You all violated rule No. 1 and rule No. 2.
The punishement will be delivered by Big Mama, the ultimative Necromancerzerg with gazillions of minions to hunt you all down.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
The ‘casuals’ argument is weak though. Not all casuals stay casual, and not all casuals work in isolation. Map chat is full of ‘casuals’ reporting enemy guild movements, and guilds responding. Anet are smart enough to ease the impact on casual players.
And not all casuals like working in groups of <5. In fact, the fact that most choose to run with the zerg should show you how much they appreciate that there is a zerg there to pick them up when they make mistakes. You seem to be under the impression that the 40+ people a squad of elite is supposed to wipe isn’t actually made of people but rather dumb bots.
You couldn’t be more wrong.
Also, there are MANY suggestions on how to handle AoE damage without a cap. Damage that degrades from the epicentre to the edges of the area is highly effective in other, older, games. The point is GW2 went live. WubWub was played. AoE damage was strong. Solution? Cap it. The laziest, easiest of all solutions. AoE damage IS being nerfed. Your 40k won’t be 40k.
Yet the idea of removing boon cap is rejected altogether?
Why not throw some ideas for that around as well? Decreased duration of boons from the epicentre to the edges. But of course, removing aoe boon cap would obviously help zergs so no it can never happen. Never help groups > 5 even if indirectly
As the game stands there is no reliable counter to a group of >5, no matter how many players you have… so the lowest base gameplay becomes the standard for the majority, even for the elitists.
1). I have no problem with the Zerg itself. Removing caps benefits the zerg too. Smaller groups should have counters to bigger groups. 8 to 1 odds is still decent odds if you have a say in the process. The odds change as the fight progresses. It should not be easy, but it should be knowable and achievable.
2). I’m in favour of removing the boon cap too. You’d have known that if you bothered to actually READ what people are writing as opposed to taking your crusader stance for the casual man. You big ole hero you.
3). Keep quoting Dunning-Kruger. The irony of your incessant spamming and elitist attitude, coupled with the “Come at me with some GvG y’all!” is so very, very funny.
I’m in favour of removing AoE caps. Both damaging and boons. I’m in favour of lowering AoE damage. I’m in favour of changes to this game that moves it away from zerg-optimal (casual or hardcore, organised or unorganised).
Every single post you’ve made can be boiled down to;
* Bigger numbers should always win just because they’re bigger.
* A video showing a small group killing quite a few players. Not a zerg, not a ball, a stream of players. That is not representative of the issues being discussed here.
* A link to a theory on self-perception of skill.
Here’s the counter; accept the fact that others feel differently.
Whats the point of the screenshot?
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
It tooks us (5 people) 6 months to complete 1 legendary. I started playing in the betas, but didn’t start working on the legendary until October, and people have been helping me since then, with money, materials and some farming sessions.
Wow, thinking that other ppl finished 4 legendaries all on their own in that time, you either slacked pretty hard or farming for money means vendoring everything for you guys.
Srsly, why so long?
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
I will be on RS borderlands with probably a few guildies from approx 3GMT looking for some fun 1vs1’s and maybe some small groupfights. whisper me around that time if you want some fun fights.
Guys!
Do this when working ppl can join too :-(.
I’m working aswel, 3pm gmt is 4pm here, quitting work early today
I should be online throughout the evening, so just whisper me.
I come home 8pm Berlin time. I will try to join if you are still fightclubbing.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
@Teamkiller.4315 That’s a lot of words to reiterate your point; yes, I get it, you think that 40 people should win be default because they’re 40 people. No tactics, no skill, no thought. Specs don’t matter, builds don’t matter, weapon choices don’t matter, the environment doesn’t matter. Ball up, spam that #1 and loot…
… for the good of the game?
Hah.
Yes, and he is right. At the point eight ppl cannot kill one skilled (nonthief)player this game will start losing their casual players.
Why? Because ppl already accused me and my team for cheating at some points and it was just af 5vs15.
In everty MMO, there is a casual base and ambitious playerbase.
Almost everyone in my guild has played all characters in tpvp just to see what they are able too, what the builds are, what the weaknes is, etc. A casual player wont do this and will see cheats everywhere. Now figure the situation when we(usually 2 mes, 2 guard, 1 warrior/ele (stun)) start melting zergs of 50 just because we know how to deliver 40k damage in 3 seconds? To cc-ed ppl that maybe dont use any stunbreaking skills or dps avoiding skills like f4 shatter because the dont usually need it in a blob.
Now guess who will build zerghunting saetups and who will stop playing.
And also guess what part of the game wont get any love anymore because casuals just will get kitten and it will lose the attention of those casuals.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
Naturally 30 guys should have a massive advantage over 5 guys, even if the 5 guys are more skilled. advantage in firepower, effective health, area control, and boon sharing. Skill only overcomes so much. You’ve been watching too many hollywood movies if you believe that sort of thing happens regularly.
Yes, it is possible to wipe 30 guys with 4-5, but most of you aren’t good enough for that kind of thing. You overestimate your skill. Even for those good players, it’s very situational. Here, read up on the Dunning Kruger effect. It’s really interesting.
Maybe learn instead of complaining. And for the record, roaming small scale battles are possible in wvw. I’ve had plenty of good ones uninterrupted by zergs. But if we’re talking WORLD vs WORLD then the emphasis is on LARGE scale, as in two armies clashing with each other, not seven or eight 5v5’s going on at the same time.
Five organized ppl in FotM Setup facerolling scared pugs and never more than 10 at a time. I dont get how this is special.
I guess any rutinee fractal team could do the same.
Stopped countig the times the pugs ate a full 100b after min 1:05.
Some pugs even seem to die fully from retaliation.
Exactly. Everyone cries “Nerf zergs!” when you can see that disorganized pugs still get owned by tactical and skilled groups. It’s possible to do it in the current state of the game, I’m not entirely sure why in the world you would want to nerf it further for elitists to farm newcomers to wvw making a more hostil…forget it.
Somehow I do agree, but on the other hand I just dont.
5 cap of any kind is just odd. You will be running into zergs accidentally all the time and I see no reason why you should not be able to cc your way out if you are good enough. I dont mean the eles and warriors leaping away meanwhile rangers and necros die, I mean cc your way out as a team. Kiting is nearly impossible as ppl in the zerg just need to hit 1,2,3,4,5 and eventually they will hit you with an immobilize which without a warrior is not counterable.
If they want, keep the cap, but take away rally from kill and in-combat speed.
What kills my team when overrun is mostly some random pugthief adding cause he saw that on youtube and giving 10 downed players a free rally. Or because someone in the pugzerg will always be able to keep you snared in combat.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
Naturally 30 guys should have a massive advantage over 5 guys, even if the 5 guys are more skilled. advantage in firepower, effective health, area control, and boon sharing. Skill only overcomes so much. You’ve been watching too many hollywood movies if you believe that sort of thing happens regularly.
Yes, it is possible to wipe 30 guys with 4-5, but most of you aren’t good enough for that kind of thing. You overestimate your skill. Even for those good players, it’s very situational. Here, read up on the Dunning Kruger effect. It’s really interesting.
Maybe learn instead of complaining. And for the record, roaming small scale battles are possible in wvw. I’ve had plenty of good ones uninterrupted by zergs. But if we’re talking WORLD vs WORLD then the emphasis is on LARGE scale, as in two armies clashing with each other, not seven or eight 5v5’s going on at the same time.
Five organized ppl in FotM Setup facerolling scared pugs and never more than 10 at a time. I dont get how this is special.
I guess any rutinee fractal team could do the same.
Stopped countig the times the pugs ate a full 100b after min 1:05.
Some pugs even seem to die fully from retaliation.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
I will be on RS borderlands with probably a few guildies from approx 3GMT looking for some fun 1vs1’s and maybe some small groupfights. whisper me around that time if you want some fun fights.
Guys!
Do this when working ppl can join too :-(.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
I killed you all in PvP.
Sorry, but I dont have any screenshots, as my cat ate them along with my nephews homework.
Hope you enjoyed socking my PvPness.
AG, please get new strength out there. Spent most time of the WE in tPvP, as there wasnt anything to smallscale against.
BB does not have any smallscale to offer anyway. But you used to have good nVSn roamers.
Cheers to the UNTY Ranger who razored my kitten on the bridge near your spawntower on BB GL. It was my first day on Ele sinde 3 months and the first 20 minutes on S/D ever. I already got told, that Ranger would be tough for S/D Ele, but you really got me out of guard :-D. Props!
Want rematch!
Hugs ‘n’ kisses <3.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
Always go for the precursor first. I have done both ways of getting a legendary and having the pre as first part is way more relaxing than having it in your head all the time.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
Aside from that, foo on [REQ], we just wanted to defend a keep and they had to stroll in, zerg our 3 delayers with liek 150 peoplez and then they came out and there was like 30 of them, but they each had one more guy in their backpack so there was more like 50 of them and they completely zerged me, drank my blood and /danced on the corpse of my poor poor support ele. Bad conduct and totaly not fair and stuff!
(note: you´ll get correct values from forum posts when you divide them by 10.)
I bet our two eles zerged very hard.
You did zerg pretty hard with the 30+ RS players you used to take a tower defended by two people in BB BL.
Good thing RS left the borderland soon after, it was fun 3-manning two keeps until they came back. Almost wiped on keep lord & quaqqan lightning.
Cool story bro. Please tell me more zerglingtales.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
Aside from that, foo on [REQ], we just wanted to defend a keep and they had to stroll in, zerg our 3 delayers with liek 150 peoplez and then they came out and there was like 30 of them, but they each had one more guy in their backpack so there was more like 50 of them and they completely zerged me, drank my blood and /danced on the corpse of my poor poor support ele. Bad conduct and totaly not fair and stuff!
(note: you´ll get correct values from forum posts when you divide them by 10.)
I bet our two eles zerged very hard.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
Awww poor [req] moaning about zerging… well guess what. You getting killed by 3-5 times your number is no different from you all charging in to run over a solo player as you so happily do.
so in short, you are either hypocrites or just whiners. I let you choose which you prefer to be
Yeah buddy, you totally got the point of the complaint.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
I would neither call it glassy nor bunker. We try go run pretty balanced with burst coming from the mesmers.
The thieves dont run in our groupsetups. You might have met them when roaming solo or roflsquad. As soon as we are 4 ppl we usually form a decent group and in our eyes, thieves dont provide anything useful to a group that another character could not do better.
So our thieves would log to female human Guardian (Me) or Mesmer (Lonny).
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
I remember the resetnight a few weeks ago when we were ganking as three people a hole in the Wall of the AG middlekeep.
And the last time I saw you, you were coming to annoy and running back into your spawntower. We were 5 btw.
I you dont want to get added by an entire party, stop charging into it when you haver your Norn-elite up repeatedly. It grants you kind of faceaggro when we meet you in open field.
Btw: we dont do thieves in our parties, besides the night at your spawntower, that was me. Also our eles are not gc :-).
The first ones to go down usually arent our gc mesmers and as you do, we usually get away of large zergs. But as culling gets worse every day, german players are experiencing lags bigtime due to internetproviders having a problem with anet-servers.
Currently we dont roam much, but the next time we meet I will wave with Twilight and you can have your 1v1. Though in my eyes, Ranger geared and traited for it, is the strongest 1vs1 class if you know the buttons :->
Ranger is not my main and not built for pvp purposes, it’s for scouting and is meant to stay alive in the tower and also give away the location of your server’s zerg. If I get killed by rushing 5 people and there’s nobody in the tower or following your zerg I fail at my purpose. I still won’t turn down a 1v1 of course, objectives be kitten if I can get a duel.
Since it’s objective-based play, I don’t complain if you focus down my ranger, I’m supposed to be able to escape anyway unless I get skill-lagged.
I agree the lag has been bad recently, yesterday with my warrior I went the whole day without being able to use my utility skills. Was a lot of fun trying to figure out how to kill people without using skills.
I feel you.
As I was a soloer 99 of my 100 reknownranks in Warhammer and am most of the time in GW2, I respect that.
Usually I just think of ppl I meet solo that they are zerglings on their way to the zerg :-).
But we always do spare ppl we know they are duelists and often stop for some 1v1 without F1-stomp. So you can get your 1v1s next time we meet :-).
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
I remember the resetnight a few weeks ago when we were ganking as three people at hole in the Wall of the AG middlekeep. You did not stop running into us (2 Mesmer and me on thief)
And the last time I saw you, you were coming to annoy and running back into your spawntower as leopard repeatedly. So NPC-CC was what saved you ;-). We were 5 btw.
I you dont want to get added by an entire party, stop charging into it when you haver your Norn-elite up repeatedly. It grants you kind of faceaggro when we meet you in open field.
Btw: we dont do thieves in our parties, besides the night at your spawntower, that was me. Also our eles are not gc :-).
The first ones to go down usually arent our gc mesmers and as you do, we usually get away of large zergs. But as culling gets worse every day, german players are experiencing lags bigtime due to internetproviders having a problem with anet-servers.
Currently we dont roam much, but the next time we meet I will wave with Twilight and you can have your 1v1. Though in my eyes, Ranger geared and traited for it, is the strongest 1vs1 class if you know the buttons :->
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
REQ, let’s not act as if you play any different when you outnumber your enemy even if it’s on a smaller scale. I’m mainly a solo roamer, and I get cc’d and focused down by the 6-7 of you. If you get cc’d and focused down by 15+, it’s the same thing.
When I run in a party, we have an agreement that if we meet a single enemy, only one of us will attack (or two if it’s 2v2). That’s the best way to learn how to play this game, instead of leeching off others work and never truly knowing how good your individual ability is.
Most of us have tens of thousands of kills already so we need not be so kill hungry as to chase after a single guy unless it’s objective-based… I don’t deny your skill, just saying that the way you operate is no different from a large zerg when meeting outnumbered groups, so there is not much room to complain.
I dont even remember the last time we were 6-7 ppl. But I get your point there.
Give race, class and guild and send 50g every week.
You will be spared.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
Well often you kill 35 ppl just walking in fluidly bit by bit.
It is also known, that when u fight on a team you often are not aware of the other two 5 man groups that joined the fight on different edges of the zerg. Culling FTW :-).
Also there is nothing easier then killing big numbers that are surrounded by your friendly guards or even a buffed camplord :-).
Sorry, if it seems like an attitude to you, but you try to give me basic information on a matter that is not solved by positional awareness.
We have wiped all kinds of zergs too, so no big issue on that, even easier when facin EB randoms.
Honestly i never see WvW roaming far away from their zerg.
About hunting us down. Feel free to do so. I wont bother. dont forget to emote afterwards.
If you want to 5vs5 though, feel free to contact me ingame and I will see if I can arrange something. Atm our ppl are scattered anywhere but in GW2 due to the current Wv3 situation.
If now we are bragging here, I once managed to kill 3 WvW ppl on my guardian and survive 5 of them for quite an mount of time, so your ppl even invited me to a party to give me props ;-).
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
Talking about getting added while already in a fight, so probably 2 dodge rolls are not available. Also root is the LAST condition that gets removed by conditionremoval., being bleed the first.
When 20+ ppl add you being on out of combat speed, you just will not be able to avoid all the roots. Once rooted you will get cc’ed the crap out of your kitten Tell me about the guardian build with 30 stunbreaks. I did not manage to find it yet.
And please stop trying to teach me about fighting zergs or whatsoever, giving tipps about weaponselection. I dont need it. Dont forget about culling! Once you have loaded 10 opponents, the arriving zerg wont be even remotely rendered befor you die.
Just admit your fail and stop discussing about it.
BTW: root is the common word for any immobilize. I does not only refer to binding roots from Avatar of Melandru or Ranger.
At Asterilla: you dont make any sense. I dont know if its the langage but your arguments seem to contradict themselves.
If you want to GvG, we can meet this weekend. We bring 5-8 and expect you to bring less than 10.
5vs5 would be preferred though.
Si me lo quieres contar en castellano, no te cortes. A lo mejor asi te entiendo mejor.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
There is no way to get immune to roots (immobilize).
A proper Zerg stacks up to 20 seconds of root on you, once you got rooted.
And all that just by clicking 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
As you keep staying snared by being infight, in the blob there will always be people with everything without cooldown and being out of combat, therefor faster than you and keeping you in combat for the next blobbers who get out of combat. So the gap keeps closing.
Please tell me more about my argument being invalid.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
Putting electronic testicles and trolo olol apart I want to say is that I aknowledge what coordinated 15-25 teams do for their servers.
But as I play in a five man team, you will always hear me complain about zerglings, after I got roflstomped by 3 guilds in numbers of 45.
Btw: the maps are very small and In-Combat-Speed and CC limitation to 5 ppl makes kiting nearly impossible. So when the zerg spotted you while already infight, you either have Mass Invis or you will most certainly die. Not all 5, some always get away as the zerg only demands his offerings and everybody will try to leech the bag of the already downed players.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
“zerg is used in mmo games to describe force consisted of large group of lower level players (often with only basic equipment) who use numbers rather then strategy to defeat the enemy, therefore requiring no skill. This tactics is commonly known as zerging”
Thank you very much for this definition.
Assuming this definition is the truth, guilds like TUP, FURY, UNTY (and all that crowds) are exactly what professional players like me and my guildies would classify as a typical zerg.
Edit: Nuke is obviously also practising in this league.
I really hope you dont represent the opinion of your whole guild, if so i’ve just lost all my respect for it. And then having the nerve of calling yourself a ‘professional player’. A professional player knows how to pick his/hers fights, obviously the likes of you don’t, so i’d rather call you amateurs who revert to whining on the forums about everything you can possibly think of.
Picking fights in the era of culling is pretty hard, tbh :-D.
Although I dont agree with Markrau (in fact I think regarding the hour he posted, he came home after some Heidelberg Shake and was up for a little trolling), I really think that the bigger your numbers, the less skill is required from single players in the setup.
This will count more for a 40+ zerg than for a 15+ zerg but hey, its a pretty firm statement.
The bigger the number, the less individual skill is required.
I dont say they arent good tacticians (way better than I would be) or they dont know how to coordinate their teams, but what I state, is that on individual level I would outstand most 20+ setup players.
So I guess this is what Mechro was saying too, just in a less diplomatic way.
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
Cheers guys. I dont have anything against TUP or any big guild.
Its just pretty annoying if you already fight ounumbered and suddenly a guildraid of 20 + randoms walks over you.
And I just found the word platoon funny. Zerg is Zerg. No matter how ppl call it ;-).
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
let me see…flushed almost near 1000 gold in…using 90% rares and the rest exotics…have gone broke countless of time….emptied my bank slots countless of time….depression feels like waking up on a monday morning…result, 3 Dusk, 1 The Lover, 1 The Legend and 1 Zap…all in all, its like buying these precursors myself…just too addicted to the RNG aka gambling…I didnt get rich do all this…the gold keep going in and out at the same amount =.="
Awesome troll!
Thief | Zumy [Buka]
Legendary counter: Twilight, Bolt, Incinerator, Incinerator Nr. 2, Meteorlogicus, The Dreamer
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