Even if blood magic is amazing, Condition builds for necro will be close to the bottom of the barrel in terms of other classes condition builds.
I don’t know. I originally thought so as well, but looking at it closer I think Necro is going to be very strong.
The way Signet of suffering interacts with other traits..and well direct signets is going to make necro the only class that can reliably get around the new resistance buff.
Look at just how it interacts with the blood magic trait blood bond. When you hit four bleeds you will turn two buffs on the target to conditions, gain three stacks of might for 15 seconds, and put a 5 stack active life siphon on the target. That alone will do 1200 damage and heal you for 2k as long as you can eat all 5 stacks. Best thing yet is it only has a 15 or 20 second cooldown.
Basically you won’t be fighting through boons like other classes do, you will have incredible duration on your bleeds, and be very defensive.
I think necro is going to be good.
My only concern is the concern we have all had, removal. But with how we can constantly convert boons now, we will just have to see. Signet of locust being an AOE boon conversion is going to rock.
Nice build. I’ve been looking at something very similar:
http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AgQE_AKkA5Q~
Basically weakening shroud over lingering curse and shrouded removal over flesh of the master. This is just for a more survival based build vs. damage. Since that 100% base on lingering curse would make your bleeds from auto 12 seconds though, I’ll probably end up using it. That is a ton of extra damage. Definitely in PvE I’ll use it often.
If it works like I want it too I’ll be able to keep up permanent weakness and have solid up time on protection and fury as well. I’ll see though. I like this line of thinking.
Just something to test out I suppose, no doubt as you stated signets of suffering is really strong as well. All that free might and boon conversion is hard to pass up.
BTW, it was mentioned in the ready up that the lesser signet of vampirism from the blood bond trait had a shorter cooldown. I believe he said either 15 or 20 seconds. If that benefits from signet of suffering, I really am not sure I can get away from it. Just extremely powerful.
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It isn’t that I won’t purchase it, but my friends I almost persuaded to come try the game again will not be purchasing it now.
Their response to me telling the cost, “lol”
Well shoot. No way I can convince any of my friends to come back to the game at that price point.
I like the game, so now I am in a pickle on what to do. This sucks.
Interesting, you are correct sir. And it appears to be a significant nerf.
The mats price is going to skyrocket from its current position of “ridiculous” into the level of “mickey mouse magic money price”.
Its just going to be crazy.
Yup. I’m going to start unloading mats tonight and farm for more.
The solution is simple, make ascended gear have the same drop rate as exotics from the same sources exotics drop from currently.
Solves the WvW issue, the new player barrier, and you will be able to more easily mix in stats to your current ascended gear you lost from trait lines. Plus, if you hate crafting, your issues are solved as well!
Win, win, and a ………………….WIN!
I think it a great thing. Ascended takes alot of effort to make so the payoff should be reflected in that. It is not gamebreaking in the least and gives players something more to aim for.
If they normalize stats in WvWvW it would go a long way in making it less relevant. Or simply reduce the grind to obtain it severely.
It has a big impact on build diversity and playing alts.
Just make it as easy to get as exotic is currently and everyone wins!
Well, except the people who already have it, they will complain.
I’m not optimistic about it being a typo, I’m fairly certain it is indeed 33%.
They clearly stated these changes were very close to what we would be getting, barring a few minor changes.
So they are apparently here to stay! Enjoy!
i got another question also.what is the best class for condition dmg?is warrior a good class to stack bleeding really fast or a class like necro is far more superior?warrior also have burning with longbow and still do some dmg outside of condition but does it stack 25+ bleeding quickly?
Just casually looking at condi damage for each class, it appears mesmer will probably be the best, but I’m not exactly an expert on all classes.
I have a suggestion to fix it, make a new buff called resistance that negates the damage of conditions!
Problem solved!
I’ve not played in a while, did they up the condition duration multiplier? I notice scepter has 100% on its own.
They say next content update.
I would be very surprised if it comes before the WTS final(in August) since it will completely alter the current balance and meta.
This means it is still quite faraway.
I would hope they don’t delay content for something most of the player base isn’t going to participate in.
Who knows though, just call me surprised if they do.
I asked magic eight ball twice to make sure. The answers it gave were; “Yes” and “As I see it, yes.”
I going to say it will be released on Thursday. I personally guarantee it.
When I saw mention of new names, I jumped out of my chair and screamed in happiness! I then proceeded to look for a subscribe button because I felt the need to throw money at this game!
I’ve played most MMOs and this is the most tame community. Wow, Aoc, and Archeage have been the worst. Archage was mainly due to the goons though.
The game has zero chance of becoming an esport. Too many titles out that are better in that format.
It reminds me of the WNBA. When people were asked to choose between their local WNBA team winning the championship or receiving $5, like 90% of people picked $5 dollars.
What I learned from gw2 is: how people don’t appreciate good things and hold onto negativity blindly.
For example everyone forgets how:
- you need 0 grind to play pvp in gw2
- you can play any class at any moment in gw2 in pvp
- you don’t need stupid healers anymore and you’re free to choose your class as you like
Yea game is not perfect, but out of all mmos I played, its by far best. There is nothing even close to gw2 in my opinion.
Hold onto negativity blindly? I’m fairly certain everyone here has played the game and come to the conclusions based on that.
If you enjoy those features, great. I have to admit I thought it was a good thing coming into the game and some of those features are. The pvp though is repetitive and I miss direct healers.
If beta sucks.
Game sucks.
Beta didn’t exactly suck though. Though it was clear pvp would be repetitive and get boring fairly quickly.
The game that really tricked me was Aion. The beta was great.
Anyone tried Forge?
I’ve been playing regularly.
It is a good pvp game, but the player base is incredibly small. This means people are playing on teams of those they know and when anyone new comes in, they leave in frustration by getting stomped.
Anyone ever listen to their live interviews? They don’t drastically change anything, its step by step. Otherwise it just skews things out of wack and playing wack a mole never fixed the playing table.
I think we have seen how this philosophy has worked out for them. Players left en masse.
If that is all they have planned for the near future, game is done in regards to spvp being mainstream.
Sure, it doesn’t have a monthly fee and people can come back at anytime, but they won’t. At least not to be competitive in spvp.
No, repetitive conquest pvp is ruining it.
Seriously, it got boring at around rank 10. At rank 20 it was mind numbing boring. Past that it just isn’t something you want to do anymore.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Apparently warriors haven’t been vocal enough.
Ele is the only class I haven’t played, what do they have that makes them faster than a warrior?
I can see perma swiftness and ride the lightning, but warrior has basically both of those and more. What am I missing?
Lightning flash, mist form, burning speed.
And 2 Aura’s to cc the opponent when they attack you.
That somewhat closes the gap, but the warrior still has more. Is there anything else?
Nope. We’re still waiting, last I checked.
Oh, ok. I figured it would be out by now, hasn’t it been like over 2 weeks now?
Ele is the fastest if only specced a little bit for it.
Second is Warrior.
Thief only has the initial burst but is still spending the same resources they need to attack to keep up with other classes.A-net from the beginning advertised thief was going to be the most mobile class. False advertising so far if you ask me.
Thief followed by elementalist.
25% base speed, 33% speed after dodging (3x), when I steal I gain 33% speed. Then to cover some ground faster than 33% run speed: heartseaker spam outjumps any permanent swiftness. Then you still have the shadowstep and other ports.
No one is outrunning my thief.Wrong… Wrong…Wrong…
25% base speed from signet DOES NOT, DOES NOT stack with swiftness.
Dodge roll swiftness is lol what 3 seconds.
Ele is the only class I haven’t played, what do they have that makes them faster than a warrior?
I can see perma swiftness and ride the lightning, but warrior has basically both of those and more. What am I missing?
Has it been published and if so can anyone point me in the right direction, I can ’t find it anywhere.
As a JQ player, I don’t really care about night capping. It happens, so what? I enjoy the primetime play and that is all that matters.
I also appreciate the people that have started organizing all of us. It makes it more fun to an extent. That extent being zerg vs. zerg where my framerate goes down like a kardashian at a naacp convention.
my spec is not common and it makes me able to move faster than most cookie cutter spec theifs and same goes for my utility lineup that compliments it
It almost seems fictional.
thief in short to the longest distance by a mile lol tho no thiefs seem to be able to keep up with me so maby just not many out there that can fuly utilize their traits/utility
You seem really confident, perhaps you can shine some light on why you are faster than other thieves?
I’ve been trying to get my thief up to speed with my warrior, I’ve just not been able to do it.
Perhaps shadowstep is bugged and only giving half the range listed, but even then I don’t think I could keep up.
What exactly are you doing that makes your thief faster than a warrior with the rotation I listed above?
P.S. I’m not looking at a chasing roll, I’m talking about getting in between points.
My full speed run rotation is as follows.
Skills: Signet of shadows of course, Shadow step, and Infiltrator’s signet. (you can spec certain traits to reduce recharge time and increase initiative regen.
Dodge (with swiftness trait)
Sword pistol(2) click something far down range and activate
Steal Click something far down range, activate
Shadow step (same)
Dodge roll
Weapon swap
Infiltrator arrow x2
weapon swap
dodge roll
(10 seconds have gone by)
Sword Pistol (2)
Infiltrator’s signet (targeted at something down range)
weapon swap
Dodge roll
Infiltrator arrow x2 (depending on initiative recharge)
weapon swap
(20 seconds have gone by)
Sword Pistol (2)
Steal (Target down range) (this is assuming you have points in trickery)You can also use Withdraw by turning around and using it (I don’t get this fancy but it would increase your speed)
By now you should see the rotation, use cds to make up for lack of initiative. This is by far faster than any other class.
Note: You don’t want to hit anything with the teleport skills cause it will put you in combat. Target something just on the edge of view. Also note you can go up/over a lot of terrain with the tps and arrow. The best example of this is “wall running”. You can get high up along a wall with a lot of impassible running terrain, and then use your tps and infiltrator’s arrow to run along it. People have a real hard time chasing.
You should also see the instant gap closer i’m talking about. Sword (2), Shadow step, Infiltrator’s signet, and then steal. You can also toss the experimental teleportation gun in there for an extra 1500. But all classes can use that so I don’t really count it.
Yeah, that is pretty much what I do on my thief. I’ve just found it not as good and reliable as on my warrior.
First, steal doesn’t port me at all unless I’m in range of my target. Perhaps I’m missing something here.
Second, sword 2 has an effective 15 second cooldown and requires me to have something targetted in my line of travel.
Third, having a target available to target down range isn’t always possible. Non aggressive mobs require a click to target for me.
If swiftness stacked with other speed increases, I’d be all over the thief, but I just find it unreliable and not as fast overall as the warrior. Chasing is another story, because it is also easy to get out as a thief.
Anyway, I’m gonna get back into WvW on my thief and try to improve mobility.
Thieves have the most mobility, period.
There are major areas people are discussing, marathon chases, short distance chase, and close range combat.
Thieves are the best at all of these. If you think otherwise, the thief you are comparing to, is really bad.Short duration chases. Did you know that! Thieves can instant teleport to max targetable range within about 1-2 second. And then return to the original spot anytime within 10 seconds. (somewhere round 4400 range if i did the math on the 4 skills right, and i’m not talking about infiltrator arrow)
Running the Marathon. This is the only area where another class may have a chance, but infiltrator arrow wins by a long shot (literally). If the thief is using their CDs properly no other classes can match their travel speed.
Close range combat. Haha, yea well this: 4 instant teleports, 3 dodge rolls, 25% base movement, infiltrator arrow, and this is leaving out invis because that is more survivability than mobility.
Notes: Only thieves can chase thieves. If you run from a thief you are going to have a bad time. Heartseeker spam, really? If you think heartseeker is good for mobility, that is the problem. You are comparing noob thieves to good other classes. It would be like comparing a 3 year old swimming to Micheal Phelps.
Race me any time, you will not have a good time.
Edit: If you caught a thief, grats. You got killed! Only time you catch a thief is when they want to get caught.
I’ve been trying to get my thief up to speed with my warrior, I’ve just not been able to do it.
Perhaps shadowstep is bugged and only giving half the range listed, but even then I don’t think I could keep up.
What exactly are you doing that makes your thief faster than a warrior with the rotation I listed above?
P.S. I’m not looking at a chasing roll, I’m talking about getting in between points.
Warrior can have 100% swiftness uptime and can switch between GS and Sword for leaps. I’m not sure how it compares to thieves, but I get to places before anyone else.
Judging by test races, thief wins slightly in the beginning, but we pull ahead over time.
Warriors have the best sustained mobility with Sword/Horn.
Thief comes in only slightly slower.
Elementalist is probably the next, but they aren’t terribly safe to scout with.
I’ve not raced any thiefs, but I run a full speed build. I use 6/6 rune of speed, greatsword, and sword/horn.
I’ve noticed even in the initial burst, I can not be caught. You do sword leap, bulls rush, dodge, dodge, sword leap, weapon switch, GS rush, whirlwind, dodge, weapon switch, and sword leap.
I cover a huge amount of distance in that time. I don’t have stealth though, which makes a thief slippery, but then again, I use the break immobilize trait.
Warrior can have 100% swiftness uptime and can switch between GS and Sword for leaps. I’m not sure how it compares to thieves, but I get to places before anyone else.
I hate it though when warriors put them down right in the middle of a huge group of mobs during an event causing it to interfere with my loot pickup.
I often pick them up and set them off to the side.
Usually you do the forum announcement before you going changing login procedures. Just saying….
So anyway, when can I log in?
Had the same discussion in mumble tonight. Half the people didn’t even want to log in to the game. The other half just didn’t have any thing else to do.
Sad to say, but this game has one foot in the grave. Sure it is free to play, but most people won’t bother taking it serious if they do come back. Not serious enough to put money into the cash shop.
At this point, they are going to have to say some pretty incredible things to keep interest alive. Hopefully that is why it is taking so long.
Then leave. This game obviously isn’t for you. You want a game that revolves around you. Too bad.
I remember how common this response was in SWTOR at about this time in the games release.
Alot of people did just that.
The time it is taking is an eternity during a release with other major titles coming out very soon.
I’ve already seen a good number of people leaving the game. The good thing though is it doesn’t have a subscription base. I’m sure they can’t be excited about lost cash shop income though.
I wanted this games pvp to be great, it just isn’t and I don’t see it getting there any time soon.
The desire to play is all but gone.
You keep saying mesmers are a low survivability class, that is just plain out false.
@untouch
Mesmers go to stealth ability is decoy, which you somehow managed to not mention
I’m sure you realize GW2 isn’t every other mmorpg. They have done away with alot of the things other MMOs have done.
Armor and hp, or the lack of it, isn’t compensated with high damage. It is compensated with other built in defenses.
Those are some bad changes, it all started when you said stealth was a fluff mechanic.