Guild Wars 2

Nice to see you post a vid again harley, can’t wait to roam with you again

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/profile/pastBroadcasts

so many players in here who need to l2p, I fail to understand how a stealth stomp > stability stomp, invuln stomp, … .
If the player is in stealth casting his stomp, your friends can still CC and interrupt him. If it’s 1v1, then you already lost no matter what, stealth stomp or not.
When an ele stomps you in mist form, there’s nothing that will stop him unless you get rezzed, stealthed(!!!) or port away. Same with stability stomp unless you can boonrip and interrupt him in time.

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

azerte.4365:

As someone who runs a diamond skin ele, I agree with most people in the terms of that it should be changed because of the passive gameplay. The boon converter idea above looks really nice, but until the mindless 12345 condibunker necros and engis get a nerf, this trait should stay as it is. Once the other 2 get shaved down, they are free to change the trait in whatever way anet feels like.

This shows how entirely ill informed this post is;
All necro bleeds have been reduced to 2. No weapon/skill does more than 2 bleeds.
Fear has been nerfed
Poison duration shortened.

All other conditions they cast are from returning conditions back to their original caster or new target/or they’re the targets own boons corrupted.

All other conditions don’t do damage.

The only possible shave would be reduce necro bleeds to a single stack. The 6 stacks of bleed come from AA x3 +scepter+dagger (all of which are required to hit.) and can’t have their recharges reduced.

Maybe necro is not so heavily the case although I still see some people coming up to me spamming 2345 on staff and then proceeding to AA in scepter, I may have exaggerated a bit . Engis on the other hand have gone out of control when it comes to condispam.

As someone who runs a diamond skin ele, I agree with most people in the terms of that it should be changed because of the passive gameplay. The boon converter idea above looks really nice, but until the mindless 12345 condibunker necros and engis get a nerf, this trait should stay as it is. Once the other 2 get shaved down, they are free to change the trait in whatever way anet feels like.

They should bring Capricorn to SoloQ but drain all the water out of that map, replace skyhammer with that.

While i’m only rank 24, I get this thread.
TO THE OP: GG WP

Burst guardian and condibunker engi are our direct counters, give them a try

ShadowNinja.1238:

Rename the video to Thief Shortbow, Bad Enemies & Trash Talking!

You used S/D like 20% of the fight. You just spammed 1 and 3 on Shortbow and called the engineer bad after you stomped him. You can’t call someone bad if you killed them by spamming 1. Show some duels against non-brain dead people and try actually use the weapon 90% of the time that you stated in the title.

Btw showing your name and saying that you have bolt and incinerator in the title tells us you’re attempting to show off, but you’re failing because you trash talk and you post videos vs noobs, and all you do is spam 1 and 3 on Shortbow.

/rant

lol the people talking about ‘low level gameplay’ better don’t lose should they duel him, otherwise it’s pretty pathetic for them.
Nice video btw, I liked it. Working on incinerator myself and after that maybe i’ll start working on aether.

Nausicca.6038:

azizul.8469:

Genuinely just a curious question here. I see a lot of these predictions having CD beating NSP in later rounds: (CD v NSP v SoR). Being on NSP, I’ve noticed us coming out ahead of CD in these last 2 match ups and feel that we could beat them without the massive force of HoD skewing both of our tactics.

Is there something I don’t know about CD or my server?

we are under the impression that NSP beating CD now only because HoD allow them to, and most ex-CD guild focusing on CD at the moment. that’s all….

I think CD and NSP are just tied to each other in terms of coverage, tactics, … . We’ll have to see how the rest of the fights against each other will turn out. NSP might win this week, but 2 weeks after that, you might beat us. I’m more curious on how this weeks matchup will turn out, I’d say the fight for no2 isn’t over yet considering how we won at the last moment from IoJ last season.

Mythoryk.7984:

bhagwad.4281:

Mythoryk.7984:

It’s a waste of time.

Every MMO is a waste of time. What do you expect? Productivity?

Mythoryk.7984:

Again, it ALWAYS comes down to Build Wars. Not skill.

There is literally no experienced PvP player who will agree with this.

There is literally no experienced PvP player who will agree 1v1 dueling is a form of PvP. Sorry.

So that’s why guilds like FC and such have dueling servers set up…

Straegen.2938:

azerte.4365:

I think NSP is in a much better spot now than on the moment before season 1 in terms of population, active people in WvW

As of right now DB (or FA) and IoJ are likely the only servers significantly stronger than the other Silver league servers. Aside from the top two spots in Silver, every other server in Silver is in a toss up do to a mass migration. I don’t think the NS players know just how bad of shape T4 is right now. I will not be surprised to see a current T5 server finish 3rd in Silver.

Some of us know, but yeah most are probably clueless. I am confident we might/can push deeper into silver league if we can keep up the state we’re currently in.

I think NSP is in a much better spot now than on the moment before season 1 in terms of population, active people in WvW, … . Yes we got stomped in Season 1, but you can’t compare because it’s a totally different situation, last season Kaineng almost rivaled for the last spot into silver and look at were they’re now. SoR was once a T1 server, right now they’re plummeting down the ranks, Blackgate now has to make room for JQ as the strongest WvW server. My point is that you can’t compare the servers from 6 months ago with how they are now. We’ll have to see how it all turns out, if we get steamrolled for 9 weeks than so be it, least we can do is make the best out of it and show them NSP won’t go down without a fight

LordByron.8369:

Exactly
PvE thief takes way more skill than WWW thief.

Skill floor is not everything….since thief has also a decent skill ceiling it can do absurdly OP things with some skill but in WWW even ithout any is extremely effective.

PvE mechanics makes both stealth and mobility irrelevant taking away the “easy mode”.

Thief skill floor in PvE: drop black powder and use sword no 1 and 3 to cleave, repeat after 4 seconds. There you have it the skill floor for thieves in PvE

LordByron.8369:

And FYI thieves are being pushed into meta by fractal Patches since long time ago…(and Always were good for dungeons)
Issue is differently from WWW it takes skill to play effectively a thief in istances..

So low skill floor of WWW just made the community sceptic on accepting PvE thieves that have an high skill floor.

So PvE takes skill and WvW doesn’t 0.o

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

zapv.8051:

LOL almost every class can 2 shot a zerker thief. It is pretty easy, when they get low on health and try to stealth interrupt them. If they have blinding powder they will use that on the interrupt. Then you just need to do the same thing again. That or spam aoe. Every class has decent ways to deal with a thief. It’s about using them intelligently. Having said that a really strong thief is hard to kill especially in wvw, but so is almost every other class with a good player.

No they arn’t

Thief in Wvw:
Evade, Evade, Dodge,Dodge, Stealth, regen, Evade, Evade, hit for 4k, evade, stealth, hit for 4 k evade, evade, stun, stealth hit for 8k.. rinse and repeat..

other professions,,*Miss,Miss,Doesn’t cast, No target, Miss, Miss, I’m Stunned & got hit for 4k, Miss, Miss, No target, Evaded, Evaded, Miss, No target, hit for 8K.. rinse and repeat..

Standard operation for me when im on thief and basicly all i do is watch my Ini-Bar.

If that is how you see thieves then I have serious doubts about the fact that you are indeed playing one. If they had access to all these things then they would indeed be OP, the problem is they can’t. Fully speccing in evades and stealth forces them to sacrifice their damage, fully speccing in dodges and damage gives them no beneficial effects in stealth and fully speccing in stealth and damage gives them the same amount of endurance like all other classes. Given that most thieves only run 1 stun break (Shadowstep), a well placed CC after that gives you a rooted thief that is just sitting there and eating your damage.

bad idea probably cause mesmers

Karolis.4261:

azerte.4365:

I thought we passed the whole discussion on D/D and D/P, guess I was wrong…

Actually D/P has situations where its better then D/D and D/D has situations where its better then D/P. As for example D/D will perform better when there is lots of targets, but that usually happens when fighting people with lower level of skill that aren’t aware how stuff works, so D/D is superior in those situations. We (X/D thieves) have a bug in our kitten about D/P because set on itself is direct counter to x/D set because of so much blinds simply shut down our own ability to stealth while D/P can ignore blinds and stealth all he wants. Same skill level D/P player will always defeat D/D. Also gotta mention that D/P has double Shadows embrace and shadow rejuvenation ticks every 3 s for every leap through smoke field u did and that I consider a bug.

I know Karolis, I never said one is better than the other, both have a place next to each other. I run both D/P and D/D depended on what build I feel like running. It just surprises me that not everyone gets to that conclusion :p

I thought we passed the whole discussion on D/D and D/P, guess I was wrong…

I actually almost never run TG, mostly because BV is so good with lyssa runes and Daggerstorm is king in taking supply camps. This might be a big mistake on my side. The big CD is what turns me away especially against AoE heavy classes who can quickly take them down.

I would love if they brought more ‘elite’ solo/dungeon content. For example something like the Mad Kings Clock tower with a boss like Liadri at the end and when you die you need to start all over again. (maybe not that extreme but still i’d love if it was that hard) Add some very good rewards at the end and this will force people to play more active instead of spamming 111111111.
Tequatl and The Wurm already do a pretty good job at this, although people still don’t care all that much about dying since the zerg will get them back up in a few seconds.
Make it small scale and players will learn to rely on their own more.

RoyalPredator.9163:

I would like to see this dirty class nerfed heavy in the future.
Not in PvE. In WvW! The overal design is just as terribly OP as Warrior and Ele.

Ele OP!? 0.o

oZii.2864:

pmnt.4067:

azerte.4365:

Well guess what they’re here and thieves aren’t the only one who have access to them, even eles can deal 12k dmg. So i’d say learn to live with them.

I knew it was too subtle, but I mentioned thief, warrior and ele in my post, but that’s not even the point. The point is, that one-shots – regardless of class – are not a “deal with it” issue, but an alarm sign of broken balance.

And sorry, I can’t take anyone who defends one-shot mechanics seriously in a balance discussion.

If you built to 1 shot then you probably can also get 1 shot. You can’t really one shot anyone unless they went glassy which I am sure they factored in their decision to go glassy. When bunker soldier builds are getting one shotted then we have a problem.

It wasn’t too subtle, just rephrased what you said And as the person above me said it’s a choice you make GC is pretty good balanced I think in this game it’s either kill or be killed. I have yet too see a bunker warrior get oneshot unless they’re braindead and don’t know how to evade/block the initial burst.

pmnt.4067:

azerte.4365:

If you play an ele with 12k and get backstabbed for 13k damage then you are GC, in which case you have 0 right to complain about getting oneshot.

This is where you are wrong. No class in any build should be able to one-shot another class with any build. It doesn’t matter if the one shot is on a single stealth ability, on a F1 with 9s cooldown or a perfectly executed 10 skill rotation which uses all utilities and has a cooldown of 40s.

One-shots should not happen. ever.

Well guess what they’re here and thieves aren’t the only one who have access to them, even eles can deal 12k dmg. So i’d say learn to live with them.

Fortus.6175:

DanSH.6143:

Your problem is that “thief is your only class since beta”.
You don’t know how it’s like for the receiving side.

+1

Most hard-core thief defenders usually have been playing the class since the beginning, most of them suck BIG TIME on them, and they think that the class is ok but they do subpar, or worse; they do decent, which given the easy skill floor on the class and how it is really hard to do bad on them, they think of themselves as decent players and think of the class as decent since thats all they can get out of it.

For all those thieves that keep defending the class so much I advice you to roll a 12k hp ele and take it anywhere in the world and wait for a thief to hit you with a 13k backstab and tell me that the class is ok, or have a thief jump on you 5 times with steal/shadowstep and 3 other teleports from either pistol or the sword in any of their cheese specc and try to shake off said thief, and to actually kill the thief. If they can bring proves of this vs good thief players then they can claim w/e they want.

Until then, I will keep believing my eyes because thieves is all I see in tPvP, they are the apex predator of GC, the untouchables, the ones driving away mesmers and elementalist GC since they stick like glue and can be devastating agaisnt anyone 1v1 if played decently at least.

I main a thief and have been since beta. That doesn’t mean that I don’t know how other classes work. Yes I have a lvl 80 elementalist and yes i’ve taking it into WvW roaming and killed thieves with it. If you play an ele with 12k and get backstabbed for 13k damage then you are GC, in which case you have 0 right to complain about getting oneshot.

I do agree with you that thief is somewhat a hard counter to eles, I’ve instakilled them before. But then again condibunker engi is a hard counter to thieves and in turn necros are a hard counter to condibunker engis. Every class has his counters/free kills.

Shadow Arts trait XI gives us health regen in stealth, that’s why he keeps healing while he’s in stealth. The healing itself is not that much (lower than Warrior healing signet) but in combination with other skills can be used to gain a lot of health back.

Israel.7056:

Logi called it a “5v5 GvG” in his challenge. This would suggest a challenge to the entire guild, not just the four members in the video. Hiba, Caed, Zombify and Tany were a part of RIOT long before this ever happened. They have just as much a right to participate as anyone else in RIOT.

We will use whomever we want. Deal with it.

Fine should you not join then don’t start calling tM names about the video if they lose in the GvG (not saying you will, but just in case)

docMed.7692:

“Either way I personally don’t care where we 5v5” – it’s like you didn’t even read my post; my point was that this method is non-ideal and much more difficult to recreate. Since simply getting your members to logon is an issue, it seems more logical to take the least path of resistance (i.e. an empty custom arena).

Regarding the prior encounters, I barely even roam anymore nor was I even involved; I could personally careless what transpired between x members vs y members. I would however enjoy some 5v5’s.

Regarding WvW vs sPvP stats… You’re not really trying to argue that WvW is a more balanced place to combat, are you?

Regarding ‘high ranked tpvp players’ – we’ve had some ‘high-level tpvper’s, join us and roam/tpvp with us us long before any of this transpired.

Overall I find it funny that you guys as a whole want attention for being ‘good roamers’, yet when it comes to saying ‘ok let’s scrim’, the first thing you scream out is for us to bring a poor comp with a group of people that just happened to be roaming when you guys came across and wiped them. Either you guys want to 5v5 us or not; it’s as simple as that. Crying over ‘which RIOT members’ show is hillarious. Is that what you do when you roam? ‘Whoa, whoa, only RIOT members 1, 3, and 5 can engage; 2, 4, 6 have to wait over there. ’ Either you think you can win or you don’t; which is it?

• Edit ** – shoot us a time in-game for this weekend, most of us are PST NA.

The point is that there needs to be a 4v4 with the same guys from the video in WvW, so it’s finally settled who’s right in this discussion since it started with both members from the video calling each other names. All the other 5v5’s can be WvW or sPvP, with anyone RIOT or tM likes to bring along, high-level tPvPer’s or not. tM doesn’t need to say who you bring to the other 5v5’s, that’s up to you guys.
Like I said just do one with the same people from the video, all the rest i don’t care about how/who/where.

Doesn’t matter, If RIOT turns down tM wins this discussion and vice versa. It all depends on what both sides say now about having a proper rematch. Both teams have a chance of proving their right and I hope both take on the challenge.

Well i’d like to see the video where the glass thief get’s blown up by 5 people then.

Like Sanny and Logi said, just do a 4v4, with the same people as in the video. No pugs, bosses, other people from tM and RIOT, … .
Fight it out in the battlefield instead of the forums. Both sides are complaining about one another without getting anywhere.
And to avoid any future complaining both sides record the battle so there are no excuses to be made.
(Ps: Caed, i hope that’s sarcasm)

saddest thread in a long time

Fine nerf stealth but then give us S/D and S/P back and make P/P finally have some use.

Renny.6571:

Boop.

That guild name…

Is this US only or for every player? Would love a christmas card from Anet

dreztina.4820:

Thieves are a broken class. It doesn’t matter if you outplay them because they have infinite do-overs. Between their unlimited mobility, spam blind, and going into stealth every 4 seconds, it is impossible to actually down them unless they are massively bad.

It has nothing to do with build or play, it’s that their class mechanics are better than your class mechanics. The best you can do vs. an even moderately competent thief is a stalemate because no matter how many times you get them low, they’ll stealth back to full over and over and over.

lol

I don’t think i’ll touch this healing skill, even if the healing would be massive, the chance that it will get blocked, blinded, evaded, … is too big for it to be viable.

Commander Bird Song from NSP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhlPnyAqtXY

0. I don’t know if 0/0/30/20/20 is a very good build, I may be wrong of course. If u go D/D, the standard x/30/30/x/x cookie cutter build is still the best. But if your build suits you, stick with it then.

1. Heal: Withdraw or HiS, Utility: Assasin’s signet, Shadowstep and Shadow Refuge, Elite: Doesn’t matter all are good

2. S/P doesn’t go all that well with your build since you don’t have any points in Deadly Arts and Critical Strikes so the damage is not that great. You can however try to use #5 and #4 for damage mitigation and CC.

3. Runes: I have Traveler runes, which let’s me swap my Assassin’s signet out for another utility skill such as Infiltrator’s signet or Blinding Powder

4. If u want to go conditions P/D is a much better weapon choice. There are enough builds on the forums for condi thief.

5. Use your steal if u need to close the gap between you and the target.

6. Don’t refuge in the middle of the fight to revive since it’s an indicator where enemies need to drop their AoE. Most people will run to the back of the group if they are about to die, use it there to safely revive them

7. Since you aren’t using D/P, you can’t be a perma-stealth thief

8. Thiefs are one of the most useless classes when it comes to zerging. The #2 on SB is very good for blast finishers. Thiefs are good at picking of overextended targets swell, but other than that not that much you can do really

9. Depends on what the other thief is running in terms of utility, weapons, … and what you’re running. Some thieves are simply impossible to catch up to, that’s how it goes.
If u want good mobility use Heartseeker, Infiltrator’s Signet and Shadowstep to quickly close the gap

10. Best option to do is use your SB and stand on the wall rather then going down to the enemies, since you can get overrun quite easily

Hope that helped and look forward to maybe see you in WvW one day

S/P is a beast in sPVP/tPvP, use that if u don’t want stealth, as simple as that. I can easily take on 2 enemies by completely shutting them down via stuns/daze without even having to pick up stealth skills to survive.

Malediktus.9250:

Frostfang.5109:

750G or 2000…. That would be way too expensive! I play quite alot (8000+influence) and I have owned 150g at the same Point as most (Resources not counted)…

You must be doing something wrong, I make 150g a week without specifically farming or playing on trading post. Even WvW players can make 30 gold a day. Point is, in a game about cosmetic progression there need to be super prestige cosmetics. Stuff which I can earn in a day or two of farming has no prestige for me.

Plz tell me your secret

Furiousbeard.7602:

azerte.4365:

Furiousbeard.7602:

It’s not working, but keep trying

I’m sure if you get enough of your guild posting on here, it will really do the trick and make all the trolls look bad

I don’t see why we would need to bring in trolls to insult you? looking at your previous posts, I think you’re already doing a good job of it yourself. Keep it up maybe one day you’ll start to understand.

Cheers!

Let’s toast to “maybe one day”

Cheers!

On the fight that may come and the loot bag that comes with it!

Furiousbeard.7602:

It’s not working, but keep trying

I’m sure if you get enough of your guild posting on here, it will really do the trick and make all the trolls look bad

I don’t see why we would need to bring in trolls to insult you? looking at your previous posts, I think you’re already doing a good job of it yourself. Keep it up maybe one day you’ll start to understand.

It is possible to move the Oak towards the supply camp close to it and have it take out the NPCs, saw it happen before.

insanemaniac.2456:

anyone see devon yet?
just wonderin

oh oh i know, 3g bounty for a screenshot proof that hes on nsp
but i kinda doubt he would be on his anet account =/

We saw an anet dev on NSP in EB yesterday, not sure if it was devon though

Looking at http://mos.millenium.org/na it seems that NSP is (predicted) to drop to 17th place if they keep this up. I’m curious on how this will turn out, it all depends on what kaineng and NSP do this week.

I hope we stay in bronze league, I don’t feel like getting steamrolled for weeks just to ‘punish’ Devon. No need to kill a server just to make a statement.

While I would like to see my beloved server go to silver league instead of bronze, I don’t feel like being steamrolled every week by a 2 bigger servers. I’d prefer trying to be the first one in Bronze League than the last one in Silver League

Rob.7624:

This thread is far too boring.
So you know what time it is.

Its time for Bird Songs Spoils of WAR!
Big thanks to the crew which showed up last night.
Peaks Peaks Peaks Peaks Peaks Peaks Peaks Peaks Peaks Peaks Peaks Peaks!

W00H. Oh Yeh!

• #BirdSongOPpl0xNerf

This ought to get some hate flowing. All taken this morning while you slept.
Try and spike me if you can.
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE top lel.

Had so much fun then, all the lootzzzz….

SB is better since it’s viable for every build, P/P requires a lot of traits to make it actually better then SB, that’s why