I can to some degree. But come on, a general statement about GW2 appealing to GW players? If anything, it’s an invitation to look further. If someone bought the game based on that statement alone, they deserve what they got.

+ over 2 million and two bags of cookies. You’re the real winner.

The feature patch isn’t going to give the OP more challenging content. Obviously it’s a feature patch and it’s not supposed to. But you know, he’s played a lot, he’s taking a break. I’m sure if they release something really challenging he’ll come back and attempt it.

That’s one of the beautiful things about this game. You’re never really all that far behind.

Mireles Lore.5942:

Vayne.8563:

Mireles Lore.5942:

As someone that’s motivation to play this game is collecting AP but cares nothing about leaderboard AP. This could kill one of my biggest motivators to continue playing.

If it was heavily gated behind gem store items such as having to collect every black lion set would really kill my motivation to keep collecting. It would just scream cash grab achievement system, not completing objectives in the game system.

I always looked at AP as a measurement of how much of the game I have completed, these collections could change that as they have little to do with the game and more to do with the gemstore. Collections should be items that are made in game not gated behind gemstore based RNG ticket system.

There will likely be dozens if not hundreds of collections. Only a small percentage will be tied to the gem store. And in theory people do farm keys to get tickets anyway, and will still be able to do so (if not quite as efficiently). It’s another thing to do. Many people got their skins without buying keys.

Still though, to me if they are going to require every black lion weapon set since they made it still going to feel like a cash grab just because of the sheer volume of tickets you would need, the market price of them since they have been released, and RNG related to the gem shop involved in the achievement system now.

With the exception of miniatures that were very obtainable, the AP system has always been game based accomplishments. Now we are seeing a gem store creep into the achievement system which understandably some people have a problem with. I am one of these people.

I’m not actually disagreeing with you. I just don’t care personally. 5 achievement points here and there aren’t going to make any difference at all to the game for me. Not even a little.

I don’t watch where I am on the leaderboards. I’m not competing with anyone. From my point of view, I just want buy the stuff I don’t like. Just like I decided not to collect gem store minis.

I still enjoy the game.

Good luck in your next game.

Mireles Lore.5942:

As someone that’s motivation to play this game is collecting AP but cares nothing about leaderboard AP. This could kill one of my biggest motivators to continue playing.

If it was heavily gated behind gem store items such as having to collect every black lion set would really kill my motivation to keep collecting. It would just scream cash grab achievement system, not completing objectives in the game system.

I always looked at AP as a measurement of how much of the game I have completed, these collections could change that as they have little to do with the game and more to do with the gemstore. Collections should be items that are made in game not gated behind gemstore based RNG ticket system.

There will likely be dozens if not hundreds of collections. Only a small percentage will be tied to the gem store. And in theory people do farm keys to get tickets anyway, and will still be able to do so (if not quite as efficiently). It’s another thing to do. Many people got their skins without buying keys.