Guild Wars 2

i remember when i first unlocked this skill (had fast cast as well so i’d just spam #1 key without the extra mouse click)… heh, everytime i busted out my elite for kicks, my wife would be like “NOOO not that move again!!! no one cares bout your wrath!” lolol

but yes, i agree maybe they can scream it the first time, and then each time you do it after a #2, 3, 4 or 5.

on the side, is there enough time (untraited) to pull off two #4’s? from my experience, i start off with #4 most of the time, then when it’s off CD i’ll do it again, but it’ll always run out RIGHT before it’s about to cast

we sort of have the starter armors. but i too would like to see full profession armor for each class. would be kinda neat.

on average, each dungeon run seems “close” to one full level (i’ve seen the number 75% of a level thrown around before). so like Blix ^^^ mentioend, some of the faster dungeon runs can help achieve that, as well as net you some gold. ; ))

on the other hand, if you have crafts you wanna level up, you can do that as well.

@DamagePlan – there are a few Soldier helms actually : )) AC, HotW or SE (iirc) dungeons offer PVT stats. but if you’re going the karma route, then yes, there is no temple that sells Soldier helms for Karma.

@Ashariel – just speaking from experience here ; )) again, PVT armour has it’s place, but i’d at least mix in some Knight’s with it (your crit chance could be EASILY higher). like Brutaly mentioned, i myself found full Knight’s to be more survivable than PVT mixed with Knight’s jewelry. AH build hugely benefits from crits, from traits to runes to sigils.. so the more crit chance, the better i feel.

plus, if you plan to go with Soldier runes, you get added vit and toughness from there, so maybe you’d feel more comfortable picking up some knight’s armor to bring up the crit chance. I’ve heard Lyssa does wonders and many Guards like it. quick question – which elite do you use? do note that if you use either Tome, since they count as transformations, the #6 Lyssa effect doesn’t occur with the Tomes, unless if you actively transform out of the Tome Elites (i.e. if you just let it run it’s course, the runes won’t remove conditions, and give you boons). though works okay with renewed focus, and i assume racial elites, again, as long as they aren’t transformational skills.

lastly, for hammer, it’s one of the “tankier” weapons if you will. with great CC and the symbol of proection. with high enough crit chance ~40%+, i don’t feel you need extra healing with the AH build. so i’d go with Knight’s. or even Berserkers when you get more used to the build and can mitigate more dmg through gameplay ; )))

@Balerathon – when i go deep in Honors, it’s always hard for me to choose traits lol. when i am using WoE i love the added radius. can hit more allies, and foes.. though shout CD is super useful as well. so depends on my build and weapon choices at the time. if both weapon sets i’m currently equipping don’t have symbols, then i’ll most likely ditch WoE. if i am using judge’s intervention or purging flames or WoR consistently, or even a mix and match, i’ll most likely drop SA. and i don’t feel the regular sized symbols are gimped too badly. though i’d just wish they were the traited size to start with. :ppp

and everything Brutaly said ; )))

hey Chris, can’t find minitage #2 on my phone. is it not up on mobile yet? or no plans to?

anyways, read in the other thread you started to use the hammer for a bit using this build. did you happen to get any footage of that? just curious to see and always looking to see how other Hammer Guards play.

keep them coming! always love the intro’s of your videos.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

…or you can show them up in-game where the real fights happen.

this.

and also to never forget how you have the most fun with any given WvW match-up, and do exactly that.

i’m gonna say it: some people are craycray. i guess you could always weight the two options (1) rush in and help someone, but get yelled at due to their own agenda or (2) not rush in in fear of being yelled at or CBF but miss out on potentially someone who genuinely needed help.

i’m always going to rush in no matter what. if they yell at you, just /shrug and apologize (if you feel bad enough or just to be courteous, which is what we should alls trive to be!). there will always be people complaining. daily dodger? that’s one daily achiv i don’t feel i ever have to actively try to complete. caus eyou get it done through normal combat.. usually.

though that being said, everyone has a story, and if they’re strapped for time, maybe they had to get in done asap before they had to log for the day. who knows.

Yramrag.3026:

Falunel.7645:

I personally like to use the kits Lionguard Lyns sells in Lion’s Arch- they come in stacks of 250 and are relatively easy to get.

Doesn’t this require some special tokens to buy the kit? Or can they be bought using just gold?

haven’t checked in with Lionguard Lyns since she’s been back, but you need 25 Commendations (which can be earned by making “donations” to the Mysfic forge. need to see Miyani as well. can see here for details:
http://dulfy.net/2012/11/17/gw2-captains-council-commendations-guide/)

^^^ agree with running x/15/x/x/5 at lvl 40. : )))
spammable blind, burn, might and what else is pretty awesome while leveling.

also, just another note, make use of combo’s! am sure all classes should do this more, but as a Guard, you have a lot at your disposal, even if only combo-ing with yourself (i.e. while solo-ing). light fields and fire fields can net you condition removal, AoE retal, fire shields, more retal, and what not.

seems to be good fights all around here!

glad TC is enjoying the match-up more this week. BG, hope to see u guys again soon – some of the best fights i’ve personally ever had. miss you both ; ))

FA, keep it up and give the two above a hard time! XDD

hopefully!!! this will just make Honor line work as intended. at least one grandmaster trait is fixed now. though i was highly hoping PoV woulda been fixed by now. that’s why i’m so eager for class notes all the time.

i love playin with hammer and GS in WvW. it’s a lot of fun. though with this build, i prefer to stick to my hammer + mace/shield combo.

with the hammer, argubly, you’re getting a lot more protection, and a bunch of CC’s to boot which can in turn mitigate dmg to a certain extent. so depends how you utilize the weapon sets and if you do so well enough ; )) a lot of retal (AoE to boot) from using the hammer as well. though one symbol / field depends on finishing your chain attack, hammer #5 Ring of Warding acts as one too. and you trap / keep out enemies in the process of doing so too!

as of late, been tryin running a build with Hammer and GS. this gives you 3 lightfields – GS Symbol of Wrath, albeit one being at the end of hammer chain one for Symbol of Protection, Ring of Warding also acts as a light field.

so depending on the situaton, you can cleanse conditions, give AoE retaliation, give yourself even more retaliation, etc etc… a short combo i sometimes open up with either WW or Binding Blades with Judge’s into a group, drop symbol of wrath —> retal, leap —> more retal → switch to hammer, might blow —> AoE retal. and then i start hammering away. you can mix and match easily depending on the situation.

throw in purging flames (condi removal, burn, flaming bolts + AoE might is fun as well) and you can do a lot more.

AH is Altruistic Healing – grandmaster (30 pts) in the valor line.
EM is Empowering Might – master (20 pts) in the honor line, iirc

check here for all related Guardian Traits:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_guardian_traits

so AH is a trait that heals you for a little bit every time you place a boon on yourself and allies (up to 4, so 5 “allies” total).

and EM is a trait where you give might to those around you when you crit. you can see where this is headed. with a decent crit chance build (~40%+), these tow traits work together hand in hand. you crit, you hit hard, you heal, you give dmg boons to ur party, to hit harder, so on and so forth.. and that’s just the beginning of any AH build.

that being said, situational awareness is HUGE in this game. i feel AH is great in that you’re tanky, you can dish out dmg and survive to kill, kill to survive, but it’s still not more invaluable than being able to completely mitigate dmg – dodges, blocks, blinds and positioning.

start practicing being aware of your surroundings, your own position in relation to your allies, as well as to your enemies. and learn to dodge the big hits. at times, when i was solo-ing in the open world, i’ll try to take on a small mob without taking any dmg. then i’ll move on to a vet to do the same. and champs now (though a lot harder). but it’s good practice : )) and REALLy makes you learn how your class works.

good luck!! and keep having fun. i didnt’ start really learning my GUardian until i was post lvl 30 as well. and at 80. i am still testing myself every time i log on.

[added: also, if you’re gonan try or aim for an AH build, or even before that, try out the shouts! they’re super useful. i remember once during a story mission with my wife, we kept getting wiped by these dredge, i swapped in two shouts and we easy moded, with all the broken armor on us lol. bottom line, try out all traits, skills, weapons ; )) find sth you like as well]

does someone wanna take my place at work while i go home and log on?
i’ll send you one super rare candy corn.

bringing this back up, since had another quick question.

does Radiant Power (Radiance 25pts) only increase a flat 10% as long as there is one condition or are conditions on your foe? i.e. more conditions don’t increase dmg done?

heh, well said regarding duels. but like you said, open 1v1’s. i almost thirst for those. seem harder to come by now, it’s always get steamroll by zergs. now if i can come up with an effective way of dealing with those. ; ))

and yes, staff is definitely more useful in big fights. with high enough crt or dmg, even staff #1 can scare some people off and gives you breathing room or follow up with the hammer.

been able to time by banishes a lot more now and had some big 3 way battles recently, and smacking people off ledges / cliffs is just too. much. fun.

goign to watch your latest vids during lunch again heh.

lol nice superbowl update!

and can’t wait to get back on! but i won’t be able to play much during the weekdays anymore, which makes me kind of sad. the couple times i did get on this weekend on reset was So. Much. Fun. been testing new builds out here and there and probs shouldan’t be doing that against you guys. but still, helped speed up the learning process a LOT.

eeryone make the most out of this week until ranking reset. and hopefully we’ll see you guys soon enough. you’ll be sure to see me before this match up ends.

for Rall!

@obal, lol that’s awesome. do you always play lying down? i feel my senses are never up to par when i lean back and relax.. haha not that i’m stressed when i’m playing. but yea.

yea i did that with my sigil of luck back when i was actively “farming” lol.

i feel i get downed too much in WvW to hugely benefit from it : // but i think that’s just a confidence thing. have always wanted to try bloodlust or perception.

and thanks for the confirms on my other questions! good to know.

can’t wait to sport the little bugger as a backpack in WvW! XDD

so the reset is 4pm PST? hopefully i’ll be able to join in the last few moments for whatever it’s worth : ))

heh, just answered your other thread.

if you’re an avid shield user and trait for it, you get reduced CD’s and +90 toughness.

namely for me, the bubble shield is just useful in so many ways so it adds a lot of utility to a group composition. even running solo somtimes, i’ve found it helps a lot. absorbs ranged, knockbacks, gives you some breathing room if needed.

few uses off top my head:

• knock people off cliffs
• push away enemies trying to stomp your down allies
• deny stealths by thieves, or even deny any burst skills by any melee oriented / burst classes
• even useful when i’m chasing down enemies for a quick knockdown so my allies can catch up to them
• protect siege if needed

and if you will, completes the “knight” or “soldier” feel to the Guardian lol.

i run mace and shield occasionally with my healing build. mace + focus is extremely strong as well, but i personally prefer the shield for the knockback shield. useful to prevent stomps on your allies. also knock thieves out of stability, and why not tack on knocking people off cliffs.

to me focus feels more “personal” while the shield feels more “group oriented”. different utilities i guess.

check out the youtube channel in Dynnen’s sig for some uses of the shield. ; ))

LOL. u guys are too crazy. i need to find me a Guardian buddy to run with.

keep them vids coming! just checked out the new ones today as well.

have you guys ever tried organized duels?

there are a bunch of great WvW Guards out there as well.
most of them play quite aggressively, very mobile and offer support in various forms

i’ll be right back with the links to their threads ; ))

IncomingRay – one of his latest vids features a triple meditation build, which offers a lot of mobility you can check out
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/PVP-Videos-GS-Hammer-in-group-WvW-with-no-AH/first#post1303162

Amin’s Zealous Defender – crazy dmg and really gotta be on your toes to play a build like this i feel
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/New-1-23-Videos-WvW-DPS-builds/first#post1282315

Zaphiel Faires – shy saway from the staple builds you see floating around ; ))
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Zaphiel-Faires-WvW-Roaming-1-Guardian/first#post1320683

Oozo – lot of fun videos from this guy
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/AD-Guardian-WvW-Movies/first#post1346745

i i agree with Heinel to a certain extent. it’s tough to give up all utilities for weapon skills. so if they do, they really have to be something that is worth the exchange. and balance must be found so they do not compete with the Guardian elites skills – of which two sort of do the same thing.

but interesting nonetheless. hopefully the Spirit Weapons do get reworked in the future.

grats appledainty and [DOLY]!!D haha glad people partook in this and it was a roaring success, like Jayne mentioned.

awwww. that’s a great pic! lol. i demand moooooooore.
looking forward to the video ; ))

and tryptophan, mmmm.

buki.3108:

Shelter doesn’t block AoE. You can also walk through it with Stability. Shelter is kinda terribad for the CD.

hmm are you talking about Sanctuary?

one thing i can think of was did you have any existing conditions that did DoT on you? as the heal only applies after the block ends.

[edit: added info]

there are a few ways to be mobile, namely:

1) Swiftness – Symbol of Swiftness (Staff #3), Retreat (Shout) and Save Yourselves (Shout) and if you trait for boon duration, which you might since you’re into boon giving, you can achieve “perma-swiftness”

2) Leaps – Leap of Faith (Greatsword #3); some even consider Mighty Blow (Hammer #2, also one of our hardest hitting skills) a leap, but it’s range is only 300 so not exactly lol

3) Teleports – Flashing blade (Sword #2) and one of my absolute favorites in WvW is Judge’s Intervention, with 1200 range! (Meditation skill)

so having greatsword and sword/combo would allow you to do something like that. you can port in, do your dmg, and then after you’ve caused your ruckus, you can get back out and help your team to clean stuff up.

side note, another few skills noteworthy that can aid in helping you withstand attacks (apart from our innate ability to survive) or getting back out from the middle of an enemy zerg:

1) Shelter (Heal skill) – heals with a 2 second block

2) Renewed Focus (Elite skill) – 3 seconds of invulnerability while refreshing all of your virtues. know that if you havne’t used all your virtues, you can spam them while your invuln. is channeling to get the most out of it

3) if traited, your Virtue of Justice (F1) can AoE blind, Virtue of Resolve (F2) gives you a small heal and regen, Virtue of Courage (F3) gives you one more block and even stability. so you can see using renewed focus can be pretty strong. while helping your survive an onslaught of focus fire.

and in terms of boons, there are multiple ways to do that. one obviously is via shouts, a lot of self combos and a blast finisher on a short CD helps (might blow) as well as your various consecrations that provide much added utility in WvW.

hopefully other Guards who play a more mobile style can contribute annd correct me if i left out anything.

foofad – you can check out the “healway” Guardian build. gear is pretty much all cleric’s so you’ll get a lot of toughness there. as mentioned, your crit chance is virtuall non-existent. so your best source of dmg would be power. and by no means do you hit softly, and i still notice crits here and there using this build. when you can’t be downed, you’ll definitely outlast your opponents, and be able to take them down.

lookign forward to giving battle presence a shot! and as someone mentioned, now if they’ll fix the other Grandmaster trait! ; ))

i’ve recently put together a build similar to this. and definitely more squishy, but killing a LOT faster. have yet to put together a proper rotation that maximizes my time spent in the presence of an enemy. having shelter and renewed focus along with all virtues available again does help if you do need a few extra seconds to get to the back of your lines and re-group.

same problem with my build, minimal condition removal and trying to find a way around it. : pp

Jayne.9251:

Bavragor.1043:

Had alot of fun taking part in the dolyak parade, big thank you to Jayne for letting me join even when I told her I was from FEAR haha.

Smooch. Thank you for calling your guys off! Was nice to see them run and join in!

BIG BIG thank you to Ellie who organizes this every week. It’s a ton of fun!

really wish i coulda been there!! anyone got any pics or videos?
stuck at work at the mo. : ///

glad it happened!D and sounds like it went “well”? ; ))

great stuff in here everyone! and good seeing some Guardians i look up to coming in here, contributing as well.

itching to play WvW right now just reading this thread.

@Amis – i’ve adopted that recently. kill or be killed. sure, it may not be as “tactical” but if i know i can’t escape, i’m gonna die taking some of them down with me. heh. and a part of me just can’t ever leave anyone behind, even if it means staying behind facing a zerg. : ////

i started off with a mix like that Immolator – cleric’s magi’s and even some soldier’s. jewelry was all cleric’s though. and of course, cleric weapons make a big difference. also, i originally ran water x2, monk x2 and major sanctuary x2 for 40% boon duration but after more testing, i eventually went the route of monk3 and water3. you should be okay as well and at least get the overall feel of the build. and then you can keep working towards cleric’s or keep mixing and matching according to your own tastes.

and in WvW, there’s nothing like following a commander that never goes down. ; ))) i’d surely follow you to the ends of the earth heh.

:OOOO Amins vs Oozo??? please tell me there’s a video of this face-off.

not gonna lie, i spend my lunchtimes at work sifting through you guys’ videos (along with a few other Guards, heh) and easily one of the best times throughout work.

this month sounds super easy.

heh and they brought salvages back! i love salvaging lol

and wow, if Blackwolfe is correct, just 5 dailies?? :///

i actually really enjoyed the WvW kills. heh

here’s just for clarification then. as mentioned above, if i have sigil of accuracy on my MH, do i need a sigil of accuracy in my OH for the full 5%? or does having it in either hand add the full 5%?

and i guess this is sort of a silly question, but do the sigils only take effect when i am actively using that weapon? i.e. if i weapon swap, and my wep with sigil of accuracy is “stowed” (but not in inventory of course), will i still get the benefit of the 5% crit chance?

i only ask because stacks build up and you don’t lose them even if you swap weapons (only on down, travel, logging, etc)

just another note – for the above reasons Chris mentions above, i also use sharpening stones instead of maintenance oils (which is what i usually use since all my other builds are more or less crit focused).

lol makes more sense now. that being said, again, i feel power and toughness are better stats for this build.

though some have mentioned before they play with a mix of some magi’s and worked out okay for them.

i kinda like the new dailies. they’re different each day, so that’s kind of nice. and i don’t mind it at all. WvW has always been the best place for dailies anyways – old and new. lik emany have mentioned. yesterday was the first time i jumped in game since the new patch and went straight into WvW. took two camps + one sentry – 5 vets done, 5 events done, i dodged a bit more than usual to rack up the evades… eventually got all my dodges. then for collecting? it’s always been there. 20 is not hard to find. after your normal WvW sesh. take 5 minutes, and you can get that done. then crafting? they even have crafting stations in WvW. don’t wanna take up a precious spot? again, go back to pve, dont in 5 seconds. sure the coming days may prove more PvE-focused stuff.. but they WILL make certain tasks optional when they introduce the whole you only need 4 out of 6 thing for dailies.

and again, this was more of a PvE update. big WvW coming so who’s to say they won’t throw in more WvW related daily tasks of which players can choose from? ; )) and thus allowing more PvE-centric players to focus on kill varierty or what not.. and WvW can focused more on capping stuff or what have you for the dailies.

@Pigtaro – i like the idea of tiered dailies so the more you invest, the more you get. though you then may see people not focusing on the big picture or main tasks and simply try to non stop flip camps (i.e. giving up camps on purpose may be involved) just to get more laurels.

ANet did mention they would add various ways to achieve laurels (not only through achieving a daily or monthly) through achievement points i think? and you definitely get achievement points for WvW, right? i’m not 100% sure but it seems like it. maybe they can tweak that system to better cater to strictly WvW players.

interesting. so like said, in general if you’re in a party (you + 4), AH could have a SLIGHT edge. and your allies could definitely benefit more from the boons you will be handing out. though again, it’s still up to you ; ))

going forward i will most likely keep switching back and forth. though even my trait setup is different from my AH build vs MF build.

don’t forget to take healing power into account as well. how to strike a good balance between healing, toughness and vitality is another issue.

added: also to take into account are obviously your gear, as well as runes. this could play a huge part in what build you decide to take as well.

good stuff, Heinel. just to add, group composiiton and size can make a huge difference, and the Guardian will definitely find theyir place in such skirmishes. i’ve seen vids and others play with such coordination that the Guard can and will play a pretty crucial role.

just to add, it’s a lot of fun learning combo’s and being able to utilize them in battle. given each class can place certain fields and pop finishers… though with hammer #2 for e.g. it’s on such a short CD, and triggers AoE ____’s, it’s pretty awesome. AoE heals, AoE blinds, AoE might / retal, all good stuff.

the hammer is by far one of my favourite weapons! though the GS comes in a close second. i love being able to banish people in the following two scenarios. 1) when one my allies are being stomped soon, banish. 2) when an enemy tries to res their downed ally, banish.

and just for fun, last night right as i banished someone, another Guard had used binding blades on them, so right before their flying body was coming to a stop, he got pulled right back in. XDDD

in one of your latest vids, do i see you running a a sword?D
do you plan to stick with it?

also, do you have sigil of hydromancy in your shield / mace? i usually watch these on my phone and don’t get HD (yes, yes, i know shame on me) so wasn’t super clear but it seemed like it.

any updates to you build as well? still mixing and matching my gear to try and get to something similar to yours. close with food and oils.

i love playing my Guard in WvW. if IRL time is not an issue, you can play multiple characters in WvW. i knwo plenty who do that : ))) i don’t have a lot of time, but even if i did, i would still exclusively play my Guardian. jsut because i love the class so much and it’s what i’ve grown into.

that being said.. there’s a lot you can but in small to medium scale fights is where i feel i excel personally. pushing lines definitely fun. roaming in small groups (given a zerg train doesn’t catch you) is also very fun. defending i feel i can do a lot more than attacking. so when knocking on doors, if not manning siege, i will prevent more defenders from entering or help boon out those doing the heavy work. even chasing down enemies, with lack of mobility, the CC that we have i feel i actually do decent catching enemies. holding choke points, Guardians are great at.

check out some of the many WvW Guardians on these forums. a lot of them have great videos.
- Chris’ “Healway” Guardian
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Videos-Guardian-Gameplay/first#post1292300
- Amins
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Videos-Guardian-Gameplay/first#post1292300
- Oozo
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/MOVIES-Hammer-Guardian-in-Roaming-WvW/first
- Incominray’s
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/PVP-Videos-GS-Hammer-in-group-WvW-with-no-AH/first#post1303162
- Zaphael Faires’
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Zaphiel-Faires-WvW-Roaming-1-Guardian/first#post1320683
are all my favorites.

in your second post you mention you are the only one benefiting from AH, and that’s true. the core effect of AH is that YOU get heals when you place boons. not you and your allies get heals when you place boons (how OP would that be). the “altruistic” parts comes in the fact that you have more incentive to give out boons, which in turn, can be seen as support. but that’s besides the point. so when you DO feel you’re solo-ing more, you’re just not reaping the FULL benefits of AH as you would if you had allies around. but AH still works.

depending on the situation, and as already mentioned, meditations give burtst heals. AH heals for less but more sustained and a steady stream of it. since they’re both in the same line, why not just switch traits and utilities when you’re in a group? and if you know you’re going to go solo, switch to MF and take all meds?

see, people are reading it, but there IS no black and white answer to your questions. we can all offer insight, but ultimately it’ll be up to the user’s play style and choices. there is no definitive which is better. if there was, i’d say it’d eb – which do you have more fun with?

as i hit 80 and until maybe a month ago, i ran exclusively AH. and the most standard type. i loved it and was shout heavy. and from my experience, i wouldnt’ say AH is useless when you’re roaming solo. i’ve done plenty of content running around with shouts (for e.g. SY is extremely strong solo and can be used for a slight burst as a Guard. why do you think they have to nerf it for sPvP?). if you want to MAXIMIZE, then of course, shouts + AH would be ideal in a group setting. ideally if all your allies were never more than 600 away from you. so if you have a dedicated group to do that with in WvW, by all means, i think AH is a good option.

though at the same time, i’ve been recently meddling with a triple med build and it’s been super fun. lot more mobile and i feel more “reactive” with my utilities as opposed to just popping a shout and let the durations run their course. you have to be on your toes more i feel so it’s a nice change of pace. at the same time, i wouldn’t say it’s not support at all.

is meditations exclusively better when going solo? not necessarily. i’ve done 1v2, 3’s before using an AH build fine. is AH and shouts strictly better when in a group? if you CAN have higher DPS with meditations and are more mobile and can provide more strategic movements, i don’t see how that doesn’t help your group either.

that’s the thing.. when people say support what does it mean? it has a very different meaning in each game. and in gw2 support most definitely = / = strictly healing.

that being said, a lot of Guardian builds out there can be “non-support”, i.e. most utilities and moves only benefit the user himself. but even being able to help take out enemies can count as support, no? and Guardians, usually with their “tankiness”, they are able to do so, protect allies and eassier res them when downed. least from my perspective.

@Alarox – i chose Guardian for a similar reason. and spirit weapons when they were first introduced.. but let’s not go there. : //

please, someone make this ^^^ happen.