Guild Wars 2

shrek.1046:

Zynt.5769:

Ithilwen.1529:

You missed the point. The matchmaker is deliberately stacking one team significantly stronger than the other. That is inherently unfair.

The assertion was made that the system would self level, since only players of similar skill levels should remain in a given range.

That idea has failed to pan out. It’s logically unsound and should be abandoned.

Those players have not in fact moved on. The population has been reduced to the point that they are being recycled through a larger and larger pip range. Thus, they get to use me over and over as a punching bag. Advancement doesn’t change it because the matchmaker has to keep expanding the pip range.

So you’re saying it’s a player population problem.

The matchmaker doesn’t mostly match enemy teams with a similar mmr it relies more on pip range. The problem was worse in S2 but this season appears to still be having a problem because its still not exactly matching teams by mmr although there is more restriction in terms of mmr range in S3. The rationale behind the system is just wrong headed and they should just go back to S1 matchmaking but as is typical with anet they stubbornly refuse to admit they they made a mistake. S1 had issues but the system is fairer. A solo q would also help.

I didn’t play in Season 1 (Didn’t feel like competing in Ranked), so I can’t speak on it. It’s interesting that I’ve seen some people that did take part in it, say it was the worst season for MM and the others saying it was the best.

The arguments I heard for it being the worst, were that people got “carried by better players”, to divisions that they “shouldn’t be in”. I’m using quotations because those are the things I’ve seen some people describe it with, as like I said I didn’t take part in Season 1, so I can’t really speak on it. Of course that was also when the notorious Mesmer/Chrono Bunker Build was dominating too.

In general, I’ve seen the people on the other side of the argument describe it as fairer (like you have). How did it match people compared to Season 2 & 3?

Solo q would be great. I’m guessing that Anet removed solo q, because the population wasn’t big enough, so they did it to reduce queue times.

I’d be interested to know how Ithilwen found Season 1, compared to 2 and 3.

Ithilwen.1529:

You missed the point. The matchmaker is deliberately stacking one team significantly stronger than the other. That is inherently unfair.

The assertion was made that the system would self level, since only players of similar skill levels should remain in a given range.

That idea has failed to pan out. It’s logically unsound and should be abandoned.

Those players have not in fact moved on. The population has been reduced to the point that they are being recycled through a larger and larger pip range. Thus, they get to use me over and over as a punching bag. Advancement doesn’t change it because the matchmaker has to keep expanding the pip range.

So you’re saying it’s a player population problem.

Ithilwen.1529:

@Zynt

No, but the players you mentioned are being placed in games that they are expected to win and given an advantage in team comp MMR.

@shrek

I agree 100%. I think the best measure of player skill would be solo queue only. The matches would also need to be picked with even teams.

You won’t be facing those players at lower divisions now, as they’ll have progressed quickly through at the beginning of the Leagues.

Cuchulainn.7421:

A lot of players soloed to Legendary? How many? 100% solo or temporaly Duo? You know this exactly lol? You really watch hours of their streams to confirm this?

True, I can’t confirm it and that wasn’t the best example, but it’s getting really extreme, saying that the match making system just says to itself “I think I’m going to make you lose, and I think I’m going to make you win”. You might as well ask your same question to the people making those claims.

“All your team mates suck? How many? You’re 100% better than the other players in all your teams and the MM is deciding it’s going to make you lose for the hell of it? You know this exactly lol? You really play on the same level as Helseth, should be at the high divisions and can confirm this without showing us your gameplay footage?”

But by your logic, you’re saying that players like Chaith, Helseth, Leeto etc are only winning, because the matchmaker is deciding that it’s going to let them win.

Granted there is truth that 1 player can only do so much, but a lot of people solo their way to Legend.

veslarius.8425:

Usually us eastern after 8pm off and on through like 1am, 3 at the latest

Hmm. I think we’ve got to the point where a lot of players have just lost interest and don’t play it that much anymore.

The only way to reduce queue times, is for more people to play the game.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Stacked DH teams can be vicious.

This is however, not a DH issue. It is an issue with match making stacking too many of the same class on the same team. Class stacking needs to be disabled within the algorithm’s match making.

Pretty much what Trev said. DH on it’s own isn’t a problem, so if it gets nerfed again, the class will just be completely obsolete. It’s the class stacking that’s the problem.

Ross Biddle.2367:

I made this for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_78YhAAcs6w

No angry Pip Memes?

What time do you play? Sounds like there’s not many people playing, if you’re always being grouped up with/against the same players.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Yeah I know how he describes himself.

Yeah being on TS and playing matches is a great way to teach things. It’s not the only way though!

What? I’m confused now. Isn’t Ithilwen a girl? Do you know them IRL? Not trying to sound condescending or anything, that’s a genuine question lol.

Anyway, perhaps Ithilwen’s found some success with the Ele/Tempest aura share build. I think that class and setup might work out better for Ithilwen, rather than Mesmer.

Celine.6857:

Sadly, I am unsure what input I can give here. Warrior bores me really (although this isn’t to say you don’t need skill and an understanding of PvP, rotations, counters, etc etc) but, I would say Warrior is one of the most simplest to play, but it may not suit her playstyle.

I recommend she tries anything really and if she wants to try D/F ele, she is more than welcome to PM me for some advice on combos, when to disengage and how etc. Like I said I don’t claim to be the best player in the world, but I do feel most comfortable with ele and I think I am strongest at this class.

That’s very kind of you Celine. Ok Ithilwen, how about trying out Tempest and use the D/F Aura Share build. Celine’s offered to give you some pointers on it, if you message her in-game.

You might find more success with Ele/Tempest, as it might be less awkward for you to play. Try it out and see how things go.

Celine.6857:

Zynt.5769:

Spartacus.3192:

Ithilwen.1529:

As to posting a video of my gameplay… Not a chance in the ninth circle of hell. I did that last season and got told in game that I should just go kill myself among other things.

This community told me I was garbage in game for weeks after posting a video last season… no chance folks.

Were the responses to your video posts honest or vicious? If honest and they said you was terrible then i would take those comments and advice.

Yes ANET has said one side is favored over the other but they also said the difference is a lot smaller than last season so the weaker team can pull off a win.

From what i remember you have been a mesmer main for a long time now and played Mesmer in Season 1 when it was OP and in season 2 when it was OP and yet every post of yours has been complaints about you losing game after game.

It seems really hard to believe that a person with your amount of experience on what was arguably one of the most OP classes in S1 and S2 is having this much “bad luck”

No doubt some people may have just said rude things, but she did receive a lot of good feedback on where she’s going wrong. For instance, a lot of us pointed out how she hesitates too much when deciding where to go, doesen’t use skills like Portal, which could easily allow quick travel between two points, or disengaging easier etc.

The number one biggest weakness we saw from the footage, was that she clicks on her skills to use them and sometimes had a habit of turning her character with the keys, instead of moving the mouse to quickly look around. She claimed that she clicks on skills, because she can’t use her left hand well, because of an injury and can’t press buttons fast enough because of it.

Taking all this into account, playing Mesmer will be causing her to lose games, or require her to be carried by her team mates. This is why I’ve suggested her using a more sustainable class, like Engi instead of something that requires you to be very dexterous.

Okay this is interesting. I too click on 6-0 skills because I have a rare skin disorder (Epidermolysis Bullosa) which makes my hands scarred and over considerable time have formed mittens (basically playing with two fists). Although my situation will be massively different, I wouldn’t suggest playing engineer, because that can be very button-mashy and trying to reach for F5 is pretty difficult at the best of times, but is made much worse if the OP is going to be mouse clicking (luckily I click all my function keys 99% of the time with my left hand; still not the same as mouse buttons using an MMO mouse, but much better).

Perhaps the way I play may also help the OP. After first playing the game, I struggled very much with moving and fighting. Once I realized I could move my character by holding down my two mouse keys, a new world opened up to me.

Now I mainly use the mouse for movement (alternating between WASD when I can and when necessary), and most of the time skills 6-0. In PvP when things get really hectic, this can alter but if you get used to it, you can play and I guarantee none of you would know you’re playing me unless you knew me and that’s not me being up myself or saying I’m the best player in the world, because I’m not, but not one person has ever commented on slow skills or slow reaction or weird movements.

I did get to almost the end of Ruby last season playing D/F elementalist (auramancer). I am used to ele anyway but I really really enjoy playing this in PvP and most of my success this season comes from playing auramancer ele.

I do hope this helps in some way.

[edit] Though my query from last season still stands: why the majority of team mates fail to do the most simplest of tasks during a PvP match, for example communicate, call target, rotate properly, look behind them (for example, one match recently I was capping tranquility and an ally came to watch over me, completely failed to notice enemies coming in behind her even though I targeted them and we didn’t get the cap. There are some even SIMPLER rules and obvious choices people fail to do during a PvP match and it quite literally baffles me how they are even there.

It sounds like you could probably be one of the most helpful to Ithilwen, given that you’re having to deal with a disadvantage too (sorry to hear about your condition by the way). Do you find playing Ele to be comfortable? I don’t think ithilwen has tried playing it.

Also you’re right, team mates do make some really daft decisions. The amount of times I’ve seen people follow another team mate to close at start, or just running into a 3v1 is mind blowing at times. Also found those charming folk, that don’t communicate at any point before (after you’ve initiated a team convo) or during a game, seemingly in their own little world, to only then insult the team at the end of the game before leaving. But I digress.

Ithilwen is very attached to Mesmer. She tried Warrior earlier, but I’m not sure if she’s switched back to Mesmer. I’m not sure how much joy she’ll find sticking with Mesmer in PvP. Would you recommend she tries D/F Ele?

Aeroxe.8140:

Pyriall.1683:

Aeroxe.8140:

Honestly, with the abysmal player base I think the system in place is near the best that anet can pull off, and I’m sure they know it. I’m all for people dropping leagues and losing tickets and stuff, but can we really afford that when we need people to grind up leagues, feel good about themselves, and feel a sense of progression?

We might need to tune matchmaking because these “MMR hell” posts show up more and more, and it’s obviously bothering a lot of people. We need to get people that are on maybe a 3+ loss streak to be then given an incredibly easy game with a stacked team of their own maybe.

Who cares if OP is not taking the issue into his own hands by getting better and instead blaming the game? We just need more players to play and are content with their performance. With every post like this, I’m sure hundreds of others are feeling the same and it really is justified from both sides.

Your suggestion is just as bad as her complaining.

In retrospect, I can see how it might be because it sounds like I’m exaggerating and I’m pointing the finger, but this is what I believe. People shouldn’t have to go through a loss streak of 25-30 no matter how unwilling they are to improve. There should be some safety system to ensure that there is an incredibly high chance of winning a match after a loss streak.

Above all, we just need players to play the game without being discouraged so that anet can implement some better, less grindy system.

I don’t think it’s really possible for them to put a feature in to do that, other than to just give you an automatic win for losing. I think the only way they could really do something about keeping less skilled players from constant losing streaks, is if there were a 15v15, objective based mode or something. This isn’t a thought out idea or anything, just a random example.

5v5 requires every team member to pull their weight, but larger teams could mean you can get away with a couple of less skilled players on your team.

I don’t think GW2 has been designed for that to work too well though. The closest thing we have to that, is WvW. Not to mention the playerbase in PvP is probably way too small now, to be seperating people into even more game modes.

Ithilwen.1529:

That wasn’t the deal. The wings were allegedly for everyone.

Did they say “Everyone gets a pair of wings for entering a ranked game.”, or was it more like “Everyone can have a shot at getting the wings.”?

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

Ithilwen.1529:

OK, I’ve been playing 11 hours straight and have 27 straight stompings to show for it. Kitten it, I’m staying until I can log with a win.

The matchmaking is clearly not working correctly.

A real competitive system would make it harder to win if you won and easier if you lost. ANET chooses to favor players by doing the opposite.

The problem here most likely is that you push yourself to keep playing for insane amounts of time, which doesn’t help you at all. You get more and more kittened, more and more unfocused and it’s all gonna go south even further. Take a break, take it easy. Since you apparently have a problem with one of your hands, did you consider getting one of those one-handed mouse-keyboard-hybrids? Might help you, too.

We’ve made these suggestions multiple times now. Unfortunately she seems unwilling to listen and is adamant about grinding away at PvP, in order to get the legendary backpack.

I’m actually concerned that it’s having a bad impact on her health, as she said she plays until she’s nauseous and has a headache, whilst dedicating full-time work hours to playing it.

Ithilwen.1529:

@Chaith
I resent that you call me incompetent by implication. I’m not the best player by a long stretch.. but I’m not incompetent either with 3 world completions and nearly 4 years on my main.

You can’t really Compare World Completion to sPvP. PvE is a different ball game to PvP.

Ithilwen.1529:

I log off when the headache or the nausea get to be too much. I’m at 12 straight losses so far for tonight.. wondering if I can hang to get my nightly win.

This right here, shouldn’t be happening. You shouldn’t be playing to the point where you’re getting nauseous and have a bad headahce. You’re going to cause serious issues for youself if you keep that up. Please for your own well being, take a break. It’s just a video game. Don’t let it cause health issues for yourself.

Chaith.8256:

Ithilwen.1529:

The league has never “levelled out” not in the past seasons and it won’t now. That’s a myth that was used to justify deliberately unfair matchmaking. So taking time off is counter productive.
As to “practically welfare” I think you have a skewed perspective, sir. I need to grind as hard as possible to jump through all the hoops.

I’m just going to point out that you don’t have the best experiences playing through leagues.

You’d be smart to not just dismiss all advice and insist you have to grind 80 more losses, and tank your MMR further. You say taking time off is counter productive, but what’s actually counter productive is just you queuing in general.

I have a good amount of experience with the leagues, and you do have drastically easier matches towards the very end of the season when the majority of competent players have cleared that content and either moved on, or stopped.

Think of all the things in life you could be doing instead of losing 25 times in a row, early Season?

What stage of the Season did you hit Ruby in S2? Maybe you maintain that your loss-grinding all season finally paid off near the end, but I hope you’re not that blind.

Agreed. Look ithilwen, I know you REALLY want those wings, but you’re placing way too much importance on them. The wings aren’t going to buy you a new car, a new house, put food on the table etc.

If you really are putting full-time working hours into it like you say, just grinding away PvP games, I think it’s time you ask yourself, is it really worth spending so much time doing that, when you could be doing something more productive/beneficial?

All the backpack is doing, is making you angry and causing you stress.

Ithilwen.1529:

I want the kittened prize. I’ve worked hard for it and I’ll be kittened if I’m going to walk away at this point.

I think you should really adjust your mindset. Did you ever hear the phrase from your parents “I want, doesn’t get” when you were growing up?

Everyone seems to want a reward for doing anything in todays society. If Andy Murray loses Wimbledon, he accepts it, then trains to improve himself, so that next time he can hopefully win.

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Zynt.5769:

Here’s the thing. No amount of changes to MMR are going to improve Ithilwen’s gameplay. If she still plays how she did in the gameplay video she posted, then she’s going to keep losing.

Her team are having to carry her, so they’re essentially 4v5ing the enemy team. She’d be better off playing on an Engi. It’s obviously not going to make her team win, but they’ll stand more of a chance.

She has a disability in one of her hands. Engi might still be a bit much with all the F buttons on toolbelt. IMO she should look into getting an MMO mouse or something.

Yeah, a gaming mouse might help out. I also think that she needs to just step away from PvP for a day or two and refresh. Ithilwen, you’ve said, a few times, that you put in working day hours into PvP to try and get the legendary backpack. I think the backpack has way too much control over you.

It’s clearly having an effect on your emotional state, that can’t be good for your health. It’s at the point where you’re not just making angry posts on the forums, but also PMing people in game with insults when they outplay you.

In the end, the legendary backpack is just a graphic in a video game. It’s really not worth getting this stressed out over. Take a few days off and just relax. Change your mindset from playing to get the backpack, to playing to just play.

Here’s the thing. No amount of changes to MMR are going to improve Ithilwen’s gameplay. If she still plays how she did in the gameplay video she posted, then she’s going to keep losing.

Her team are having to carry her, so they’re essentially 4v5ing the enemy team. She’d be better off playing on an Engi. It’s obviously not going to make her team win, but they’ll stand more of a chance.

Set.7461:

Zynt.5769:

Sigh She hasn’t resorted to PMing angry messages when someone beats her has she? We’ve told her that Mesmer isn’t her strong point (we all saw her gameplay footage she posted) and she should switch to a more sustainable class, since Mesmer (also Thief) requires you to be quite dexterous, but she refuses to listen to any advice.

I was told that I’m something along the lines of a “slimebag” and to “play a class with skills”. That’s funny because from what I’ve heard, Mesmer and Thief are very similar in terms of skill. I got my 8 winstreak, broke Sapphire, and called it a night. Browsed the forums and was surprised I affected her to a point where it warranted a forum post.

I guess on the brightside, if you’re making an enemy team angry, it means you’re doing your job right as a Thief lol.

Set.7461:

Turk.5460:

Just…stop. Staff Thieves have at maximum 2 stuns, and if they actually have 2, then you must be in Amber tier.

Raises hand
It was actually Emerald going to Sapphire.

To OP, I had 25 stacks of Bloodlust, Basilisk up, and you were being predictable. Porting away, no stealth, blowing dodges back to back, granny shifting not double clutching like you should. No need to PM me with salt.

Sigh She hasn’t resorted to PMing angry messages when someone beats her has she? We’ve told her that Mesmer isn’t her strong point (we all saw her gameplay footage she posted) and she should switch to a more sustainable class, since Mesmer (also Thief) requires you to be quite dexterous, but she refuses to listen to any advice.

Ithilwen.1529:

I’d love to take a “break.” Sadly, the bar for winning the wings has been set so high that I really can’t. With the matchmaking the way it is I have two choices; Throw away two season’s worth of work and quit or Grind every day as much as possible in the blind hope that I can get a lucky streak long enough to get across a division. If I can do that AND do the same thing next season… I could potentially win my wings.

I didn’t claim being in my 4rth year in GW2 entitled me to win. I implied that if I’m not a top level player, I’m also not completely incompetent.

As to being “where I belong;” Sadly, I can’t be “where I belong.” My goal in putting up with this craziness is to win the wings. Therefore, I need to cross divisions.

I’d like nothing more than to be in a division with relatively even matches. That won’t accomplish my goal though. I can’t win my wings by being “where I belong.” ANET has decreed that I need to get above “where I belong” by hook or by crook.

So this idea of separating players into appropriate skill levels directly opposes the reasons many of us are playing ranked in the first place, ie to win the wings.

I’m guessing you blacked out your skill bar in the screenshot, because you’re still insisting on playing Mesmer, despite multiple people advising you that given your circumstances (and gameplay footage), that Mesmer isn’t a class you’re playing particularly well.

You seem to be putting way too much importance on that backpiece. Is it really worth all the anger it’s causing you? It’s your choice what you do, but this thing appears to be causing you a lot of grief. If it makes you feel any better, the stats on the backpiece won’t really help much.

Wasn’t it the humans that originally invaded Ascalon and kicked the charr out?

Shadow.1345:

Zynt.5769:

sanctuary.1068:

Ithilwen.1529:

I’m seeing match after match with 2-4 Wars and DH on the other side and none on mine. It’s very clear that my side is set to lose. This is not “competitive.”

Blowout after blowout after blowout. No this won’t “level out” it never did last season.

I really resent being put on a team that is clearly set to lose, then being punished for having lost. I was in a relationship like that once…

You mentioned in season two you had a damage in your arm that makes it difficult to play the game. You also posted a vid of your gameplay where i could clearly see you didnt play your role that well as a mesmer. I think because of your arm, its difficult to play mesmer since theyre so squishy and you need alot of movement if you would start taking damage. I think it would be easier for you to start playing engie or ele since they arent as squishy and quite forgiving if you would take an extra hit since that hit wont be the desicion of life & death. Dh rly isnt difficult to counter and warriors is only difficult if you play a class with little to no cleanse.

I agree. Mesmer isn’t really the best profession for Ithilwen to play in PvP, given her circumstances. Warrior might be a better option for her, or like you said Engi/Ele.

Give one (or all) of those classes a try Ithilwen, and see how you do with them. Play it safe and use a build from MetaBattle. You might find more success with them.

I agree as well. I know you love your mesmer but it is clearly not working for you. I know how that feels because I have always loved thief classes but being older my reflexes just aren’t what they were once and thief needs lightning fast reflexes to play. I still play thief sometimes but I stick to unranked with it now and just bring it out for profession achievements in ranked. I tried out necro and enjoyed it but then I fell in love with scrapper because it does a lot of what I want now in a class.

Really you should stop beating your head against that wall and consider it is time to play a new class. You may find something you enjoy far more than mesmer. Because honestly I feel kinda bad for you with how much you hurt yourself over this. You mentioned being in that relationship, consider that th emesmer class is that relationship now. Maybe it is time to stop seeing the pretty shinies in it and see it for the abusive relationship it is.

Couldn’t have put it better. Ithilwen, I strongly advise that you put Mesmer down for PvP and pick up a class that would be more suitable for you to play in Ranked games. Like Shadow pointed out, playing Mesmer clearly isn’t working out. There comes a time when you need to accept that and try something else.

I’m not saying stop playing Mesmer entirely, delete the character etc, but if you’re wanting to increase your odds of winning, then you’d be best off not playing that class. I know you don’t want to hear this, but after seeing the footage you posted of your gameplay, you didn’t play Mesmer very effectively. Chances are, when you’re playing, the other team see you as a free kill. Again, I’m not trying to be mean, I’m just pointing out the reality.

You really should consider playing Engi for Ranked. I understand you have a problem with your arm, which is why I’d strongly urge you to play a class that doesen’t require the physical dexterity that Mesmer does. You’d be helping not only yourself, but your team as well.

sanctuary.1068:

Ithilwen.1529:

I’m seeing match after match with 2-4 Wars and DH on the other side and none on mine. It’s very clear that my side is set to lose. This is not “competitive.”

Blowout after blowout after blowout. No this won’t “level out” it never did last season.

I really resent being put on a team that is clearly set to lose, then being punished for having lost. I was in a relationship like that once…

You mentioned in season two you had a damage in your arm that makes it difficult to play the game. You also posted a vid of your gameplay where i could clearly see you didnt play your role that well as a mesmer. I think because of your arm, its difficult to play mesmer since theyre so squishy and you need alot of movement if you would start taking damage. I think it would be easier for you to start playing engie or ele since they arent as squishy and quite forgiving if you would take an extra hit since that hit wont be the desicion of life & death. Dh rly isnt difficult to counter and warriors is only difficult if you play a class with little to no cleanse.

I agree. Mesmer isn’t really the best profession for Ithilwen to play in PvP, given her circumstances. Warrior might be a better option for her, or like you said Engi/Ele.

Give one (or all) of those classes a try Ithilwen, and see how you do with them. Play it safe and use a build from MetaBattle. You might find more success with them.

Yes, leaving names in chat, or anywhere on the screenshot, can land you in hot water on the forums.

I think you’ll get into bother for posting a screenshot with someone’s name in there. You should scrub out the name.

Ithilwen.1529:

I’ve been sticking with Mesmer, trying to get a few of the easier achievements. I’m an even more serious liability on most other classes. Although.. as hardcore godmode as warrior is right now…

hmm, I think it’s best to learn a few classes, that way you can switch, to try and better compliment your team’s comp/counter the enemy comp. The majority of people never switch, so it usually falls upon you to do it.

I’d suggest taking some time to learn a couple more classes. It won’t guarantee a win obviously, but it can help increase your chances. You’ll also get a better feel for those classes and what their weaknesses are.

I’m pretty sure there’s at least one more season after this one. You should be alright getting the backpiece.

Do you switch classes yourself, or do you stay with Mesmer?

World completion, crafting, skin hunting, HoT meta events, WvW, sPvP.

Knighthonor.4061:

I want something different from the controlled PvP. Something different from the 5v5 arena matches.

I would like some 10 vs 10, or 20 vs 20 like Battlefront with objectives of multiple kinds and longer battle times.

WvW just isnt cutting it for me, due to so much PvD and the zerg is too hard hitting now without healers.

I would like something in the middle of controlled group, and larger group sizes than 5v5 and with objectives of both offense and defense.

I’d love some new modes like that. The 5v5 Conquest mode is getting pretty stale to me. We can only hope that Anet will put in some new sPvP modes. I guess the problem is making sure that enough players are available, to play the modes, given that the GW2 playerbase is spread out across PvE, WvW and PvP.

I’d strongly advise just taking a break. If you leave the game for few days, you’ll have a clear mind when you log in again. Also, do you play multiple classes? It’s always a good idea to switch between classes, to get a “feel” for them.

It’s not worth getting stressed over. Take some time to relax and do something else for a while.

RoseofGilead.8907:

Killer Queen is the one I use because I love the song “Killer Queen”.

That’s the title I see most commonly these days. In particular, I see a LOT of Human/Norn females with it, but I digress.

I just have “The Tormentor” on my character(s). No reason for it really though. I kinda just pick a title from the list, that being the latest.

Ohoni.6057:

Hmm, if you’re really not enjoying PvP Ohoni, I’d say it’s really not worth forcing yourself to do it, purely to get the wings. If at a point a game isn’t fun for you, I don’t think there’s point in playing it.

This isn’t the best of examples, but I play a lot of Mario Kart 8. I unlocked all the vehicle parts a long time ago, but I still play the game a lot. The reason I play it, is because I find the game really fun to play. I don’t need a reward for playing it, because the satisfaction of just playing it is enough.

Yeah, but the thing is, I really do enjoy the PvE elements of the game, when I can play them, and the reason I want the wings is so I can use them in the PvE parts of the game. I mean you can’t even USE wings in PvP, aside from goofing around in the waiting room.

To borrow your Mariokart example, what if you still loved Mariokart, enjoyed playing it every single day, still intended to play it every day for years to come, but there was one mode of it that you didn’t enjoy, that balloon popping mode or whatever.

And what if there was a kart model that turned out was really awesome looking to you, based off your favorite franchise or something, and it would make you super happy if you could use that skin while playing in the parts of the game you enjoyed. To earn it, however, you’d have to play the mode you hated for about an hour a day, for about four months in total.

So you’re left with the choice, spend those 120+ hours playing a mode that you don’t enjoy, or NEVER have that kart model that you would really enjoy having. Neither choice is a good option, so what is the benefit in forcing you to choose between the lesser of two bad options? Why shouldn’t they offer a truly good option where you could earn the item you want while enjoying the gameplay that you’re experiencing to earn it?

And it’s funny that people in this thread keep telling me that I should just stop PvPing, because in the raid thread they’re telling me the exact opposite, that if I want the raid armor I should start raiding several hours a day until I “git gud” and start clearing the raids. Why is it that neither camp is actually interested in listening?

Well, I actually love the battle mode in Mario Kart, but in Mario Kart 8, they really screwed battle mode up, to the point that it may as well not even exist in the game. I played battle mode a lot in Mario Kart Wii though. As a result of how they screwed it up, I don’t play battle mode, because it’s just not enjoyable in Mario Kart 8.

Let’s say for examples sake though, there was some kind of cool looking skin in a mode I didn’t like. It wouldn’t be enough to tide me over to play the mode, because cosmetics don’t really mean much to me. I think it’s cool and all, but cosmetic items have never been a driving force for me to play something. That’s why I’ve never bothered with any of the things in GW2, like the snowy shoulder things, that make snowflakes fall around your character.

We obviously have different mindsets on these things. Cosmetic items seem very important to you, but not to me, so it’s a no brainer for me to just ignore a game/game mode if I don’t enjoy it.

If you feel like getting the wings will feel worth putting up with a mode you dislike, go for it. I personally wouldn’t bother with it though, but it’s entirely up to you.

Hmm, if you’re really not enjoying PvP Ohoni, I’d say it’s really not worth forcing yourself to do it, purely to get the wings. If at a point a game isn’t fun for you, I don’t think there’s point in playing it.

This isn’t the best of examples, but I play a lot of Mario Kart 8. I unlocked all the vehicle parts a long time ago, but I still play the game a lot. The reason I play it, is because I find the game really fun to play. I don’t need a reward for playing it, because the satisfaction of just playing it is enough.

Putting lots of hours into something that you’re not enjoying (apart from stuff like work obviously), just seems pointless to me. Is it really worth the hours and hours of something that you hate, just for a shiny graphic on your character’s back?

If you’re finding yourself not enjoying PvP, then I’d say no, the wings aren’t worth the effort. IMO, if you’re not having fun playing a game/game mode, then there’s no point in playing it. I wouldn’t force yourself to play it if you’re not having fun.

Really, the backpiece is just a shiny graphic to slap on your character’s back. It’s not going to make you play better if you get it or anything. Granted it’s a legendary, but I don’t think it’s stats are going to help that much.

Honestly, just playing the game generates me lots of gold. Selliing greens and blues, salvaging golds, then selling the materials on the TP. You now get 2 gold for completeing 3 dailies too.

Celine.6857:

Thiefz.3695:

Fishball is right. Statistically, higher MMR players will be put with lower ranking or newbie teams in Unranked because the match making program is looking to make comparable teams with the same average MMR so any combination of MMR is possible on the same team. In Ranked, it was just based on your PIP level so at some point, higher MMR players would only face high MMR players.

So while a few people got to legendary by grinding, it wasn’t like it was throwing sapphires or ambers on your team. Also I believe I read last season that Unranked MMR decays so if you didn’t play for a few months due to Seasons, your MMR tanked a bit which hurts higher tier players.

However, Unranked is basically Hot Join and I think that’s the complaint. It does keep queue times low though..

The problem comes when your team doesn’t listen to your advice, and strategy and that happens a lot. It is infuriating.

Then you also have language barriers, and simply without being rude (because I’m not), it makes it nigh impossible to communicate if your team doesn’t speak English (and I only pick English because it is the world’s language) and that’s a completely different point.

I still prefer ranked over unranked any day and I enjoyed out of any division Ruby best, with the closest matches and fun, dedicated, communicative players who knew how to call target, rotate, knew when to support, watched the map, and all those things most people seem to completely ignore.

unfortauntely this happens a lot, even in PvE. People just flat out ignore their team mates. The amount of times I’ve been in a team, some of us agree who’ll go close etc, only for someone to then follow the person going to close and double cap.

Or people that won’t communicate at the beginning of a game, stay silent throughout, then if the team ends up losing, they finally say something in team chat, insulting the team. I’m sure people are half asleep whilst playing this game.

Ellie.5913:

I don’t know what hes talking about, I find way more fun competitive matches in unranked than current ranked… At least my team doesn’t get farmed at the bottom of the base in unranked soon as they leave like they did in ranked. That is pure insanity. I’d say most of the people who experienced that probably quit already so you won’t hear them complaining, most of the complaints about unranked is most likely from the people who were doing the farming in ranked. So i can understand them complaining now that things are more even and they have to try more, but don’t worry I’m sure ranked will start back up soon.

I’ve just stopped PvPing. I’ve been logging in less and less. I only really do dailies, and some WvW, now that Anet has managed to breathe life back into it. The sPvP though, I’ve just stopped, as I haven’t found it fun for a while now.

Been looking at Battleborn and Overwatch for PvP.

Svarty.8019:

Seventh Angel.4879:

As a new player who has been trying to find his way into GW2 PvP (just opened a thread on this same subject), I fully agree with the OP and with Grimreaper.

Because I like the PvP maps and many of the aspects of the game, I am still here, but trying to learn the basics of sPvP while being punched around is a horrible experience. Imho, the complexity and reaction speed involved make it almost impossible to have any kind of fun or learning beyond the stress and the ignorance on what may be happening.

This is a great post and I believe it expresses the typical PvP experience.

Great games are fun to play and difficult to master, but mastery should mean roflstomping everybody with little-to-no reaction needed. This is why I believe it’s important that spike damage be reduced and thus fights last longer, giving new players time to react (not easy when enemies spike from a stealthed position) and making fights more satisfying when a victory does come.

One of the things the developers got wrong:

• Traits which allow abilities to do more damage when enemies are lower on health – this is the opposite of what should be happening. When enemies have high health you should do more damage, then as they get worn down, it becomes more difficult to finish them off.

I agree with you. The spike damage is just too much imo. Surely something must be wrong when someone can insta kill another player, with little to no time for reaction, for the player on the receiving end.

It really feels like people are going to just be driven away from sPvP, more and more. New players won’t want to stick around when this kind of thing happens to them.

DaikonSamurai.6714:

Zynt.5769:

DaikonSamurai.6714:

Zynt.5769:

DaikonSamurai.6714:

I don’t get why so many people are against this. Why not give a transgender character some prominence. I just want it to be a good story lol. As long as it’s a good story I don’t care what sexuality the characters are.

It’s not that people are against a transgender character, it’s that people don’t want a character shoehorned in, for the sake of it.

And you’re all assuming that’s what the OP wants. I’m pretty sure Mr. Penguin wants a well told story just as much as anyone here. Background characters gain prominence in stories all the time, so if an element of the story calls for it, why not Sya?

But then one could ask, out of the hundreds of random NPCs in the game, why Sya?

Why not?

I’m not saying Sya couldn’t be part of it, providing the character would be well written and brought something to the plot. But why Sya and not one of the hundreds of other NPCs?

DaikonSamurai.6714:

Zynt.5769:

DaikonSamurai.6714:

I don’t get why so many people are against this. Why not give a transgender character some prominence. I just want it to be a good story lol. As long as it’s a good story I don’t care what sexuality the characters are.

It’s not that people are against a transgender character, it’s that people don’t want a character shoehorned in, for the sake of it.

And you’re all assuming that’s what the OP wants. I’m pretty sure Mr. Penguin wants a well told story just as much as anyone here. Background characters gain prominence in stories all the time, so if an element of the story calls for it, why not Sya?

But then one could ask, out of the hundreds of random NPCs in the game, why Sya?

DaikonSamurai.6714:

I don’t get why so many people are against this. Why not give a transgender character some prominence. I just want it to be a good story lol. As long as it’s a good story I don’t care what sexuality the characters are.

It’s not that people are against a transgender character, it’s that people don’t want a character shoehorned in, for the sake of it.

The PvP in Gw2 does feel very chaotic. I think it’s mainly because the game isn’t balanced around 1v1 duels, instead the classes are balanced around team comps. In Gw1, they seperated the PvE and PvP skills, balancing them for both game modes, whereas in Gw2, they didn’t do that.

I can see a lot of new players just not even bothering with PvP, as you can get blown up in a couple of seconds, even in Hot Join where skilled players go when they’re trying out new things, or if they’re bored. I’m not saying that the skilled players are at fault here either, it’s fully within their right to play where they want, but the game just feels so unbalanced and not newcomer friendly, at least in PvP.

Considering the amount of people that go into Conquest, ignore the objectives and just focus on killing the enemy players, I’d very much welcome a team deathmatch mode back into the game.

I’ve voiced my opinion on AB from Gw1 a few times. I’d LOVE Gw2 to have something like the AB. The 5v5 small Conquest mode, can sometimes get a bit stressful, so it’d nice to unwind with something like AB.

Locuz.2651:

Zynt.5769:

From my experience, I found Unranked to have better quality than Ranked. The games I had there were fun, close games. In Ranked it was just blowout games. I’d win 8/10 games, so losing wasn’t an issue, but there wasn’t much competition to be had.

Unranked = half the team afk on either side most of the time.

If thats quality in your eyes

Like I said, from my experience the games haven’t been like that in Unranked, if anything it was Ranked games that were like that. So my Unranked games have actually been a better quality.

I’m getting pretty annoyed with all the crashes. Every time I’m in WvW, the game crashes. Usually when things start to get hectic, with countless players around. Even with limited character models on, it still happens.