Guild Wars 2

sazberryftw.3809:

This is my thief’s WvW set. C:

she looks so pretty!

Fuzzion.2504:

Vash.9183:

Finally the Blackgate teamspeak is up after two hours of being down. We were without a community voice chat, heaven forbid.

BG doesnt need TS. You guys have 6 million players on JQ BL now :P

oh we do need TS, the commander needs to shout THIS IS SPARTAAAAA to rally the BG pugs while taking a tower.

i did try that CnD and1 BS hit the dolyak. but the dolyak CnD me instead and i died. strange, i think the dolyak did some exploit.

Geiir.7603:

Travlane.5948:

Geiir.7603:

By strongest, do you mean the one with most damage? If that’s the case, then this is the build that I’ve built for pure damage. I would never use this build though, unless you want to die if a warrior as much as sneezes near you. It doesn’t have any survivability, and all the utility skills are put into that one backstab…

Here’s the build

You have 60% extra damage from traits(Exposed Weakness, Dagger Training, First Strikes, Flanking Strikes), runes(Scholar), sigils(Force) and Signet of Power. You also have 20 stacks of might and Sigil of Bloodlust.

This all adds up to some crazy damage. Tested it in sPvP, and almost all are dead after the combo. What you do is you pop skills in this order:

• Basilisk Venom
• Signet of Malice
• Signet of Power
• Signet of Agility
• Signet of Shadows
• Cloak and Dagger
• Steal
• Backstab
• Heartseeker

That’s it. You use all utility skills, heal and elite for this, so if your target isn’t dead, you’ll probably die ;p

drop hidden killer for executioner.
drop sundering strikes for venomous strength
changing side strike is optional.
sigil of night if applicable.

(need 25 stacks of bloodlust)

and also use curry food and quality stones for more power.

correct order of skills : BV SOM SOA SOS AS CND STEAL BS HS

and thats max dmg.

The reason I didn’t choose executioner is because you only have 62% critical chance. Hidden killer ensures that the most important attack crits – every time, which is way more important IMO. Most people would be dead after the first hearseeker with normal critical damage, therefore I didn’t find the need for executioner. This build is all about landing that backstab and making sure it crits.

Completely forgot about venomous strength (really dumb of me), but completely agree on using it.

I would keep side strike and maybe do the shadow trap and swap sigil of agility with it. Would give me 25 stacks of might and fury. If you do that then you could go with executioner instead since your critical chance will be 82%. The good thing about this is that you can use steal after CnD to gain initiative again ^^ but then again, the initial burst would be lower..

i also did not take executioner for 2 reasons, 1. hidden killer grants 100% crit BS, which is what burst damage is, and what im looking for. 2. it only take effect if the victim is below 50%, naturally when you burst him either he dies right away or like few hp which HS takes care off.

i am currently testing the Superior Sigil of Night 10% damage at night + scholar runes set, i figured i placed it in ghastley dagger so it glows blue at night time so i know when night is over it stops glowing. — is the glow on ghastley dagger really 100% in line with night and day cycles? does this also take effect 10% damage inside dungeons during daytime?

any idea what is the combination of runes, sigil so that you can have the highest power/attack and crit damage in one? i dont mind losing precision too much.

naphack.9346:

did I ever say, I solo with my build?
It’s built around groups of 2-5 players, which can cover my kitten . And my dps comes from the control, the shared venoms offer to the group(and a ton of bleed stacks).
Of course, it will die to any serious stunlock/burst build, because venom builds can not carry that many stun breaks either way.

For solo play, you drop venom share for shadow’s rejuvenation simple as that.
And if your highest dps relies on hitting a single huge spike repeatedly, it only works against practice dummies anyway. Hf hitting your backstab on the fly(i.e. no setup) against an opponent who knows, how to dodge/stealth/block/blind.

DPS is damage per second, ive never tried condi build before but i have fought them countless times, most are just cleansed, and what matters more is they can still hit back or run away. now if you burst them with cnd, basilisk, skale, they will be standing there for more or less than 4 secs. which is enough time for you to unload everything. if they do survive well 80% of the time their backs are turned to you or are trying to run away get some distance to regen which gives you enough time again to use SB or HS spam.

OIIIIIO.7825:

*Note the above is using the un-nerfed Mug

Edit 7/16/2013 12:51 CST

To: Zeke , look at the damage and you will see Mug doing more damage than is possible now. I am not sure how long a while ago is , but to me it seems this is dealing

SS1 – over 3k damage
SS2 – 3,647 Damage

Do you get this much damage on Mug current form?
I would encourage you to double check the time-stamp on the screenshots
(If nothing else you can look at the creation date of the SS. If I am wrong I will edit this to avoid any confusion)

Edit 2 – 7/16/2013 1:03 CST

I completely disregarded the potential of players not wearing BiS gear/ being up-leveled

Thank you for your reply.

i think if you stick the letter in the jinzu build youll get more, but its really hard now as there is no way to escape. you can add night sigils for 10% at night damage pop everything and ambush the BS on that would be insane.

OIIIIIO.7825:

*Note the above is using the un-nerfed Mug

Edit 7/16/2013 12:51 CST

To: Zeke , look at the damage and you will see Mug doing more damage than is possible now. I am not sure how long a while ago is , but to me it seems this is dealing

SS1 – over 3k damage
SS2 – 3,647 Damage

Do you get this much damage on Mug current form?
I would encourage you to double check the time-stamp on the screenshots
(If nothing else you can look at the creation date of the SS. I am wrong I will edit this to avoid any confusion)

it depends on the class, i usually get 3k+ on medium to light armors, but heavy 2k+3k decent.

this is the screen shot of my GW2 default screen folder. take note this is dubai uae time. i just took those screens 20-30 mins before the wvw shut down a while ago.

last one was just a while ago, and one was last month. i think they nerfed mug long back.

this is a few screens some time ago and a while ago. and my stats

Kyrion.2749:

I you hold ’thieve’s guild’ key and press L2PL2PL2PLOLOLOL then release, you summon 2 Zhaitans instead of 2 thieves.

Best part is that you can stealth them with shadow refuge too

oh i did that but what came is was stone cold steve austin, i tried to SR him but he jump the dolyak and stone cold stunnered him now that was 1 hit, the dolyak bounced off. he then proceeded to stone cold stunner me and on my corpse he opened 2 fresh can of beer and poured it all over me, banged it and drank thenhe vanished. – PS wont do that advise of yours ever again.

good fight last night from SOR on EB, you guys are tough. but those IRON necros man they are swarming.

i havent seen TKG ever since i heard them move to BG, not on any BL nor EB.

you use SB and range skills for champs and mobs, you wanna bust a melee move on a boss/champ with that build make sur ehe is facing back, if not he sneezes and next thing you know your being res’d or dead LOL.

if its 1 on 1 in warriors/guardians/rangers/engi who has tons of HP, i say if its a head on start with SB after 2 or 5 good hits, burst them D/D. if its multiple enemies vs you alone, well you need to back off.

DanH.5879:

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176:

but things is it is really glass, HP is only 11.8-12.2k. you gotta time your attacks.

but you have omg, wtf criticals !
ah yes, did i mention that stealth makes you invincible in wvw ?!?

why thank you.

i only have 2 stealth skills CnD and the 6 skill( heal ), i run D/D and SB. CnD crits are insane to medium and light armors, heavy armors are decent too.

in wvw it applies to what you want. if you gonna zerg, i stay at the back end of the zerg not the tail but near to it, i dont run with the commander side by side, youd die in 5 secs of head on clash.

when roaming it depends if its a 2v1, i split, if it is 1v1 to all class except thief. i use SB and dodge attacks or side step, once their buff or that invincible thing wears of after 2-3 hits of SB i switch to DD and burst him with basilisk,signet,poison devourer(imobilize), CnD+Steal. if he is still immbolized i do CnD and BS OR spam 1 OR HS depends on the circumstances. if he survives that i pop 6 for stealth and go for another BS if not i walk away and re engaged after cooldowns.

this build requires absolute timing, if you fail on basilisk and steal, stealth and back off. for that reason if it is head on like i said use SB. if he is running or doesnt notice you well you know what to do.

for small engagements like 5v5 or 3v5 i just stay at the back choose the enemy i will burst. then go. usually i go for thieves and mesmers, engi first.

i encounter lots of good players, i die at times when i make a mistake, if all goes well i win.

if you want a high BS build just use the jinzu guide. just tweak it to your style, full stacks of Bloodlust and nourishment, food, my power is 3070 and attack is 4100, crit damage is 122%, crit chance is 57% NOT including the might when you pop venom and signets, with all glass cannon build i can crit medium armor level 80s to 17k-18BS(highest ive seen, normally its 14-16k). heavy armors up to 11k-12k. – if CnD hits crit its gameover, but things is it is really glass, HP is only 11.8-12.2k. you gotta time your attacks.

Titan.3472:

Hello I am back from my week at sea. I just take a break now after contributing in catching back 10k points during past 12hours.
I met some lame thieves from both JQ and BG ^^ I love killing thieves.
Much love from [LORD].
^^

why is there so much hate on thieves these days. i mean i dont see thieves here saying i love killing dolyaks or killing guardians, but if we kill people BOOM there is like a dozen thread in forums saying thieves are OP. oh well…

Phantom.8130:

Stealth mode
– 5 second cast time.
– moving during casting cancels the casting.
– no limit on stealth time BUT
– thief must remain stationary while in stealth mode
– moving while fully in stealth mode grants 10 second revealed debuff
– when in stealth mode, emotes (such as /sit, /kneel, and sleep) still function. however they do not broadcast in any chat channel whatsoever.

Blinding Powder
– can be used in combat, on a 90 second cooldown
– and if the thief is moving when it expires they get the 10 second revelead debuff.

Shadow Refuge
– grants stealth as it does currently, with the same movement limitations as blinding powder
– changed to an elite skill

i stopped reading after this part. im not trying to troll or know it all here, but you have more hours than me. but
1. aoe hits us stealth or no stealth.
2. 10 sec de buff is way to long for a class with paper def and hp. stealth is our make up for what we lack in hp and def.
3. our class is mobile class, so standing there for 5 secs doing nothing is just a way to say ok kill me now.
4. thief already received a lot of nerfs, and only good at small engagements and very little use on dungeons or any other boss fight, zerg fights i say thief is the least useful as we can only do cluster bomb, people always complain about being op but most are those who are noobs and do not know how to play their class.

if you read the forums most guys say they know how to deal with thieves but hey you never know when you meet your match.

i say thief is OK as it is now, only thing i ask is that they return the steal/mug crit and increase the range as base.

good fight last night from SOR KISS and company and JQ, specially in that SM fight that lasted several zerg waves. SOR is relentless.

respect to all.

SlothBear.9846:

SykkoB.9465:

20v20v20 golem war

This is some next level GvG talk right here.

oh would have my asuran ears cut off just to see that. imagine the Omega’s Missile flying everywhere. gonna be epic.

eagle runes = 90 Precision+Crit chance+ crit damage.
Scholar runes = 90 Power + Crit damage+10% damage is HP is above 90%.
Divinity runes = 60 of every stat + balanced build with around 12% crit damage.

if you’d ask me, over all i would say go for ruby orbs, power+precision+crit damage.

is this armor out already? also the zenith?

hi guys, just wanted to know what is your highest backstab damage ever done in wvw to a player? if you can post a screenie it would be awesome…

solarisnox.8521:

I actually want to thank you guys, Craig and Jakare…I still feel that stealth is an insanely overpowered ability…and that larcenous strike is even more insanely overpowered…BUT…I am taking your posts to heart, and will start leveling my thief, and keeping these points in mind the next time I fight one in wvw…assuming I catch one alone…they seem to run in packs now, and then again there is always the Thieves Guild elite ability…actually, how would you suggest one counter that?
I’ve beaten a few thieves in wvw, (less than 1% of the total I’ve fought against), and if they don’t have thieves guild I can sometimes win, assuming they don’t kill me outright with basilisk venom…but if they do have thieves guild, it’s pretty much game over.

so, while I greatly appreciate your posts on how to counter thieves, how would you suggest countering these two aspects? basilisk venom and theives guild?

what build are you running? a good thief tries to observe what the enemy is, from thief build and movement and adjust what skill to use, it will all boil down to timing, i use basilisk most of the time.

that first vid is not lag, lag wont let you do that. 1. if your lagging your character would just be like standing and walking straight line. he seems to be well focused and doesnt even turns his back on you. even side stepping movements.

hi welcome to GW2 forums, to start with thieves are not OP, its just knowing how to use your toon properly. my suggestion is to get to level 80 first then after worry about build. it wont make any difference since your still below 40, as you can reset your traits as many times as you like.

yesterday evening, i got into a 1 on 1 with an SOR guardian, im not sure but it is my first time to encounter such thing. i am a thief glass cannon by the way, he was just running away from me, back stab, short bow, heart seeker, cnd, everything even the kitchen sink for like 2-3 mins and all was just miss, not even buffs, then later he went invi but there is still a lock on him and the circle was moving then he laughed and vanished. wasnt able to get screenshot because i was totally lost.