Guild Wars 2

Avitori.4853:

^typical wvw shadow arts thief that thinks he’s good. WvW is more of a joke balance wise than pvp ever will

Yeah I get it. Shadow arts instantly means your bad. Trust me, I promise that any thief that can teach me to 1vX with d/d and not SA I’m overly happy and willing to learn.

Didn’t say I was good. I’m probably the worst thief ingame. I use shadow arts so I’m obviously terrible.

Also, you didn’t buy my game for me, don’t tell me how to play it. If I like WvW more than I like pvp, why stop me from WvWing? Because you don’t like it? Yeah, I’ll just play the game I bought based on how you’d like me to.

Feel bad for hijacking caed’s thread, sorry bud. Good duels today, I would love to see a tutorial for thief in tpvp<3

Lux.7169:

Well if you consider ~300 games not much then sure, no need to defend yourself. I’m just saying, from someone supposedly great at dueling, you have a mysteriously low pvp win ratio, which isn’t typical of anyone considered good.

Also, I’ve never heard of you nor remember fighting you, or a ‘nightblade’. I seriously doubt you know me either, and anyone who has fought me remembers my style because it’s definitely not meta in any aspect of the game.

We fought back when the gambling duel servers were popular, was fun. And you seem to fail to realize that there is an incredible difference between being good at 1v1, and being good at tpvp.

Being good at tpvp (Caed should make a guide on this, not d/p imo):
Knows where to be, knows when to decap, run away from a fight, engage, etc
Being good at 1v1:
Winning duels. Quite simple.

And idk, is 300 games a lot? I’ve had this game for 2 years, and have well over 4,000 hours on it, more than 2.5k on thief alone. In that duration of time, is 300 matches of tpvp alot? you tell me
http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/Lux7169
almost 1600 games, but I congratulate you on your 62% rating. So so so much better than 47%. 15 whole % higher!

I’d rarely waste an SR to finish an enemy off while roaming, its got more useful purposes with my d/d build. Its nice to have a ranged weapon, but imo if your going ranged Sbow has better mobillity + AoE.

I chose s/d over the other choices because:

1. It’s not d/p. Honestly just hate this weaponset, the concept is utterly stupid, no offense to those who run it.
2. S/D gives me some nice boonrip that shortbow doesn’t offer
3. It provides a lower cost movement skill than shortbow, with a nice imobilize + condi clear
4. It’s not ranged like p/d, but I find that since the max range for any thief attack (Excluding traited steal) is 900, you can’t stay far enough away for it to be effective. The 3 skill on p/d is excellent for staying away, but it also wastes initiative that may be better suited for a simple cnd + regen and walk away.
5. It maintains quick access to stealth, unlike s/p

The dps from p/d just isn’t worth it, you’ll be mainly bursting with d/d anyways, and it doesn’t offer nearly the amount of utillity that s/d does. s/p would be my second choice, because of the interupt + aoe cleave and the black powder, but I find that being unable to access stealth for 9 seconds without busting a cooldown severely hinders me in larger 1vX situations. Anyways that’s just my opinion, do with it as you wish.

Lux.7169:

http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/XPGAMER7324

That 47% win ratio after ~300 games. Sure, you said dueling, but he must be doing something horribly wrong XD

Yeah I’m pretty bad at tpvp. I barely ever do it, look at the history kitten ur smart enough to do that. But I’ve beaten you enough times 1v1 lux (XPGAMER = Nightblade)

Usually in tpvp we mess around and don’t run serious comps. I run full d/d burst, thats not even close to meta T.T tpvp is the area of the game I see no need to take seriously, I just take WvW seriously (75% of the time :P )

Also wasn’t trolling earlier, as I’m doing now I didnt quote mbelch for the sake of post length. Don’t need my opinion to take a full page XD

MLGKorno.5419:

Nimrud.5642:

I’m really hoping D/P will be buffed soon

I’m really hoping you get your head checked soon if you weren’t trolling when you typed that.

lmao. Welcome to the forums Kronos.

ConRae.3526:

I don’t know why you’re attacking me, but whatever. There is more to a guide than that; he could talk about how to approach different match-ups, rotations, and when to use certain skills, just to name a few examples. But you’re clearly a troll, so your opinion is irrelevant.

Umm… Not attacking you. Also thief doesn’t exactly have rotations, we use the skill best for each situation due to initiative, our next skill isn’t dependent on the skill previously used. I also said that was “Most” of the guide, as in that’d be the gist of it, he could probably go into more detail and make it sound more intelligent. For example, rather than “spam blind to avoid damage” he could say “Tactically use blind on your opponent to mitigate their damage”. Either way, it’s the same concept. Maybe make a guide to tpvp instead, because d/p is very self explanatory.

ConRae.3526:

A. You’re coming off as a hater. The D/P thieves you’ve seen fail are bad then, and like I’ve said before, in the right hands D/P is top tier. A thief’s role in sPvP is to be, but not limited to, a roamer and help out teammates wherever they need help. Which is turning a 1v1 into a 2v1 in your favor, then leaving to go help elsewhere.

B. A lot of good thieves play D/P, including the OP.

A. I use letters instead of numbers too sometimes

2. I can switch back to numbers whenever I kitten well please

III. No one said I can’t use roaming numerals

D. Lot’s of d/p thieves are terrible, should never lose to my d/d (Yet they do T.T )

5. I don’t think a guide will change that, I mean theres a reason that the player chose d/p. It’s the easiest of any thief weaponset to learn, I don’t see much of a reason for a guide.

6. What do you intend to teach in the guide? 5 1 1 1 2 1, interupt with 4, 3 is gap close, 2 when their low. When your health gets low, heal. Stunbreak out of stuns. Don’t miss your mug. Sorry if I spoilled most of the guide for you

7. D/p is the last thief weapon set that needs a buff, it is already very abusable. Should nerf it so that you cannot abuse it, but still have it useable in the way it was intended

8. Let me streambomb you again caed plz

goldy.3801:

Fantastic video bro. High caliber as usual. Cant wait for the next one.

Glad you enjoyed. New vid coming soon so stay tuned

I’m also streaming on twitch, and got a twitter account if you want to check em out:

http://www.twitch.tv/gw2_nightblade
https://twitter.com/Gw2_Nightblade

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQJAoYlsMp0pdPxyJ8PNBNBtdFGeI4uGrYGaFAA-TFCFwA61DA4BAcVJISleCOBAOVGUb/BVq/QKgIWGB-w

D/D build that I use in my outnumbered videos. Figured I’d post the build here to make it easier, feel free to check out the videos I use it in. (Forums Signature -> yt channel)

TheThiefMaster.3812:

Awesome vid as always Nightblade , the fight at north camp especially was great.

Yeah, the omegas make it pretty epic. After the video cuts off, we were still fighting, but my recorder lagged so I couldn’t show anymore of it. Was a lot of fun tho xD

MightyMicah.7451:

Awesome job as usual! …

By the way, if you ever want to team up and gang some FA (I’m SOS), definitely hit me up!

Yeah for sure

Sithaco.4673:

Have you got Jump and Dodge keybound to the same thing?

Nope, I just press em at the same time. Jump is my spacebar, dodge is my ‘v’, and my thumb convieniently sits on both of em. I’ve been jump dodging since I started playing the game xD

Emi.4152:

1. add commentary
2. more! :P
3. d/p thieves, p/d condi thieves, condi engineers!

Currently making a training video on how to 1v1 vs every common thief build + weaponset using d/d. Putting alot of time and effort into it, so it’ll be very thorough and a nice vid to watch. Should be published in the next week or 2.

Hey guys, here comes my 4th video in the series, please enjoy and leave me feedback on what you think. I’ve got a few questions for you

1. Do you like montage + music, or would you rather have me commentate with my beautiful commentator voice?

2. Solo roaming vs Small Team Roaming. Which do you like seeing more?

3. What haven’t I done, that you’d like to see?

Thanks again guys, I appreciate all the positive support and feedback I’ve been getting, It helps a lot. I’ll be releasing another in-depth d/d training video soon, so be sure to keep an eye out And dont forget to subscribe<33

Any questions, please let me know here, or in the youtube comments section. I’m usually online so just send me a pm or ingame mail, and I’ll get back to you asap

RantOn

Define “Cheese”. I play d/d and beat lots of condi p/d thieves, its not impossible O.o

The problem with cheese is that it’s different to each player. d/p is cheese to one player, and not cheese to another. This leads to the conclusion that cheese is defined as whatever a player cannot beat.

When you lose, you have more or less 3 options to choose from:
1. Blame it on something (lag, my keyboard died, a wild racoon attacked me, etc)
2. Blame the other person’s build and call them cheese
3. Own up to it, admit that you made mistakes, learn from them, and improve

More players need to choose option 3 because most players choose option 1 or 2.

Final advice, play what you love most and have the most fun with, don’t care about what other players say about it. If I listened to every player that called d/d the weakest weapon set in the game, I’d probably be maining d/p. I guess the fun part is just proving em wrong (;

RantOff

MightyMicah.7451:

Great stuff, man! I swear those Incinerators look like mini lightsabers lol.

I made 2 of em before the patch lol T.T But their definitely worth it

goldy.3801:

Nice video darling, its gets better each thyme.

More soon.

Was lots of fun making that, and lots of fun watching too. Interesting to see what your doing while I’m out of view killing other people. Nice job editing XD

Xenofly.9321:

Well, but what’s the best, meta? I need for gank.

Used to be lyssa but since the nerf, lyssa isn’t really viable anymore. For roaming I’d say pack runes are the best, but for gank if you need heavy DPS you may want to try strength runes, Hoelbrak, Rage, or possibly even Eagle.

And I wouldn’t use ogre because when u stealth, the dog follows you around… #Stalker
Don’t use air either, because the lightning will reveal u. If that didn’t happen, air would be a pretty cool runeset for thieves >:)

fabz.4736:

…the best youtubers/streamers for there weapon sets are

D/D- Nightblâdê <3333333333333333333333333333333333333
S/D – Amonatory
D/P – Caed

im sure there are other great players out there but these 4 stand out to me

You… I like you…. <3

Emi.4152:

makee moreee! :>

some ideas for your next video :P

1. cnd -> shadowstep -> ini sig -> steal (worrying about cooldowns is for loserrrs xP viva la gap close!!)
2. free camera -> backstab -> shadowstep
3. autoattack 1 -> dodge

i’m sure i’m forgetting a bunch more… teach us your secrets T^T!

Glad you liked it xD Next video will most likely be an outnumbered, but maybe I can put together another training video fast, we’ll see :P

messiah.1908:

you got my vote
maybe we see more thieves if more exp thieves will show tutorial instead of just 1v1 or 1vx video

for your next (or mine) try to do thief v other class tutorial lessons

Was actually planning on it haha, I’ve done 1v1’s for a super long time so I got lots of experience doing it. That’ll probably come after my next outnumbered vid so stay tuned

AlCojester.4316:

I’ve literally been checking these forums daily just for another one of your vids! Helped a lot, especially the more advanced tricks You have my vote for more training videos and outnumbered ones too

Glad you liked, thanks for the feedback! New outnumbered video soon, so be ready. Gunna be epic

Hey all, here’s a nice training video I’ve been working on, I hope you enjoy! The purpose of the video is to focus on specifically the cloak and dagger skill. It is very thorough in providing tips and tricks, starting with beginner tips and moving into more advanced tricks as the video progresses. I’d love to hear some feedback as to whether I should make more training videos like this, or just stick to making outnumbered videos. I’d be happy to answer any questions in this forum, or in the youtube comments. (Always feel free to msg me ingame too)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRASCa__fE8&feature=youtu.be

Some Notes:

The first clip is a training excerise used to help you learn to time your cloak and dagger, please do not assume I am trying to teach how to permastealth in a fight (your targets wont stand still, and they will dodge).

In the end clip, i get revealed due to a newer bug associated with steal/mug, causing it to delay and therefore get me revealed (Don’t worry, the concept is still properly demonstrated )

I did not run my normal 2 6 6 0 0 build, as it this video is not build dependent, it rather focuses only on the cloak and dagger skill.

Thanks, and enjoy!

panicbutton.1053:

I would recommend yishis channel on YouTube. He has great commentary for anyone that is new to a thief. He’s not biased, and gets straight to the point. Also has fantastic footage along side it all.

Doesn’t matter which weapon set you want to use, he will teach you great intuitive thinking on thieves .

His last vid was uploaded… 6months ago… lol

mPascoal.4258:

It’s an option, altough if I try this I will do it with full valkyrie armor since that what I use for D/D and the runes are the same, so I will lose a bit of crit chance.
I might try this first, less expensive

Or just stay d/d plox. Game needs more d/d thieves T.T

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsYVl0Mp0pdPxwJ8PNxLh4960v1dRg+iC-TFTBABJqH4hHAgZKBj4QAclSsuUeMkaKooJgo9HW4IAkjqFAcCAIEwoFA-w

Just something I threw together quick. It’ll hit harder than the build u posted, but u do lose a little hp and precision due to the lack of Critical Strikes.

Gains:
-Damage (Higher power, same crit damage, more traits that add +% damage ex. Exposed Weakness)
-An interupt and decreased cd for steal
-Mug (very nice burst heal, especially with a low steal cd)
-Access to poison, and additional weakness to help limit opponents healing + damage

Losses:
-3k hp (Comes from Practiced Tolerance mostly, and with guard stacks it won’t matter very much imo)
-12% chance to crit (I find that with fury, 67% crit chance is the most you’ll want because it seems to crit just about every time with that. This build gets u to 62% opposed to 74%(I deem uneccessary )
-Vigor on heal. (I just like dat might better)
-Executioner (Yes, this is a sad loss </3)
-Pain Response (Generally I don’t find this trait very useful anyways)
-Fury when they get low, but u’ll probably have enough fury anyways

Did this sort of fast so I hope I didn’t miss anything, let me know what u think

Hydroseeds.5408:

Nice video bro, have a slice of pizza on me

xD haha thanks for the feedback! Glad to see people are liking the vid

Belzeber.4351:

I see. Thank you for the response! I’m considering your build and I’m wondering whether I should get a third set of armor. (Already have berserker and condi.) I’ve always wanted a tanky build that can still kitten the deeps so yours seems to be that build!

Haha its not that tanky, but its survivable enough to get some nice stomps off and have the abillity to recover (: glad I could help out

Belzeber.4351:

Would you ever use Eagle Runes if you had them? I’m currently using them in my own thief’s build but I wanted to know if they’re better than/worse than the Pack runes you’re using in your build.

No I think that pack runes are better than eagle for a few reasons. Pack runes provide much more power than the runes of the eagle, and if you already have a high crit damage then this power will add to your damage more than the ferocity will. Secondly the fury and swiftness uptime(Theoretically 50%) are extremely nice from the pack runes. The swiftness helps to make up for the speed lost by not having traveler runes, and the fury greatly increases your average damage output. The stack of might isn’t wonderful, but it does add to your overall dps. Eagle runes would probably work well in conjunction with a more glassy executioner build though xD

alchemyst.2165:

Very nice gameplay. I also noticed this video was uploaded on my birthday

I really enjoyed watching, you have a very nice playstyle.

Happy birthday Thanks alot, I really appreciate the positive feedback <3

mPascoal.4258:

XPGAMER.7324:

mPascoal.4258:

XPGAMER.7324:

mPascoal.4258:

xbutcherx.3861:

can you share your build please?

Video description
Hey a question. Why Pack Runes and not Stregth?
A bit based on your build, what do you think of this? This is what I’m thinking to get

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoYVlsMp0pdPxyJ8PNhPBtdAedD4OEX4DdNDA-TlCEwAp2fgwDAgpSMDnpApKP6ovZgJIAHCgGKBdp+TAAEA25O3ZIDQ1CA-w

I like runes of the pack better than strength because of the increased precision as well as the chance at fury and swiftness.

I guess I can try those before Strength, they are cheaper, thats a plus
Also, have you ever tried Runes of the Stregth, or you have allways roamed you Runes of the Pack, even before the runes change (before I would use Traveler)

I’ve ran these (In order):
Beryl Orbs
Ruby Orbs
Travelers
Lyssa
Strength
Back to travelers
Pack

And pack runes were probably my favorite out of them all. Strength let me hit hard and stack more might, but pack runes were very convinient for raising my precision and giving me the fury I lack due to 0 in trickery.++

Thanks for the feed back. I’ll start with Runes of the Pack since they are cheaper (10g vs 88g from Strength). With Pack I will also be able to have more power since i will run with Power Potions and not Precision. I’ll most likely try both anyway

But the damage difference is significant?

I think strength hits a bit harder, but not by very much. Higher precision with pack runes + fury help you crit more as well, so keep that in mind when determining your damage output.

mPascoal.4258:

XPGAMER.7324:

mPascoal.4258:

xbutcherx.3861:

can you share your build please?

Video description
Hey a question. Why Pack Runes and not Stregth?
A bit based on your build, what do you think of this? This is what I’m thinking to get

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoYVlsMp0pdPxyJ8PNhPBtdAedD4OEX4DdNDA-TlCEwAp2fgwDAgpSMDnpApKP6ovZgJIAHCgGKBdp+TAAEA25O3ZIDQ1CA-w

I like runes of the pack better than strength because of the increased precision as well as the chance at fury and swiftness.

I guess I can try those before Strength, they are cheaper, thats a plus
Also, have you ever tried Runes of the Stregth, or you have allways roamed you Runes of the Pack, even before the runes change (before I would use Traveler)

I’ve ran these (In order):
Beryl Orbs
Ruby Orbs
Travelers
Lyssa
Strength
Back to travelers
Pack

And pack runes were probably my favorite out of them all. Strength let me hit hard and stack more might, but pack runes were very convinient for raising my precision and giving me the fury I lack due to 0 in trickery.++

mPascoal.4258:

xbutcherx.3861:

can you share your build please?

Video description
Hey a question. Why Pack Runes and not Stregth?
A bit based on your build, what do you think of this? This is what I’m thinking to get

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoYVlsMp0pdPxyJ8PNhPBtdAedD4OEX4DdNDA-TlCEwAp2fgwDAgpSMDnpApKP6ovZgJIAHCgGKBdp+TAAEA25O3ZIDQ1CA-w

I like runes of the pack better than strength because of the increased precision as well as the chance at fury and swiftness.

xbutcherx.3861:

can you share your build please?

Check the link in the youtube description =D

Renegade.6240:

maybe some thief guides ? I SUCK at thief :/ searched for guides in everywhere but they were way too old, I need a new guide for wvw or i ‘ll break my keyboard.
nevermind, think i’ll play a warrior :S

Yeah I would be open to posting some guides to d/d, I don’t see enough thieves playing d/d tbh and it makes me sad. Just give me some time and I’ll see what I can come up with >:)

Xukavi.4320:

A question regarding your sigils, I thought flame and lightning on crit sigils don’t work together. Was this changed in a recent patch or something?

Yes, this change came with the ferocity balancing patch. I also changed the fire sigil to a force sigil and forgot to update the build, so tyvm

messiah.1908:

@emi d/d thief is mainly cnd and bs you dont spam skills. maybe 1 hs if you target below 25% hp so ini should not be any problem

The problem is landing all of those skills though. Everyone, regardless of class or build, has at least 2 dodges. Unfortunately I only have 2 cloak and daggers before I cant spam em anymore

Usually about a video per month, but maybe I can step it up if you guys are enjoying them enough

Hey guys, just finished my third thief roaming vid! Please leave some feedback and let me know if you liked it.
Also for anyone wanting to duel I’m on maguuma(in description), and I’d be more than happy to. Ingame mail is probably the easiest way to contact me, and I try to respond as soon as possible.

Also, I’d be happy to answer any questions you have, so feel free to ask them here or in the youtube comments section!

Enjoy!
*You can also PM me ingame @Nightblâdê
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DragonKing.3659:

Btw, what did you use to edit this time? It looks great!

Thanks I used adobe premiere this time haha, you should check it out!

doomknife.7498:

BTW, how is D/D doing nowadays, against other thief builds and other classes? I’ve seen this vid and got REALLY impressed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thGwGzQvajw

lol dats my vid glad you liked. D/D just faster paced and more fun than d/p imo. Much stronger vs interupt builds as well. Just a lot harder to play, so not many thieves use it.

Basically there is a short period of time after their flanking strike where the game will not let them evade even if they have endurance. Most evasive skills have this period, so you just need to learn to time a cnd to hit exactly then. I use that a lot when I fight amon, but its pretty hard to land sometimes.

You can also fake a cloak and dagger, by pressing cloak and dagger and then a binded key to stow your weapon (Neat trick). This usually makes players waste dodges like crazy if you do it well enough, and it’s also handy to cancel a cloak and dagger that would get blinded, evaded, or blocked.

If this seems too hard though, you could just pickup d/p like most thieves and blind spam to win Hope my advice helped(:

MrSimpleMan.6194:

Epic video.

Would you mind sharing your build if that’s not too much to ask with armor types etc. Would love that. Thanks

Link to build is in the vid description if u wanna check it out xD

FinalPatriot.8034:

Nicely played!

The thing I learned about this build is that if you’re good, you pretty much become an unstoppable force of death and destruction. As there is little room for mistakes, the average player can get taken down rather quickly. You clearly have much more skill than me as I never was that impressive on my D/D thief.

Playing a condi/tank D/D Ele, I tend to find full zerker thieves to be much less of a threat. With 3K+ armor, 1700+ condi damage and a sload of regen, I typically take now most thieves w/o too much trouble. The more skilled players like you end up in a massive duel that lasts so long one of us ends up falling asleep at the keyboard.

Yeah would be an interesting and long fight for sure! The build I use isn’t very tolerant to mistakes, simple dodges can counter cloak and dagger. Miss one and your in trouble, miss two and blow a utillity/heal, and if your out of utillities you’re pretty much dead. Thanks for the input, and I’ll be making more videos soon so stay tuned

Thanks spidy

Hey guys, just finished my second vid! Let me know what you think. I did a better job with editing this time, making the music fit the fights etc. Some decent fights, and great musix. Shorter this time, by your request, it’s about 7minutes long. Just a fun and entertaining video with some epic moments<3

Also, I’d be happy to answer any questions you have, so feel free to ask them here or in the youtube comments section!

Enjoy!
*You can also PM me ingame @Nightblâdê
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Strider.3861:

Wow, great vid! That’s some really awesome d/d skill, and from that ele as well! I’m looking forward to more

Thanks! We’ll be sure to post more soon

Justine.6351:

Just wiped a bronze thief with thieves guild + rock dog…

Do they really still do that? rotfl xD

Justine.6351:

I find this amusing cause last night I was gutting thieves left and right on my warrior. Was hillarious doing a 1v2 against 2 thieves, i drop one so his buddy drops SR on him for revive. I just nuke the spot with LB then flurry. Like 10sec latter they both reappear in downed state lol. Dropped one later with snow leopard and stealth spiked them. ;-)
Run all day if you want, but if you turn to fight you are getting run down.

Yeah lots of thieves just run from fights, I don’t get it either. But warriors that greatsword rush away aren’t any less common