Guild Wars 2

You are those who do not understand mate. You still think that it is about the money. No it is not. We still buy gems and support the core game. You wish to assault with words, not to understand. Therefore it is not possible for us to communicate properly.

Lol. Still nobody understands the real problem except few, and others are getting their ego boosted so much that they do not care.

By the way, to those who defend “but everyone doing it so it must be right and normal” without any other sprinkle of idea; you are what is wrong in this world.

Thief needs 1200 range on shortbow. Not with all skills but at least with auto attack. Sb 2 is not as good as it should be. Sb 4 is ok, sb 5 is dreamy but costy. In my opinion thief needs a proper range weapon as I have always been a fan of Prince of Thieves, a.k.a. Robin Hood.

As a player who only plays wvw, I would be really furious if I had to wait for 2.5 hours to play. I do not have that much time, I come home, do the chores, play for 2(ish) hours and go to bed to be able to wake up to go to work next day. I never had that much que, due to my server. But I feel sympathy for those who feel furious.

We are so deep in power creep that only way to balance the pvp is a total rework of all professions. One or two skill/trait changes are not going to fix it. I guess drastic measures must be taken in order to provide a basis of a balance. Then, we can build new ideas on it. But not until we have a solid foundation.

Wolfey.3407:

alain.1659:

You guys are just arguing for nothing. Elite specs are buy to win. Yes they are stronger, so not deny it. Oh some of you will say “but i own ….. elite spec with my vanilla…”. But that is solely a failure of your opponent.

Elite specs are stronger. Game is buy to win. No problems. This is not e-sports. This is an e-sport club at most, where the distinguished have more privilege. This came can not be an e-sport with current system and balance (including elite vs vanilla).

Yes Anet is a company, and it is not right for it to demand money from us. Especially if we bought the game 8 months before the patch. Oh all the mmos do it? Well they are wrong too. Multitude does not make something right. But you are free to leave. Or accept that there is no equality. And there will never be. Anet is not the family you have been longing for. It is a bloody company that aims to profit.

I do not have HoT. And will not have until the mentality of anet changes. I neber wanted a druid on my ranger, or a dh on my guardian. Or another melee dps on my thief. And still we have several bugs and balance fixes that are needed. Until then I will not spend a single dollar for a game that demands 50 bucks again after 8 months. If I wanted to pay that, I would play WoW.

So do not bother arguing. And do not think that Anet is your friend. Other players will support anet because they gain something too. Upgrade, buy the expansion…etc. Stop playing pvp. No one can force you to play. If you are not happy, just dont play. I dont. My guild dont. My friends dont.

What?
3 Years > 8 months
2012-2015

Rest of your post has valid info and arguments though

Friend, after I bought the game, just 8 months later there was this new expansion for me and my friends. That is why I said 8 months because for us it was really is. For older players situation is different, I know that. But I have 9 friends that are in the same situation as me. I only meant that

I want thief to be a true rogue actually. A jack of all trades with clever tricks and several different ways to apply them. I dislike the play style of " stabby McMurderstabson". Thieves are unable to hide properly actually, for me anyway. I like Robin Hoodesque thieves/rogues with a decent bow (longbow. Robin Hood was a rogue/thief you know).

But I respect OP’s desire too. That was what I thought Anet would bring with new elite system; a chance to play the role/character differently.

You guys are just arguing for nothing. Elite specs are buy to win. Yes they are stronger, so not deny it. Oh some of you will say “but i own ….. elite spec with my vanilla…”. But that is solely a failure of your opponent.

Elite specs are stronger. Game is buy to win. No problems. This is not e-sports. This is an e-sport club at most, where the distinguished have more privilege. This came can not be an e-sport with current system and balance (including elite vs vanilla).

Yes Anet is a company, and it is not right for it to demand money from us. Especially if we bought the game 8 months before the patch. Oh all the mmos do it? Well they are wrong too. Multitude does not make something right. But you are free to leave. Or accept that there is no equality. And there will never be. Anet is not the family you have been longing for. It is a bloody company that aims to profit.

I do not have HoT. And will not have until the mentality of anet changes. I neber wanted a druid on my ranger, or a dh on my guardian. Or another melee dps on my thief. And still we have several bugs and balance fixes that are needed. Until then I will not spend a single dollar for a game that demands 50 bucks again after 8 months. If I wanted to pay that, I would play WoW.

So do not bother arguing. And do not think that Anet is your friend. Other players will support anet because they gain something too. Upgrade, buy the expansion…etc. Stop playing pvp. No one can force you to play. If you are not happy, just dont play. I dont. My guild dont. My friends dont.

Without a piercing / bouncing trait, p/p can never be “that” good for my taste (for wvw). I really miss my cowboy thief. With everyone having new role options, I think thief needs one too.

Pvp or wvw?
Elite traited or vanilla?

These are the important questions. Although d/p + p/p can barely work as well kitten in wvw, I have no idea about elite spec. Our pistols are completely boring right now. Richocet gone, no pierce, 900 range… Sad state of a once loved concept.

It was not such a problem before. But with the power creep, guardians’s ability to guard is diminished entirely. It can not even protect itself anymore.

Mundane guys in this game (engineers) can poop turrets from their tushies. So do not bother yourselves with rationalizaton that much. Decorum is already unstable.

Without richocet it is not the same. I loved p/p even with its potato range. Miss it.

Inflict confusion when using glamour skills… My dream trait from last year. Loved it, hugged it, never wanted to let it go.

PU is not problematic. PU + Chrono is problematic. Core mesmer needs PU to survive. And I like the randomness of PU. I was playing PU when everyone said condi mesmer was not working and utter garbage. Condi rework made PU a lot more dangerous. And Elite spec made PU one of the best traits ever.

As a PU lover I need to ask one question; “How in the holy turtle’s green grass can we hide better than thieves?” Our invis is too much for my taste. It should be less than a thief, more than an engineer/ranger. And being forced to play only with clones bugs me. We used to have more options.

But I am totaly with you on glamour thing. That rocks.

If you play it like a thief, rush in, kill, rush out (tricky part is rushing out with all these cc spam), it can work in wvw. Yet it is dangerous and less rewarding then other builds I might say. And this is only for small scale roaming.

Sadly game is having small problems with balance issues. But that is nothing new for you I guess

Core guardian needs the speed buff without any sacrifices. DH needs the speed buff but should trade something for it. Or to even the fields, they should give guardian something like blink (core mesmer style). Low hp pool, inability to run, millions of condi pressure. These are not the very best combination for a guardian in my taste.

On the other hand guardian is way more mobile than a necro. There is a thin line for balance. I think the problem is other classes having too much, not guardian having less.

I log in, I adjust my inventory, I press “B” and go to the EB. After an hour or two, I leave. Rinse and repeat. I haven’t been played a pvp match for a long time, and I will not. Most of my guild and friends are just like me. We used to play pvp for 3-4 hours a day at least.

-Poor balance between elite/vanilla/classes/skills…etc is the most important element in this problem. Anet should do a major rework on utility skills, weapon damages/times, “F skills”. And remaining bugs should be fixed.

-We should be able to communicate with GM’s / Dev’s. Most of the time we do not get an answer about a bug report/ problem or any other thing.

-Anet must listen to its own community. Hear what players want. DO NOT give them what you think proper/good. Ask players, go to profession forums, see what people desire for their professions. ( DH as a class or removing richochet from pistols-for thieves- are good examples for this.) There are really good ideas in the forums.

-And especially for pvp, Anet must do something about leaving/afk problem.

It is an op idea I think. Can only be applied if mesmer loses every stun and daze she has. But that will fudge us more so blockable it is

I wish they would bring back some glamour buildish thing to give. esmers a steady role in wvw.

“100b reflect missiles”

That would be awesome.

Thank you guys. You made my night. Laughter is really the best medicine.

Mechanically warrior sucks nowadays. There is no speciality in it except banners, and they are not “that” useful. I think Anet can not find a way to make warriors useful without giving them too much. I was hoping a miracle, like stances becoming F skills, or stance and banner cd’s shortening traits.

EremiteAngel.9765:

i think you guys need to consider that its not just simply Anet admitting that the change was not well accepted (if true).
You could possibly end up costing someone’s job…
Are you going to make someone get fired?

What do you do when a restaurant serves you “bad” food? Or a doctor treats you wrong? Or someone sells you a malfunctioning product? Do you accept a broken computer just like that?

What you are talking about is childish. I feel you are either naive, or less accumulated in years of your life. I paid money for this game. I spent my hours. So it is my RIGHT to expect what I (and many many many others) desire. Do you even log into WvW? Because in my server, nobody likes the new maps.

If the PR team and designing team did their job right, this map problem would not exist. It is their “job”, and they have the resources. So they should fix this problem. It is their job to fix it. But since some problems are beyond fixing, they should return to old borderlands. (in my opinion).

Once a company named Blizzard ripped people off with expansions. Years later people thought this was “normal” and “correct”. There is a huge distance between what is happenning, and what should.

By the way as I have said in another topic, this game will fall not because of expansions, balance or any other issue. It will fall because of small, minor bugs that have been experienced too long by the players. It makes Anet seem highly unprofessional and uncaring. So this game will fall step by step. Whenever a ranger looks at her pet name, this game loses confidence. Step. By. Step.

This game is not dead. It will die sooner than devs think I guess, but not from balance, pvp or anything else. It will die from the simplest bugs. Still there are bugs that imply the unprofessionality of Anet. Still we experience same issues. Still a patch gets fixed at least three times. These will kill this game, not balance. Every game have balance issues, it is normal in MMO’s. But I have never seen such simple yet annoying bugs not getting fixed after months and months (even years). These are simple, yet makes a player feel that Anet is not competent. It feels they are not professionals. Most of my friends tried the game, and said the same thing; “You have these bugs for that long? But these are simple problems?”.

This is how this game will go down, if Anet does not act in haste, simply and quietly.

Please no more pve/objects/capture/lick/kick/smell vb in wvw. It is already a tacticless blobtrainfest. An it is losing players fast. Game is losing players fast.

Anet never makes a proper balance patch in just one “patch”. They do it step by step, and if we are lucky, in the end, we get something balance-ish. If we are not, we get S1 after HoT release. I still wonder how did they miss the important points that needed balance, and focused on just +- power. There are skills/traits/ utilities that should’ve been reworked. Not buffed. Reworked.

Crinn.7864:

aktharr.2389:

OH MY GOSH GUYS YOU ARENT LISTENING. Pay-To-Win was just a title thing i came up with because i thought in some aspect it was.

WHAT I really was trying to say was they need to balance the powers of the expansion players and the powers of regular player by either boosting or nerfing some of the classes

Expansion players are regular players. People without expansion are f2p, and f2p simply don’t have a large representation in sPvP. Moreover most f2p are going to playing at low mmr where the power difference between core and elite is completely hidden by the general lack of skill.

Dear oblivious friend;

Me and my friends bought this bloody game roughly one year ago with a good sum of money. It was neither cheap nor free. And now we do not have HoT and our mmr is not “that” low as you claim. Not all core players are f2p. Anet decided that more money is needed so they made an kitten expansion without even fixing the bugs in original game. They even took our access for our many guild services with the expansion. Their new specs are bad, balance is terrible and there are many bugs in the game still.

I am very happy for you who “loved” this expansion. I wish we loved that too. there is not a single thing I desire in HoT as a wvw and pvp player. We were going to buy it after it came out, But as we saw how Anet treated their core players, we decided not to waste money (as we all work hard to earn those bucks, like many of you do). We like this game but if it goes like this, this game will fade away like many others before it.

Lack of great axe/ two handed axes is disturbing in this game. They should have added it from the beginning. There is a bloody race that should have been using it, Norns

I object to the Arcane Thievery. Mesmers have the most powerful condi cleanse in the game and they should not be given more.

When you apply several conditions to a mesmer you can only keep those on her for a short amount of time. Then she uses her condi removal: dying! Poof! All the conditions are cleansed. That is not fair. Here you try to apply conditions on her, and she goes and dies on you. “Uncool” bro.

Pay to win is a term that has been used for different things in different games. In gw2, it should be called buy2win. You have to buy the expansion if you want to gain an advantage over others, or prevent others to gain an advantage on you. Frankly, I do not own HoT, and never will. There is nothing I desire in that content, new specs are dislikeable for my taste (maybe new ones will come someday, than I may buy it.)

There is a huge balance issue in the game right now, which will be solved (Anet claims) with tomorrow’s patch. As for f2p accounts, I bought this game 1.2 year ago. It was neither free nor cheap. So not every non-HoT player is using free accounts.

And about the expansion thing, yes expansions cost money. That is why firms like Blizzard tend to produce so many, and force it upon players. But again, if I wanted to play a game similar to WoW, I would continue playing WoW. It can be applied to other games. Guild Wars was a unique game.

Let us wait for tomorrow’s patch again, for Anet to crush our hopes and dreams about balance, again.

“We’re in a game where the best archers are donning heavy armor and the tankiest classes are in cloth.”

I always say this to my friends. This is the main problem.

It is not a big buff. I would prefer to apply some good condition with 3rd aa. And corrupt boon change is considered as a buff but it is a nerf actually.

Yes you are right. You need elites to counte elites. That is the wrong issue here. Also, everyone can agree that herald and revenant are “slightly” imbalanced, can perform vay better than a warrior in every field, maybe better than other professions too. So compared to other professions, revenant and herald are a little too “much” in every area.

Your argument was based on the “elite” understanding, and the possibility of countering every “op (claimed)” build. But please dear friend, use core professions to counter that builds. Can you? Well in some cases you have near to no chance. In some cases there is a possibility (only core signet necro remains powerful). So there should be a balance. Or you can play this game with fewer people, using all elite’s, complaining why the wvw is empty or why there are no zerg fights anymore. Because it is not about buying HoT requirement that angers most of us. It is the lack of diversity, and shift in our favourite roles/profession abilities. And also, the lack of “balance”.

Even with f2p accounts, Anet is losing players.

ps: I thank you for your kind, and straight answer by the way. Arguing properly is something very dear to me, and you provided your opinions properly.

I love when people think core players are f2p. I paid for this bloody game. It was neither cheap nor free when I got it, and it was only a year ago. Then they do this cheap HoT trick. And they do it without any good elite specs that we want(ed) ( at least most of the players I know of). And they say that to be powerful you should buy expansion.

Dude if I wanted a game like WoW, I would continue to play WoW.

Norbe.7630:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elite

just think of Elites as the “Heroes” on a Real Time Strategy Game, and the Normal Class as the “Units” and there problem solved.

That is the worst argument I have ever read in this wvw section. Every area has its own terms. Anet explained what the word “ELITE” meant when they first introduced the idea; not stronger but just different type of build. In every job there are specific terms that are used for specific reasons. So your explanation from a dictionary-like place does mean nothing. In this games term Elite (that was how Anet, who builded the idea around that word explained/created the meaning in the first place) does not mean “Heroic” figure. If you want more information, you can use uncle google about figures of speech, literary devices, terms and meanings.

As for your comment about balance, you are both right and wrong. There is a “nerf hammer” reflex on MMO players, that is correct. But after careful testing, and experience, I can honestly concur that Herald, and Revenant needs to be nerfed. Actually it needs a role, without stealing any from warrior and thief. Or we should just assign new roles for warrior and thief (which would be an insult to players of these professions, who invested their time for that specific role). And if a class does everything better than another class, it is not fair. Everyone who played against Herald or some builds or Rev thinks that they need some adjustment. So in this situation " bad MMO player" mentality can not be mentioned. I advise you to play with every profession, with every build and see the balance for yourself. Long and tedious it is, but fruitful. And will keep your adrenaline/anger at high levels.

tl;dr: Even Rythlock rerolled.

Heh everyone thinks that necro scepter will be op. They will be surprised.

Longbow needs a little rework, range mostly. Sword is fine… rifle needs a rework and they will give that. Lets wait for the patch and discuss after that. Maybe all these will be better

Martyr.1920:

Rezok.2709:

Joshhh.2076:

Knowingly (key word) interrupting a duel doesn’t prove anything, it doesn’t make you better, or cooler, and it doesn’t really help your server.

Thing is (speaking for myself at least) – being cool, better or helping the server isn’t why I do it. I simply find it entertaining to attack enemies. Under all circumstances. And I play the game for my own entertainment.

People duel for the same reasons, they like challenging duels where they can gain experience and improve from fights, losing an ordinary fight means you have to walk all the way back and you probably won’t find whoever beat you, going to OS means you won’t be able to continue what you were doing before you started dueling and other people won’t know you are dueling so they won’t join in.

In my server zergs are polite enough to ignore duels and we let people like OP die if they feel like interrupting people.

Like I said in my previous post, there are a lot of instances that can (and did for my experience) be harmful if you let pvpers alone. I personally suffered several times from them. They usually go and backstab anyone they can find, interrupt other duels, attack a zerg from behind and slay the casters while they are having their duels (saw this example soooo many times). So now I have a solid reason to slay any “red” I encounter. Otherwise it is me or my friends.

If you want to have a duel, get your tushies to obsidian sanctum. Or join in a private area. If you can not do all these, at least find a secluded corner and have your duel there. Not in front of the SM.

It is warrior sometimes. And it is you in others. I feel nervous when I know that my endure pain could get bugged. Warriors have a lot of weaknesses and problems but they are not total losers either. You need to play carefully, outsmart your opponent and run from them if you can sometimes. It is not easy to play warrior nowadays.

And then there are revenants…

Most of the elite specs are way superior than their core counterparts. Anet will/must balance them according to their own promises. It was them who said elite’s were not op skill additions but just different choices with the same power lvl.

You are sad because Anet sold their game with some promises. And now they are taking them away. They should not have given them in the first place. There should not have been a big balance patch about HoT and elites. Everything should be (not perfect but) working and balanced. That is how you sell an expansion pack that costs as much as the original game.

You have every right as a customer to be unhappy. Your feelings are not about game balance or something else, but about a simple promise that is not kept.

ps: this does not change the fact that some of the elite specs are way overpowered, and unjust to other customers.

It is not overpowered. There is a crazy boonspam in this game. Now Anet is trying to balance it with boon corruption. But it is not right for my opinion. Because there is also another problem; condi spam.

Most of the elite specs and core traits should be rewritten. But I do not think that Anet would do such a thing. So scepter would corrupt boon (I would prefer the old scepter, where you could use your third attack even if the opponent has no boons.)

Well engi has 1500 range for his mortar (with several fields) so his grenade range is ok. It would his unique mid-range style by the way.

I always thought rifles (both engi and warrior) should have more range. At least there should be a trait for that. They might even give warrior’s lb 1500 range I do not care. He was supposed to be the master of weapons and combat, but it seems he is the master of bread crust.

I used to respect duels. But now whenever I see an enemy, I try to kill her. Before, when you wanted to watch a duel, you could. Now duelers try to kill you, other friends attack you, when you are in a large fight they sneak behind you and kill you…etc. I am talking about the people who are in a 1vs1, and whom you respected and left alone. This happened more than 20 times (maybe my opponent/servers are just tushyholes dunno)

I have seen so many examples. If you are dueling in a public place, you have no right to say " omg noob we r dueling…etc". Go find some place else. Or go Obsidian Sanctum if you want to duel so much. It is not that hard.

It should be 1500, at least the killshot range should. But I would not say no to 1500 range for all skills in rifle (ranged ones).

But I doubt anet would do this change.

Thank you op for kindly changing the title.

You were not killed by a “Warrior”. You were killed by a “Berserker”, an elite spec. Please specify this difference. Core warrior suffers enough already.

Meh this shoukd not even be an issue. If a player runs away when he is defeated, I and she/he knows that I defeated him. And he, like a pathetic snotty little thing, ran away. He knows it. I am perfectly happy about this fact. He can not escape from himself. He cares and uses dirty tricks. Just laugh and move on. Your opponent probably got an ego scar and did that.

Well I just like my warrior and want to play it. I do not have HoT so killshot should suffice But after your help, I studied more carefully and saw my problem. While gunflames projectile effect is “wider”, killshot’s effect is narrower it seems. And yes it is better in ever way. I like playing killshot, it feels fun for me.

Thank you for your help friends

In 1v1 I can hold myself vs some. But my problem is with zerg. My killshot seems to vanish in thin air sometimes or does not properly pierce ( I have the trait). Maybe I nees more practice with it dunno.

Thanks for the answer