Guild Wars 2

Ok you are the best. Pets are mighty and smokescale has no damage difference. And You are right I am a mighty cheater who loves core archer rangers but want them fail miserably to satisfy my weird desires. I am done here, ask what you want. I gave up on my core ranger anyway. It is someone else’s problem now

By the way my test results are way different than yours so I do not know what traits you used. In general its 4x or 5x dmg difference. In paper (wiki) its 10×.

Check wiki. Its 58 vs 675. I have tested with my guildies and ranger is my main. If you swap traitlines it will differ in dmg. But the debate was their raw bite damages so it is way higher. At least it is written in the system. Train bm and you will get 1.5 k crit with smokescale,which has been tested by myself and guildies again.

Please do not attempt to insult people with your bad attitude. I have been playing ranger for a long time and used every pet except smokescale. My guildie and I tested with his char.

And last time; check wiki before insulting.

So the damage is 10x and I am not exaggerrating. If you desire try the pets on golems. Smokescale is way too good than other pets and actually a balance breaker for core players vs HoT players. Next time before blaiming someone for exaggeration or givibg false info, check it yourself and be a man enough to apologize.

But on one thing you are right, all pets should be like Smokescale. It is a pet that all pets should be.

Can you please go to gw2 wiki and compare their bite damage? And write it down here? Then we can discuss “exaggerating” thingy.

Have you seen the damage on smokescale? Have you compared its bite attack with other pets? It is far more powerful than any core pet. Deals ten times more damage than canines. It is far better than it should be ( assuming that anet dislikes rangers) so do not make any more noise. Don’t draw attention.

Timston.1976:

I’m a guard and I wish to heal and protect people, you rangers want to pew pew. Anet gives rangers healing and protecting and guardian pew pew. FML

This is the problem.

Lb ranger is gone guys. Dead. Squished. They took an archer class that desires to be a better aecher and made it a tank/ healer class. Whereas other tank healer class that desires improvement is forced to become an archer class with traps. Fudge logic.

Anet needs a heavy bug fix first. There are many things that are not working or working properly but still there is no fix.

Then they need a balance. Or some core classes will dissappear soon.

Warrior is the hardest class in the game. You have to use environment, your opponent, and weapon sheath perfectly well to function apart from your skills. And you have few skills so your timing must be good. When I am playing my engi I do not suffer from a single problem due to vast number of skills/solutions I have. I have a solution for everything, I can do everything.
But with warrior… I still can not perform well. How good ones do amazes me.

What you say is true, but they already changed many aspects of core professions. And also with the latest patches new and annoying bugs have came in our lives. Before a balance change, a bug fix for many professions should be applied. Because of the bugs we can not really see how powerful a build/class was intended to be.

Devs think only in numbers I guess. But there is a huge difference in theory and practice in this game. Many aspects are not working properly due to bugs. So that hampers the power lvl. As a result there is a huge imbalance. What we need is a “total” bug fix.

Elite specs are more powerful than core specs. What you are talking about is player’s skill level. Not profession’s/ elite’s skill level.

One is blind, other is deaf. Both classes need some adjustments. Warrior is purely “weak”, thief is based on your opponents lucky skill usage. Smart thief can still do something. Smart warrior can still run. But on an even skill field, warrior has no chance. Thief has %50 (purely luck with some excellent fps and net connection, lag=die)

So, instead of fighting, why don’t you both try the other’s class and comment on possible adjustments?

DH is the least of the problems in pvp. Just wait for a week or two. Other issues will be realized and then people will become really furious.

I think this unbalance think is workin in the favor of anet. SO many of us are bored to the limit with our main’s bugs. I used to play ranger until this latest patch. But when I saw that there was not a single decent bug fix for our profession, I gave up. I have a warrior now ( kitten thing is worse than a ranger I know, but still I will choose archery when I can find it).

There are many players lvling new chars. Strong ones especially. That means money, that means new slots, new transmutation charges, new items.

And also I think Anet needs to find better devs. With every patch we have a server crash, client crash, map bug, skill bug…etc. Do they test these patches with bloody gorillas?

But it has been too long. So in two weeks Anet will start to lose some players I guess.

Try both, decide yourself. My vote is for warrior. Thieves can outsmart/outplay depending on the player. Warrior’s skills are not “enough” and you can easily escape. Try both, do pvp, wvw. See for yourself.

There are beautiful thief builds combined with daredevil and they deal a mighty amount of damage. But it breakes my heart to see that the “cunning thief’s” fall to the pits of “one shot one kill” after last big balance.

Aylpse.6280:

My reason for picking Thief is I like trickster-like Rogues in RPGs after Rangers, Clerics and Cultists. Daredevil fits the bill, but I see that was a mistake.

My point still stands there is almost no place to practice outside of private arenas and even there its going to be difficult.

I made the same mistake long ago. This game gave profession names not by their full archetype but for some part of it.

If you like tricksters engineer is the class for you. Not thief. Thief is kill or be killed in 4 secs nowadays. No decent tricks.

Fireball is perfect! You are holsing a cat and cat pees with pressure to your opponents face looks funny and cute

I have played every core class and I have learned that few skills to use means harder way to play. As an engi and ele lover I feel they are much more easier than a warrior. Warrior only has few skills and can not function under some circumstances. Whereas with engi you can survive anything and adjust to anything if you play smart.

Thieves were not that bad until new elite skills arrived. They can now deal an immense damage. But they became one trick ponies and lost their beautiful playstyle. Some still enjoy and use them. Some just gave up. Like core lb rangers gave up.

1 new healing skill, 3 slot skills, 1 new elite, new pets, new mechanic (astral force), new weapon and a new traitline. This can change a class entirely friend.

Core ranger’s bugs are effecting the gameplay. However with druid you can find a new and an effective way to play. There is a HUGE difference. And I am not even mentioning the projectile reflects added to the game.

Thank you guys. I am especially love using the environment (for the obstruction) and know your enemy part is a must for me (except revenant.). And I use the editor all the time. But I did those without giving enough importance. All the info you gave is really helpful.

I already have an archer build (a meh one) but it is not a must for me to use bow all the time.

This is the most helpful forum part by the way.

Hi there. I am currently lvling my warrior, and I want some advice, except “omg quit warr, it sucks now, don lvl warr…etc” is there someone that can give me some advice on builds, sets etc with wvw and pvp?

I have played every core class (except revenant) and I wanted to try warrior. It seems he is a very difficult class to play, with so few tools to work (some of the tools does not work as it seems). I usually enjoy engi or ele since they destroyed the core ranger. I have a thing for bows and arrows so I desire a class that “can” (not strictly “will”) use it.

Although i like power builds and bow-gs-rifle trio, I desire to learn some tricks from you guys. What do you think in this very hard times a warrior can survive with? I have no HoT, and will not get it until I see an elite that I desire. So I am limited with core options for warrior.

And last but not least, please only give advice on builds, playing tricks, different combos or things to be aware of (There can always be something new to learn, no mater how much I play-ed). And no “warr sucks, do not play, roll guard/revenant…etc” please.

Have you counted the ranger bugs? They will not do anything about ranger I guess. And with all these reflections it is too easy to disable lb.

ps: druid is a different thing than ranger. Druid might be good, but it is not ranger players wanted. They wanted a chocolate cake, anet gave them a half eaten cookie with tanking abilities.

Same here. Me, my wife and 3 of my guildies (different regions) had their game crashed 2-3 times after the update. And cpu usage seems at %94 when only gw2 is running, which is abnormal.

All these bugs, most of them are game breaking, and no answer from someone? And this game is trying to be an e-sport?

I think core rangers need some love too. Lb gs ranger is utterly crap nowadays.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Yasha.5963:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

SlayerSixx.5763:

Kosard.9720:

does 8,000 damage for getting hit by one ability seem fair? i rest my case.

100b, rapid fire, melee mind wrack, back stab, unload, grave digger are among only a few skills that can hit that much, if not more.

My warrior, with your average zerk build, can hit 17k on his 100b (burn stun breaks and hit 50% HP and its insta GG). My thief can land 10-12k unloads. BP > HS+steal with procs is over 10k as well. My guard can whirl for almost 9k (a lot more of I throw in SoW).

You can argue everything else like how it covers the entire point, how they burn your dodges using LB2 and then daze you with traps so you can’t use your utilities and get eaten up all while fighting from 1200 range or how they have an kitten of CC, but let’s not cry about damage here like they’re the only ones that can burst.

What? 100b takes a huge effort to set up the attack properly and most of the times it doesn’t land all 8 strikes on the intended foe. 100b channel is actually 3.5 second long and with 8 separate strikes while traps’ are instant. How on earth did you compare the two?

Seriously bro, you need to L2P. 100b is instant cast hits everyone in a 240 radius applies an aoe daze, and gives stability, aegis, swiftness, blindness, vulnerability. It can also be easily set up using the warrior’s teleport ability.

But its not OP, because the daze is applied before the damage which gives you time to dodge out of the way.

I need to L2P? Since when does 100b apply CC and all those boons and conditions? O_o
C’mon, I’m missing something here >.<

Sarcasm I presume

That is why I started to play (no HoT only core) staff cele ele or engi with mortar elite. Especially with engi + mortar + long range it is pure fun. But DH is an imbalanced class forspvp, where you have to fight on a small point, and dodging out means you lose points.

Seasons don’t fear the reaper. Nor do the wind, sun or the rain. We can be like they are. Outside spvp where balance is not an issue.

You might be right. I have always played ele for support but some time ago I created an engineer for fun. I hate steampunk, never liked machines, and really dislike potions. I still do. But…
The bloody class is perfect for me! It can do everything! I can support when it is necessary, debuff, or even deal good amount of damage. I can hold my own in pvp (still not fast enough with engi though) but I excel when I am with a good team and a support build.
Especially in wvw, mortar + elixir gun I can really make a difference in both dmg/debuff and support. But it needs much concentration and finger-killing button dancing. (Ele feels simple and easy now. I still use my Ele and Ranger)

I still hate the steampunk. Dislike machine-like features. I even do not like potins that much. But still can not quit playing this kitten class, even with all the bugs and imbalances. Why? Because like our friend said, it is about a certain mindset.

Weapon swap might be an idea. Good or bad, I can not decide but it is an idea. However it is not an idea with priority.

What engineer class needs is so simple, so certain, so solid: “CLASS WITHOUT BUGS!”

After all the bugs are fixed, we can see what this class truly can do. Then we can decide if it really lacks weapon swap or not.

Time of the longbow ranger is over. Lb can be your second weapon with quick draw trait but pure lb builds are not very useful for above average opponents.

But good thing is that with quick draw and good timing you can get a great deal of damage with gs and lb. I tend to use gs/ sword+axe in pvp for projectile reflect, dodges and kiting potential. Also axe 4 can rip an opponent from his comfy zone.
Shouts are not as bad as they used to be nowadays. Especially with traits. But I tend to use wilderness survival for condi removal, short cd and fury. Combined with bm (bonus to two handed) it becomes a really fun to play melee ranger build.
For DH or some other bunker I use gs/ axe axe or gs/lb (not very effective as it used to be though, every bunker has some form of projectile hate)

Ranged damage is problematic nowadays. It is way too easy to reflect. And if you plan smartly, you can destroy a lb ranger with reflect skill.

Ps: I do not have HoT so my opinions on my build is based on core ranger. I pvp a lot an wvw a lot. My play style is not the best one though. Hope I could at least start a good share for other rangers

Really? Diamond skin? Among all the balance and elite opness issues your problem is diamond skin? Just deal 1.3k damage and it will be gone. It is a wasted talent and as an ele player I find it extremely useless against very talented players or the insane amount of dmg / cc combination nowadays.

I was very excited when they first announced DH. I was hoping for a ranged class without an emblem of stupidity called pets. And I always thought guardians f skills were the best in game. Then Anet attacked.

What you guys have as a DH is not an archer/ranged class. Longbow sucks. DH is a trap pooping magical diarrhea master of shiny swords. And I am really surprised that no one is bothered with this fact. Maybe it is just me.

DH longbow is bad. But this game really dislikes ranged projectiles, there are tons of reflects.

SlayerSixx.5763:

Kosard.9720:

does 8,000 damage for getting hit by one ability seem fair? i rest my case.

100b, rapid fire, melee mind wrack, back stab, unload, grave digger are among only a few skills that can hit that much, if not more.

My warrior, with your average zerk build, can hit 17k on his 100b (burn stun breaks and hit 50% HP and its insta GG). My thief can land 10-12k unloads. BP > HS+steal with procs is over 10k as well. My guard can whirl for almost 9k (a lot more of I throw in SoW).

You can argue everything else like how it covers the entire point, how they burn your dodges using LB2 and then daze you with traps so you can’t use your utilities and get eaten up all while fighting from 1200 range or how they have an kitten of CC, but let’s not cry about damage here like they’re the only ones that can burst.

We had a test four days before and 100b can hit 8.2 k average (if your opponent stays still/ without all the signets and elite). But ranger’s longbow can only deal an average of 6.2 k dmg. Only with all utility skills and elite it can go up to 8.3 k, and this is only if your opponent forgets how to dodge during that bloody channel. And if your opponent has no reflection, which is impossible because every kitten profession in this game has reflection. Then you are forced to wait for your skills CD.

Please do not give information that is based on your old experience (before the latest patch). As a micro-management lover we always test builds and their effectivity. Best way to learn is to test it with at least three people.

By the way ranger’ (core rangers) longbow build sucks now.

Mesmers can one shot “zerkers” without any problem with immense shatter. But luckily we have marauders.

Mobility and the new skills of the chronomancer are not included.

Yep, core classes are in a very bad place now. There should be a patch for balance.

If the range indicates 1200, it is actually 1500 (I call this “click range”). It requires you to click auto attack for every hit but you can reach far. It applies to every ranged weapon in the game. Imagine that there is a silent +300 range buff.

In Eternal Battlegrounds, especially in Stone Mist, some rangers experience an odd obstructed bug when the opponent and ranger is on the same wall, or on the ramp inside SM. I have tested that myself and there are some places without any visual obstruct that prevents hitting your enemy with longbow.

And also I have sent a ticket but there is some problem with pierce. It does not pierce 5 (never more than 3) opponents.

Warrior’s rifle and Ranger’s lb can pierce keep walls and attack an enemy if you are at the correct angle. (But can not hit 4 enemies that are lined up. Funny )

Friend,

I do not now what game are you playing, or with which opponents. But lb is a not a smart choice for a main weapon with all these reflects. I love ranger ( especially longbow) and know every dirty trick. But when I encounter a ranger while playing a different profession, I kill it without breaking a sweat. There are too many problems with “core” ranger.

And I am talking about the core ranger, not with HoT skills and abilities. Please test it before defending this.

Choosing a different character and going on with that. Sadly, so many core professions and warriors are doing that right now.

Rangers ranged dps sucks. My main is a ranger and LB is the worst weapon you can have in pvp apart from shortbow maybe. GS + sword/axe (or warhorn) is way better at dps. And you will have a black hole of stupidity called “pet”, which is unable to find his own bottom.

However quick draw talent + melee weapon combos are quite nice. Druid has some cool stuff but I lack HoT so can not say about that. Nevertheless if you want to play ranger, let me warn you; it is neither strong, nor helpful. And there should be a lot of fixes before a ranger can enter competitive spvp freely.

As an archery fan, I can say that this game lacks a proper archer.

I used to think DH was powerful. Than I used my medi guardian and said “lol”. Then I used my ele and said “oh that is sad”. Then I used my warrior and got my kitten kicked. (I suck at warr)

Lb is really sad. If you push or burst enough, dh needs to swap. I do not have HoT so no idea on possible skills. But traps are not that godlike.

DH should have better longbow skills and lesser trap damage.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

alain.1659:

Ok then life-force would not give you a second life bar, only a chance to use your burst skill.

Life-force is way more powerful than a pesky little thing called adrenaline. What I do not understand is why would anyone complain about life force. It works fine, it is powerful. With the insane chill damage necros are on the board again. And it is pretty easy to generate life force.

You are a bloody master of the dead and undead, act like it.

Last I checked, a Warrior is not totally reliant on adrenaline for defense.

Correct. But neither necro. Have a tanky build an voila! You can survive. Lf is a big big big bonus to that. And for my opinion necro and especially reaper is way more dangerous than warrior.

Ok then life-force would not give you a second life bar, only a chance to use your burst skill.

Life-force is way more powerful than a pesky little thing called adrenaline. What I do not understand is why would anyone complain about life force. It works fine, it is powerful. With the insane chill damage necros are on the board again. And it is pretty easy to generate life force.

You are a bloody master of the dead and undead, act like it.

I would buy HoT in an instant if Anet;

-Fixed the bug about ranger pet names (it’s been there for 3 years. Any programmers?)
-Fixed the ranger pets (they still suck so much)
- Gave a crap about “core” rangers and archery archetype

I already paid 60 bucks for the GW2. And I still suffer many bugs. So it is very logical for me to not to trust them.

Someone said rapid fire? The one that can be countered by every profession twice, just for lulz? Rangers ( core ranger class, not druid) needs a buff. Or at least some talent or skill to pierce reflects. There are zillions of reflects in the game. And I admit, ranger sucks.

Reaper chills will be a problem. Now no one have realized the chill entirely. DH is just a wannabe archer, and it really is not that good. (I don’t have HoT but I dueled many). Thief’s will be a real pain in the butt with their evades and invis, I expect a complain burst about them in a week (although they seem to be ok).

Engineer is very strong. But engineers were always good. So nothing changed.

Ele’s will be a problem too with druids. But again depends on the player.

Ranger pets will be eating their own poop, and I expect Anet to give their poop more stink in a week.

Best (and the cheapest) way to counter dragon hunter-ed team is to have one LB ranger (yes i am not joking), one sustainable class with invul utilities, and one good burst-damage class. Most dragon hunters are not well skilled with their classes so this will be enough (at least it was enough for my sake)

But for really skilled dragon hunters you will need some HoT professions.

DH is imbalanced. They are not invincible, and some core professions (dont know about HoT ones) can counter them with a little skill. But no single class should have a distinctive upper hand in spvp. DH’s advantage is far more greater than other classes when it comes to hold or take a point.