Guild Wars 2

Shifty.4985:

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176:

Fuzzion.2504:

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176:

oh i miss the SOR and their animated GIFs, where did they go.
forums seems to be so boring with them gifs.

You need to first attract the trolls. This may work. Lets see.

oh nice…

SOR wiped BG, BG wiped JQ and JQ wiped SOR but BG wiped better squeaky clean not even the roaches survived.

is that good enough to bait them?

But just now, CA ran from us .. soo
did you sign a new contract with Nike?

oh it started! that was a good bait.

CA do not wear nike, we are sponsored by Jordan, MJ why walk when you can port.
portal bomb that is LOL.

Fuzzion.2504:

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176:

oh i miss the SOR and their animated GIFs, where did they go.
forums seems to be so boring with them gifs.

You need to first attract the trolls. This may work. Lets see.

oh nice…

SOR wiped BG, BG wiped JQ and JQ wiped SOR but BG wiped better squeaky clean not even the roaches survived.

is that good enough to bait them?

aspirine.6852:

Give it something else besides the stealth. That kind of thing should not be in a game like this. Give the thief some attack speed or whatever, stealth is just so lame kitten .

ok what will attack speed do and crit do to guardians and wars, mes eles bunker build? our skill is for 1v1, our armor is low, our hp is low. so basically we are just like another MOA ready to be slaughtered.

bag drop rates are low these days, our zerg clash vs SOR and JQ, alot of casualties on both sides and wtf i get? 8pcs of claws, 12 pcs of spikes, leathers and 5 bags, 6 badges. i mean whats up?

oh i miss the SOR and their animated GIFs, where did they go.
forums seems to be so boring with them gifs.

this is just a QQ from a guy who got demolished by a roaming thief so it seems, probably has not seen any roaming wars, guards, mes and eles. instead of learning how to play better.

i think they need to merge this thread with burnfall’s twice the fun reading posts like this.

hihey.1075:

There is NO way that a D/P thief should lose to a D/D thief.
Except if the first is really, REALLY, bad, or the latter is insanely good.

I believe D/D is only slightly better if you get caught by surprise by a bigger group of people. But if you are aware of your surroundings and constantly move the camera around when you are fighting (as you should do in WvW) D/P is vastly superior.
Moreover, there is a high chance that if the 3+ group of people you are fighting has some decent players, you will miss your CnD at least once and if they interrupt your heal with any form of cc you are pretty much done for.

this comes a guy who plays mes and ele?

this i have to disagree, more skills available for use does not mean your more superior. it all comes down on the skill of the person using that thief.

wow another burnfall thread, you seem to have a lot of fans here, but this post was not as funnya s the last one.

what server does this guy play on?

QQ thread about stealth is late, usually it comes at tuesdays.

Jahn.7019:

You just said you don’t have a lot of people but you want good fights.

Stop being so sensitive and go GvG.

The funny thing is, I was being non-malicious and serious.

not everyone has a thing for GVG TBH. but it would be better if we just settle it the old fashion way, the real WVW way.

Evilek.5690:

Rayya.2591:

So what can you do when you face 1 of the best thieves eu ? (with legendary , second legendary in progress, high fractal lvl , mediocre sPvP lvl , “major” rank , leaderboard top 200 ) , considering that he is angry cause you just killed him, and he want to lick his wounds ?
It is lame to drag the fight away from his “black powder” ?
find the answer below , after 40 minutes of trolling

Make me day.
BTW Tokinatus is pro Thief he solo captured supply camp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9MpMKAhDCE =)

seriously? that makes a pro thief?

Hi Starscream, please keep it to you and Titan, do not assume everything he say represents CA or BG, i would just like to disagree on your 4 numbered theory.

1. this i will not comment this is Titans decision.

2. this is not true, he always tries to jump in to battles head first nor tries to chase the tail of the zerg when we are positioning, stacking, he tends to roam on his own when he feels he wants more fights – his attention was called numerous times regarding this by CA, that in my book is the opposite of running away.

3. how can Titan have knowledge as you say when his application was rejected, and was not a member? and yes CA will run away from a fight if certain circumstances are not on our favor, we do respect the morale of BG so we do not just toss bodies to die, that is what we try to protect. Even IRON tries to run and try to position themselves for a good flank, im sure you know this.

4. CA does not have any knowldge of IRON, you are making it sound that we are obsessed with your guild, only thing we know is when scouts tell IRON’s location. BG does not runaway again, its just the odds are not on our favor this week and with JQs return it becomes harder when defending 2 fronts, fairweathers lose interest easily when this happens but still we try with what we have, as others have said in WVW you win some, you lose some.

we respect IRON/SOR and JQ etc. please try to keep the trolling between you and Titan do no assume everyone in our guild nor BG does the same.

Crimson Riddles.3892:

Polismassa.6740:

Vash.9183:

Rhaegus.8924:

Vash.9183:

Out of pure curiosity since I like to keep up with these things, what guilds joined JQ while you were out of “tier 1” and from what servers? Definitely want to know!

Since our last confrontation we lost [ACO] and [WARD] to SoR,
and we gained Zombieland[WvW]

That’s about it, the rest are still the same old guilds you’re facing.

Suuuure [WvW] is a new guild. :P

Anyway, a couple JQ mentioned new guilds (particularly NA timezone) joined. Just wanted a name or two, but I guess trolling is a good enough answer.

He wasn’t trolling, we gained Zombieland from GoM (you can look them up, they actually exist xD) but we did lose two decent sized, fairly “hardcore” guilds in WARD and ACO. so in the end, our overall WvW population is virtually unchanged.

I’m really not sure what’s up with BG this week. I’m sure that the being focused fairly heavily by both servers in several time zones is not helping, but the BG i know would never drop down to 50 PPT during NA prime regardless. I’ve heard rumours of some internal drama, I don’t really want to know what’s going on, that’s for you guys to sort out, but I certainly hope things go back to normal soon.

This is Blackgates training week.

sorry but no, this is us, Blackgate getting our kitten handed to us week, LOL, JQ sure is bloodthirsty, but it is still to early in the week. good fights on all sides.

Derpnoob.2875:

oxide.8324:

kitten noob.2875:

THIS is how you defend a tower against a BG blob. This video has been brought to you by DA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBADegmzsXA

This is for you Ben.

Looks like someone only just figured out arrow carts and choke points are amazing for defending.

Just trying to share something with you guys, sheesh.

great fights last night guys. hats off to JQ and SOR.

i ambushed 1 SOR roaming thief after stomping suddenly a 5 man KISS came and was lucky to survive the onslaught!

i was like

Ljiona.9142:

celeron.3469:

I feel bad for WARD and Aco.

Because they picked a server for the challenge rather than joining the band-wagon?

why where did WARD and ACO go? didnt they just join SOR a few weeks ago?

kylejester.7568:

Shifty.4985:

kylejester.7568:

Coming from ProRunner2013 this is hilarious.

I assume this is directed to CA?

What? No, it is directed to the guy I was responding to

so much love we are getting from IRON, we love you too IRON/TW and SOR.

Starscream.7803:

Pot when BG runs from us, whats left to fight? If you guys would just man up and realise if you die in game you dont die in real life you could actually fight us.

hi Star, there is a difference between running, fighting smart and suicide, we calculate if our position is to our advantage as well as numbers, we dont just jump in whenever we see SOR and IRON. I am sure you know this IRON/SOR or any other server does this. it is not a question of you not die in game or not but the morale of BG people who runs with us, they should have the mind set that the commander is leading them to glory not slaughter.

pot.6805:

Mirsa.1628:

Here is a nice picture from earlier today of BG running away from their tower as we cap it without resistance.

BG was outmanned at the time and had multiple towers being attacked at once. If you notice, they are running to the other tower.

I’m still laughing that you thought a screenshot of the 10 ppl on the map trying to defend multiple objectives was going to be a good chest thump.

this made my day.

i think im gonna pass, any thing more than a 5 man thief roaming solo im out, i do roam solo or with 2-4 guys thieves or not. if you zerg on an all thief you get rolled easily by enemy zerg, just eles, guardians are a pain. plus those thieves guild are pretty much paper.

but you can troll the enemy zerg once you dive in, all go stealth D/P style, blinds and leave thieves guild then flank them.

Blaec.8617:

Thanks for the bag farm tonight CA we love your bags <33

wow wondering how many bags did those 2 CA drop?

yes thats pure damage, instagib people in wvw and dps champs.

snaplemouton.1294:

I am not trolling no. It’s hard enough to to write a post full of rage about stealth (I hate stealth in every PvP game that incorporate this utterly annoying concept of being invisible)

Ghostwolf.9863:

Not necessarily.

Staff with runes and wells, direct counter to melee thieves.
The blinding well in particular is really annoying for dagger offhand thieves.

In condition builds chain fear and burst.
Minion builds are also pretty tough to fight as thief.

I’m condition heavy, but aside from having to use my utily wall, I need life force to go in death shroud for my fear.
And fear barely last long enough for me to land a hit.
I guess I’ll give a shot to the staff even tho I hate it with a passion, I guess the radius buff might make it more enjoyable.
I thought about the blind well, but on a 50 seconds CD he counters it with any stealth that isn’t CND.
And actually, the only time I nearly killed him was under my plague spamming bleed and blind, but then again he stealthed with one of his numerous stealth (He also had the ground AE stealth utility) and blinked with his bow… somewhere.
Also, I hate minion master.

Do you know if thieves can still perma stealth?

its better you should ask in Necro’s forums not thieves because it will sound like your really trolling, Necros are not designed to go 1 on 1, thats thieves specialty. You must remember that CnD can be used from any where to ambient creatures and all.

and yes there is still that stealth but i wont call it perma.

just use the hood, and transmute it over to higher items, no hood loot for medium armors.

there is only 3 hoods, 1 is that one, 2 is the whispers for human, 3 coe also has.

you can check this thread.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Strongest-Backstab-build/first#post2475273

Issues.5789:

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176:

125% may i ask what is your build and items?i only got 122%.

It’s called Travalane stats. Newest and most op thing yet. I recently made up 139% crit damage as of today.

im not sure if this was a sarcastic reply or not but how’d you get that? traits and runes and armors please? Screenshot would be good too.

eithinan.9841:

Clockradio.3257:

IBountyHunterI.4601:

SoR BL has been a blast tonight. Hopefully we give these T1 people the idea that yes we are actually in this match up.

From my (rather limited, admittedly) experience in this matchup, I think the reason why you see a lot of SoR and BG people disappointed is because DB has been running away from a lot of fights, even when you have comparable numbers. Also, I’ve seen more than a few 5-10 man teams going about their business, and SoR/BG don’t really play like that.

Take it for what you want, but that’s what I’ve seen.

Funny you mention this. I stomped a group of tsym yesterday with a few people and they went scampering back to their keep when there was even numbers.

ohh this right here is gonna be the start of sor vs db in the forums.

i would suggest get one now, and get one later, there will be ascended weps and armor so your hands will be full then.

get incinerators and dreamer, they look awesome.

akamon.2769:

anyone need a /hug? or cookies?

just offering. : ))

id take the cookies, but for the hug i think, i will pass not unless your kate upton or scarlet johansson.

globe.7238:

Kytana.5079:

Mance.5640:

Don’t worry SoR, you are an official T1 server now for life anyhow, as Prx/Ward just bandwagoned over to you!

You can’t say your stacked until that particular group of spineless groupies pays you a visit.

It was this exact type toxic environment that we were trying to get away from on JQ. We did not ever say in public such a thing to prevent any fall out from it but that is the plain and simple truth. It’s one of the major reasons we moved.

I dont typically post on these things because quite frankly I dont care that you or your guild left. But if you’re going to try and say our community was toxic thats only because YOU put that wedge there. YOUR guild was the one going around insulting the casuals or “pugs” calling them “rally trains” and what not. YOUR guild was the one who didnt want anyone other than your guild mates running around with you. YOUR guild were the ones that instead of trying to help improve the server or explain to people things you instead claimed it was a “lost hope”. Oh wait razeth tried to make that guild IC but no one cared…but why? Because YOUR guilds overall egotistical holier than thou attitude is what made people not listen to you in the first place. Odd how it seems the driving force was due to your own doing huh? So please, continue to spew your nonsense of how toxic our community is but don’t forget to paint the whole picture.

/inb4banforspeakingthetruth

it would be an interesting week next week once JQ joins T1 again.

125% may i ask what is your build and items?i only got 122%.

Good fight tonight at EB, iron and company as well as DB. cheers!

kishter.9578:

So this is? we will be confronting a server who can que the 4 maps in a time when SOR have less than 100 people in wvw over the 4 BL? 25k gaps and is just Monday. What desire give me to start playing WvW starting my week when we already have a clear disadvantage like this?

This is stupid i will level my alts and Spam COF untill this get balanced—-

WvW is only fun when the match is balanced and equal power, but this is far from ridiculous.

Dont lose hope man [ slaps kishter with wet fish ], everyone counts, if you dont have the numbers then go with roamers i hear DB has good ones. Flip camps, and towers use scouts know where the zerg is, go the other side of the map ninja some towers. you also have an advantage being small, They’re big your small, they’re slow, you’re fast, you’ll be coordinated they’re not, or some ballsy move you can chase the zerg’s tail pick them one by one at the back.

Titan.3472:

Rednik.3809:

Titan.3472:

After spending one month in SoR server to help beating JQ, I could see the new matchup with DB instead of JQ. I am more than happy that I transfered back to BG at reset. And I found a good guild of harcore players like me : Center of Attention [CA].
Was a blast farming [IRON] bags in EB last 12hours. I heard that your commander was screaming in TS to focus us (but never worked^^) I am recording nice videos and I ll make a best of ^^. About [KISS] … same happened to you in EB

Thanks for good laugh, really funny post. I even know now who was that hysterical CA guardian, who running and spamming /lol after we own you with half of your numbers (almost 30 min of spam, you must be really frustrated). Love you and your “harcore” mates, /cheers.

First I don’t play guardian but warrior. Second I respect my opponent enough not to /emote after wipping them en boucle. Respecting the fighters even if I know your lacking skills.

i ran WvW with CA and new recruit Titan at EB yesterday for almost 7 hours, i only recall we got wiped twice or 3 times by a really big SOR zerg and yes by iron and company, but i dont recall being wiped by a smaller force, nor anyone disrespecting the fallen enemies on our zerg. we dont have time to stop and emote as our commander is running non stop and reminds is not to scatter around and chasing few players. but still respect to SOR and DB, even with all the accusations thrown back and forth all server long we still look up to you guys and seek challenge. respect to all.

MagisterEpic.2340:

For everyone that wants to see this is the video of our Golem vs Golem fight in BG BL Bay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaUQOmicsKE

ty for watching

wow that was awesome…

btowl.7869:

nice golem rush on bg bl bay. Was better than all the Michael Bay Transformers movies

video please, gotta see it!

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

I suppose the issue is more with running a thief in a zerg than running a shortbow in a zerg. Thieves generally have shorter range on their ranged weapons, and they rely on melee attacks to do the most damage. Problem is, they also have no protection, very low health, and most of their defenses come from blinds and evades, which leaves the thief open to being swarmed. They can contribute meaningfully to melee trains, though.

That said, the Shortbow seems like a logical choice for a zerg fight. The bouncing projectile does relatively high damage while tagging multiple enemies. The cluster bomb can spam a blast finisher as well as do an AoE attack or a highly dispersed ran on enemies. The evade shot is decent for escapes and defending yourself from a zerg. The poison shot can poison people and also spam weakness in an area. The shadow shot is a good movement and escape skill.

Considering the alternative is lolpistol, the shortbow definitely wins. There are several things a thief can contribute to a mindless zerg. One of my favorites is scorpion wire, which is really useful for yanking an enemy right into your frontline, killing them very quickly.

yes even it is not a consistent skill still is fun pulling people down from tower walls, but i do sometimes say GET OVER HERE, fun times.

Sparks.3275:

JaredKincade.9761:

SoR,

You and JQ did this to yourselves. The constant focusing of BG since we entered Tier 1 this last time has trained us into a lean mean fighting force.

If any person denies that this has been happening, they are not paying attention. The scores show the true story.

When we fight JQ with DB, we destroyed the weekly score. So far this week when we have fought SoR with DB we have been leading heavily.

BG was not this dominant when we entered the tier. Both server’s attempts to push us out has caused us to strengthen and adapt, this includes getting new guilds. Guilds are attracted to a server that doesn’t crumble under pressure. You provided the pressure.

For weeks we have endured it. Now you are reaping what you’ve sown by having to deal with the Beast gate you helped to create.

perfect.

perfect, and may i add, those numbers you see in all maps are not just guilds here but mostly PVE blackgate people going in, probably they are motivated or bored, but i say motivated as the recent turn of events they maybe fairweather at times but they do help and like DB, they are persistent. BG pugs will chase down anything that is not our color, kitten they even kill the rangers pet, not to mention map chat is quite funny as the pugs will say to the commander, zerg went that way go there, lets kill, or someone tag up please. so bloodthirsty.

Travlane whats your crit damage % ?

maybe he was dueling you to show the CnD bug? but anyway we are all thieves here so lets just help each other out instead of just arguing.

Travlane, that HP and my HP are the same. are you GC build?

Neuromancer.2148:

When we tick low, people were calling the coroners to put a toe tag on our ‘dead’ server. Now that we’re finally getting into the meta and playing to win, people whine that we don’t take to the field all the time like we used to.

I guess since we can’t please anyone, we’ll just have fun, oppa Blackgate style! hat tip to our awesome Korean guilds

Yeah they really hardcore and dedicated.

Travlane.5948:

@zeke idk what it is but its not a L2P issue. u r right. lag? maybe idk. but i DO know that when i record my fights…..it looks totally different watching it on the recording than what i saw in person.

@vavuume its so obviously not a l2p issue…if u think it is it really shows inexperience.

this is not l2p issue, i only use thief fact is it is only toon i have, i will have my nuts cut off and delete 3 my legendaries if this is l2p but its not. ive been ambushing, fighting, roaming duel and zerging and it is the first time it really happened in my 4 months of playing. even fails on a simple mobs.

this is not a lag or timing or whatever, fact is a lot of guy are having this issue, i even cnd a vet sentry and it often fails now its like a 70% chance to fail stealth. this did not happen before only this patch.

Lanimal.6541:

This has probably been bought up many times before in various forms but I wanted to get this suggestion off my chest as I feel that on the whole it is a lot less demanding for the developers than some of the larger requests to fix WvWvW. I think if such a change is implemented it would be stage one of making WvWvW a more organized environment and to a certain extent less zergy if utilized properly.

When a commander decides to pop their tag they get three options; Public, Guild and Party.

PUBLIC COMMANDER TAG

A public commander tag would be typically utilized by the map commander, militia commander or mixed group commander. This tag is viewable by anyone on the map. Anyone who opens up their map, whether they be militia or players from other guilds can see this tag. There should be no color changes / image changes for the public commander tag. It should stay as the current default blue dorito icon. Diversity in this tag would lead to a lot of confusion for the masses.

GUILD COMMANDER TAG

A guild commander tag would be gold/brown in color and have the guild TAG over them. This icon can only be viewed by OTHER COMMANDERS as well as your fellow guildies on the map. This allows for the militia commander to easily keep track of friendly guild groups and coordinate with them easier. It also gives the option for the guild groups (that currently use ctrl+T) to run by themselves but still avoid attracting the masses.

There should be no color or image changes for this icon either but it should definitely have the tag on display to differentiate between the various guilds. Here is a quick sample of such an ICON.

http://i.imgur.com/QgzXr0N.jpg

If the tag being displayed above the icon could lead to making the map extra cluttered, I would recommend instead to display the guild when you hover over the icon. For .e.g currently it shows up as Commander Theongreyjoy but for the guild tag it would simply show up as [ZN]Theongreyjoy when another commander hovers over the icon.

PARTY COMMANDER TAG

Again people might ask why does a 5 man group need a commander tag. The primary benefit of this is not for the five map party but for the main commander on the map trying to delegate tasks among various parties. This especially applies very much so to home borderland maps where lot of tasks have to be done by various individuals and parties to keep a smoothly functioning map. Zerging is often detrimental in this map. Having party tags will improve the macro-managing skills of the main commander. He/She can keep track of any experienced havoc squads and experienced camp flipping parties simply by opening their map. Instead of the commander always having to ask “Whose that at Lake tower? Is that us or server Y?” he can simply pop his tag and see that a havoc group is behind enemy lines trying to ninja that tower.

The only restriction should be that the party commander option is only allowed if the party is full at five members. Otherwise there is the potential of many people running their tags aimlessly with just one or two other people in their party. This would also encourage people to party more and work together.

The party commander tag should have a little bit more variety since parties often consist of members from various guilds etc it wouldn’t make that much sense to treat them like guild commander tags. I would suggest to have a completely separate icon as compared to the guild and blue Dorito.

CONCLUSION

Providng the commanders and the guilds tools to delegate easier in the form of diverse commander tags should over time lead to less dependency on the single blue dorito and therefore less zerging and blobbing. I expect initially people to actually be inefficient if/when this feature is implemented like any video game community to go crazy trying out the various tags and actually not helping the main commander at all.

However, when the ‘newness’ of such a feature is done quite a few servers will start applying them properly; for better macro-organization, better inter guild coordination, better party delegation which should lead to less zerging/blobbing meta.

i would suggest it would be best if the commander tag can be bought + and some random hard quest to be completed before it can be bought. problem is a lot of people has money and just buys it, then on WVW they just freaking trolls around.

nothing is wrong using SB on zerg fights, i use it at zerg fights, cluster bomb and normaml trick shot with dagger storm should be good enough. include 2 signets too.

this sucks man. i lost to a necro man, makes me wanna cry. if stealths i win if not my only chance is HS spam hopes it crits. but wtf!

maybe if we up this thread we get some kind of response?

i am using neither, i am using, bloodlust, night, force and air all has the same effect. this is so frustrating my burst relies on CnD, got owned several times already ohh man!

any ideas? this started last patch.

this is really frustrating, i am missing a lot and losing fights because of this. it just started this patch. no matter what sigil i am using it is the same. not stealthing.

mods any words?

Travlane.5948:

CND is hitting in many of might fights WITHOUT revealed up/on and not giving stealth. there is also some lag since the last patch that many have also stated so i know its not me and everything on my computer is very high end.

how many others are having CND problems?

im getting this too since the last patch, sometimes cnd wont make me stealth and BS wont activate. what going on?