Guild Wars 2

No, there isn’t a better scoring system for the way WvW matches work. There are only different scoring systems.

The kind of matches that the OP describes will happen regardless.

The ranking algorithm is reacting appropriately, regardless.

It is not the fault of mathematics when people misunderstand it.

lioka qiao.8734:

Who says you need to swap servers Virtue? Just fight against Dragonbrand after the 9th (or whenever this patch hits).

I would have to transfer to do that any time soon.

lioka qiao.8734:

After we stare at each other throwing these god forsaken trick grenades at each other for 2 hours we can pvdoor and see who wins.

If you think that scenario won’t happen ask this question: What happens when you give 40 clueless players a device which can quickly drain supply and provides a godly overpowered counter to siege? What happens when you put those 40 guys behind a gate that a zerg is attacking?

Take 40 more clueless players getting attacked by arrow carts. What will happen to your zerg’s supply? (gone that’s what). You have no supply for inner. They have no supply to defend with. It’s all pvdoor. It’s no strategy.

The new meta will be minion master zergs because that would be the only way to quickly flip a tower. I watched a 20 man MM zerg rip through a paper gate like we had 2 sup rams on it.

This would be hilarious. I hope it plays out that way for some people. Could be inspiring.

Xillllix.3485:

Imagine what guild halls would cost if they ever released them.

The NPC unlocks were a massive grind in GW1 guild halls system, but it could be done collaboratively. In GW2, everything tends to be gem stored and/or account bound. Whatever happens there, it won’t be fun.

However, ANet employees will be “extremely excited” to announce it!

Blanger.3162:

we don’t know until the community decides what/which each color will be used for and that won’t happen until they are in the game and folks have time to use them.

And that won’t happen as a game-wide or server-wide phenomenon. Alternate colors will be unevenly and unreliably distributed. You’re not going to tell my commander that he can’t do a Red Commander job because he hasn’t paid for Red Commander icon.

Personally, I’ll only acknowledge a blue commander, anyway. I won’t respect the others.

lioka qiao.8734:

It will become the only siege weapon ever used because it drains supply from attackers and defenders alike.

Good.

Now I want to swap servers to use it against you. >.>

lioka qiao.8734:

Other siege doesn’t have this counter play so it shouldn’t be affected.

No.

Counter play to a disabled arrow cart is GG you don’t have your arrow cart now do something else.

Distaste.4801:

You can bet money that any thief and possibly mesmer will be abusing the heck out of this to troll zergs, I know I certainly will should I find the spark to play again.

It’s not abuse. It’s use.

VergilDeZaniah.3295:

Nice WvW breaker…

I don’t see how that could be used differently than:
-defenders will throw these things ad vitam aeternam (or rather ad copiam licendam) to prevent anything but zergs on the gate.
-attackers will throw these things to prevent anything but zergs to protect the keeps/towers.

Improvements have their place in the game, but they should come once broken things are fixed (or, but that’s just me, when we’ll have all the things promised so far, or also more than 2 useful skills per profession).

How do you claim that this breaks a game that you don’t know how to play?

chronometria.3708:

I and my fellow piken square commanders are discussing the colours at the moment and how we should tell our pugs to respond to them. I am keen to use red, for example, for havoc team small unit tactics, whereby a small group is hastily assembled, does a critical job and then disbands.

Of course, there is no point us making “server strategy” for a colour of tag when most of our commanders wont have one, due to the cost. Additionally, if I did, say, buy a red tag, then I would be stuck doing that and would be unable to take another role as I wouldn’t have the other colour (eg emergency defence or guild raid).

A good chunk of us have played since beta and aren’t running around with legendaries, because we don’t find precursors and we get terrible income from wvw. Putting this sort of a barrier on the tags is beyond my comprehension and completely wrecks what should be a good thing for our gamestyle.

Don’t bother.

Blue is the only commander color I recognize.

lordkrall.7241:

So, people have been complaining about how strong siege is and how everything in WvW is tied to using siege.
Now ArenaNet comes up with a way to change or at least disturb that meta, and now it is suddenly the worse idea ever to limit siege?

There really is no pleasing people, is there?

No. There is no pleasing people, when “people” includes all of them. There have always been people on both sides of this and any other argument.

atheria.2837:

They don’t think of the abuse that any one thing can be used for before presenting it to the vipers who will abuse them.

What a pity.

I am going to use this trick item A LOT: as often as possible. I will make my use of it as inconvenient to opponents as I can. I alone will burn an entire keep supply depot through disabler use.

bewhatever.2390:

However, I think WvWvW does not in itself provide an ongoing revenue stream to NCsoft/ArenaNet, only ongoing expenses for servers, tuning, bug fixing, and the like.

No, because:

Virtute.8251:

The goal of WvW should be to deliver a compelling service that keeps people logging in. That goal would be benefited by shipping the commander pin product that the WvW community asked for, and not the one that is currently scheduled to ship.

You’ve erected a strawman and wasted energy.

Prysin.8542:

what is the range of said projectile? 1500? 2000? 2500? and how is projectile arc? Like ranger arrows or engineer grenades?

Answer is in wiki and video.

Nokaru.7831:

Virtute.8251:

Catapult siege bubble is already being used to defend trebuchets

You mean against slow moving, easily predictable incoming projectiles? Why yes, they are.

Uh huh.

Virtute.8251:

the defensive siege bubble rotation.

“This is hard” is not a valid reason to change the rules. It isn’t too hard.

Nokaru.7831:

guardian.6489:

This in my mind balances this trick out IMO.

With a 450 radius you can probably just toss these at the gate from inside and disable all Flame Rams. Even if you couldn’t do this, the largest Projectile Blocker is Swirling Winds which is a 400 radius which is not big enough.

Radius 450
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Siege_Bubble

Radius (mislabeled “Range”) 1000
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shield_Bubble

Catapult siege bubble is already being used to defend trebuchets, in positions where the catapults’ only purpose is the defensive siege bubble rotation.

The fact that siege disabler can be thrown at the edge of swirling winds’ radius is a fact of gameplay, where it becomes important to know that fact and apply it. That is not a problem to be fixed. It is knowledge to be used.

bewhatever.2390:

Observation: I think we aren’t paying ArenaNet enough for it to attract the necessary talent to sit in that meeting room.

Fastest selling in the west: http://techland.time.com/2013/08/16/guild-wars-2-nabs-fastest-selling-western-mmo-crown-looks-east-for-more-records/

3.8 Million sales to China in 2 months: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/07/10/guild-wars-2-sales-more-than-double-thanks-to-chinese-launch

Yet, neither side of this argument is going to change the fact that they are foolish to believe (as they appear to) that WvW is needing an indirect monetization like this one. The real fact is that WvW players are also PvE and PvP players, and the entire ecosystem of people is susceptible to vanity and convenience purchases in the gem store.

The goal of WvW should be to deliver a compelling service that keeps people logging in. That goal would be benefited by shipping the commander pin product that the WvW community asked for, and not the one that is currently scheduled to ship.

These things being written as complaints read like non-problematic facts to me. Disablers are one of things they’re getting right. Siege deserves counter-siege. Siege deserves to be potentially annoying for both sides.

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

goldenwing.8473:

From the official ANet interview with Guildmag:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwkvOqrwpb8

“We are going to start off by talking about changes to the commander system which is not specifically for World v World but it’s where, you know, it gets the most support."

There you have it guys.They are talking about using red/blue/yellow for the Wurm in PvE.

-no new news here

i think you read it wrong. i think the guy is saying that commander in wvw has priority…

Not so. It was a woman speaking, and goldenwing’s comprehension of her statement is correct.

Sean.8274:

Is there some sort of internal cooldown on siege before they can be disabled again, or can you just chain disable them forever if you have a steady stream of supply and people with grenades?

Skill cooldown works that way, yes.

The Siege Disabler cooldown for each individual is equal to the time required to resupply.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

• It has a ~5silver, 10 supply and 15 badge cost. This cost coupled with the above point, will likely limit the amount that these items are used to important tactical plays.

3,750 badges
12.5 g

I’ll buy a full stack.

Siege Disabler good.

Vanity Commander bad.

Super Golem kinda funny.

saratoga.4872:

Video proof….official Anet interview with Guildmag, The Siege Disabler is at around 6:30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwkvOqrwpb8

Siege Disabler will be hilarious fun. GG QQ.

Charging for commander colors as if they were vanity dyes is ridiculous nonsense that will cause some people to leave the game, and cause all commanders to perform beneath their potential (up do and including people never becoming commanders at all).

Nearly everyone (hundreds of people) that I played with in 2012-2013 has left GW2 because WvW didn’t receive the resources that Living Story did, and Living Story wasn’t at all interesting and exciting and compelling and adjectives and hype to them.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Is this for real? Sounds like if you have fewer defenders than attackers, you’ll always lose your gates/walls.

Before that judgement, we need to know usage cooldown times, and then see what player creativity does with it.

We also need to know if the skill effect is limited by player skill target counting (typically 5 to 10 targets) or siege target limits (typically 50).

Chaba.5410:

Just remember, guys. You heard it here first. Players asking for some sort of trap that affects siege. Do you want a trap that destroys your siege (like retaliation) or disables it momentarily? I hope there’s some sort of debuff at least so that the disablement trap can’t be spammed on siege already disabled.

45 days
since Tuesday July 01 2014
a Tuesday 1 month and 13 days from today

inb4 banned

Altie.4571:

No you can’t. Traps can’t be laid under stealth, and I dare anyone to stand in the middle of a zerg for 10 seconds and lay a trap. It’s simply not possible.

Laying a trap is not as simple as people think. What this will do is delay the attackers 45 or 20 seconds. That’s a good thing to promote defense/allow time to set up defense.

When supply traps were novel and new, I absolutely did make a habit of placing them in dangerous locations mid-combat. I did this on non-stealth classes, including ele, necro, and warrior. It’s not only possible; It’s hilarious.

GW2 Wiki

Deployment Range: 1200
Effect Radius: 450

As a trick (rather than a trap), what this means is that the trick will be consumed exactly the same as a siege blueprint. The trick will replace your weapon skill bar with its own skills (deploy, and possibly a cancel to put it back in inventory). The Deploy skill will use the ground-targeting UI, the same as siege weapon blueprints do. It will have a 1200 unit range.

Players will use it as a ground-targeted skill which they can throw arbitrarily, anywhere on the map, in any situation, so long as they have line of sight and range to the target location, and are carrying the needed supplies.

A player with full Supply Mastery, taking from a supply depot that has the guild supply capacity buff, will carry 20 supply and be able to use the trick twice before resupplying.

Blix.8021:

Well, they merged the threads, which is the first step toward ignoring the community again.

Ah, that’s better. Now that the differing conversations on more-or-less the same topic are all smeared together, we can ignore most of it for it being confusingly difficult to follow.

Forum Moderation 101

Shiren.9532:

The WvW community can be a hostile place but look at how hard they have to fight for features against the intentions of some of the designers.

That’s really the crux of the majority of Player vs Developer complaint threads here. The players are aiming their complaints at the ArenaNet brand, but it is actually the business managers and (most probably) NCSoft with whom they really disagree so heatedly.

The “developers” in the game creation studio are gamers, too. The business decision makers tend not to be.

Dawdler.8521:

Virtute.8251:

It’s not the icon, but the person whom wears it, which matters. The icon doesn’t need strobing lights and speculars.

Person doesnt matter either.

What matter is that its a tool, not a cosmetic enhancement. Anet doesnt charge anything for PvE tools and has implemented complex new ones at no charge to PvE players.

And then they do this.

I agree, except that the person does matter. It’s the same as preferring a skilled craftsman in using any other tool. The results are better when skill and attitude are correct.

phirefox.2568:

Are those horrid prices for colored tags a test to determine how far they can push us around without losing players?

Yes, I believe that this is true, and I also believe that the early verbal announcement of the feature is one of: testing those waters before the blog post is scheduled to release (in case of a pending business decision to revise or cancel it) or a dissenting voice at ANet letting it slip in hopes of the former.

phirefox.2568:

Virtute.8251:

100g for each black lion vendor tab unlock. Can’t buy new skins until you unlock the vendor tab.

:D Why stop at that? We could make non-Commanders pay as well! Something like

• Players can now unlock the ability to see Commander Tags from allied Commanders.
  -unlocking the ability to see Blue Commander Tags costs 50g; unlocking the ability to see nonblue-Commander Tags then costs 25g for each color.
• Players can now unlock the ability to join Squads from Commanders.
  -unlocking the ability to join a blue Squad costs 30g; unlocking the ability to join nonblue-squads then costs 15g for each color.

Maybe i should try to get a job at Nexon…

WvW

Added the Ascended Commander icon, which features rainbow coloring and a disco ball strobing effect.

• Unlocks a map-wide soundboard with the following audio commands:
  • “STACK!”
  • “BOMB HERE!”
  • “FOLLOW!”
  • “WAYPOINT!”
  • “BUILD!”
  • “AY OH EE!”
• Can be crafted in the Mystic Forge:
  • 250 Bloodstone Bricks
  • 250 Dragonite Ingots
  • 250 Empyreal Stars
  • 5 Commander’s Compendiums

Kraag Deadsoul.2789:

I’m done; another loyal customer they just flushed down the toilet. Kitten Anet and NCSoft. Just waiting it out until a better RvRvR comes along.

I’ll be asking for a refund on my three soul bound commander pins, and removal of the account bound version.

Ulion.5476:

At least they are giving warning of the large price increase. While a few will get a nice gold bonus. The idea of getting it cheaper now makes me want to buy it but the commander tag is just a icon and does nothing.

Example of the kind of player that we don’t want commanding WvW. Sorry, that’s just not the right attitude for it.

It’s not the icon, but the person whom wears it, which matters. The icon doesn’t need strobing lights and speculars.

100g for each black lion vendor tab unlock. Can’t buy new skins until you unlock the vendor tab.

zen.6091:

Well, let’s break it down nice and easy if any devs actually read this and care.

1. WvW should not be pay-to-command in the first place. The commander icon should be something you eventually earn through playing WvW. Anymore on most servers, you are basically doing a public service for WvW to actually throw up a tag to drive pugs around.

2. The different colors and account bound aspect of the tag should have been features for the commander tag from day one. This is two years in now.

3. A guild tag that is visible to guild members only, hello?

4. The commander icon itself is still has woefully inadequate visibility in typical WvW fights. P.S. so does the cursor. Again, we’re two years in now.

5. The cost of the new tag is hysterical. Many WvW players that have been playing since day one have never even had 300g at any point in time, and they had to beg / scrape together 100g for one tag.

What universe are you guys operating in?

1. I began commanding in my first month (October, 2012) when a friend bought it for me because I was too busy playing WvW to earn gold through play. I had already given ANet money by buying the game, and wasn’t going to buy gems yet.

4. I thought it was hilarious, the day they changed all blue capture point map icons to the same color as the commander pin, where before the pin was a unique blue.

5. It is still common (at least once per week in tier 2) for people to say in chat that they would command the WvW map, but can’t afford the icon.

ANet (and/or NCSoft) water coolers are all spiked with tamazepam.

TinkTinkPOOF.9201:

Charging for a QoL change for the game mode that yields the least income…..I’m done, going to uninstall the game and find something else if it is released like this.

In a subscription model, this would have me cancel and uninstall.

In a buy-to-play model, I’ll just keep playing the parts I do like, but will refuse to pay any more.

Every idiot move like this one raises the bar higher for the when I’ll feel inspired to buy from NCSoft again. They’ve already guaranteed I won’t buy Wildstar, and it’s been a year since I paid anything into GW2.

morrolan.9608:

Vavume.8065:

They will change it, already plenty of complaint threads up, and they will only increase until this idea for tags gets reworked. I feel confident this wont go live and will be changed to something more reasonable.

You mean like the new trait system………..

No, he means like the entire “WvW Discussion” sub-forum for the past 12 months.

They’ll need another year to program and test this, and won’t “feel comfortable” talking about it until Sept. 2015.

Khalic.3561:

But where is that tag that only shows up for your guild? That was the important one.

2015 Feature Pack. $84 USD.

zen.6091:

There’s no other explanation for how these kinds of decisions are made and get stamped off by someone.

Yes, there is.

lordkrall.7241:

Personally I see the reason for this.

We have our own prime example of the kind of “thinking” and “reason” that occurs.

The reality is quite simple. The majority of us who would have taken advantage of the new colored-commander system will not do so, and ANet will have no way of measuring the real ill effects of their ridiculous decision, because they’ll gather no relevant data.

Wanderer.3248:

Maybe I’m being too sensible, but you’d think the ability to change colours on the fly would be the way to go. So if there was a red commander and a blue commander already, you could change your tag to green.

Yes, you can! This exciting new ability is yours for only $42 per color! Trollface.jpg

Baron.8407:

What was asked for during the CDI was a simple usability improvement. Commanders should be able to change color depending on the situation.

“Sure thing! This exciting new feature will cost you $42 per color. Trollface.jpg” — ArenaNet

ConfusedDave.4271:

Making someone pay another 300g just to have a different colour completely negates the ability for people to switch colours to suit the situation and who else is on the map.

The majority of players willing to purchase the alternate colors will be players we don’t want to obey as commanders.

ANet: I might give you $1 USD for an alternate commander pin color. I’ll never give you $42.

1 g costs 0.14 USD to buy through gems.

300 * 0.14 = 42

Fuzzion.2504:

I understand, but what about t3 to t8. I am sure they have gvg guilds that would like to take part.

That’s a good point.

The Officially Unofficial and Unauthorized Guild Wars 2 Fun and Exciting Content team is working on a way for more GvG teams of 20 players to compete using WvW stats, rules, and foods. Although I can’t say when exactly it will be ready, I expect it will be soon.

We can’t talk about what exactly the new GvG mode is right now. Once the development of this new fun and exciting content reaches a state where we, as a team, are comfortable talking about it, we will.

I will try to keep you updated on the progress of this.

Fuzzion.2504:

Rename your tittle at state T2NA

20v20 T2 GVG NA Invitational Tournament: Bald Eagles of the Mist

We at Officially Unofficial and Unauthorized Guild Wars 2 Fun and Exciting Content would like to apologize for any confusion brought forth by not explicitly omitting “T1” every time they aren’t involved in something. Please bear with us and thank you for your understanding.

Yes, it is right.

Needs more videos showing how Tier 2 Obsidian Sanctum is more popular than sPvP arenas, and that private arenas are used for WvW GvG practice by people that won’t follow the upcoming esperts conquest tourney.

Stilk.6312:

You forgot to say that this is gonna be awwwwsome

Yes, we expect this officially unofficial and unauthorized player-organized event to be more competitive and more widely viewed by Guild Wars 2 players than the official and authorized whatever-it-is-the-competitive-what’s-his-name-lead is doing. It will engage players in new and exciting content that engages them in fun and exciting and awwwwsome ways!

This is a dead horse.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/big-changes-coming-to-wvw-matchups/

Whatever the OP has in mind, it’s not going to work any better than what we have now. Been there, done that, on this argument.

Tired of those same old matchups? Hoping to test your mettle against some different opponents? We here at ArenaNet feel the same way.

Up until now, servers have been paired up literally 3 at a time by their precise rating. This doesn’t create a lot of variety in matchups, and it actually locks servers into distinct tiers from which they can never escape!

Welcome to WvW.

This week on Ready Up: Episode… just kidding.

The unauthorized players are organizing unauthorized tournaments for the unofficial (and unauthorized) GvG game mode in both NA and EU regions.

20v20 T2 GVG NA Invitational Tournament: Bald Eagles of the Mist

20v20 GvG EU Tournament: Kings of the Mist

There will be unauthorized in-game prizes, unauthorized streams and unauthorized commentators.

AidanTaylor.3872:

We are creating a video that showcases everything that is great and fun about WvW – epic battles, sieges, quaggan dance parties

There are no quaggan dance parties. Quaggan tonics (baby and adult) do not have emote animations.

sMihaly.1492:

Brb, making a vid about a
*****Quaggans-can’t-dance party*****

Edit: Done!
You can check to full video here:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/1e/Quaggan_tonic_transformation.jpg
/end of sarcasm

I’d glad to see tonics able to dance. At least with dance kit… or whatever. But most of them lack basic emotes too.

:D